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    Post  Azi Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:47 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    My electricity+ gas bills in the UK will go up threefold compared to 2019 .

    As it stand at the moment Russia sold 41% less gas this january than in 2021. Considering that was in the middle of a lockdown it is quite pathetic.
    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-says-gas-exports-down-413-yy-january-2022-02-01/
    The real miracle is that Russia is making more money with less exports X-D hahaha! (Not this example...whole 2021) Due to the idiocracy in european companies and parliaments! They could have GUARANTEED gas exports for a really really fair and moderate price...but NO they want to gamble at the spot market...and they lost.

    Almost all of Russia's export goods have exploded in price, not only oil and gas. Coal, wheat, wood and many more!

    That was the point with NS2! Not Russia wanted NS2...it was the german industry that begged for NS2. They knew Ukraine was not reliable and the transit fee comes on top. So for me this is an interesting point...because Poland, the Baltic countries and USA crying for sanctions against NS2 is not acting against Russia in first line, they primarily sabotage the german economy. This is not what "friends" and "allies" really do to each other.

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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:05 am

    The US is prepared to fight Russia to the last European.

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    Post  Krepost Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:42 am

    Remember Nyash-Myash?

    Putin appoints Natalya Poklonskaya as deputy head of Russia’s cultural exchange agency

    https://tass.com/russia/1396899

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    Rosgvardia's 141th separate motorized infantry regiment "Sever" named after the Akhmat-Khadzhi Kadyrov (father of the Ramzan Kadyrov).

    Apparently this unit has arrived to "staging grounds" near Ukraine.

    No confirmation on location, but it is cool to see the chechen units involved in drills

    They participated in Syria and it is an integrated unit, majority are from Chechnya and Dagestan

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    Post  Singular_Transform Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:43 am

    Azi wrote:
    Singular_Transform wrote:https://tass.com/economy/1396223


    Russia introduces export ban on ammonium nitrate for two months — government


    Just to clarify, the main component of the ammonium nitrate is natural gas (CH4).

    Means this ban will increase the cost of the agricultural works dramatically, at the worst point of time.
    Natural gas is not the main component of ammonium nitrate, but you need natural gas for the energy. Cheap energy is the starting point for the chemical industry!

    By the way...some german and  european companies stopped in 2021 the production of fertilizers and other basic chemical compounds because of exploding energy prices. This was one of the supply chains problems in 2021.

    If Russia is cut from SWIFT and EU will import LNG instead of russian pipeline gas energy costs will double for normal citizens sure...but the energy costs for the chemical industry in EU will not double...they will explode, four to six times higher. The whole supply chain will collapse! It's suicide for EU! Simply suicide, because Asia will face not the same explosion and China will grab all the worldwide market share they can in the time of troubles.

    And by the way...USA will be more or less unaffected! So from my point of view the whole Ukraine crisis is managed by Uncle Sam not only to weaken/destroy Russia but do the same to EU and making the whole EU american slaves for the next 10-20 years.

    You need hydrogen, if the feedstock doesn't contatin any then it needs to be make with example coal gassification.

    It increase dramatically the energy input, and the size of the plant.

    Check bellow, the small area represent the original configuration of the Anju NH3 plant in NK, the later one with coal gassification .


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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:14 am

    https://youtu.be/yw6MM9bKkBQ

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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:05 pm

    Who's unconditionally being asked to surrender?

    HATO has responded to Russian requests for security guarantees by saying it is not Russias business who joins HATO, it is only between HATO and the country in question.

    This will likely result in agreements with Syria and Iran and a range of other countries under threat of attack or interference from the west or in the case of Syria.... occupied territory illegally annexed by Israel...

    Should be interesting times.

    The fear of sanctions is worth more than the life and blood of Russians for a long time now.

    Kool Aide makes you dumb it seems... Russias response to western sanctions has never been any backdown or change in behaviour... and has always been reciprocal sanction measures in response... why would they fear new sanctions... so far they have only made Russia stronger and more independent.

    Disillusioned as any man naturally would be.

    Disillusioned they could not save the Ukraine... the Ukraine was already lost and was no prize in the first place.... they are better off without it... their capacity for hate seems to be many times their capacity to knuckle down and work hard and dig themselves out of poverty.

    I guess Americans will push to the limit and accept Ukraine in NATO regardless.

    The Americans can want Ukraine in HATO all they want but it has to be unanimous... what value does the Ukraine bring to HATO?

    How many F-35s are they going to buy?

    So where did you see they will join NATO?

    It is going to take a very long time before the Ukraine could join HATO...

    Not that it matters... if the US wants to base missiles there they will.... Japan is not part of HATO either...

    Intention and plans change. Like robbing candy from a kid.

    Kiev is candy that Russia never had and you are welcome to it... it is snot flavoured.

    NATzO membership is decided from Washington.

    It is and it isn't... I don't think they will convince the Germans or the French...

    Germany, France, Italy and the rest do not have the independence to say no to Washington's
    dictates.

    Normally you are right, but I think in this case the Ukraine is going to be such a burden it might actually make them reevaluate the role of HATO... the French might leave again...

    Even if they had received a "legally binding" security guarantee (on what court, the U.N? lol1 ) it would be worth a broken penny. But they didn't even get the paper lie.

    Which completely frees their hands to ensure their own security... this marks the end of HATO expanding and Russia responding... Russia is going to start acting in her own interests and complaints from the west will likely include comments like it is no business of HATO or the US...

    If Kiev shells the Crimea, so then all artillery units doing the shelling and those commanders giving the orders will be taken out

    There is no need to go in anywhere.

    Their might be standoff weapon strikes against the command structure that ordered such an attack to make it less likely to happen again... no invasion but as you say they don't need to... nice powerful strikes against Ukrainian military infrastructure should suffice...


    Russia will get sanctioned to hell and back for responding.

    Russia could withdraw from SWIFT itself and NSII could also be closed at the Russian end... watching the EU scramble to get enough energy to continue operating will be amusing...

    Sanctions for responding to Kiev aggression would be a good signal to hammer Kiev as best they can... if you are to get punished for a crime make sure it is a good crime.

    And Zelensky replaced with another amenable puppet ready to do Washington's bidding... including future provocations.

    Who cares... no leader of the Ukraine can solve this... they only have the potential to continue their slow death, or make it a fast suicide and dismemberment.


    The behaviour and pose of Russia changed, and the USA/UK become more hysterical than any time in the past.

    Their tantrums that Russia will invade and all the sanctions they will impose if they do... and then when they get advice that such sanctions would hurt the west more than it would hurt Russia they walk back their talk of sanctions and promise other sanctions that are really strong and will really be effective... because that is why sanctions have never worked before with Russia... they weren't quite hard enough and these new sanctions will do it... Rolling Eyes

    They want the gas flowing through Ukraine and other existing pipelines, not NS2 bypassing Ukraine/Poland. This is elementary stuff.

    The US wants that, the Germans want the opposite... this is more about HATO than anything to do with Russia... does Germany have the balls to stand up to the Americans who want Germany to fund Kiev in gas payments and for the EU to pay more for gas so US gas prices are more competitive.

    If Russia denies gas through the existing pipeline networks... "weaponized it as a response" then the scalation ladder of economic pain comes into play - including the economic nuclear options like getting booted from the swift instead of simply sectoral, bonds etc. It's a pain dial.

    Getting kicked out of SWIFT is already off the table, it would essentially mean the world that buys oil and gas and other things from Russia would need to join their money transfer system which would weaken SWIFT and direct the funds they would make to Russia.

    I suspect their response to such a threat would be to double dare you.

    Do it.

    Still though i am not knowledgeable and certainly dont have the inside track to things so the leaders in Russia might feel it isnt time yet to act.

    There is a clear and significant change in Putin.... it clearly is the time... and the west don't understand yet... but they will work it out.

    He listens to Igor strelkov who seems to think the situation is dire and the people in the kremlin don’t have a solution. He makes some good points.

    Why should we care what this person thinks? Do we care what Navalny thinks? Or how about Zhirinovsky? What about Snowden?

    I rather suspect Igor Strelkov thinks Ukraine is Russia and Ukrainians are Russians and Russia needs to rescue them... sometimes it is hard to let go... if you love someone set them free... if they love you they will come back... wouldn't hold my breath but after a few decades with the US and their country is still a third world shithole... they can either blame the US or Russia or themselves... I suspect Russia will get all the blame of course... which is why Russia has no business going in to save them.

    Safe space advocacy as a result of strong cognitive dissonance...

    Funny... I see in the news Whoopsie Goldberg has said on "The View" that the Holocaust in WWII was not about race and was just white people killing white people.... it seems you are not allowed an opinion and only one view can be presented on The View... love the irony considering her name is Goldberg...

    You all have no fucking idea and you're not the first, nor the last to take a wild guess.....

    Could care less honestly. Your fanboy super hardon for the all powerful west... did you not see the Wizard of Oz... it is all smoke and mirrors... an empty facade... there is no big powerful org that runs everything that plans everything... it is just idiots elected for charisma and not brains and this time around not even that.... Biden got elected because China paid for the election to get rid of Trump and the democraps let him do it because they wanted the same result...

    Israel has more control of international US government policy than US voters do... democracy my arse... money talks and what money says is the people with the most money want more money and screw anyone who gets in their way.

    Anybody wanting change is Putins puppet and a communist... western people are so stupid... some of the present company excepted of course.

    But even Atlasclub recognises the west is broken and feels helpless to do anything so he hard core fanbois it like he is a part of the machine instead of one of the millions of victims like the rest of us.


    Or is this another Van7 account ? Sure looks like it. Isn't multinicking against the rules ?

    No hard rules against it, but I monitor and no... not the same IP location.

    The more western amateurs like him whine that Kremlin didnt enter, the more we can be reassured of the correct decision

    Yeah... when they start saying nice things about Putin and Russia... that is when you worry...

    Ten gold stars for the mp.net mention. Tracking the conflict there was what brought me, via themess, here, and you can blame Papa

    Thank you Papa...

    Turdogan/Turdkey is back on their bullshit, desperate and afraid of their failing economy and has fully ran back in to Uncle Sham's bosom. Time to make some timely phone calls between Cyprus and Greece.

    But is he trying to improve relations with the US or is he just trying to get in the middle to appear relevant and important.... like Germany and France do when they offer to mediate things.

    A true collection of dimwits... well yes close to 99%, and I might be generous on the 1%.

    It is a western habit... focus on the 1% and neglect the rest... with their three jobs they might keep up with rent... or not.

    And by the way...USA will be more or less unaffected! So from my point of view the whole Ukraine crisis is managed by Uncle Sam not only to weaken/destroy Russia but do the same to EU and making the whole EU american slaves for the next 10-20 years.

    Have said it before and will say it again... the only purpose of HATO is to keep the EU and Russia apart... if they got together... what would either need the US for?

    So for me this is an interesting point...because Poland,

    Poland took Gazprom to court over the way the price of gas was calculated... it was based on oil prices and while oil remained cheap so did the gas, but the price of oil started to go up and so did the price of gas so Poland demanded the price calculations for gas be changed... Gazprom refused so Poland took them to a European court and won so Gazprom had to change the way the gas price was calculated, which meant they had to pay Poland back 1.5 billion. Of course with EU countries going for spot prices the price of gas started fluctuating wildly and so since that ruling Poland has paid 4 billion more than it would have paid under the previous gas price calculations and now they are asking Gazprom to go back to the old pricing structure/formula.

    Hilarious.

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    Post  Azi Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:31 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:
    You need hydrogen, if the feedstock doesn't contatin any then it needs to be make with example coal gassification.

    It increase dramatically the energy input, and the size of the plant.

    Check bellow, the small area represent the original configuration of the Anju NH3 plant in NK, the later one with coal gassification .
    Natural gas is needed for heating of reactor. The reactor has a temperature of 350-500 °C the pressure is 80 - 1000 bar...depending on the subprocess. The process is calles "Haber-Bosch process" and it's a high endothermic process.

    The source for hydrogen could be coal gassification, steam reforming or simply hydrolysis from water. Some processes are working directly with water and no natural gas or coal is needed, only some kind of energy source. Most used as the source for hydrogen is steam reforming, it's incredibly cheap compared to other ways. Second is coal gassification (vanishingly small compared to steam reforming). Third source of hydrogen is direct from water the "Fauser process" is actually not in use anymore as I know. Actually they are working on a electrochemical process to create ammonia but it's in a early research state.


    There are many ways and processes in producing ammonia but they all need energy like crazy. One reactor is in average 30 m height and produce 1500 t of ammonia per day. Ammonia synthesis consumes 1.4% of global energy production or 4 % of all natural gas extracted per year. Most efficient reactors need 8 MWh per ton of ammonia produced.


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    Post  sundoesntrise Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:39 pm

    If Russia thinks they'll be left alone or get brownie points for not dealing with Ukraine and letting it go, they're probably mistaken:
    «Blackwater/Academi organizes a private army in Ukraine for operations against Russia

    The CIA and MI6 are reorganizing their networks in Eastern Europe. If after the Second World War they relied on former Nazis in the fight against the USSR, now they support neo-Nazi groups against the Russians.

    In addition to Western investments in the Ukrainian army, there is a $10 billion plan implemented by Eric Prince, founder of the American private military company Blackwater (now renamed Academi), which supplied mercenaries for covert operations (including torture and murder) of the CIA, the Pentagon and the State Department.

    Prince's plan is to create a private army in Ukraine through the Lancaster 6 DMCC company, which he used as a "gasket" to send mercenaries to the Middle East, Africa and the Ukrainian special services.

    It is not yet known what exactly the tasks of the private army created in Ukraine by the founder of Blackwater, apparently with CIA money, will be. But it is possible to foresee that, using Ukraine as their base, mercenaries will conduct covert operations in Europe, Russia and other regions.


    Did some research on the sources. Text comes from the link below, which links to an article from Voltairenet.org. Voltairenet sources its article from a Time Magazine article.

    https://t.me/russtrat/11277»

    https://time.com/6076035/erik-prince-ukraine-private-army/
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:12 pm

    If they think they don't know what they are doing,, then Eric prince has a lot to learn and find out.

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    Post  Singular_Transform Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:30 pm

    Azi wrote:
    Natural gas is needed for heating of reactor. The reactor has a temperature of 350-500 °C the pressure is 80 - 1000 bar...depending on the subprocess. The process is calles "Haber-Bosch process" and it's a high endothermic process.

    The source for hydrogen could be coal gassification, steam reforming or simply hydrolysis from water. Some processes are working directly with water and no natural gas or coal is needed, only some kind of energy source. Most used as the source for hydrogen is steam reforming, it's incredibly cheap compared to other ways. Second is coal gassification (vanishingly small compared to steam reforming). Third source of hydrogen is direct from water the "Fauser process" is actually not in use anymore as I know. Actually they are working on a electrochemical process to create ammonia but it's in a early research state.


    There are many ways and processes in producing ammonia but they all need energy like crazy. One reactor is in average 30 m height and produce 1500 t of ammonia per day. Ammonia synthesis consumes 1.4% of global energy production or 4 % of all natural gas extracted per year. Most efficient reactors need 8 MWh per ton of ammonia produced.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process

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    Any more question ?

    Replacement of methane with example coal will makes the generation of hydrgoen more comlicated and expensive than the Haber process itself.

    The best cheapest simplest hydrogen source is the natural gas ,everythign else way more expensive, complicated and investment intensive.

    Check the pictures that I included for the Anjou NH3 plant in NK.

    The coal gassification unit is bigger than the Haber unit of the plant.

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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:50 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote: If Russia thinks they'll be left alone or get brownie points for not dealing with Ukraine and letting it go, they're probably mistaken:
    «Blackwater/Academi organizes a private army in Ukraine for operations against Russia

    The CIA and MI6 are reorganizing their networks in Eastern Europe. If after the Second World War they relied on former Nazis in the fight against the USSR, now they support neo-Nazi groups against the Russians.

    In addition to Western investments in the Ukrainian army, there is a $10 billion plan implemented by Eric Prince, founder of the American private military company Blackwater (now renamed Academi), which supplied mercenaries for covert operations (including torture and murder) of the CIA, the Pentagon and the State Department.

    Prince's plan is to create a private army in Ukraine through the Lancaster 6 DMCC company, which he used as a "gasket" to send mercenaries to the Middle East, Africa and the Ukrainian special services.

    It is not yet known what exactly the tasks of the private army created in Ukraine by the founder of Blackwater, apparently with CIA money, will be. But it is possible to foresee that, using Ukraine as their base, mercenaries will conduct covert operations in Europe, Russia and other regions.


    Did some research on the sources. Text comes from the link below, which links to an article from Voltairenet.org. Voltairenet sources its article from a Time Magazine article.

    https://t.me/russtrat/11277»

    https://time.com/6076035/erik-prince-ukraine-private-army/

    As if Russia cannot counter this "cunning plan" by additional soldiers, training and equipment for the LDNR army. Whenever I read western analysis it is always
    framed in a vacuum where only the measures and actions of the "good guys" count for anything. This is pathological delusion.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:20 pm

    kvs wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote: If Russia thinks they'll be left alone or get brownie points for not dealing with Ukraine and letting it go, they're probably mistaken:
    «Blackwater/Academi organizes a private army in Ukraine for operations against Russia

    The CIA and MI6 are reorganizing their networks in Eastern Europe. If after the Second World War they relied on former Nazis in the fight against the USSR, now they support neo-Nazi groups against the Russians.

    In addition to Western investments in the Ukrainian army, there is a $10 billion plan implemented by Eric Prince, founder of the American private military company Blackwater (now renamed Academi), which supplied mercenaries for covert operations (including torture and murder) of the CIA, the Pentagon and the State Department.

    Prince's plan is to create a private army in Ukraine through the Lancaster 6 DMCC company, which he used as a "gasket" to send mercenaries to the Middle East, Africa and the Ukrainian special services.

    It is not yet known what exactly the tasks of the private army created in Ukraine by the founder of Blackwater, apparently with CIA money, will be. But it is possible to foresee that, using Ukraine as their base, mercenaries will conduct covert operations in Europe, Russia and other regions.


    Did some research on the sources. Text comes from the link below, which links to an article from Voltairenet.org. Voltairenet sources its article from a Time Magazine article.

    https://t.me/russtrat/11277»

    https://time.com/6076035/erik-prince-ukraine-private-army/

    As if Russia cannot counter this "cunning plan" by additional soldiers, training and equipment for the LDNR army.   Whenever I read western analysis it is always
    framed in a vacuum where only the measures and actions of the "good guys" count for anything.   This is pathological delusion.  


    Not to mention that the west outs itself when they talk about this and it actually aids the Russian's in that:
    1) They can use it as an excuse and cannot say its Russian propaganda since the western media is talking about it. Breaks the Minsk agreements and what not.
    2) They give away their plans like some kind of evil bond villan. If the Russian intelligence agencies didn't know then, they do now thanks to western media (we all know Russian intelligence was aware of this).
    3) Doesnt change anything. See results in the middle east where mercenaries are used everywhere and just made matters worst.

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    Post  par far Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:49 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote: If Russia thinks they'll be left alone or get brownie points for not dealing with Ukraine and letting it go, they're probably mistaken:
    «Blackwater/Academi organizes a private army in Ukraine for operations against Russia

    The CIA and MI6 are reorganizing their networks in Eastern Europe. If after the Second World War they relied on former Nazis in the fight against the USSR, now they support neo-Nazi groups against the Russians.

    In addition to Western investments in the Ukrainian army, there is a $10 billion plan implemented by Eric Prince, founder of the American private military company Blackwater (now renamed Academi), which supplied mercenaries for covert operations (including torture and murder) of the CIA, the Pentagon and the State Department.

    Prince's plan is to create a private army in Ukraine through the Lancaster 6 DMCC company, which he used as a "gasket" to send mercenaries to the Middle East, Africa and the Ukrainian special services.

    It is not yet known what exactly the tasks of the private army created in Ukraine by the founder of Blackwater, apparently with CIA money, will be. But it is possible to foresee that, using Ukraine as their base, mercenaries will conduct covert operations in Europe, Russia and other regions.


    Did some research on the sources. Text comes from the link below, which links to an article from Voltairenet.org. Voltairenet sources its article from a Time Magazine article.

    https://t.me/russtrat/11277»

    https://time.com/6076035/erik-prince-ukraine-private-army/


    What happened during 2015 in Debaltseve? The west had to come to Moscow, to beg to let their mercenaries, leave in one piece. This time the western mercenaries might not be so lucky.

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    Post  par far Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:51 pm

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    The 120,000 Ukizes are just freezing their asses off.

    Erdog will run to whoever throws him a treat.

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:34 pm

    120,000, I sure would llike, the TOS-2 systems to be used I think 60,000 square meters is enough for 120,000 from one volley
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:30 pm

    Where's a horse to kick this 'nutter' in the nuts again?

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    Turdogan at a meeting with Zelensky: Turkey supports Ukraine's sovereignty over Crimea

    This pompous bloviating hypocritical cock-sucker is the last person we need to hear talking about sovereignty over disputed territory! Rolling Eyes clown

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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:40 pm

    His support for the Khuyiv regime proves he could care less about Crimean Tatars. Crimean Tatars have not had it as good as they
    had after 2014 during the whole Ukrian occupation period. Naturally, NATzO hate propagandists were trying to paint their "plight"
    after 2014 as akin to genocide.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:45 pm

    kvs wrote:His support for the Khuyiv regime proves he could care less about Crimean Tatars.   Crimean Tatars have not had it as good as they
    had after 2014 during the whole Ukrian occupation period.   Naturally, NATzO hate propagandists were trying to paint their "plight"
    after 2014 as akin to genocide.


    It could be worse, the Tatars could be experiencing what the average Turkish citizen is currently experiencing, and I'm not even talking about their 'non-citizens' that live in the south-east!
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    Post  littlerabbit Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:54 pm


    Very interesting statement of Ukrainian general, you can translate it in English. Exclamation


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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:04 pm

    littlerabbit wrote:
    Very interesting statement of Ukrainian general, you can translate it in English.  Exclamation



    Was done already a few pages back:

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8696p800-the-situation-in-the-ukraine-31#356580
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:20 pm

    lol1 Razz Embarassed clown pwnd


    What they also don't realize is the name 'Russia' is derived from the 'Rus' portion of the name 'Kievan Rus.'

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    Post  Singular_Transform Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:25 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:It's a simple equation.

    It does not matter if Russia can destroy Ukraine. It's a given.

    What matters is how costly (politically, economically, militarily) and complex the operation to do so becomes.

    The more Ukraine beefs up and transforms as an anti-Russian bulwark, the harder it's to achieve a quick, clean victory and push for any meaningful change on the ground... the more it will take to even settle for just saving the Donbass.


    Russia already turning the screws.

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/production/gazprom-hits-poland-with-fresh-arbitration-claim/2-1-1146501

    Gazprom export down by 41%, Chinese export up by 150%.

    And it is just the begining.


    Waiting for the Chinese steps.

    If they choose to get into central america it will be most likelly with coordination and help From China.

    Cuba/Venezuela/Nikarague can only benefit from it.

    At the moment the EU and germany feeling the heat, I am sure your troll inside accept the BBC propaganda by face value, but it hasn't change the fact - the Russians are in the controlling position.

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    Post  Azi Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:07 pm

    Singular_Transform wrote:Any more question ?

    Replacement of methane with example coal will makes the generation of hydrgoen more comlicated and expensive than the Haber process itself.

    The best cheapest simplest hydrogen source is the natural gas ,everythign else way more expensive, complicated and investment intensive.

    Check the pictures that I included for the Anjou NH3 plant in NK.

    The coal gassification unit is bigger than the Haber unit of the plant.
    Em...yes and no...not 100 % exactly ;D haha!

    Only 48 % of hydrogen is produced from natural gas, other sources are oil and coal....electrolysis only 4 %. Of course hydrogen is needed that's true...but the main factor in Haber-Bosch process is energy, because creating ammonia from nitrogen and hydrogen is a highly endothermic process.

    The first factories creating ammonia in Haber-Bosch process used syngas (or called towngas). Syngas is a mix of hydrogen and carbon monoxid. Syngas in the past was created from coal and oil. The chemical plants where syngas was produced were really huge and not so far away from urban areas/city centers...the syngas was used in bigger cities for lanterns because syngas burns very bright (before electricity). By the way...syngas is highly toxic (Carbon monoxide).
    The infrastructure for natural gas was built much later. During the 50ies and 60ies the natural gas pipeline web in USA was built. The piplines in europe were built beginning from 60ies to 80ies.

    Hey ;D don't laugh about NK factory...it's maybe huge but it produce for what it was built for...ammonia! North Korea has plenty of coal but natural gas and oil is not so abundant Sad they are forced to do this.

    Fun fact...I'm a chemist and I know from my company that we have in Germany problems with supply chain and with energy costs. It's not critical for us (we produce coatings for automotive industry) but other companies have really problems in Germany/EU. The price for energy is exploding and the main source for energy in chemical industry in Germany is natural gas. In Germany many aluminium smelters closed 2021, because of high energy, the same for ammonium nitrate fertilizer. I'm not sure if they just stopped the production forever or just for a short period.

    ---

    The most important question now is...

    What are the energy prices in Russia??? Are they coupled or decoupled to world market prices. If they are decoupled they will have a huge competitive advantage. Russian chemical industry can flourish in just a few years, more than it's doing now.

    Maybe I will move to Russia soon!? pirat


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