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    Post  Regular Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:30 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    rigoletto wrote:Kremlin: Russian Delegation Arrives in Belarus For Talks With Ukrainians, Ready To Start in Gomel

    https://sputniknews.com/20220227/kremlin-russian-delegation-arrives-in-belarus-for-talks-with-ukrainians-ready-to-start-in-gomel-1093413983.html

    There you go , putin again with another stupid cease of fire..  The Russian military should remove him in a coup,for being a major threat to the lives of russian military.

    No ceasefire this time. Also, no meeting will take place.

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    Post  Vann7 Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:35 am

    Regular wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    A single blunder from one BTG in one sector of one front can be replayed a thousand times from 10+ different cameras and released over the course of a week. This is the nature of information warfare.  

    I don't think that blunders happen on such scale, mostly at company level.

    This morning we are discussing Tigr thrust towards city. Ukrainians released this video just now. It's basically live feed.

    https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1497843560581902338

    this is what piss me more , about russian military..

    doing the same mistakes again and again , they should have close air support always with their military , i can't believe they can do close air support to a city right next to russian borders..
    what a bunch of idiots. There should be attack drones 24 hours providing support to the russian
    army . this video alone is enough evidence how mediocre russia military is running the entire operation.. losing jeeps is normal.. but allowing ukrainians to freely go to the outside with no fear from drones attacking them..

    even azerbaijan did better in close air support.. they have all the time loitering munition drones flying
    over cities ,forcing people to go in the hide. No  This is so sad..  if at least a failure of russian army in ukraine helps  to remove putin from presidency , then it will be worth of it... and a new leader with balls and that is not so silly take his place.

    imagine if ukraine had the same level of drones support that azerbaijan had..  israel can send hundreds of kamikazi drones and make a field day with the russian army convoys. this is embarrassing that russian army is not being supported by airspace right next to russian borders or that their trucks constantly are out of fuel.. This is clear poor management of the general staff ,in the case of out of fuel , issues. can't be excuses for that .. if a vehicle have little fuel and have no way to supply more ,should better return to base.



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    Post  par far Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:36 am

    Lurk83 wrote:Europe have frozen 20-40% of Russias foreign reserves. Japan may follow.


    Why would Russia place its foreign reserves in Western banks?

    It looks like the trolls are in full force.

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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:37 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Lurk83 wrote:Europe have frozen 20-40% of Russias foreign reserves. Japan may follow.
    Did Kremlin chessmaster see this beforehand? No?

    Typical dickhead that sees only money in life. Wake up at 80 and regret all its life.

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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:38 am

    They have most a lot it seems. Propaganda doesn't fight wars.


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    Post  Vann7 Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:48 am

    auslander wrote:
    mr_hd wrote:Well for Ukraine this is now total war and they will fight like hell. People here forget that Ukraine is in conflict for 8 years already, that Crimea was taken away by super fast Russian cover operation, that rebels in Donbas survived only because Russia had to step in...

    Your ignorance is astounding. We, the citizens of the Federal City of Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republik of Krimea, handed both entities on a silver platter to Russia in '14. What would your brave ass have done when presented with this as Maidan Square in Kiev was still smoldering?

    "Interview was on Channel 5 in Kiev, 09:00, owned by Petro Poroshenko, the main victor of Maidan and shortly thereafter the President of Ukraine. The two tactical commanders of the Maidan debacle, Oleg Tyagnibok, a sitting member of the Ukraine Parliament, aka Rada, and the leader of Svoboda Party, and Dmitro Yarosh, the leader of Right Sector, did the interview. Both Svoboda Party and Right Sector were and are avowedly Nazi parties. They have both cleaned their web sites but they were too late, 'we' got it all.

    In this interview Tyagnibok said, and I quote: 'We will bring our 5,000 fighters to Krimea and teach you how to be proper Ukrainians.'

    Yarosh said, and I quote: 'We will come together and make your streets run red with blood. We will put every Moskal (Russian) to the knife and swim in your blood.'"

    Screw dat! You want to harm my wife and my children? Over my dead body and I have not forgotten how to use Comrade Kalashnikov's Ode to World Piece.


    only stupid people with zero intelligence , will complain about russia defending their naval bases in crimea and protecting civilians there , majority ethnic russian from the bombings of nato army.
    they burned alive up to 100 russians in odessa. including pregnant womens.. none one here will think the same way if their families had to endure for 8years bombings by a criminal government.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:13 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Navalny must be secretly happy that the Kremlin chessmaster started this war.

    He knows that Russia will not win this. Even with military "victory" Russia will never be able to govern these people. They hate Russia and will start insurgency with the Western help.

    By the looks of it thousands of Russians have already been killed or captured in Ukraine. And this after a four days of war. Russia cannot sustain these losses that long.

    The Kremlin chessmaster's imbecilic idea of invading Ukraine while trying to avoid enemy casualties has resulted casualties for Russians themselves.

    If and when Russia's military operation will not meet its objectives in Ukraine the Kremlin chessmaster has to answer some very tough question from his population. What for were all those Russian men (and kids!) slaughtered in Ukraine? Was it worth of total isolation of Russia from the Western world. Yes, you can point to Western hypocrisy and their own genocidal wars. But Russia is not the West. Russia is not in a position to destroy countries with inpunity. Russia must act within its own limits and boundaries.

    If and likely when Putin is overthrown who is going to lead Russia after? Navalny? Unless Putin has him assassinated in prison before he is overthrown himself.

    What a little weasel sitting  and hiding in his private bunker. He looks pathetic when compared to Poroshenko and Zelensky who are giving motivational speeches and speaking to their troops.

    Putin, **** you!

    Not thousands. Killed maybe up to 200 so far. Wounded probably a lot more

    Captured - maybe 10 or so.

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    Post  par far Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:15 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    As expected Russia is getting truckload of sanctions

    Not just big ones remaining like SWIFT but things like import of PC processors, getting kicked out of sport competitions, intercepting cargo vessels, etc...

    And it won't stop there, I know because I have seen it first hand for myself 30 years ago

    Next up is travel bans, tourism sanctions, consumer goods, electronic hardware and software, entertainment products (movies, TV shows, videogames), internet access, the list goes on

    This will all be felt in everyday life by average voter and those who are making decisions had to have known about this and they still went through with it

    This means that they either though that this would be worth it and/or is necessary or (and I shudder to think this) that they completely underestimated/ignored it

    Unlike Breznev's USSR today's Russia and it's military are not ran by geriatric club, decisions go through a lot of people before they are implemented and it's crazy that this was what they settled on after they crunched the numbers

    I really hope that it's not the worst case scenario (in which they completely slacked off and underestimated the ramifications) and that there is a really good reason for going full heavy metal

    Because having so many people making mistake that huge simply doesn't look realistic since it's a very straightforward situation in terms of political and economic consequences

    There had to be some logic behind it but what?

    This is why I am so completely confused about this whole thing





    PapaDragon,  I think everybody knew about the sanctions. The sanctions were coming no matter what.

    The big thing about sanctions is that they have applied their sanctions but Russia has not responded yet.

    I am very confused about the logic as well.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:15 am

    EkErilaz wrote:One of the Russian OSINT channels on telegram are showing a bunch of videos from within Europe where Ukrainians armed with tire irons confront Russian civilian truckers. There is also claims of vandalised trucks, and even beatings.

    except for what is in the videos (harassment) the rest is not confirmed.

    With the amount of propaganda right now I'm not surprised if this will turn very dark.

    Well that goes to show you the nature of the regime

    What do Russian civilian truckers have to do with anything? They are probably as against this war as anyone else

    Yet Ukrainians are bred with ultra-nationalism against them

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    Post  par far Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:17 am

    There is a lot of nonsense here that is not based on what is happening on the ground.

    Hopefully the mods clean it up.

    Also Twitter is not the most reliable source, I posted pro Russian posts and it got deleted.

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    Post  Serberus Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:22 am

    UK and US politicians threatening Putin and Russian military leaders with the “international” war crimes tribunal has got to be the most idiotic hypocritical ironic nonesense I have yet heard from the Anglo Fascist lunatics.


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    Post  Yugo90 Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:22 am

    Russians must start showing their teeth or i'm affraid they will count casualties in thousands. They should start hiting hard with everything they got. Civilians had enough time to run away. So they should starrt using their mlrs.

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    Post  par far Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:24 am

    [quote="Serberus"]UK and US politicians threatening Putin and Russian military leaders with the “international” war crimes tribunal has got to be the most idiotic hypocritical ironic nonesense I have yet heard from the Anglo Fascist lunatics.[/quote

    Source?
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    Post  billybatts91 Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:27 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:Navalny must be secretly happy that the Kremlin chessmaster started this war.

    He knows that Russia will not win this. Even with military "victory" Russia will never be able to govern these people. They hate Russia and will start insurgency with the Western help.

    By the looks of it thousands of Russians have already been killed or captured in Ukraine. And this after a four days of war. Russia cannot sustain these losses that long.

    The Kremlin chessmaster's imbecilic idea of invading Ukraine while trying to avoid enemy casualties has resulted casualties for Russians themselves.

    If and when Russia's military operation will not meet its objectives in Ukraine the Kremlin chessmaster has to answer some very tough question from his population. What for were all those Russian men (and kids!) slaughtered in Ukraine? Was it worth of total isolation of Russia from the Western world. Yes, you can point to Western hypocrisy and their own genocidal wars. But Russia is not the West. Russia is not in a position to destroy countries with inpunity. Russia must act within its own limits and boundaries.

    If and likely when Putin is overthrown who is going to lead Russia after? Navalny? Unless Putin has him assassinated in prison before he is overthrown himself.

    What a little weasel sitting  and hiding in his private bunker. He looks pathetic when compared to Poroshenko and Zelensky who are giving motivational speeches and speaking to their troops.

    Putin, **** you!

    You are one delusional shithead, aren't you?

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    Post  Serberus Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:28 am

    twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1497776719855591431?s=20&t=aYEk-wFAS7q5BiUpKt60yg
    Also parroted by british foreign secretery
    However, Mr Putin “should be aware the International Criminal Court is already looking at what is happening in Ukraine and there will be serious consequences for him personally”, she said.
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    Post  par far Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:29 am

    Yugo90 wrote:Russians must start showing their teeth or i'm affraid they will count casualties in thousands. They should start hiting hard with everything they got. Civilians had enough time to run away. So they should starrt using their mlrs.


    This I agree with.

    The sanctions has been placed, the west is trying to get weapons into Ukraine and that may be a big problem.

    If you have started this, finish it quickly.

    40,000-50,000 troops may not enough(the US used 300,000 troops in Iraq in 2004 and Iraq is half the size of Ukraine and the US leveled everything to the ground.) Send in more troops and finish the job.

    They may be limited to what they use but finish it quickly.

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    Post  par far Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:31 am

    Serberus wrote:twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1497776719855591431?s=20&t=aYEk-wFAS7q5BiUpKt60yg
    Also parroted by british foreign secretery
    However, Mr Putin “should be aware the International Criminal Court is already looking at what is happening in Ukraine and there will be serious consequences for him personally”, she said.
    News.com.au

    Thanks for the link.

    If the world starts digging up their crimes, it will take a long time because they have committed so many crimes.
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    Post  Ispan Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:32 am

    Latest daily war report.


    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/02/27/parte-de-guerra-27-02-2022-1200-horas/
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:47 am

    After the war ends, is the guerilla movement going to be huge?

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    Post  franco Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:47 am

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    2/2 Russia has assembled some 200,000 forces in the vicinity of Ukraine, 70,000 of whom have as of this date actually entered Ukraine. Normal attacker-defender ratios call for a 3:1 advantage for the attacker. Russia is attacking with a 1:7 disadvantage.
    And they are winning.

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    Post  Guest Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:49 am

    Seems around Kherson TB2s are active and doing way too much damage...
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    Post  teh_beard Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:52 am

    Guys, guys, I just felt the Weight of the Sanctions on myself.
    Tried to swipe a pay through Google Pay as per usual, and the transaction was denied! It was horrible!

    ..so I just switched to an app with our national system of bank transactions - SBP and was on my way.

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    Post  Ispan Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:54 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:After the war ends, is the guerilla movement going to be huge?

    No, and I explain why here in some detail, your browser should be able to translate, if not, use google or yandex

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/02/23/guerra-de-guerrillas-en-ucrania-es-posible/
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:55 am

    Ukraine this is desperate and embarrassing. Zelensky would save face sitting down and get an agreement in place.far better that than lambs to the slaughter.

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    Post  EkErilaz Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:57 am

    Vann7 wrote:

    this is what piss me more , about russian military..

    doing the same mistakes again and again , they should have close air support always with their military , i can't believe they can do close air support to a city right next to russian borders..
    what a bunch of idiots. There should be attack drones 24 hours providing support to the russian
    army . this video alone is enough evidence how mediocre russia military is running the entire operation.. losing jeeps is normal.. but allowing ukrainians to freely go to the outside with no fear from drones attacking them..

    even azerbaijan did better in close air support.. they have all the time loitering munition drones flying
    over cities ,forcing people to go in the hide. No  This is so sad..  if at least a failure of russian army in ukraine helps  to remove putin from presidency , then it will be worth of it... and a new leader with balls and that is not so silly take his place.

    imagine if ukraine had the same level of drones support that azerbaijan had..  israel can send hundreds of kamikazi drones and make a field day with the russian army convoys. this is embarrassing that russian army is not being supported by airspace right next to russian borders or that their trucks constantly are out of fuel..  This is clear poor management of the general staff ,in the case of out of fuel , issues.  can't be excuses for that .. if a vehicle have little fuel  and have no way to supply more ,should better return to base.


    This is not some low intensity conflict COIN op in Afghanistan or Syria, this is more similar to bagration 1944.
    Even for NATO in afghanistan having 24/7 ISR and on call CAS took a hell of a lot of planning and administration, even to coordinate a small op say company level could take days so that all the scheduling, comms handover protocols etc worked. And even with all this planning there was almost always minor to major ****-ups leaving troops on the ground blind and without cover for some time. That is why current CAS protocols in NATO will be fucked in a major peer-peer conflict. It takes to much time to work it all out to be effective. They will have to revert back to something similar to what Russia is doing now. More relaxed protocols, less dependency on the man on the ground, but higher risk of blue on blue. Remember we maybe see 5% of the conflict in pictures and videos, and 95% of the videos we see are filmed and screened by the enemy. For all we know, the Russians could right now have some of the best not recorded CAS operation in history going. From the vast number of dead columns of ukrainian tanks, logistics, artillery and C3. the sturmoviks are doing exactly what they are supposed to do, BAI in rear areas that the drones find.

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