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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #2

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:40 pm

    It is clear from the western media that their newest dream is to keep this fight going on. They don't care about the people, about the kids, about anything, just to prolong war. Of course the regime in Kiev don't care either, they are not Russians nor Ukrainians after all.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:42 pm

    Mike, is not that Russia is using old equipment

    The tactics and even the strategy is totally different from Syria

    Well different in only the bombing sense because most of the syrian cities were under control of terrorists

    Look at Chernobyl, russia AND ukraine are patrolling the powerplant, so Russia AND Ukraine have joint ops in certain places

    Russia will negotiate with army commanders and city leadership prior to entering the cities

    Drones are already looking for UAF positions

    Russians are simply trying to conduct the operation in step by step manner

    They won't enter cities as in Grozny, they will systematically recon and then send small hunting groups like should have been done in Grozny 1

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:43 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:While citizens of NATO and various officials are bat shit
    insane, it's rather obvious that majority in charge aren't. As they say they won't send troops to assist Ukraine. At best they can send manpads.

    I'm certain russia learned it's lesson regarding Afghanistan and how manpads are a bitch.

    Edit: phone auto correct should be a criminal offense.
    From my understanding, it was an explanation given either by GarryB or Mindstorm, that the vast majority of helicopter losses from enemy fire (and not malfunction) were from autocannon fire. The Stinger manpads captured by the Soviets were found to be inferior to their own Igla manpads, and their performance in the Afghan War theater was grotesquely exaggerated.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:46 pm

    Also mike:

    The Russians now must identify reasonable Ukrainian commanders and/or politicians to negotiate with

    That Russia needs to offer the leftover Ukrainian ground forces the same deal which the Ukrainian forces which were tasked with the control of the Chernobyl nuclear plant were given today by the Russian forces: let’s secure this facility together and keep it secure together, with no combats of any kind.   The Ukrainians gladly accepted, by the way, and now they are jointly patrolling area.

    The Russians might also try something which worked well in Chechnia: tell the local town/city authorities that if they guarantee that not a single bullet will be fire from that town/city not a single Russian bullet will fly back and not a single Russian solider will enter the city, unless accompanied by locals and in order to ascertain the reality of the situation.  But if a city is declared “open and peaceful” and then is used to attack Russian forces, it will be simply flattened with artillery.  I call that the “Shamanov ultimatum” and, after a few false starts (and subsequently flattened towns) it worked very well.

    Of course this strategy worked in Syria too, recall Douma and Damascus, they negotiated and bused terrorists from the cities to Idlib,

    Same tactics with Ukraine worked with Turkey, forcing turks to jointly patrol with Russia the border

    Russia knows exactly what it's doing

    US psyops will shift from slow russian advance, to russian atrocities once they commence entering the cities

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:46 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:It is clear from the western media that their newest dream is to keep this fight going on. They don't care about the people, about the kids, about anything, just to prolong war. Of course the regime in Kiev don't care either, they are not Russians nor Ukrainians after all.
    If Kiev regime is not Ukrainian then what it is?

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:48 pm

    Even if Ukraine decides to surrender in order to stop this war, the U.S will not allow them to. Just like last year when Afgan Army refused to fight the Taliban they were promptly eliminated by U.S.

    The U.S seems to think that if they prolong this war Russia's economy will take a hit and Putin's presidency will come crumbling down.

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    Post  franco Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:49 pm

    In the Donbas, other then support and to blockade Maripuol, the Russians are allowing the locals to liberate their own territories. The Lugansk forces are apparently now at Markivka which is only about 20 kms from the Voronezh (Russia) border in the Northern districts.

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    Post  The Ottoman Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:50 pm

    Hole wrote:That was a ukrainian tank, dumbass.

    Yes affcourse, and its not Russia attacking. Ukraine started the war by attacking Moscow and St. Petersburg.

    You lost te war. It wil cost you every day a lot of blood, money, resources and international it will isolate you. All because Little Vlad loves the Soviet times from his KGB time.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:52 pm

    Then I'm assuming russia will slowly build up the troop numbers and slowly start taking smaller locations first or at least allow the DNR and LNR forces take them?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:52 pm

    The steppe operations from Donetsk and Lughansk towards the Dnieper and From Kharkov will resemble Palmyra operation

    Once the UKR are broken at the front lines, and reports are they have been penetrated they will be hammered and bisected

    Remember Palmyra how Russians did it

    As for Mariupol, Kherson, Kharkov, Chernigov, Kiev, Sumy and Chernigov , it's the Douma treatment for them

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:55 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Then I'm assuming russia will slowly build up the troop numbers and slowly start taking smaller locations first or at least allow the DNR and LNR forces take them?

    In the east yes, also remember in Syria Russians brought 5th army corps and tigers to all urban battles

    Could be the same with LDNR, or Russians could do it themselves in cities 

    Many Ukrainians have been switching over to Russian side, so just like Chernobyl some UAF units could do the cleaning operations themselves 

    But the templates for this exist in Palmyra, Damascus, Douma, and Idlib

    My guess is Lvov could turn into a permanent Idlib

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    Post  Isos Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:56 pm

    The Ottoman wrote:
    Hole wrote:That was a ukrainian tank, dumbass.

    Yes affcourse, and its not Russia attacking. Ukraine started the war by attacking Moscow and St. Petersburg.

    You lost te war. It wil cost you every day a lot of blood, money, resources and international it will isolate you. All because Little Vlad loves the Soviet times from his KGB time.

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    Lol another keybord warrior. Easy to talk when your ambassy is protected.

    But I guess it is some sort of declaration of war and just bomb him.

    Stupid japanese will regret when Russia start sell tupolevs and yasens to China.

    They haven't yet paid enough for what they did in WW2 those assholes.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:59 pm

    Japan was begging Russia for years for energy and to do a deal with Kuril Islands.

    In the end, Japan will get nothing as usual besides screwed over.

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    Post  Guest Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:04 pm

    Seems Chechens were ambushed somewhere near Mariupol

    https://twitter.com/crypto_helga/status/1497540622768435203?t=xN7wt-ddd-DR7vO0KJJWYg&s=19
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:06 pm

    I don't think there is snow right now in that area. May be wrong.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:09 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/550701-russia-airspace-polish-czech-bulgaria-planes/

    Russia shuts airspace to Polish, Czech, Bulgarian planes

    The tit-for-tat move followed what Moscow called an “unfriendly” response to Russia’s military attack on Ukraine

    This is devastating for the EU, eastern european economy will collapse

    The west European countries like france and Germany will have to support these states, without energy and with high prices

    The EU has made a bad mistake to engage in this financial conflict , they will have to cut loose some of these countries as they take losses

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    Post  Guest Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:10 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I don't think there is snow right now in that area.  May be wrong.

    Not sure either. Around Kharson there is no snow, but seems it's raining now.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:11 pm

    Orlan wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I don't think there is snow right now in that area.  May be wrong.

    Not sure either. Around Kharson there is no snow, but seems it's raining now.

    Like I said, Twitter is the center if disinformation.

    I can't get on anymore anyway. It wants my phone number and I'm not giving it to them.


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    Post  Urluber Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:12 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:I listened Mercouris analysis before the war and he said many times that Russia will completely "overwhelm" Ukraine military in a direct confrontation.

    I'm not seeing it after three days of war.

    Russia offered Kiev possibility to negotiate. It was in news yesterday evening.

    Kiev has just moments ago declined it. Military operation continues now.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:13 pm

    Urluber wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:I listened Mercouris analysis before the war and he said many times that Russia will completely "overwhelm" Ukraine military in a direct confrontation.

    I'm not seeing it after three days of war.

    Russia offered Kiev possibility to negotiate. It was in news yesterday evening.

    Kiev has just moments ago declined it. Military operation continues now.

    I'm curious what his reasoning is on flip flopping. My assumption is that he is indeed hiding out in Lviv and is wanting to prolong this conflict.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:13 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/20220226/putin-ordered-troops-to-stop-ukraine-op-but-it-resumed-after-kiev-refused-to-negotiate-peskov-says-1093394724.html

    Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a temporary halt to the Russian military operation in Ukraine on Friday afternoon in connection with the expectation of negotiations with Kiev, but the operation was resumed Saturday afternoon after the Ukrainian leadership refused to talk, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has said.

    This explains a lot, but the tempo should not be halted any further, for f$ck$ sake

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:17 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/20220226/moscow-will-respond-symmetrically-to-seizure-of-russian-business-assets-abroad-medvedev-says-1093394297.html

    Moscow Will Respond ‘Symmetrically’ to Seizure of Russian Business Assets Abroad, Medvedev Says

    All western companies in Russia like Royal dutch shell , BP, mcdonalds, Visa should be frozen and their assets seized to compensate

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    Post  nomadski Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:21 pm



    Isos wrote " Some kinzhal on oil installations in the middle east would also be worth if the western keep taking russian money. You want destruction then get it. " Soon , with the present situation , most in Europe will be freezing this winter . Capacity can not be immediately increased with Qatar or freedom Gas . I doubt that the war in Ukraine , will still be unresolved by October . So there may be no need to set the world on fire .

    But I think Iran will be help Russia . Since now part of SCO also . If Russia thinks that Germans should be kept inside , then Iran can help there with transfer of Russian Gas . If not , then Iran can instead supply China . And China can buy Iranian oil preferentially over Saudi oil . Or if not , then Russia can pay compensation to Iran , over any proven lost exports , to keep economy going .

    Now Germans are unlikely to be active participants in war , but British will be . Today they intercepted Russian flagged ship in the Channel , as per sanction policy ! So a different approach for them . No oil from ME country . Intercept Tankers in PG !

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    Post  Azi Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:28 pm

    nomadski wrote:

    Isos wrote " Some kinzhal on oil installations in the middle east would also be worth if the western keep taking russian money. You want destruction then get it. " Soon , with the present situation , most in Europe will be freezing this winter . Capacity can not be immediately increased with Qatar or freedom Gas . I doubt that the war in Ukraine , will still be unresolved by October . So there may be no need to set the world on fire .

    But I think Iran will be help  Russia . Since now part of SCO also . If Russia thinks that Germans should be kept inside , then Iran can help there with transfer of Russian Gas . If not , then Iran can instead supply China . And China can buy Iranian oil preferentially over Saudi oil . Or if not , then Russia can pay compensation to Iran , over any proven lost exports , to keep economy going .

    Now Germans are unlikely to be active participants in war , but British will be . Today they intercepted Russian flagged ship in the Channel , as per sanction policy ! So a different approach for them . No oil from ME country . Intercept Tankers in PG !

    Give the Houthis a few nice missiles, not the selfmade crap they have. And they inflicted with this crap a lot of damage to Saudis.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:31 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:It is clear from the western media that their newest dream is to keep this fight going on. They don't care about the people, about the kids, about anything, just to prolong war. Of course the regime in Kiev don't care either, they are not Russians nor Ukrainians after all.

    Well, Russia made it too easy for America by invading.

    Of course the US wants Russia to bleed itself dry in Ukraine. Why would you expect anything else?

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