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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:14 am

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    Hashem Al-Haidari: The war is just beginning. After Syria, it's Iraq's turn

    As for the events in Syria, it should be said that this is still the beginning of the war. Two or three months ago, I said in my speeches that after Lebanon, it will be Syria's turn, and after Syria, it will be Iraq's turn.

    We are facing a major war in Iraq. The largest American embassy in the world is the American embassy in Baghdad. They must be expelled.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:15 am

    Russkie have this thing settled with the Turks, which is rather clear - just check the flight routes of their cargo planes.
    All passing Turkey airspace.
    How the army is collapsing? The same way that Afghanian did - probably the regime lost the hearts and minds of its population - which is not hard to believe considering that almost a decade passed without any serious living condition improvement.
    I have one thought on the matter.
    Back in 2015, Russkie have won Syrie and lost Ukraine.
    This time it looks like they have made the other choice.

    There is no reason for Russia to have made any sort of deal with the Turks (and by extension the US, Israel) on giving up Syria

    In return for what?

    Russia is under attack and it makes no sense to give up any positions. The Ukraine - Russia will win anyway. In Syria all Russia would have had to do is preserve the status quo. If it was not up to Russia, then that's a different matter.

    And why in any case, would Russia settling anything with Turkey, cause the Syrian army to stand down and be told to retreat, Assad to disappear, the Syrian government defecting and so on?
    What would the Syrians themselves get out of such an arrangement? What would Iran? Hezbollah is now completely cut off. And you can forget about Gaza.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:16 am

    In return for what?

    An enclave in Latakia, perhaps?
    Just wait and see.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:23 am

    It will be interesting to see if this affair, combined with Nagorno-Karabah will leave Russia with image of someone that is abandoning their allies (even if in this thing Iran is a main one to blame) when they need help most. It might resonate badly among Global South countries.
    Also, eventual loss of Hmeimim and Tartus will make them lose presence in Mediterranean and make logistics for supporting African affairs much harder.

    Russia didn't abandon anyone, it's rather a Russian ally which fell apart and sold out with the slightest shove

    I'm convinced the 15k rebel force wasn't the main driving force. They just flooded into areas that were already betrayed weeks if not months before.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:25 am




    Iran / Russia and China : ( 1 ) Recognise Kurdistan in defunct Syria . ( 2 ) Establish Alawistan along the coast . ( 3 ) Drive out Turks / Israelis from Caucasus by any means possible . ( 4 ) Drive out Turks from Iraq , central Asia and China . Defeat this NATO proxy Turkish takfiri terrorists .

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:33 am

    1.Most of the militants are aware that they did 99% of the work in the last Syrian civil war which got them pushed to extinction before, so its enough to be a traumatizing experience they dont want to relive and lose everything again.
    2.The SDF might be a bigger priority than to deal with the Russians.
    3. They know the Russians are not like the SAA, they actually fight, attacking their bases might give Russians a geopolitical excuse to send their forces through iran and iraq to **** the euros from getting their gas pipeline from the UAE through syria and Turkey.
    4. Russians can be used as a blackmail tool to the west from ordering them around.
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:47 am

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    THE ART OF THE - SYRIAN - DEAL

    Old-school former Deep State high-level source. Never failed me:

    "There was a deal. Washington gets to do what it wants in the Middle East, Russia gets Ukraine. The new Washington has shown exceptional skill."

    Facts will confirm it - or not.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:51 am

    Iran / Russia and China : ( 1 ) Recognise Kurdistan in defunct Syria . ( 2 ) Establish Alawistan along the coast . ( 3 ) Drive out Turks / Israelis from Caucasus by any means possible . ( 4 ) Drive out Turks from Iraq , central Asia and China . Defeat this NATO proxy Turkish takfiri terrorists .

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    Those who don't fight lose everything. We saw it with Yanukovich and we saw it with the Syrians now. You have to defend yourself, proactively if need be.

    Iran was complaining to Russia and China a couple of months ago that they weren't doing enough to help the Palestinians.

    Well now the Palestinians are on their own and not even Iran can help them. Iran was looking the wrong way.

    And it's time for Iran to step up. And Russia to step up with it. This is no time to take the slap in good humour and go drinking together the next day. Russia can't afford to do nothing and make some sort of deal on keeping Tartus or whatever. It will in any case be evicted from there sooner or later. And now Iran is exposed and by extension the BRICS.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:55 am

    >Why would the West and Israel allow Russia to keep the coastal part of Syria (which by Russia's point of view was the only valuable part of Syria for them)?
    Leaving it intact means the Russians have something to lose. A leverage. Take it away and the silk gloves will be replaced by a sledgehammer.

    Russia can easily re-start providing ISR on gulf energy facilities to the houthis for one. The Kurds can be supplied with whatever they need to carve out a state of their own.




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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 08, 2024 10:56 am

    @RealPepeEscobar
    THE ART OF THE - SYRIAN - DEAL

    Old-school former Deep State high-level source. Never failed me:

    "There was a deal. Washington gets to do what it wants in the Middle East, Russia gets Ukraine. The new Washington has shown exceptional skill."

    Facts will confirm it - or not.
    https://x.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1865688782290165964

    I expected this NATO psyops theory to start getting churned out right about now but to me there are two major problems with it:

    1. Russia will get the Ukraine anyway
    2. What do the Syrians and Iranians get out of the deal enough to convince them to fall over dead or surrender without resistance?

    Actually another problem as well. Russia will never trust the West on either this proposition or any other without the West going through on its side of the bargain first.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Dec 08, 2024 11:19 am

    In Syria there was some kind of agreement, which we are not aware of.
    The situation had been under control for years.
    The SAA had fought and stopped the terrorists.
    For some reason, overnight, the armed opposition was reactivated (supposedly with support from Israel, Turkey and the USA) and Assad's army did not resist.
    There were no major battles, except in the media.
    Something similar to Gaddafi's Libya. Rebels with few weapons, advancing while being filmed by the Western media, the Libyan army is destroyed from the air by NATO and its government is disintegrating.
    The only thing is that in this case, Syria had air superiority, even with the support of a Power like Russia.
    In this case, it should be noted that the rebels are suddenly giving a moderate speech, to be on good terms with all sectors.
    We will have to see what happens in the area of ​​the Russian bases and with the Iranian advisors who are in Syria. What we see is that there was some kind of agreement between the Russians, Iranians, Turks and some Syrian leaders (political and military).


    Cool

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 08, 2024 11:32 am

    Russia will never play aggressively or dirty to a point that Americans do.  Not under Putin and current leadership.    And if they want to win this  war in all but name by NATO against Russia.   This is what they will have to do.

    Russia should not turn into the US or that means they have lost... their soul.... like the west has...

    You make it sound like Russia has to defeat the west everywhere... it doesn't.

    Russia tried to save Syria but if Syria does not want to save itself what can it do?

    Armenia is probably already lost too but they were a pain in the arse anyway... near impossible to reach from a Russian perspective, so if they think their future is with the Europeans and America then that makes it much easier to cut them loose.

    These terrorists will be full of themselves and will commit abuses and crimes against the people of Syria and likely attack Iran and Iraq eventually too.

    The west has a history of funding scum that eventually turns on them... Osama Bin Laden was a CIA tool that was supposed to destroy the Soviets in  Afghanistan.... instead he struck at the heart of America... he actually hit the Pentagon and some commercial buildings in NY... even changed the skyline there.... a fantastic investment for US taxpayers, but they are so ilinformed they have no idea that before he was enemy number one he was your top guy fighting the Rooskies.

    BTW I would suggest the days of concessions from Putin are long gone... note they have not approached the west with any peace deals at all and have said for western proposals to be considered they need to make a few concessions... but that is never going to happen so peace talks are unlikely.

    Interesting to see all the hohol fans feasting here on their hollow victory

    Nothing gets them more revved up really... excellent distraction from what is happening in the Ukraine really.

    Finnish media claims that Assad is most likely dead.

    Who cares what Finnish media says... these rebels want peace and democracy and really care about human rights..... these are the HATO supported moderate terrorists they keep talking about and keep trying to sell to the western audiences.

    It will be interesting to see if this affair, combined with Nagorno-Karabah will leave Russia with image of someone that is abandoning their allies (even if in this thing Iran is a main one to blame) when they need help most. It might resonate badly among Global South countries.

    Western funded terrorists can't be stopped by air power, the global south make up their own minds and are not limited to western media sources.

    The global south understand this is Israel and the US destroying yet another country and subjecting its people to the horrors of occupation by a foreign power that hates them.

    Eventually the western driven bullshit propaganda can be replaced with decent information... it might be most of the same information but I rather doubt it because western propaganda is just bullshit to make their little attack bots dance... we have seen them dancing and crowing on this thread.

    Half are fins and half are serbs and an american too, their morality is as dubious as their stability and emotional state.

    BTW those suggesting this was agreed to in advance, how could Russia make any agreements at all with the US or Israel or even Turkey for that matter... they all seem to be incapable of agreements.

    An example would be if the US said... let us take Assad and Syria and you can have all of the Ukraine.... how could Putin possibly trust them to keep their word?

    The Istanbul agreements led to Russia withdrawing its forces from Kiev and was supposed to be part of a peace deal that the Ukrainians then ignored.

    Maybe Russia should target military facilities in Israel with Hazelnut?

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Dec 08, 2024 11:37 am

    It is not Russia's responsibility to fight wars for other countries.

    Furthermore if Assad is not supported by his citizens, Russia has no interest to keep him in power.

    And it is difficult and expensive to continuously supply a fighting force in Syria so far away from Russia.


    Ukraine is a completely different matter. It is right next to Russia. There is no need to get help from other countries to reach the war zones there.

    After Novorossia and Malorossia will be included into Russia it will not be anymore a costly and difficult occupation, but an integrated part of the country directly connected with the rest of Russia. It is totally different than Syrian case.

    We will see what happens with Laodicea (Latakia) and Tartus. In case the people there don't want to have anything to do with either the remains of the old government and the terrorists, a new small country can be cut for them.

    I am not sure that the terrorists will be able to manage a working country. And we have seen already in Afghanistan that after all chaos started by US, the new Islamist government is readier to work with Russia than with US.

    Anyway the terrorists will soon turn their attention on the Kurds. American will probably want to keep their bases in the east of the country... Who knows if the terrorists want to do that as well. It would not be the first time that American trained and sponsored terrorists turn against them afterwards...

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 08, 2024 11:44 am

    In Syria there was some kind of agreement, which we are not aware of.
    The situation had been under control for years.
    The SAA had fought and stopped the terrorists.
    For some reason, overnight, the armed opposition was reactivated (supposedly with support from Israel, Turkey and the USA) and Assad's army did not resist.
    There were no major battles, except in the media.
    Something similar to Gaddafi's Libya. Rebels with few weapons, advancing while being filmed by the Western media, the Libyan army is destroyed from the air by NATO and its government is disintegrating.
    The only thing is that in this case, Syria had air superiority, even with the support of a Power like Russia.
    In this case, it should be noted that the rebels are suddenly giving a moderate speech, to be on good terms with all sectors.
    We will have to see what happens in the area of ​​the Russian bases and with the Iranian advisors who are in Syria. What we see is that there was some kind of agreement between the Russians, Iranians, Turks and some Syrian leaders (political and military).

    Cool

    I think it's more the case that Erdogan is presenting Russia and Iran with a fait accompli. It makes no sense for Russia and Iran to sell out Assad. And the pull-up of pro-Iranian forces in Iraq to the Syrian border and RuAF strikes against the Islamists from the beginning is more evidence for the matter.

    Now that Russia and Iran are playing along with Erdogan, at least for now, and treating him civilly is another matter. They need time to come up with a plan and some decisions, everyone seems to have been taken by surprise.

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    Post  Arctic_Fox Sun Dec 08, 2024 11:59 am

    Just imagine how many more Arabs will storm Europe's borders now, Jesus Christ.  No way this not made on purpose.

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    Post  zorobabel Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:11 pm

    Latakia fell to rebels
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:17 pm

    >Just imagine how many more Arabs will storm Europe's borders now, Jesus Christ.  No way this not made on purpose
    Not just Europe, America too.

    Papa, Sieg and Caveat will finally have the opportunity of a lifetime to practice their dick sucking skills on real Arabs. I`m so happy for them I could cry. Razz

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    Post  zorobabel Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:24 pm

    I don't think there was any grand scheme or betrayal.

    Assad would have fallen in 2015 without the intervention of Russia. The years of sanctions did their work. Assad simply had no resources to maintain the apparatus.

    Russia no longer has the desire to devote significant resources to Syria, nor does Iran have the ability to after the near destruction of Hezbollah.

    So, Assad fell after he lost the major part of his foreign backing.

    Of course there was an agreement, to the extent there is an agreement between winners and losers. Turkey and Russia have their working relationship, and both understand that might makes right.

    Lesson learned: Russia has to smash Ukraine and win the war, or the GAE will always be waiting for a momentary weakness to pounce. No incremental gains, no frozen conflict.

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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:27 pm

    The decision wasn't made by Assad but it was made for him, honestly it's hard not to think of the blood that was wasted in Syria, Syrian, Russian, Iranian blood and for what.

    It seems many in the government were aware of what was to take place weeks before and even months
    -  Assad visiting major Arab countries in the last year
    - closing the Yemeni embassy to reopen the Saudi one in Oct 2023
    - demobilizing the army since 2020, israeli airstrikes intensified leading to high causalities never seen since 2019
    - ISIS and HTS IED and drone attacks
    - Army ordered to stand down and battles were mostly media fakes.
    - Sanctions worked and cut deep,the state was bankrupt and demoralized

    Russia saw the writing on the wall and tbh they can't do much, an Army that is not ordered to fight and isn't willing (perhaps can't), Bombing runs at that stage is pointless, it certainly is an L and will probably eject Russia from the middle east, If Syria turns into Libya where every faction fights the other while israel takes more land or it turns into a puppet state for NATO like jordan, good riddance, Iran seems to be the biggest loser and all the iranians who fought and died are gone to waste as well, one thing Russia should not only learn but replicate, the enemy doesn't play by the rules, neither should you..

    Hopefully now all the oppressed Syrians living in western countries deport themselves. now they can return to their free county at last, i'm sure they're eager to do so santa

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:38 pm

    Just imagine how many more Arabs will storm Europe's borders now, Jesus Christ.  No way this not made on purpose.

    It is also possible that this will bring nationalist parties to power in some European countries, causing a Mass deportation of all refugees.

    By the way, now I expect all people which left Syria because of Assad regime to come back to their country without staying in EU.

    This will be an occasion to send back all fake Syrians which came here.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Dec 08, 2024 1:56 pm

    ❗🇷🇺/🇸🇾 Statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry:

    'We are following the dramatic events in Syria with extreme concern. As a result of negotiations between Bashar al-Assad and a number of participants in the armed conflict in the Syrian Arab Republic, he decided to leave the presidential post and left the country, giving instructions to transfer power peacefully

    Russia did not participate in these negotiations. At the same time, we appeal to all parties involved with a strong call to renounce the use of violence and resolve all governance issues by political means.

    In this regard, the Russian Federation is in contact with all groups of the Syrian opposition. We call for respect for the opinions of all ethno-confessional forces of Syrian society, and support efforts to establish an inclusive political process based on the unanimously adopted UN Security Council Resolution 2254.

    We expect that these approaches will be taken into account by the UN and all interested players, including in the context of the implementation of the initiative of the UN Secretary General's Special Representative for Syria, Georg Pedersen, to urgently organize inter-Syrian inclusive negotiations in Geneva.

    At the same time, all necessary measures are being taken to ensure the safety of our citizens in Syria. Russian military bases in Syria are on high alert. There is currently no serious threat to their security.'

    @Middle_East_Spectator

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:06 pm

    Beyond the results, we must not be angry with the people.
    We must look at the situation in each country before being too critical.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:07 pm

    Ah the name calling, I get your upset that you took a big fat L and got proved wrong
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    Post  George1 Sun Dec 08, 2024 2:07 pm

    From the statements of Russian Foreign Ministry it is clear that Russia also has agreed to the transfer of power

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