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    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 #4

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 04, 2021 7:14 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    kvs wrote:   I also attacked vitamin D as totally useless.  

    Referring to CNN, did you mean to say 'It' rather than "I"?

    Yes, that was a typo. CNN has been on a crusade against vitamin D. It's a "Trump lie" according to them.
    Everyone in the northern latitudes is vitamin deficient in winter. But dark skinned people can be even more
    so at lower latitudes. Apparently Arabic peoples are more vitamin D deficient than Europeans.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:14 pm

    From another ZH comments

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    THe way the adeno virus works is it infects a cell and forces the nucleus of the cell to produce the same coded strand of mRNA that the Pfizer and Moderna carry and deliver through a different method. You can read about it here.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/johnson-johnson-adenovirus-vaccine-explained/vid-20510091

    What's done to the virus is that actually a little genetic snippet is exchanged and placed into the adenovirus that is actually from the COVID virus. It's the section of genetic code that codes for the spike protein.

    It's the section of genetic code that codes for the spike protein


    When the adenovirus infects your cells that section of code(mRNA) is replicated and causes your cell to produce the spike protien.


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    The way I read it, the adenovirus uses the cells to make spike protein, not mRNA. And it doesn't target immune cells, let alone dendritic cells (which are rare). Ordinary cells make the protein and the protein then signals the immune response.

    Note: the snippet added to the adenovirus IS mRNA, so that is involved but not in the same way. It's more like a dead flu virus the way it's used.

    I think. Still working on it.


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    It takes a little bit of understanding of basic cellular biology. The nucleus of your cell contains DNA which determines cell structure and what proteins the cell produce by manufacturing RNA which is released beyond the nuclear membrane and directs the rest of the machinery of the cell in which proteins they produce. DNA in the nucleus produces RNA which then tells the cell which proteins are manufactured. In this case the adenovirus is infecting the cell and modifying the cell nucleus to produce the mRNA sequence that forces the cell to produce the spike protein. A typical virus would modify the cell nucleus to build mRNA to tell the cell to produce more virus. All J&J did was swap out the core code of the adenovirus to produce the mRNA coded for the spike rather than more copies of itself.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/groundbreaking-israeli-study-shows-how-covid-proteins-attack-heart-and-blood-vessels
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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:14 pm

    Sounds strange to me. It makes more sense to have the virus reproduce and kill the cell in the process. But this approach works
    as well. The primary advantage of the adenovirus vector is that it has much less dispersion in the body even if it gets injected into
    the vascular system. This is because the virus vector is much larger than the Pfizer and Moderna nanoparticle vectors and has
    a structured exterior with anchoring proteins that bind to cell receptors.

    There is simply no value from the nanoparticle mRNA "vaccines". They require absurd -80 C storage and do not stay in the muscle
    tissue they are injected. This raises the question what is the agenda of pushing something that is not needed.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:43 am

    Oooops, this was not supposed to be visible, let alone be as clear as this, virtually no COVID but hospitals at capacity for no apparent reason an a clearly defined area of a 1st World country.


    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/11/04/something-very-weird-happening-in-western-australia-hospitals-overwhelmed-vaccinations-continue-but-they-have-no-covid/#more-219578

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:56 am

    I am sure they will squirm their way out of it with some fairy tale.

    I would be wary of peer reviewed literature. The UK doctor I posted before raising the syringe aspiration issue reported some
    study that had the Pfizer vaccine at 50% efficacy in August of 2021 when a Mayo Clinic study, also peer reviewed, had it at 42%
    efficacy in August. I have experience with the peer review process and it is not some sacred filter of truth. You can get idiot
    reviewers that are not even qualified to do a review of your research and need to be educated like children. Naturally they
    just double down and posture so the editor has to step in. My point is that the 50% figure reflects reviewer/editor pressure
    likely funded by Pfizer. Recall that Big Pharma has been corrupting the medical research process for decades. So this is not
    an outlandish inference.

    I expect that there will be some "studies" showing some BS cause in Western Australia. The MSM will not give you any information
    that will reveal the nature of the problem.

    BTW, the hospital overload is not all that sporadic. Scotland saw hospitals with surges of 30% or more in heart related issues.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:32 am

    Another worth listening to, Mike Adams again interviewing a cardioligist.

    Pfizer vaccine affects red blood cells ability to handle oxygen and CO2. This explains a lot.

    https://www.brighteon.com/cda18b38-d71d-4fb3-ac83-be99ff0d3769

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:25 am

    https://www.flemingmethod.com/the-pfizer-vaccine-blood

    Link to the video showing the blood analysis.   Also points out that it is established that the nanoparticle vectors in the mRNA
    vaccines spread through the whole body, including the brain.

    The commentary is that the blood cells may be losing hemoglobin and are clumping. Aside from some molecular process, it is
    possible that the 60 nm nanoparticles (lower end of the size distribution found in the mRNA vaccines) are damaging the roughly
    8 microns wide by 2 microns thick red blood cells. Sub 100 nm particles have a substantial Kelvin curvature effect and rapidly
    increasing Laplace pressure differential with decreasing diameter. Nanoemulsions are known to rupture bacterial cell walls simply
    in account of the Kelvin curvature effect without the need for any chemical properties. What we are seeing in this video is
    this process in action.

    It is also possible that the mRNA vaccine nanoparticles are merging in a disruptive way into the blood cells. So they may not
    be rupturing them but causing cell wall defects. The mRNA released into cytoplasm of the blood cells can have strange effects
    on their functionality since it cannot be treated as a neutral and passive agent. In fact, as linked to research articles at the
    above website, some forms of RNA can act like prions.

    The FDA is a corrupt Big Pharma front.   People can listen to actual experts like Fleming or they can listen to FDA bureaucrats.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:43 am

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    Bros new data from the Netherlands. Excess death is accelerating, all non-Covid related.

    Should we start giving more credit to the up till now pretty outlandish depopulation agenda-theory?

    Winter hasn't even started you.

    Obviously, bytheway, this is all your fault as a dirty nonvaxed unwashed pig and you should be degraded to second or even third class citizen status because of it.

    Science.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:51 am



    Great video from Catherine Austin Fitts on the financial coup behind the Coronavirus.

    She was pretty high up in the Bush Jr. Administration and a senior advisor to Killary. She's very knowledgable concerning economics.

    And Peter McCullough, who is a leading cardiologist in the USA on why he is now advising people to not take the vaccine

    https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unte.html

    EDIT. I can't add youtube videos. I am typing this from my phone. I put [youtube] and [/youtube] before and after the link



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    Post  Mir Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:33 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote:
    Bros new data from the Netherlands. Excess death is accelerating, all non-Covid related.

    Should we start giving more credit to the up till now pretty outlandish depopulation agenda-theory?

    Winter hasn't even started you.

    Obviously, bytheway, this is all your fault as a dirty nonvaxed unwashed pig and you should be degraded to second or even third class citizen status because of it.

    Science.

    Nearly 70% of the Dutch have now been fully vaccinated. No guesses required for the vaccine used.
    Same story from Western Australia - a highly vaccinated population as JohninMK posted above.
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    Post  franco Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:07 pm

    The headquarters named the level of collective immunity to COVID-19 in the Russian Federation


    The level of herd immunity to COVID-19 in Russia is currently 48%. This is stated in the message of the operational headquarters to combat the spread of infection.

    At the same time, the headquarters noted that in the capital, the level of collective immunity to infection is higher - 64%.

    "As of November 5, collective immunity (in Moscow - editor's note) is 64%," the operational headquarters informs.

    Earlier it became known that the Russian government decided to extend the date for the drawing of cash prizes among those vaccinated against COVID-19 until December 31, 2021. The number of winners, who will receive 100 thousand rubles each, was also increased - up to 2 thousand people. ■

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/20211151131-LXU7I.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui
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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 05, 2021 1:37 pm

    sundoesntrise wrote:

    Great video from Catherine Austin Fitts on the financial coup behind the Coronavirus.

    She was pretty high up in the Bush Jr. Administration and a senior advisor to Killary. She's very knowledgable concerning economics.

    And Peter McCullough, who is a leading cardiologist in the USA on why he is now advising people to not take the vaccine

    https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-war-against-therapeutic-nihilism-and-trusted-treatments-vs-unte.html

    Everyone should watch the video at the Rumble link. We see the seminar by a system insider and not some internet tin foil
    hat "conspiracy theorist".

    The spike protein is a deadly agent...
    The gamble that we took was that the vaccine would stay in the arm muscle and not spread to organs another parts of the body...

    And when you get your jab, the incompetent hacks hired to give it don't even aspirate to determine if they hit a vein.

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    Post  franco Fri Nov 05, 2021 2:35 pm

    My shoulder has ached ever since my second jab. Not sure if it was that or arthritis setting in, shoulder was damaged in a car accident 15 years ago.
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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:08 pm

    franco wrote:My shoulder has ached ever since my second jab. Not sure if it was that or arthritis setting in, shoulder was damaged in a car accident 15 years ago.  

    This is characteristic of vascular damage.  One of my family members had to do a lot of physiotherapy after getting a flu vaccine several years ago.
    We suspect that it was not properly injected.  

    Do not attribute the symptoms to other causes.  Vaccination is invasive and damaging.  It is the degree of damage that varies.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:15 pm

    franco wrote:My shoulder has ached ever since my second jab. Not sure if it was that or arthritis setting in, shoulder was damaged in a car accident 15 years ago.  

    I agree with KVS.  Just makes it worst that you are now also very old grandpa.

    Joking aside though, I would ask your doctor if I was you. Just state that you dont know what it is but your shoulder hurts and you are not sure what it is. Make them work for their money.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 05, 2021 5:54 pm

    franco wrote:My shoulder has ached ever since my second jab. Not sure if it was that or arthritis setting in, shoulder was damaged in a car accident 15 years ago.  

    Did it ache before the jab?
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    Post  franco Fri Nov 05, 2021 7:31 pm

    Occasionally with use.
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:54 am

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202110/1237118.shtml

    Why China’s zero-COVID-19 policy deserves defending

    By Eric Sommer

    A number of leading corporate-controlled Western mass media are currently belittling and attacking China's zero-COVID-19 strategy as "authoritarian" and "non-viable." Headlines like this shriek; "How long can China's zero-COVID-19 policy last?," "China's COVID-19-Zero Strategy Risks Leaving It Isolated for Years," "China is policing speech that supports 'living with Covid'." Meanwhile, the COVID-19 death of Colin Powell (who infamously set the stage for the Iraq War with a vial of powder) reminds the world to be skeptical of propaganda aimed at targeted countries.

    Australia's recent abandonment of a policy similar to zero-COVID-19 exemplifies the confused and destructive approach of those who denigrate China's way. Australia has recently announced a new policy of "living with the virus." This allows for infections and deaths to occur rapidly.

    It is now approaching two years since COVID-19 first appeared. In a number of countries including the US, Russia, Brazil, India and EU countries, millions continue to be infected. Large numbers are dying. The worldwide total of infected people is 243 million, with nearly 5 million deaths so far. The daily infection rates are often at or even above the levels during the previous peak times. This would seem to indicate that the pandemic will be a permanent feature of the world if the necessary policies to quell the virus are not adopted.

    A careful analysis based on science and evidence ̶ and not on propaganda ̶ demonstrates that the zero-COVID-19 policy pioneered by China and a few other countries are arguably the only way to end the pandemic. To understand why this is, we need to examine China's approach in the context of the four possible approaches to the pandemic, each of which has been tried in one country or another. These approaches are: 1. herd immunity; 2. mitigation; 3. national elimination; and 4. global eradication.    

    Herd immunity essentially means eliminating mitigation methods or not using any of the mitigation methods to slow down or stop the virus and "letting it rip." This is increasingly the approach of a large number of countries. Even the US, Brazil or EU countries have minimized or eliminated previous mitigation methods. These include compulsory masking, social distancing, closing some but all workplaces, and shuttering schools.  

    In the US, for example, schools are now open for the fall semester and people are pushed back to work. But the infection level is around 100,000 new cases a day, equivalent to the previous peak level when schools were closed last year. Models show that approximately 150,000 more people are expected to die by the end of the year.  

    In countries like the US, it is being argued that if almost everyone is vaccinated, with no other protections, the virus will be stopped except for "breakthrough" infections affecting vaccinated individuals which are called "mild" and falsely presented as harmless. Such so-called mild infections among vaccinated individuals are now increasing worldwide, with 25 to 30 percent of all US infections occurring among vaccinated individuals.  

    In fact, research studies have found that COVID-19 cases, including mild cases, are linked to serious health damage. A large-scale study published in the authoritative British medical journal The Lancet in July this year shows that COVID-19, including "mild" cases or "serious" ones, is linked to a substantial deficit in intelligence. Individuals recovered from COVID-19 were found to have frequently lost between 10 and 1 IQ points, depending on the severity of their previous infections. Brain studies of post-COVID-19 patients reported by Harvard are also showing actual brain damage. Post-COVID-19 ongoing fatigue and tiredness have also been found to be serious common life problems. Organ damage has been reported by both Chinese and Western scientists.

    Mitigation essentially means slowing down the virus spread but not extinguishing it by taking partial measures which can include closing places where people gather in groups like nightclubs and bars, closing some but not all non-essential workplaces, using facial masks, partially or wholly closing schools on a temporary basis.  

    The weakness of this approach is obvious: It can reduce the daily rate of new cases, but does not cut off the chain of transmission but allows for a slower but continuing spread of the virus, which then rebounds to higher infection rates when the measures are relaxed. Moreover, by allowing substantial numbers of people to continue to be infected, it provides human breeding grounds for the evolution of new and possibly even more deadly variants, like Delta.  

    Elimination essentially means eliminating the virus in one country. This involves ensuring that people who have the virus do not come into contacts with those who don't so that the virus has no new hosts and dies out. It entails combining mass vaccinations with temporary lockdowns of all non-essential businesses, temporary closure of all schools, and other places where the virus can be communicated.  

    At the same time, mass testing and tracing of anyone who has had contacts with a new carrier are carried out. As a city or area becomes virus free it must not be connected to areas where the virus is still active and the campaign to quell it is still ongoing. Cities which are cleared can then be reconnected to one another. This can only happen provided that travel restrictions or controls such as testing before travel are imposed in any city where the virus reappears.  

    This, of course, is precisely the method that China has used. This is why China has had 5,000 COVID-19 deaths, yet a country like the US (which tried mitigation and has now essentially opted for herd immunity) has had 700,000 COVID-19 deaths and still climbing.    

    Eradication essentially means eliminating the virus on a world scale, that is, in every country. It might be argued that this is impractical but there is a strong argument that this is the only way to stop the pandemic from continuing indefinitely, with the very real potential for even more infectious and deadly variants. In this approach, countries are cleared step-by-step of the virus, and movements between cleared countries and non-cleared countries (or between safe areas) are stopped or controlled.  

    It's worth noting that while domestic infections are virtually eliminated in China, all of the recent relatively small, sporadic outbreaks have been quelled in China. Even these were started from travelers from other infected countries and regions who brought the virus with them. Hence the argument put forward by China that COVID-19 is a world crisis and only world eradication of the pandemic can stop it.

    It is high time that Western media and political leaders who seek to demonize China's zero-COVID-19 policy consider ending the mass infections, deaths, and health damage to children and adults from long ravaging COVID-19. They must think about adopting zero-COVID-19 policy to end the mayhem in their own countries.
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    Post  andalusia Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:42 pm

    Following his death from Covid-19, former US Secretary of State Colin Powell‘s legacy will be examined by many people for many different reasons. Some will eulogise him as one of America’s top diplomats and presidential advisers. Many more, I suspect, will remember him as the man who lied for his country again, and again, and again.




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    https://www.globalresearch.ca/here-lies-colin-powell-legacy-of-a-war-criminal/5759482



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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:19 am



    CNN is confused how natural immunity is better than vaccine induced partial immunity.   CNN and the clowns who push vax mandates
    are deliberately ignoring the science.   During an infection with the full virus the immune system produces multiple antibody variants
    in a natural selection format to come up with effective ones.   It really is an analogue of evolution with the antibodies being species
    and natural selection being their ability to stop progression of the infection.   The immune system produces not just one antibody
    but a dozen or more that are sufficiently effective.   Having a multiple antibody scheme is an evolutionary feature itself since it
    allows better response to new strains of the same disease.

    For example, the spike protein is already undergoing mutations which frustrate the vaccine induced partial immunity.   A natural
    infection response would have allowed to attack virus antigens that have not mutated or mutated much less.  Every protein
    in a virus does not mutate at the same rate.   And there is selection pressure on the virus as well.

    The notion that some vaccine is superior to an infection in giving the immune system an ability to fight off a disease is pure
    nonsense.  Politically and financially motivated nonsense.  

    The value of drugs such as Ivermectin comes from their action to slow down the virus and allowing the immune system more time
    to evolve better antibodies.   Thanks to their genetic differences all humans have a variation in the responsiveness of their immune
    system.   Some people get over the flu in a day.   Others take a week.   If the virus is deadly, then this is difference between life
    and death.

    The value of vaccines is the priming of the immune system to not having to start from scratch to deal with a novel infection.  
    So this fits in the category of giving the immune system more time to respond.   Vaccines are not cures.   Vaccines which
    use outdated antigen targets are useless.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:34 am

    Do you think COVID is going to be eradicated?
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:24 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Do you think COVID is going to be eradicated?

    No but with luck it will fade into the background.

    Norway has already said that in the future it will be treated as other winter viruses like the flu.

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    Post  Mir Sun Nov 07, 2021 12:48 pm

    Covid is a covert flu. Wink
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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Nov 07, 2021 1:40 pm

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211104/Cuba-reports-924-percent-efficacy-for-3-dose-SOBERANA-02-COVID-19-vaccine.aspx

    Cuba reports 92.4 percent efficacy for 3 dose SOBERANA 02 COVID-19 vaccine

    A new study published on the preprint server medRxiv* describes the results of the safety and efficacy phase trials of a new COVID-19 vaccine from Cuba.

    The current study shows the SOBERANA 02 conjugate vaccine to be safe and effective in preventing severe COVID-19 in adults up to 80 years of age. A VE of over 60% was expected during the period when the ancestral SARS-CoV-2 strain was circulating. However, a VE of 62% was achieved, even during a period when the dominant strain was the Beta SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern (VOC).

    The SARS-CoV-2 Beta strain made up 74% of isolated sequences at the time in Havana. The high VE was observed in spite of the presence of the E484K mutation that confers resistance to neutralizing antibodies in the sera of individuals who have been immunized by natural infection or by vaccination.

    By the time the final analysis was conducted, the Delta VOC was the dominant circulating strain; however, the VE at two doses was 71% at this time. The heterologous three-dose regimen led to VE exceeding 92%, but it still remained high irrespective of VOCs in circulation.

    Even at the two-month mark, the safety profile was impressive, with mild transient local reactions and no serious adverse reactions reported. The third dose of the vaccine had few side effects.

    The final VE comes from the figures compiled 14 days after the last immunization, or 70 days after the first dose with the triple-dose regimen. While this vaccine apparently offered protection against the Beta and Delta VOCs, further work is essential to assess the durability of immunity and the VE for the circulating VOCs.

    “Taken together, our findings indicate that SOBERANA 02 is a promising vaccine that can be used in a two-dose regime or in heterologous three-dose combination with SOBERANA Plus to fight COVID19 pandemic in adults population. According to the safety profile and efficacy, it is a potential vaccine for pediatric age.”

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    Post  Mir Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:07 pm

    The Cuban vaccine was smuggled into South Africa by the military and it erupted into a major scandal. Corruption is the name of the game here and it gives everything the government does a very bad smell unfortunately.

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