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    Russian Navy: Status and News #6

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:39 pm

    Apr 20, 13:30

    Patrol ship "Neustrashimy" of the Baltic Fleet fired missiles with the "Kinzhal" (naval variant of the system TOR) complex
    The shooting was successful, the simulated aerial target was hit

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    KALININGRAD, April 20. /TASS/. The Neustrashimy patrol ship of the Baltic Fleet, which is undergoing sea trials, has successfully fired missiles at the Baltic sea ranges, the press service of the fleet said on Wednesday.
    "The Kinzhal anti-aircraft missile system was used in combat firing at an air target, capable of reliably providing the ship's air defense in the event of an attack by air assets of a mock enemy from various heights and directions. The simulated air target was successfully hit," the press service said in a statement.

    It is noted that the shooting was carried out in the training grounds of the Baltic Fleet near the coast of the Kaliningrad region.
    Patrol ship of the Baltic Fleet after repairs at the Yantar Baltic shipbuilding plant is undergoing a complex of acceptance tests at the fleet's sea ranges. Yantar's specialists carried out work to upgrade the mechanical part of the ship, afterburners were repaired and re-installed, as well as the armament and supporting mechanisms of the patrol ship were modernized.

    "After the tests are completed, the Neustrashimy patrol ship will return to the fleet and continue to perform tasks in accordance with its intended purpose as part of a formation of surface ships," the press service said.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14424639

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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:24 am

    Dagger is a much better air defence system than OSA, and is vastly more capable of defending a ship at sea.

    It is essentially naval TOR and is designed to fire 12-16km range command guided missiles able to hit small unpowered targets like bombs or rockets or drones or missiles very efficiently.

    It also has Pantsir/Kashtan gun/missile mounts that would also be effective in defending the ship.

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    Post  Hole Fri May 06, 2022 8:29 pm

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    Post  Krepost Sat May 07, 2022 7:07 pm

    At Severnaya Werf:

    The name appears clearly on the hull: MERKURY (ex-Retivy)

    The large trawler on the right side of the picture has just been taken out of the construction building.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 18, 2022 9:28 am

    TASS; May 17, 23:23

    The Baltic Fleet will be replenished with new small missile ships in 2022
    More than 30 various exercises planned in the Baltic Sea before the end of the year


    KALININGRAD, May 18. /TASS/. New modern small missile ships of project 22800 and 21631 will enter the Baltic Fleet (BF) in 2022, the press service of the fleet reported in connection with the 319th anniversary of the formation of the Baltic Fleet celebrated on May 18.

    "The Baltic Fleet is expecting the arrival of new warships by the end of 2022. In particular, we are talking about modern small missile ships of project 22800 Karakurt and 21631 Buyan-M. They have already been launched at shipbuilding plants and are being prepared for testing," - said the press service with reference to the commander of the Baltic Fleet, Vice Admiral Viktor Liina, without specifying the number of ships that will replenish the combat strength of the fleet.
    The press service also noted that the Fleet's patrol ship is completing a complex of tests after a deep modernization in the naval testing grounds of the Navy. After their completion, he will return to the fleet and continue to perform tasks in accordance with his intended purpose as part of a formation of surface ships.

    As previously reported, the Neustrashimy frigate, which was repaired and modernized at the Yantar Baltic shipbuilding plant in Kaliningrad, successfully carried out artillery and rocket firing in the Baltic sea ranges.

    Combat exercises

    Until the end of 2022, the Baltic Fleet (BF) plans to conduct more than 30 exercises in the Baltic Sea.

    "By the end of the year, ships of the Baltic Fleet will take part in more than 30 exercises of various directions in the Baltic Sea, as well as in international exercises that will be held in various areas of the World Ocean," the press service said, citing the commander of the Baltic Fleet, Vice- Admiral Viktor Lin. They did not specify which countries would take part in the international maneuvers.
    It is noted that in addition to ships and support vessels, coastal units, aircraft and helicopters of naval aviation will be involved in the exercises in the area of ​​responsibility of the Baltic Fleet. In addition, the press service said, the ships will make several trips, including to the far sea zone.

    According to the press service, the planned intensity of the fleet's combat training in the winter training period increased by 42%. Surface ships and support vessels traveled about 100,000 nautical miles. Currently, several ships of the fleet are successfully solving assigned tasks in the far sea zone. The crews of the fleet's naval aviation flew over 3,500 hours during the winter period, which significantly exceeded last year's figures.

    "Karakurt" and "Buyan-M"


    Project 22800 small missile ships are equipped with the Caliber high-precision complex with cruise missiles, modern control systems, electronic weapons, radio communications, navigation, electronic warfare and countermeasures, anti-sabotage weapons, portable anti-aircraft missile systems. The ships are intended for operations as part of detachments and groupings of warships, as well as singly.

    Small rocket ships (corvettes) of project 21631 (code "Buyan-M") are Russian multi-purpose rocket and artillery ships of a new generation. Designed to carry out patrol service for the protection of the sea area in open coastal waters of the seas, oceans, inland seas and on navigable rivers. The main strike armament (caliber-NK missile launcher) makes it possible to hit not only enemy surface ships, but also ground targets located at a considerable distance from the coastline.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14653357




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    Post  lancelot Wed May 18, 2022 9:43 am

    They need to put the Pantsir-M on all the Karakurts to have better defenses against drone attacks.

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    Post  Hole Wed May 18, 2022 11:41 am

    Just the first two boats don´t have Pantsir-M.

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 19, 2022 1:41 pm

    Pantsir would be good, but squeasing one of those laser defence systems on board sounds pretty interesting too... a ship based version perhaps... one for the front and one for the rear?

    The more they make the better and over time technology will improve and their performance will increase while they will get smaller and lighter and cheaper...
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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 25, 2022 6:36 pm

    Two news for the guard ships of the project 11540, one for the "Nesutrashimiy" and one for the "Yaroslaw the Wise"

    TASS; May 25, 16:46

    Guard ship of the Baltic Fleet "Yaroslav the Wise" carried out artillery firing at sea
    In total, he performed more than 10 combat exercises, towed and float shields became targets for him.


    KALININGRAD, May 25. /TASS/. The guard ship of the Baltic Fleet "Yaroslav the Wise" during the exercises at sea carried out artillery firing at surface targets, the press service of the fleet said on Wednesday.

    "In the sea range of the Baltic Fleet, the crew of the Yaroslav the Wise patrol ship conducted exercises during which they worked out the tasks of artillery preparation and protection of the ship when repelling attacks from a potential enemy," the press service said.

    It is noted that in total, the crew of the watchman performed more than 10 combat exercises with firing from artillery ship systems as part of the exercises on drawing an artillery battle with a surface ship of a mock enemy. Towed and float shields were used as targets.
    Earlier, as part of the planned combat training, the crew of the patrol ship practiced firing a missile system and air defense systems at ships and air targets of a mock enemy with electronic launches from the Uran strike complex, and on Tuesday successfully interacted with the crews of Ka-27 carrier-based helicopters, which performed landing on the deck of "Yaroslav the Wise" during daylight and at night.


    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14727449



    May 25, 17:22

    Guard ship "Neustrashimy" conducted tests of the hydroacoustic system at sea

    The crew paid special attention to the detection of underwater targets at long distances.


    KALININGRAD, May 25. /TASS/. The crew of the Neustrashimy guard ship of the Baltic Fleet, which is undergoing sea trials in the sea ranges of the Baltic Fleet, checked the operability and efficiency of the ship's sonar system, the press service of the fleet said on Wednesday.

    "As part of the stage of post-factory sea trials, the crew of the Neustrashimy TFR checked the performance of the hydroacoustic system designed to analyze the underwater situation, including searching for and detecting submarines, mines, torpedoes, as well as underwater saboteurs at various ranges and depths on the move, in drifting and when the ship is anchored," the press service said.

    It is noted that, in particular, the crew of the Neustrashimy, together with representatives of the plant, paid special attention to testing the capabilities of hydroacoustics to detect underwater targets at long distances.

    The press service explained that for this, several torpedoes were fired from the Aleksin small anti-submarine ship in the direction of the Neustrashimy. As a result, the guard's specialists, using the data coming from the hydroacoustic station, identified the information and interacted with other ship systems that ensure the use of weapons.

    "As a result, the hydroacoustic system confirmed its high efficiency, the task assigned to ship acoustic specialists was completed in full and with high quality," the press service commented to TASS.

    As previously reported, specialists from the Yantar Baltic shipbuilding plant in Kaliningrad carried out work to upgrade the mechanical part of the Neustrashimy guard ship. The afterburner engines were repaired and re-installed, as well as the weapons and supporting mechanisms of the patrol ship were modernized. As part of the ongoing sea trials at sea, the crew has already successfully completed artillery and rocket firing, and solved other tasks as intended. Upon completion of the entire complex of tests, the Fearless will return to the Baltic Fleet and continue to perform tasks as part of a formation of surface ships of the fleet.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/14726457

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    Post  lancelot Wed May 25, 2022 10:16 pm

    No Uran launchers? It really needs the Uran launchers. Or even better UKSK VLS cells.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed May 25, 2022 10:36 pm

    lancelot wrote:No Uran launchers? It really needs the Uran launchers. Or even better UKSK VLS cells.

    It seems that there isn't, yes, which is a bit strange if we take into account that the small missile ship "Smerch", project 1234 "Ovod", also has 16 X-35 missiles. Four four-barrel launchers were placed on those ships with a full displacement of barely 650 tons. At least three more small missile ships of project 1234 will be modernized to the same standard - all for TOF (Pacific fleet).
    As for the installation of the UKSK launcher on the ships of the 11540 project, it is probably a more demanding process and the question is whether the Russians even thought about it.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue May 31, 2022 4:42 pm

    Disposal of "Admiral Lazarev" cruiser of the project 1144. I don't know where I would place this post because I don't want to put this ship and its pictures in the columns about "Peter the Great" and "Admiral Nakhimov". Also, I don't see that there is a section "Cruiser of the project 1144".

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    Post  Isos Tue May 31, 2022 5:28 pm

    I wonder if they can transform it into a powered barge full of UKSK and send it in the black sea.
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    Post  Hole Tue May 31, 2022 5:32 pm

    It would be easier (and cheaper) to use the steel from the ship to build a new barge. Or more then one.

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    Post  Isos Tue May 31, 2022 5:36 pm

    Hole wrote:It would be easier (and cheaper) to use the steel from the ship to build a new barge. Or more then one.

    I heard their steel is of a very good quality. It would be very sad if they just scrap it and not use it for new ships.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue May 31, 2022 5:47 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:It would be easier (and cheaper) to use the steel from the ship to build a new barge. Or more then one.

    I heard their steel is of a very good quality. It would be very sad if they just scrap it and not use it for new ships.

    Unlike some ships that were sold for "free", such as the Kiev-class (project 1143) aircraft carriers and the Moscow-class (project 1123) helicopter carriers, the steel from this ship will remain in Russia.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:23 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:Disposal of "Admiral Lazarev" cruiser of the project 1144. I don't know where I would place this post because I don't want to put this ship and its pictures in the columns about "Peter the Great" and "Admiral Nakhimov". Also, I don't see that there is a section "Cruiser of the project 1144".

    Even though she is being scrapped, she is still in better condition than the Pr 1164 Ukraina. Razz

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    Post  limb Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:42 am

    It fills me with pain and rage that one of the pinnacles of Soviet naval power projection is being cut up, while it's being replaced by 4  frigates that are taking over 7years  to put into service, or are never finished because Russia lost the technology for marine gas turbines.

    This reminds me of Warhammer 40k. The dark age of socialist technology is over, there are a select few irreplaceable tech relics jealously guarded, and every few decades, old dark godless socialist technology (such as the zvezda 1950s marine diesels or the Saturn copy of the Zorya mashproekt ancient 80s turbines) is resurrected by orthodox tech priests and is copied and built like works of tech art at 1-2 relics per  every few years. This is because said orthodox tech priests need the power of the procapitalist Christian god to bring back the lost technology.


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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:42 am

    RIA Novosti; 01.06.2022 (09:47)

    The Pacific Fleet will be replenished with six ships by the end of the year

    The Pacific Fleet will be replenished with six ships by the end of the year, including three submarines


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    MOSCOW, June 1 - RIA Novosti. The Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet) is waiting for a large replenishment of its combat strength in 2022: before the end of the year, three submarines, two minesweepers and a corvette will come to the fleet, the head of the information support department of the press service of the Eastern Military District for the Pacific Fleet, Captain 3rd Rank Ilya Kolesnikov, told reporters on Wednesday .

    "Among the important tasks of the summer training period is the development of new surface ships and submarines that will arrive at the Pacific Fleet before the end of the year. Among them are the third submarine of project 636.3 Magadan, the nuclear-powered strategic submarine cruiser of the Borei-A project, the Prince Oleg" and the nuclear submarine of the Yasen-M project "Novosibirsk". In addition, two sea minesweepers "Pyotr Ilyichev" and "Anatoly Shlemov" of project 12700 "Alexandrite" are scheduled to enter the fleet this year, Kolesnikov said.
    In addition, according to him, this year the Pacific Fleet will be replenished with the fourth ship of project 20380, the corvette "Rezkiy/Sharp", which is now undergoing mooring trials.

    "The main event of combat training in this period will be the participation of the fleet forces in the strategic command-staff exercise (SKSHU) Vostok-2022," the representative of the Pacific Fleet said.

    https://ria.ru/20220601/flot-1792254576.html

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    Post  franco Wed Jun 01, 2022 1:20 pm

    The dilemma of the Russian fleet: to patch or build?

    I must say right away that there are only five words about Moscow. Just because now this ship will become a symbol. Only not a symbol of the Black Sea Fleet , but a symbol of what is generally happening in the Russian fleet.

    The slap in the face that our fleet received with the Guards missile cruiser Moskva sinking to the bottom is just the beginning. There is no doubt that there will be a sequel, not only for me, but also for people who are much more competent.

    What drowned "Moscow"? Nedoraketa comes from the seventies of the last century? Sadly. A short in the wiring? Sad. Lack of proper training for the crew? Naturally. Everything is in the complex, but the most important part lies in a slightly different plane.

    "Moscow" ruined underrepair. Saving money on repairing an old, rusty, 40 year old ship. The fact that “Moscow” was in a deplorable state was written by many, but who listened to them? Those who saved only listened to themselves. And so the cruiser was patched up. Moreover, not on Zvyozdochka, where there are still personnel capable of working with such ships, but in Sevastopol, at a local plant. It is clear that Crimea needs to be loaded with orders, but...

    Well, the result is logical. The patched ship, despite the promises of the Sevastopol workers that the Moscow would serve for decades, very quickly went to the bottom.

    Who is to blame, who is right, as it was announced, “we will figure it out later”, that is, no one will find out the reasons. And even more so, they will not be brought to the electorate.

    However, the problem is that all our ships that are over 20 years old are in the “Moscow” condition.

    FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/196987-dilemma-rossijskogo-flota-latat-ili-stroit.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  limb Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:21 pm

    franco wrote:The dilemma of the Russian fleet: to patch or build?

    I must say right away that there are only five words about Moscow. Just because now this ship will become a symbol. Only not a symbol of the Black Sea Fleet , but a symbol of what is generally happening in the Russian fleet.

    The slap in the face that our fleet received with the Guards missile cruiser Moskva sinking to the bottom is just the beginning. There is no doubt that there will be a sequel, not only for me, but also for people who are much more competent.

    What drowned "Moscow"? Nedoraketa comes from the seventies of the last century? Sadly. A short in the wiring? Sad. Lack of proper training for the crew? Naturally. Everything is in the complex, but the most important part lies in a slightly different plane.

    "Moscow" ruined underrepair. Saving money on repairing an old, rusty, 40 year old ship. The fact that “Moscow” was in a deplorable state was written by many, but who listened to them? Those who saved only listened to themselves. And so the cruiser was patched up. Moreover, not on Zvyozdochka, where there are still personnel capable of working with such ships, but in Sevastopol, at a local plant. It is clear that Crimea needs to be loaded with orders, but...

    Well, the result is logical. The patched ship, despite the promises of the Sevastopol workers that the Moscow would serve for decades, very quickly went to the bottom.

    Who is to blame, who is right, as it was announced, “we will figure it out later”, that is, no one will find out the reasons. And even more so, they will not be brought to the electorate.

    However, the problem is that all our ships that are over 20 years old are in the “Moscow” condition.

    FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/196987-dilemma-rossijskogo-flota-latat-ili-stroit.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    I thought the udaloys and Peter the great were in good condition. Its a case by case issue. **** penny pinchers though.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Jun 01, 2022 7:41 pm

    franco wrote:The dilemma of the Russian fleet: to patch or build?

    I must say right away that there are only five words about Moscow. Just because now this ship will become a symbol. Only not a symbol of the Black Sea Fleet , but a symbol of what is generally happening in the Russian fleet.

    The slap in the face that our fleet received with the Guards missile cruiser Moskva sinking to the bottom is just the beginning. There is no doubt that there will be a sequel, not only for me, but also for people who are much more competent.

    What drowned "Moscow"? Nedoraketa comes from the seventies of the last century? Sadly. A short in the wiring? Sad. Lack of proper training for the crew? Naturally. Everything is in the complex, but the most important part lies in a slightly different plane.

    "Moscow" ruined underrepair. Saving money on repairing an old, rusty, 40 year old ship. The fact that “Moscow” was in a deplorable state was written by many, but who listened to them? Those who saved only listened to themselves. And so the cruiser was patched up. Moreover, not on Zvyozdochka, where there are still personnel capable of working with such ships, but in Sevastopol, at a local plant. It is clear that Crimea needs to be loaded with orders, but...

    Well, the result is logical. The patched ship, despite the promises of the Sevastopol workers that the Moscow would serve for decades, very quickly went to the bottom.

    Who is to blame, who is right, as it was announced, “we will figure it out later”, that is, no one will find out the reasons. And even more so, they will not be brought to the electorate.

    However, the problem is that all our ships that are over 20 years old are in the “Moscow” condition.

    FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/196987-dilemma-rossijskogo-flota-latat-ili-stroit.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en




    I have never respected topwar.ru, usually garbage.
    The author of this text is not well-intentioned, and it seems to me that he would spit on a special military operation, if he were not afraid for his security.
    Do the Russians have problems with surface warships ? Yes, they do. But this text is rubbish. Almost all ships of the 956 "Sarych" project were withdrawn from use, though the idiot and the writer of the text do not weep for them. Most of the ships of the 956 project have long since been withdrawn from use, except for the "Ushakov" destroyer, although most of them are much younger than the same "Moscow".
    First of all, neither the non-modernized destroyer of project 956 nor the non-modernized large anti-submarine ships of project 1155 have any chance against the corvette of project 20385 on the high seas. The impact of one or two anti-ship missiles 3M54 "Kalibr" or P-800 "Onyx" will blow up either of those two ships.

    At least two more ships of the 1155 project will be modernized, that is, "Chabanenko" and "Vinogradov", while that modernization on "Shaposhnikov" is completed.
    There is too much pathos in the text. Only "Moskva" was not modernized, while "Varyag" was modernized in 2008 and "Ustinov" in 2016. The writer obviously doesn't want to know that.


    Russia has had few "first-class" surface warships in the last 10 years anyway, so the loss of "Moscow" does not change things. Russia will have 4 cruisers again, because "Nakhimov" will return to service soon. Russia's surface fleet has never been impressive and it is obvious that the emphasis is on submarines. And those cruisers of the 1144 project, such as "Nahimov" and "Peter the Great", and "Kuznetsov", are in fact the only ones that deserve the importance of prolonging the operational life. Everything else produced during the Soviet era, as far as surface warships are concerned, can and must be withdrawn from operational use by the end of the next decade.
    All that is needed is that the acceleration of the construction of the frigate of the 22350 (and 22350M) project and the eternal crying for "Moscow" really doesn't make sense.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:07 am

    The Ustinov had a proper upgrade but the Varyag had a refit which I doubt was much better than the one with Moscow. Russia really needs to expand Admiral Gorshkov class frigate production.

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    Post  limb Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:11 am

    lancelot wrote:The Ustinov had a proper upgrade but the Varyag had a refit which I doubt was much better than the one with Moscow. Russia really needs to expand Admiral Gorshkov class frigate production.

    Yeah good luck with that. Isakov still hasn't been launched. Good luck with that crappy reduction gear production capacity.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:25 am

    It is an incredibly complex balance they are walking, but I think the core of the problem is lack of money for the Navy.

    Even in the Black Sea Fleet the Moskva should have been given a decent upgrade even just to get newer weapons systems to sea and operational and to save money trying to keep old systems like OSA in operational service.

    They tested deck mounted TOR systems on the helicopter spaces of new frigates and corvettes... why not use upgrades for testing... at least the defensive systems...

    The suggestion here is the fire control systems of the ship were not properly used because the crew were not fully trained on them... sounds like they are suggesting a wiring problem led to a fire that got out of control...

    The core question of how much do you spend on old ships instead of spending on brand new ships in 8 years time and it is not as easy to answer as some suggest.

    The first Frigates they are building have been slow because their development and production has been hampered by the loss of the producer of their gas turbine engines for ships.... it has taken time and money but they seem to have sorted that issue out, but the result of their testing and use of the already made frigates is a redesign to improve things... until they get that improved design into the water and tested how will they know which ship to put into serial production?

    They don't have the excess cash to burn to just make both or make the bigger one and hope there are no problems with it that might halt serial production and delay everything even longer...

    Experience of scaling the frigate up would be useful for designing their new destroyers and eventually new cruisers.

    Once the design is set in stone they can start serial production at several shipyards and get production going much faster... probably not Chinese fast, but much better than the one at a time prototyping rate they are stuck on now.

    Equally they should have decided on the corvettes they want and gotten those into full serial production at several yards too.

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