Russia Defence Forum

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Military Forum for Russian and Global Defence Issues


+79
mnrck
GunshipDemocracy
OminousSpudd
psg
Odin of Ossetia
ucmvulcan
Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E
Mir
teh_beard
jhelb
RTN
Maximmmm
LMFS
Azi
Rodion_Romanovic
higurashihougi
hoom
Rasisuki Nebia
zepia
Ispan
GarryB
Hannibal Barca
lancelot
x_54_u43
zorobabel
mnztr
Lurk83
thegopnik
PapaDragon
limb
Ghoster
Big_Gazza
Krepost
Finty
Autodestruct
PhSt
andalusia
Singular_Transform
Werewolf
Airbornewolf
Urluber
mack8
d_taddei2
miketheterrible
billybatts91
Broski
Firebird
Regular
bitcointrader70
nomadski
JohninMK
Walther von Oldenburg
Kriva
par far
VARGR198
auslander
Atmosphere
Vann7
Hole
rigoletto
franco
SeigSoloyvov
flamming_python
owais.usmani
Backman
EkErilaz
caveat emptor
kvs
George1
Sujoy
Arkanghelsk
Isos
The Ottoman
ATLASCUB
lyle6
Karl Haushofer
ALAMO
Cheetah
magnumcromagnon
83 posters

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    LMFS
    LMFS


    Posts : 4491
    Points : 4491
    Join date : 2018-03-03

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:22 am

    PapaDragon wrote:What happened? What do they know that we don't? What's the long term plan?

    What kicked this off? Because the Ukraine is not exactly new topic but so far they were completely restrained diplomatically and militarily and yet the whole thing went tits up all of a sudden

    Any ideas? Seriously asking here

    It has been in the making for some time now, Russia and China have been getting increasingly assertive as of late (the explanation is very long) and the ultimatum was thrown just few weeks ago. The US just picked up that and gave their best answer, they used the occasion to finally dump Ukraine on Russia and finally grab Western Europe by the balls, well done to them but Russia had no good options, because provocations can be raised by US as high as they wanted, so Russia just could decide when and how to bait, but not to ignore them forever. They calculated now was the right time and they had time to do the right calculation, so let's see what comes out of their decision.


    Last edited by LMFS on Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:26 am; edited 1 time in total

    Big_Gazza, kvs, lancelot, Broski and Arkanghelsk like this post

    miketheterrible
    miketheterrible


    Posts : 7403
    Points : 7377
    Join date : 2016-11-06

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  miketheterrible Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:22 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Belgrade tonight. Where is PapaDragon?
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Fmjhr110

    Yeah, I'm here

    Apparently El Presidente managed to put together a statement that made both Russia and USA not only happy but are also giving us attaboys

    Fu*k if I know how they managed to do it (seems they are capable of pulling that off but giving teachers a pay raise is a tall order)

    I guess we skipped getting our balls stomped on for a while





    miketheterrible wrote:
    Orlan wrote:.....Not very much tbh. Again, what war is popular.

    You know **** all, it's at 70%...

    You have any sources on that?

    I didn't run into any polls (been avoiding news honestly, kinda stressful events)




    What really eats me is being curious about what exactly motivated Russia to go full Rolling Thunder on international relations by starting this because they torched a lot of bridges here for decades to come and apparently entire government and political spectrum seems to be okay with it

    What happened? What do they know that we don't? What's the long term plan?

    What kicked this off? Because the Ukraine is not exactly new topic but so far they were completely restrained diplomatically and militarily and yet the whole thing went tits up all of a sudden

    Any ideas? Seriously asking here








    As I said earlier, one if the two Alex's on the Duran mentioned it. Said it was fore9gn backed poll and 5% were against. I believe he mentions it in third update. Too lazy to go back. I believe it was levada
    PhSt
    PhSt


    Posts : 648
    Points : 654
    Join date : 2019-04-02

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  PhSt Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:27 am

    Khuyiv would be a nice place to test this weapon now..




    Arkanghelsk and Urluber like this post

    flamming_python
    flamming_python


    Posts : 6731
    Points : 6809
    Join date : 2012-01-30

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  flamming_python Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:32 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Orlan wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:How popular is this war in Russia?

    Not very much tbh. Again, what war is popular.

    You know **** all, it's at 70%

    BTW, internet is still operational in Ukraine.  This is a way for Musk to rip Ukrainians off

    Was there poll for war? I thought 70% is current Putin's approval. I know Russians who oppose Putin, but support war and other way around? Russians unlike Americans, never supported interventions, but like blogger Anatoly Karlin said, no matter current sentiment, ALL people will love short and victorious war.

    Putins approval is at 66 or so %. The conflict is at 70%.  5% are against it.

    Alex the Greek on YouTube was talking about it. I think 3rd update video. Too lazy to go through it again.

    A plurality of Russians were for the LNR/DNR recognition according to one poll. A slim plurality - like 45 to 40. Another poll put the amount of Russians supporting that at a much higher level.

    How many Russians do you think are for all this shit going on?

    Putin is going to have to pull a bunny rabbit out the hat. Don't see how, but we'll see what happens.

    Big_Gazza dislikes this post

    avatar
    Guest
    Guest


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  Guest Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:32 am

    And there goes 50% of Central bank assets that are in Euro and USD.
    kvs
    kvs


    Posts : 12880
    Points : 13027
    Join date : 2014-09-11
    Location : Kanada

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  kvs Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:34 am

    So according to Alex Christoforou (video linked by par far) who cites the US estimate, Russia is running this operation with less than
    50,000 men. That is surprisingly low. People cannot expect this number of soldiers to take over a country the size of Ukraine at a pace
    they want. The number of troops implies to me that Russia is expecting lots of local support. And we do have evidence that locals
    are feeding intel to the Russian forces. Of course, there are civilians who are not happy with the invasion.

    Big_Gazza, miketheterrible, LMFS, Hole, Broski and Arkanghelsk like this post

    avatar
    Urluber


    Posts : 163
    Points : 165
    Join date : 2022-01-05

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  Urluber Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:34 am

    PhSt wrote:Khuyiv would be a nice place to test this weapon now..


    S2FGA3Z-oYM



    Drop it on the local mini-reichstag.

    On the other hand, looks like they are doing just fine without. This is the sky over Kiev tonight. The Kiev leaders will be forced from their holes

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 FMj07V5XwAQWtfP?format=jpg&name=medium


    Last edited by Urluber on Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:38 am; edited 1 time in total

    Big_Gazza and Arkanghelsk like this post

    avatar
    Guest
    Guest


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  Guest Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:37 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    A plurality of Russians were for the LNR/DNR recognition according to one poll. A slim plurality - like 45 to 40. Another poll put the amount of Russians supporting that at a much higher level.

    How many Russians do you think are for all this shit going on?

    Putin is going to have to pull a bunny rabbit out the hat. Don't see how, but we'll see what happens.

    On other hand all my Russian friends were supportive of DNR/LNR recognition, like literally all. But of this war...literally noone is fully supportive.
    OminousSpudd
    OminousSpudd


    Posts : 925
    Points : 930
    Join date : 2015-01-03
    Location : New Zealand

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  OminousSpudd Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:38 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    What really eats me is being curious about what exactly motivated Russia to go full Rolling Thunder on international relations by starting this because they torched a lot of bridges here for decades to come and apparently entire government and political spectrum seems to be okay with it

    What happened? What do they know that we don't? What's the long term plan?

    What kicked this off? Because the Ukraine is not exactly new topic but so far they were completely restrained diplomatically and militarily and yet the whole thing went tits up all of a sudden

    Any ideas? Seriously asking here
    The biggest question of the decade. They've gamed the outcome and decided that the benefits outweigh the costs. How on earth they came to that conclusion is beyond me, which indicates there's something under the surface that we're not seeing. I would of said the Kremlin had contracted a terminal case of koolaid addiction if it wasn't for their excruciatingly measured approach to everything in the past 2 decades.

    SWIFT cut off has happened, so sanctions have gone as nuclear as they possibly can. We've transitioned from soft power wars to Cold War 2: Electric Boogaloo in the last 72+ hours. Oh well, GWOT was fun while it lasted, back to big boy fights now. PRC won't be sitting the sequel out, whether they like it or not. We might even get the 3rd installment to the World War trilogy yet

    zepia, JohninMK, Finty, Broski and Arkanghelsk like this post

    kvs
    kvs


    Posts : 12880
    Points : 13027
    Join date : 2014-09-11
    Location : Kanada

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  kvs Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:45 am

    Russian police have started special inspections of all vehicles coming out of Ukraine. Remember how Biden yapped about terrorism
    inside Russia. It is clear he was talking about NATzO proxy organized terror in Russia.

    d_taddei2, Hole, lancelot and Broski like this post

    PhSt
    PhSt


    Posts : 648
    Points : 654
    Join date : 2019-04-02

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  PhSt Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:47 am

    Orlan wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    A plurality of Russians were for the LNR/DNR recognition according to one poll. A slim plurality - like 45 to 40. Another poll put the amount of Russians supporting that at a much higher level.

    How many Russians do you think are for all this shit going on?

    Putin is going to have to pull a bunny rabbit out the hat. Don't see how, but we'll see what happens.

    On other hand all my Russian friends were supportive of DNR/LNR recognition, like literally all. But of this war...literally noone is fully supportive.

    If your Russian friends live in the West, then I guess they are only protecting themselves from being canceled ie losing their jobs by not commenting on the situation. In the college I am attending here in Canada, Pro-Ukrainian propaganda is being promoted by the school administration Rolling Eyes

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 274242748-7809391412420240-4393165410450224824-n
    avatar
    Guest
    Guest


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  Guest Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:49 am

    PhSt wrote:

    If your Russian friends live in the West, then I guess they are only protecting themselves from being canceled ie losing their jobs by not commenting on the situation. In the college I am attending here in Canada, Pro-Ukrainian propaganda is being promoted by the school administration Rolling Eyes

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 274242748-7809391412420240-4393165410450224824-n

    Mmm well most live in Moscow, Kirov and Petersburg, only 2 live in UK.

    avatar
    Guest
    Guest


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  Guest Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:51 am

    Intel and AMD stop supplying microchips to Russia.
    avatar
    mnztr


    Posts : 1557
    Points : 1599
    Join date : 2018-01-21

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:54 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Or more likely, he won't.

    .


    My question would be whether was there control of the whole Ukraine planned or only the  eastern part?  

    I mean Kiyev - Transdnistria line? And then years of organic work to denazify population. Even non nazi can be grown up with anitRussian propaganda sold as history. It would be hardest part...

    BTW  Check out Polish wiki about Azov battalion. Of Urko patriots. They forgot to update their code of arms and kept the one form 2014.
    https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pu%C5%82k_%E2%80%9EAzow%E2%80%9D



    and now check SS  das Reich code of arms. Just coincidential.


    My guess is they will take the whole thing. Too dangerous to leave uncontrolled territory where opposition can rally. They will go right to the border and assume control of the border

    Hannibal Barca, GunshipDemocracy, Broski and Arkanghelsk like this post

    avatar
    mnztr


    Posts : 1557
    Points : 1599
    Join date : 2018-01-21

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:55 am

    Orlan wrote:Intel and AMD stop supplying microchips to Russia.

    When Russia cuts of the supply of Neon from Ukraine to the USA they won't be supplying chips to anyone.

    GarryB, d_taddei2, kvs, GunshipDemocracy, JohninMK, miketheterrible, Hole and like this post

    kvs
    kvs


    Posts : 12880
    Points : 13027
    Join date : 2014-09-11
    Location : Kanada

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  kvs Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:55 am

    Orlan wrote:Intel and AMD stop supplying microchips to Russia.

    This move was anticipated.

    GarryB, Big_Gazza, GunshipDemocracy, Broski and Arkanghelsk like this post

    GunshipDemocracy
    GunshipDemocracy


    Posts : 5326
    Points : 5350
    Join date : 2015-05-17
    Location : fishin on Stalin´s Strait between Mexico and Canada

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:01 am

    kvs wrote:So according to Alex Christoforou (video linked by par far) who cites the US estimate, Russia is running this operation with less than
    50,000 men. That is surprisingly low. People cannot expect this number of soldiers to take over a country the size of Ukraine at a pace
    they want. The number of troops implies to me that Russia is expecting lots of local support. And we do have evidence that locals
    are feeding intel to the Russian forces. Of course, there are civilians who are not happy with the invasion.


    There are on both sides guerillas. As for pro Russians Donbass own army (was ~30k soldiers last years perhaps now is more) I just wonder how many was trained by Russians/pro-Russians inside of Ukraine.
    Airbornewolf
    Airbornewolf


    Posts : 1011
    Points : 1079
    Join date : 2014-02-05
    Location : https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  Airbornewolf Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:04 am

    Orlan wrote:Intel and AMD stop supplying microchips to Russia.

    OMFG people, post your sources. and better yet imbed them if you can.

    But here is one: https://time.news/amd-and-intel-have-suspended-deliveries-of-their-products-to-russia-rbc/

    It is pointless tough, how are you going to stop the global sales from reaching Russia?. put an embargo all around russia's borders?.

    Also, again the west is messing with things they should not even thinking of touching.
    Taiwan...are you voluntarily making yourself the NR1 strategic target?.  lol1

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Captur42

    Hannibal Barca, kvs, GunshipDemocracy, Hole, lyle6, Broski and Arkanghelsk like this post

    GunshipDemocracy
    GunshipDemocracy


    Posts : 5326
    Points : 5350
    Join date : 2015-05-17
    Location : fishin on Stalin´s Strait between Mexico and Canada

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:06 am

    [quote="mnztr"][quote="GunshipDemocracy"]
    flamming_python wrote:


    My guess is they will take the whole thing. Too dangerous to leave uncontrolled territory where opposition can rally. They will go right to the border and assume control of the border

    yet resources you need to control this... the whole generation of Ukrainians was brought up in antiRussian manner. So many potential guerillas saboteurs were surely prepared anticipation what will happen.

    Im sure thet chances were carefully examined by Russian govt before repelling Ukro aggression.
    ATLASCUB
    ATLASCUB


    Posts : 1000
    Points : 1010
    Join date : 2017-02-13

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  ATLASCUB Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:08 am

    The Chinese are not ready to take over Taiwan. Not by a long shot. And they're also deluded if they think the Taiwanese elite will relinquish sovereign power to them, peacefully.

    China played their cards right and they were very smart to get to where they're today. With that said, they're a hobo nation, in the sense that they don't command allegiance structures, nor have the expertise, nor have shown the willingness to engage in bloc confrontation and how those are managed, and fought over.

    Problem is, the empire controls a big fat bloc and will confront it with this big fat bloc. They can't escape from it, just like Russia can't.


    Last edited by ATLASCUB on Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:11 am; edited 2 times in total

    Autodestruct likes this post

    avatar
    mnztr


    Posts : 1557
    Points : 1599
    Join date : 2018-01-21

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:09 am

    I read that the only AN-225 has been destroyed on the ground Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 1f62d Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 1f62d

    anyone confirm the veracity of this sad story?
    LMFS
    LMFS


    Posts : 4491
    Points : 4491
    Join date : 2018-03-03

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  LMFS Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:09 am

    I found these requests by Saker commendable:

    - Stop asking me to debunk western or Ukie sources
    - Stop posting link to the Zona A media, corporate or social, in the comments section
    - If you “feel sorry but…” or “have your doubts about…”, then please keep them for yourself for at least the next 24 hours (36 would be better)
    - And if you have any love, care or respect for your own brain and neurons, STOP listening to the Zone A media. Be kind to yourself, or prepare to look stupid once you open your mouth.

    Thank you Rolling Eyes

    Big_Gazza, kvs, GunshipDemocracy, miketheterrible, Hole, Broski, Autodestruct and Arkanghelsk like this post

    avatar
    mnztr


    Posts : 1557
    Points : 1599
    Join date : 2018-01-21

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:13 am

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:


    My guess is they will take the whole thing. Too dangerous to leave uncontrolled territory where opposition can rally. They will go right to the border and assume control of the border

    yet resources you need to control this... the whole generation of Ukrainians was brought up in antiRussian manner. So many potential guerillas saboteurs were surely prepared anticipation what will happen.

    Im sure thet chances were carefully examined by Russian govt before repelling Ukro aggression.

    This is why the police and army will need to be Ukrainian. And why the Russians will dangle an election and self determination in the future for Ukraine. The police and army will get big raises to stay. The biggest mistake the US made with Iraq was debaathifciation. I hope Russia does not make this same mistake. Maybe a truth and reconciliation process to clear up the facts around the Ukrainian famine. It was clearly Stalins fault so there is no downside to pinning it on him. Everyone suffered under him
    Finty
    Finty


    Posts : 539
    Points : 545
    Join date : 2021-02-10
    Location : Great Britain

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  Finty Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:17 am

    mnztr wrote:I read that the only AN-225 has been destroyed on the ground  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 1f62d  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 1f62d

    anyone confirm the veracity of this sad story?

    Being denied by Antonov and others so we'll see. Here's hoping it ain't.
    avatar
    Urluber


    Posts : 163
    Points : 165
    Join date : 2022-01-05

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  Urluber Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:19 am

    mnztr wrote:I read that the only AN-225 has been destroyed on the ground  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 1f62d  Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 1f62d

    anyone confirm the veracity of this sad story?

    It was claimed already after first night. Supposedly when Russia took over the airport where it is located.
    I doubt it. But Could be the kievans have destroyed it or will try. Scorched earth tactics.


    Last edited by Urluber on Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:20 am; edited 1 time in total

    d_taddei2 likes this post


    Sponsored content


    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2 - Page 37 Empty Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

    Post  Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Tue May 24, 2022 11:17 am