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    Russian Navy: Status and News #6

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:46 pm

    Composition of the Northern Fleet in 2022;

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:01 am

    TASS; 02:05

    The first flight of the latest carrier-based drone will take place in 2025

    Its serial production for the Navy will start in 2026, a source in the military-industrial complex said.


    MOSCOW, 7 June. /TASS/. The first test flight of the latest deck-based unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) is scheduled for 2025. Its serial production for equipping the ships of the Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation will begin in 2026. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.
    "The first sample of the domestic carrier-based drone will perform a test flight in three years. Serial production of the device for the Navy will begin in 2026," the agency's interlocutor said.

    According to him, the preliminary design of carrier-based attack and reconnaissance drones will begin in the second half of this year, the project is scheduled to be completed in 2024. "In 2025, working design documentation will be issued and preparations for the production of devices will begin," he added.

    TASS has no official information on this matter.

    On January 27, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, during a visit to the new workshop of the Kronstadt company, said that the UAV production plant, which Kronstadt JSC opened in Dubna, near Moscow, would be able to produce deck-based drones and helicopter-type vehicles.

    Earlier, a TASS source in the shipbuilding industry reported that the Ivan Rogov and Mitrofan Moskalenko project 23900 universal landing helicopter carriers (UDC), which are being built at the Zaliv shipyard in Kerch, will be adapted for basing strike and reconnaissance UAVs. According to him, the project 23900 UDC, in addition to basing a group of marine helicopters, will carry and control a certain number of attack and helicopter reconnaissance drones. According to the interlocutor of the agency, drones will be able to effectively provide fire support for amphibious assault, illuminate the tactical situation in the landing zone and during special operations, detect and, if necessary, eliminate low-profile watercraft.

    https://n.tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14839493

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    Post  Mir Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:12 pm

    This is very good news indeed! I do hope to see AEW/MP/ECM variants in that package as well.

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:36 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:TASS; 02:05

    The first flight of the latest carrier-based drone will take place in 2025

    Its serial production for the Navy will start in 2026, a source in the military-industrial complex said.


    MOSCOW, 7 June. /TASS/. The first test flight of the latest deck-based unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) is scheduled for 2025. Its serial production for equipping the ships of the Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation will begin in 2026. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.
    "The first sample of the domestic carrier-based drone will perform a test flight in three years. Serial production of the device for the Navy will begin in 2026," the agency's interlocutor said.

    According to him, the preliminary design of carrier-based attack and reconnaissance drones will begin in the second half of this year, the project is scheduled to be completed in 2024. "In 2025, working design documentation will be issued and preparations for the production of devices will begin," he added.

    TASS has no official information on this matter.

    On January 27, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, during a visit to the new workshop of the Kronstadt company, said that the UAV production plant, which Kronstadt JSC opened in Dubna, near Moscow, would be able to produce deck-based drones and helicopter-type vehicles.

    https://n.tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14839493
    Is there a rendering or data sheet about this drone?
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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:04 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:TASS; 02:05

    The first flight of the latest carrier-based drone will take place in 2025

    Its serial production for the Navy will start in 2026, a source in the military-industrial complex said.


    MOSCOW, 7 June. /TASS/. The first test flight of the latest deck-based unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) is scheduled for 2025. Its serial production for equipping the ships of the Navy (Navy) of the Russian Federation will begin in 2026. This was reported to TASS by a source in the military-industrial complex.
    "The first sample of the domestic carrier-based drone will perform a test flight in three years. Serial production of the device for the Navy will begin in 2026," the agency's interlocutor said.

    According to him, the preliminary design of carrier-based attack and reconnaissance drones will begin in the second half of this year, the project is scheduled to be completed in 2024. "In 2025, working design documentation will be issued and preparations for the production of devices will begin," he added.

    TASS has no official information on this matter.

    On January 27, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, during a visit to the new workshop of the Kronstadt company, said that the UAV production plant, which Kronstadt JSC opened in Dubna, near Moscow, would be able to produce deck-based drones and helicopter-type vehicles.

    https://n.tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14839493
    Is there a rendering or data sheet about this drone?


    Not yet, just this post from TASS.

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    Post  limb Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:29 pm

    Is it possible to transfer the Gepard class frigates through the volga-don canal? Russia needs any surface ship it has with some SAMs in the black sea.
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    Post  franco Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:34 pm

    limb wrote:Is it possible to transfer the Gepard class frigates through the volga-don canal? Russia needs any surface ship it has with some SAMs in the black sea.

    Yes, it has been talked about but nothing yet.
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    Post  franco Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:24 pm

    After the expansion of the NATO bloc, the composition of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation will have to be revised

    The entry into the NATO bloc of Sweden and Finland is a big problem for the RF Ministry of Defense. Soon, both shores of the Baltic Sea will legally become part of the North Atlantic Alliance, finally turning it into "NATO's inland sea." At the same time, the danger for the Russian exclave of the Kaliningrad region is increasing, and the question of the future prospects of the Russian Baltic Fleet is also sharply raised. Is it needed now at all, and if so, in what composition?

    In the Soviet period, when the Baltics were part of the USSR, and our country had allies in Europe under the Warsaw Pact, the significance of the Baltic Fleet was completely different than it is now. In the event of the outbreak of hostilities against the North Atlantic Alliance, the Baltics had to restrain the activity of the NATO fleet and support the offensive of the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany on the territory of the Federal Republic of Germany. From the air, the ships would be covered by aircraft stationed, including in the friendly GDR.

    Unfortunately, after the collapse of the USSR, everything changed dramatically for the worse. The Russian Federation no longer has any allies in the western direction, except for Belarus. The Kaliningrad region turned out to be cut off from the main territory of the country by the hostile Baltic states. Lithuania and Poland, surrounding it, joined the North Atlantic Alliance. The size of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation, stationed in Baltiysk, has decreased and is many times inferior to a potential enemy. The RF Ministry of Defense does not seem to be planning large-scale offensive measures deep into Europe, and there is nothing corny about it. The following figures can testify to how unequal the forces of Russia and the NATO bloc in the Baltic are.

    Thus, the German Navy has 11 frigates, 5 corvettes, 19 minesweepers, 2 landing ships and 6 submarines, as well as a number of auxiliary ships. The Polish Navy has 2 frigates, 2 corvettes, 3 missile boats, 3 submarines (2 in service) and 1 minesweeper. Latvia has 8 patrol ships, 4 minesweepers and 6 patrol boats in the Baltic. The Lithuanian Navy has 4 patrol ships, 1 control ship and 2 minesweepers, the Estonian Navy has 2 coast guard ships and 3 minesweepers. The Norwegian Navy consists of 4 frigates, 6 corvettes, 6 minesweepers and 6 submarines. Denmark has 4 ocean patrol ships and 3 frigates, as well as 2 control ships.

    And this is just what the NATO bloc has in the Baltic here and now, not counting the fleets of other allies, against 1 of our old destroyer of the Sarych type, which is under repair, the patrol ship Yaroslav the Wise (its brother in the Neustrashimy project) also under repair), 4 Guardian-type corvettes, 15 small missile and anti-submarine ships, 4 large landing craft, 2 small landing ships, 9 landing craft, 11 combat boats and 1 submarine.

    Soon, the North Atlantic Alliance will be officially reinforced with 8 Finnish patrol ships, 6 minelayers, 13 minesweepers and 2 landing craft, as well as 11 Swedish corvettes, 7 minesweepers, 12 patrol boats and 5 submarines.The advantage in strength is total.

    Let us note the fact that all our potential adversaries in the Baltic Sea obviously relied on its mining in order to block the ships of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation, judging by the number of NATO minelayers and minesweepers. What worked in previous World Wars will work now. If desired, the North Atlantic Alliance can block our exit from the ports of the Kaliningrad region and the Gulf of Finland for St. Petersburg. What is even worse, the entire Baltic Sea is being shot through by anti-ship missiles of the DBK and aircraft with air-based anti-ship missiles. Soon both Baltic coasts will be under NATO control. But even in the port it is not a fact that it will be safe to sit out, since Russian ships can be covered right at the pier with long-range artillery from the territory of Poland.

    In general, all this has been known for a long time. But the lessons of confrontation in the Black Sea simply force us to re-evaluate potential threats. The Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation is objectively now in a death trap, and the question is what to do with it now.

    Try to strengthen it in order to create a semblance of parity with the combined forces of NATO? It's just unrealistic and doesn't make any practical sense. Whatever you do, the enemy will still dominate the region both at sea and in the air. How ingloriously Russian warships and boats are sinking, we have already seen enough, that's enough. Completely withdraw the Baltic Fleet somewhere to a safer place? Also not an option, since such a unilateral demilitarization of the water area by Russia will be unequivocally perceived by a potential adversary as an image victory. And where are these safe places these days?

    All that remains is to reconsider the composition of the Baltic Fleet and set real tasks for it. It is probably worth leaving mainly small missile ships and other Caliber carriers in the Baltic as a means of deterring the NATO bloc. In the event of the outbreak of hostilities, cruise missiles will definitely not be superfluous, allowing them to deliver pinpoint strikes against enemy military infrastructure. On the Black Sea, everyone saw that our fleet is good at doing this.

    Do we now need frigate or corvette-class ships on NATO's "inland sea"? No, they have nothing to do there, they should be transferred to other Russian fleets. For example, a couple of project 20380 corvettes would now be very useful in the Black Sea in the confrontation with the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ukrainian Navy for Zmeiny Island, which we eventually had to give up. But so far the Turkish straits are closed, they realized it too late. Perhaps even more needed are PLO corvettes, patrol and landing ships as part of the Pacific Fleet, which has long been in dire need of reinforcement.

    It is already obvious that the composition of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation must be reshuffled, taking into account the new geopolitical reality.

    https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/26596-posle-rasshirenija-bloka-nato-sostav-baltijskogo-flota-rf-pridetsja-peresmotret.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  franco Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:25 pm

    BDK "Saratov" raised from the bottom of the sea in Berdyansk

    According to Vladimir Rogov, a representative of the military-civilian administration of the Zaporozhye region, on his Telegram channel, the landing ship Saratov was raised from the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov yesterday.

    The operation to lift the landing ship was carried out in the port of the city of Berdyansk, which is located in the south of the Zaporozhye region near the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov.

    "Saratov" was heavily damaged on March 24 during the shelling of the Berdyansk port by the Ukrainian military. The blow was delivered by missiles of the Tochka-U complex.

    As Rogov explains, the crew decided to flood the ship after a fire started on it. Otherwise, this could lead to the detonation of the ammunition on board.

    Recall that Berdyansk and other settlements of the Zaporozhye region, located along the Sea of ​​Azov, were liberated by Russian troops in March this year.

    "Saratov" was the first landing ship of its series, built back in 1964 in Kaliningrad. During its long history , the ship had to visit many parts of the world. Saratov took part in the events in Georgia in 2008, and during the reunification of Crimea in 2014. With the start of the special operation in Ukraine, the ship was also involved in it.

    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/198493-saratov-podnjali-so-dna-morja.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  Hole Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:31 pm

    How the ship was raised:
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    Post  LMFS Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:00 pm

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    They are already working on a scale model of the Fregat concept, maybe they talk about other design we have not seen, but this looks very promising indeed. I personally would like to see the Helios-RLD adapted to carrier use, but that would maybe need catapults and not be suitable for the 23900
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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:10 pm

    franco wrote:
    In general, all this has been known for a long time. But the lessons of confrontation in the Black Sea simply force us to re-evaluate potential threats. The Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation is objectively now in a death trap, and the question is what to do with it now.

    Try to strengthen it in order to create a semblance of parity with the combined forces of NATO? It's just unrealistic and doesn't make any practical sense. Whatever you do, the enemy will still dominate the region both at sea and in the air.
    I agree with the text for the biggest part. That Neustrashimy should be transferred to Pacific, if/when it gets ready. No reason to keep big ships in Baltic.

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    Post  Mir Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:54 pm

    franco wrote:After the expansion of the NATO bloc, the composition of the Baltic Fleet of the Russian Federation will have to be revised

    The entry into the NATO bloc of Sweden and Finland is a big problem for the RF Ministry of Defense. Soon, both shores of the Baltic Sea will legally become part of the North Atlantic Alliance, finally turning it into "NATO's inland sea." At the same time, the danger for the Russian exclave of the Kaliningrad region is increasing, and the question of the future prospects of the Russian Baltic Fleet is also sharply raised. Is it needed now at all, and if so, in what composition?

    Just my opinion but there is no need for Russia to have surface ships any larger than the Steregushchiy type covettes (Pr.20380/5) in the Baltics. They offer very good all round capability.
    However they do need significantly more submarines - particularly the new Serval and Piranha-T small attack submarines.
    Also a must have in the Baltics is a substantial Naval Infantry force equipped with fast amphibious landing ships/craft backed up by a couple of fighter/bomber regiments.
    However the real strength of the Russian Navy lies in its missiles. No other country comes close (not really mentioned in the above article). These missiles are a significant force multiplier for the Russians in any of its fleets.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:58 pm

    The NATO fleet has no chance in the Baltic Sea. In the event of war, the entire NATO fleet in the Baltic Sea will be destroyed by Cirkon.
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    Post  Mir Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:58 pm

    franco wrote:BDK "Saratov" raised from the bottom of the sea in Berdyansk

    According to Vladimir Rogov, a representative of the military-civilian administration of the Zaporozhye region, on his Telegram channel, the landing ship Saratov was raised from the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov yesterday.

    The operation to lift the landing ship was carried out in the port of the city of Berdyansk, which is located in the south of the Zaporozhye region near the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov.

    "Saratov" was heavily damaged on March 24 during the shelling of the Berdyansk port by the Ukrainian military. The blow was delivered by missiles of the Tochka-U complex.

    As Rogov explains, the crew decided to flood the ship after a fire started on it. Otherwise, this could lead to the detonation of the ammunition on board.

    Recall that Berdyansk and other settlements of the Zaporozhye region, located along the Sea of ​​Azov, were liberated by Russian troops in March this year.

    "Saratov" was the first landing ship of its series, built back in 1964 in Kaliningrad. During its long history , the ship had to visit many parts of the world. Saratov took part in the events in Georgia in 2008, and during the reunification of Crimea in 2014. With the start of the special operation in Ukraine, the ship was also involved in it.

    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/198493-saratov-podnjali-so-dna-morja.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    Hopefully the recovery is to turn this ship into a museum?
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:20 pm

    Mir wrote:Hopefully the recovery is to turn this ship into a museum?

    Museum of what? Arrogance, incompetence and humiliation?

    Cut that junk heap into trash cans and forget it ever existed



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    Post  Mir Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:31 pm

    Agree! cheers
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    Post  limb Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:30 pm

    How about put it back into service?

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:43 pm

    limb wrote:How about put it back into service?

    Because it worked so great the last time?


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    Post  limb Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:16 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    limb wrote:How about put it back into service?

    Because it worked so great the last time?


    its not like they can bring a replacement through the bosphorus... also shipyards in the black sea cant seem to build patrol ships in reasonable time, let alone a bdk
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 03, 2022 6:56 am

    They have way to many ships anyway... NOT.

    It is a landing ship... a brand new state of the art US or UK or French landing ship sitting at pier gets hit by a Tochka missile that starts a fire and those boats are loaded with 1,000 tons of ammo... I think the decision to scuttle the vessel was very sensible... as was the decision to raise it, restore it and put it back into service.

    A fuel truck catches fire and the driver drives it into a nearby lake to prevent the local area turning into a burnt spot... of course you take the truck out of the water clean it up and put it back into service.

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    Post  George1 Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:12 pm

    Neustrashimy did not receive Uran

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/275679.html

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:55 pm

    George1 wrote:Neustrashimy did not receive Uran

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/275679.html
    What will be the purpose of this ship now? To do long range anti piracy patrols and escort convoys to Syria?
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    Post  Isos Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:01 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    George1 wrote:Neustrashimy did not receive Uran

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/275679.html
    What will be the purpose of this ship now? To do long range anti piracy patrols and escort convoys to Syria?

    Anti sub missions to protect SSBN routes untill bulava start flying.

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    Post  Mir Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:28 am

    Isos wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:
    George1 wrote:Neustrashimy did not receive Uran

    https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/275679.html
    What will be the purpose of this ship now? To do long range anti piracy patrols and escort convoys to Syria?

    Anti sub missions to protect SSBN routes untill bulava start flying.

    They both serve in the Baltic so no SSBN's to protect but they do have powerful ASW role to play.

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