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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:16 pm

    How quickly all the child deaths from the flu are forgotten. They were not 10 times less than covid. They were higher.
    Why were there no lockdowns and mandated mRNA "vaccinations" then?

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm

    How many children died from flu during the 2017-2018 season?

    As of April 19, 2019, a total of 186 pediatric deaths had been reported to CDC during the 2017-2018 season. This number exceeds the previously highest number of flu-associated deaths in children reported during a regular flu season (171 during the 2012-2013 season). Approximately 80% of these deaths occurred in children who had not received a flu vaccination this season. For the most recent data and more information visit FluView: Influenza-Associated Pediatric Mortality.

    Since flu-associated deaths in children became a nationally notifiable condition in 2004, the total number of flu-associated deaths among children during one season has ranged from 37 (during the 2011-2012 season) to 186 (during the 2017-18 season, as of April 19, 2019); this excludes the 2009 pandemic, when 358 pediatric deaths from April 15, 2009 through October 2, 2010 were reported to CDC.

    The 80% unvaxxed factoid is irrelevant. Vaccines were not mandated and most people did not bother. So the 80/20 does not
    reflect the value of a vaccine, it reflects the distribution of people who took vaccines. So the flu vaccine basically had zero
    impact on the death rate.

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    Post  Mir Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:40 pm

    "The Bigger the Lie the More Will Believe It"

    That's exactly what's been happening with the covid scam. No matter how much factual data and figures you present - the covert flu will kill us all! Laughing

    Even to this day the so-called covid deaths still doesn't surpass the annual flu deaths before 2020 came around.

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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:41 pm

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

    Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim.

    Their analysis of medical data suggests that boys aged 12 to 15, with no underlying medical conditions, are four to six times more likely to be diagnosed with vaccine-related myocarditis than ending up in hospital with Covid over a four-month period.

    "Think of the children!".

    Gotta love the use of the inflammatory language in this article: "researchers claim". So the MSM and the assorted regime appartchiks do not "claim"?
    They just spread the Gospel of Truth (TM)?

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    Post  Mir Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:47 pm

    And this data has been known since the end of last year yet they have a drive to inject this shit into healthy young kids! dunno
    This is a tragedy in the making and I do hope they will fail miserably in their deliberate efforts to destroy young peoples lives!
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:51 pm

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3154568/zero-covid-still-less-costly-living-it-chinas-top-expert-zhong

    Zero Covid still less costly than living with it, China’s top expert Zhong Nanshan says

    China’s top respiratory diseases expert has defended the country’s zero-Covid strategy against scrutiny from some public health experts, saying it was still less costly than living with the disease and reintroducing restrictions each time outbreaks occurred.

    The country had no option but to aim for zero infections because the coronavirus was replicating quickly and the global death rate of about 2 per cent was unacceptable, Zhong Nanshan said in an interview with CGTN, China’s state-owned international media arm, published late on Monday.

    “Some countries have decided to open up entirely despite still having a few infections,” Zhong said. “That led to a large number of infections in the past two months and they decided to reimpose restrictions. This flip-flopping approach is actually more costly. The psychological impact on citizens and society is greater.”
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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:32 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3154568/zero-covid-still-less-costly-living-it-chinas-top-expert-zhong

    Zero Covid still less costly than living with it, China’s top expert Zhong Nanshan says

    China’s top respiratory diseases expert has defended the country’s zero-Covid strategy against scrutiny from some public health experts, saying it was still less costly than living with the disease and reintroducing restrictions each time outbreaks occurred.

    The country had no option but to aim for zero infections because the coronavirus was replicating quickly and the global death rate of about 2 per cent was unacceptable, Zhong Nanshan said in an interview with CGTN, China’s state-owned international media arm, published late on Monday.

    “Some countries have decided to open up entirely despite still having a few infections,” Zhong said. “That led to a large number of infections in the past two months and they decided to reimpose restrictions. This flip-flopping approach is actually more costly. The psychological impact on citizens and society is greater.”

    Total BS. No airborne RNA virus can be fully eliminated. They mutate faster than any vaccine can be prepared and they mutate within infected people.
    RNA is labile. DNA serves to stabilize RNA by having two symmetric strands. DNA viruses are more easy to "eliminate". The Polio virus is an
    RNA virus but it does not use the lungs as an entry point so it is easier to control. Maybe if it is manipulated enough in some lab it can start using
    the air as a transfer medium. Then it will become endemic. The possibilities are endless.

    This policy is like having zero flu. Since when did China ever have any such policy.

    This should be called covid derangement syndrome.

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:53 pm

    kvs wrote:Since when did China ever have any such policy.  

    From the very beginning. China has been employed strict methods to handle the Covid outbreaks, and at the moment she is named as "the last stronghold of zero covid".

    China also utilized economic rewards and stimulations to encourage the Zero Covid policy. For example at the beginning of the pandemic, China government proclaimed that they will buy all the surplus face masks from the companies, therefore the companies could produce as much as they could to supply the population without any worries.

    And at the moment, China is having a very high economic growth in the world.

    There are a model called "three in-situ working" where the employees were organized to work, eat and sleep at the factories and isolated from outside population, under rigorous conditions of medical safety to prevent the spreading of the virus. The movement of stuffs and humans was monitored closely and sterilization procedures were carried out. Internal group organization and isolation was also carried out to prevent the spread from one group of workers to other groups. This model enable the manufacture and economic activities to carried out during the emergency situation when intense quarantine is a must, at the expense of extra cost for the "armours and shields" against the virus.

    From my knowlege several factories and regions managed to successfully utilize the three in-situ working model and maintain the growth.

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    Post  kvs Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:32 pm



    If the western media is pushing the "vaccines" then you know that they are not to your benefit.
    The deprecation of anti-viral medicine from the propaganda chorus is directed from the people
    that run this whole racket.   You see how the tone changes after the fingers are snapped.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:21 am

    "The Bigger the Lie the More Will Believe It"

    That's exactly what's been happening with the covid scam. No matter how much factual data and figures you present - the covert flu will kill us all! Laughing

    Even to this day the so-called covid deaths still doesn't surpass the annual flu deaths before 2020 came around.

    The punchline to the joke is that the big lie you are claiming you believe is that your government and all other governments around the world want to kill you by forcing you to take a vaccine you think is not properly tested.

    The vaccine is more dangerous than the cure... the virus is just a cold... these are the sort of lies the 1% probably want you to believe because that does thin the population and it also guarantees the virus will continue to be a problem so the 50% of the worlds population who are prepared to take the vaccine will keep spending money so those 1% keep getting richer, while the other 50% keep the virus around... sounds like the 1% will be happy with that.
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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:19 pm



    Who would have thought...

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    Post  Mir Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:44 pm

    Another hairy story from both Pfizer and Moderna >>

    The Moderna and Pfizer vaccine tests were conducted, as customary, with a control group; a group within the trial who were given a placebo and not the test vaccine. However, during the trial -and after the untested vaccines were given emergency use authorization – the vaccine companies conducting the trial decided to break protocol and notify the control group they were not vaccinated. Almost all the control group were then given the vaccine.

    Without a control group there is nothing to compare the vaccinated group against.

    “Dr. Carlos Fierro, who runs the study there, says every participant was called back after the Food and Drug Administration authorized the vaccine.

    “During that visit we discussed the options, which included staying in the study without the vaccine,” he says, “and amazingly there were people — a couple of people — who chose that.”

    He suspects those individuals got spooked by rumors about the vaccine. But everybody else who had the placebo shot went ahead and got the actual vaccine. So now Fierro has essentially no comparison group left for the ongoing study. “It’s a loss from a scientific standpoint, but given the circumstances I think it’s the right thing to do,” he says.

    The final FDA authorization and approval for the vaccines are based on the outcome of these trials. As noted in the example above, the control group was intentionally lost under the auspices of “the right thing to do”, so there is no way for the efficacy, effectiveness or safety of the vaccine itself to be measured.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:46 pm

    What a shit show.

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    Post  Mir Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:07 pm

    Just look at this gem from the EU Parliament by Romanian MEP Terhes!



    astonishing is that not even the EU members of Parliament know the details of the agreements.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:31 pm

    He is right, but he is going to be ignored. As usual the Devil is always in the details. Democracy supposedly exists,
    but in reality the people have no choice because of this and that. Just because some set of clowns gets voted in, that
    does not justify them acting like dictators.

    Anyway, I am happy I have the personal freedom and resources to raise the middle finger to Skippy's regime.

    Down vote this, faggot.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:13 am

    If you really want to get worried watch Mike Adams report yesterday where he describes what a couple of researchers in Sweden seem to have found that the spike protein does.

    Warning, you can't unwatch this.

    https://www.brighteon.com/cb351cd3-6c94-4f2b-a05d-bbda757d4472

    If it is correct it is a good explanation as to what is going on, in particular huge numbers of people going into hospital in the US.

    As per https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/something-really-strange-happening-hospitals-all-over-america

    Do not expect much in the MSN on this.

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:01 am

    JohninMK wrote:If you really want to get worried watch Mike Adams report yesterday where he describes what a couple of researchers in Sweden seem to have found that the spike protein does.

    Warning, you can't unwatch this.

    https://www.brighteon.com/cb351cd3-6c94-4f2b-a05d-bbda757d4472

    If it is correct it is a good explanation as to what is going on, in particular huge numbers of people going into hospital in the US.

    As per https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/something-really-strange-happening-hospitals-all-over-america

    Do not expect much in the MSN on this.

    Here is the article link:

    https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056

    Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) has led
    to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic, severely affecting public
    health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting
    against SARS-CoV-2 infection and directly influences the clinical outcomes of patients.
    Clinical studies have indicated that patients with severe COVID-19 exhibit delayed and
    weak adaptive immune responses; however, the mechanism by which SARS-CoV-2
    impedes adaptive immunity remains unclear. Here, by using an in vitro cell line, we
    report that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair,
    which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically,
    we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair
    by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site.
    Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might
    impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length
    spike-based vaccines.

    Even though this is in vitro and not in vivo, it is still relevant because they are identifying a cell level process and not some organism level one.

    At 30 nm the spike protein can certainly fit into the nucleus in large numbers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_nucleus

    The size of a typical nucleus is 5 microns. A cell nucleus has pores which are 100 nm in diameter so the spike protein does not even have to cross
    a membrane.

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    As two critical host surveillance systems, the immune and DNA repair systems are
    the primary systems that higher organisms rely on for defense against diverse threats and
    tissue homeostasis. Emerging evidence indicates that these two systems are interdependent,
    especially during lymphocyte development and maturation [7]. As one of the major double-
    strand DNA break (DSB) repair pathways, non-homologous end joining (NHEJ) repair
    plays a critical role in lymphocyte–specific recombination–activating gene endonuclease
    (RAG) –mediated V(D)J recombination, which results in a highly diverse repertoire of
    antibodies in B cell and T cell receptors (TCRs) in T cells [8]. For example, loss of function
    of key DNA repair proteins such as ATM, DNA–PKcs, 53BP1, et al., leads to defects
    in the NHEJ repair which inhibit the production of functional B and T cells, leading to
    immunodeficiency [7,9–11]. In contrast, viral infection usually induces DNA damage via
    different mechanisms, such as inducing reactive oxygen species (ROS) production and
    host cell replication stress [12–14]. If DNA damage cannot be properly repaired, it will
    contribute to the amplification of viral infection-induced pathology. Therefore, we aimed to
    investigate whether SARS–CoV–2 proteins hijack the DNA damage repair system, thereby
    affecting adaptive immunity in vitro.

    I would say this paper makes its case.



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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:15 am

    Well this is only regarding western vaccines and not Russian ones so in theory this should mean the US death toll should be orders of magnitude bigger than any other death toll because according to you guys the vaccines should be killing people as well as the virus itself.

    Is there evidence for this?

    From a Pfizer point of view their easiest out clause would be that if someone died after getting a Pfizer jab that they were too late getting it and it was covid that killed them, but for that to be the case the deaths should be increasing with the numbers of people getting vaccinated increasing too...
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:29 am

    GarryB wrote:Well this is only regarding western vaccines and not Russian ones so in theory this should mean the US death toll should be orders of magnitude bigger than any other death toll because according to you guys the vaccines should be killing people as well as the virus itself.

    Is there evidence for this?

    From a Pfizer point of view their easiest out clause would be that if someone died after getting a Pfizer jab that they were too late getting it and it was covid that killed them, but for that to be the case the deaths should be increasing with the numbers of people getting vaccinated increasing too...

    Is the spike protein the same in all vaccines regardless of how they are created?

    Check the ZH link I quoted Garry about unexpected deaths.

    No need for a get out clause, they are protected in Law. Deaths are not dropping as expected and more are dying even tho' fully vaxxed.
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    Post  Mir Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:35 am

    From a Pfizer point of view - they have no liability what so ever. At best you can sue your government for any vaccine related injuries. I suspect children will also start suing their parents on a large scale in the near future.

    Whether the vaccine kills is pretty clear but it is all hidden under the "covid related deaths" atm.

    It's open literature that the mRNA vaccines cause major heart problems in children under 18 - esp boys.

    It is also well known that even during the Pfizer trails that the vaccine showed alarming evidence of pathogenic priming in older adults.

    In fact this effect was well known 50 years ago!

    This issue is well known. Early in the COVID-19 scenario, Dr. Peter Hotez, of Baylor College of Medicine, testified before Congress about the dangers of accelerating coronavirus vaccine development, saying “(The) unique safety problem of coronavirus vaccines” was discovered 50 years ago while developing the Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) vaccine.”

    It's known as “‘paradoxical immune enhancement phenomenon’ which means vaccinated people may still develop the disease, get sicker and die.”

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:04 pm

    The spike protein is indeed the same early 2020 type for all vaccines including the adenovirus vector ones. I was not aware of
    the action of the spike protein inside the cell and its action in the microvascular system is a big problem all by itself. However,
    in both cases we have the issue of how fast the cell dies after being infested with the mRNA. For the adenovirus vaccines
    the adenovirus kills the cell during the mass production process. For the mRNA vaccines we have a distinct mode where only
    the spike protein is produced. The dispersion of an adenovirus vaccine is much more limited than the nanoparticle vector
    mRNA products.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pfizer-covid-vaccine-trial-pathogenic-priming/

    This seems to be the article relevant to Mir's post above. It has relevant research article links. We already had issues with
    SARS vaccines.

    There’s been a serious terminology problem with this issue. The problem, of course, is not “immune enhancement,” which
    sounds like something helpful to the immune system. In fact, it is quite the opposite. The problem is, in reality “disease enhancement”;
    in fact, that is what it was called in the original RSV study. Disease enhancement now appears to be caused by initial exposure to a
    pathogen’s proteins, or parts of proteins, which primes the body to autoimmunity. That is “pathogenic priming.” In COVID-19, every
    protein in the SARS-CoV-2 has at least one epitope that matches human proteins someplace in the human body. About one-third
    of the epitopes in SARS-CoV-2 virus that match human proteins match immune system proteins.

    I already posted a video where there was a clear autoimmune response after the second dose of the Pfizer mRNA concoction.

    Here is the key issue: the nanoparticle vectors used in the mRNA "vaccines" can insert the mRNA in any cell. The PEG-lipid
    outer layer is not receptor specific. Viruses have specialized proteins in their casing such as the spike protein which bind to
    specific structures in the cell wall. For HIV it is the CD4 receptor. For covid it is the ACE2 receptor.






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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:27 pm

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/inventor-mrna-vaccine-covid-vaccines-make-virus-dangerous/

    ADE explains the increasing death rates in high vaccination regions.

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    Post  Mir Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:15 pm

    Equally important in the article is how effective Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine is against the virus. Ivermectin stopped covid in it's tracks in Delhi during India's third out brake. In other areas in India Modi insisted on the jab and it did not work out so well.

    Dr. Pierre Kory told the world on December 8, 2020, that Ivermectin “obliterates” this virus. Obliterate means to decimate, demolish, or annihilate. It means to eliminate or destroy all trace, indication, or significance.

    We should be eternally grateful for alternative news outlets like this. Can you imagine if we only had CNN and Facebook to rely on! Laughing
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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:50 pm

    Ivermectin is a blocker for the virus. Anything that slows its progress gives the immune system an advantage.

    CNN has been whoring for Pfizer and Moderna by spreading libel about people taking Ivermectin. I also attacked
    vitamin D as totally useless. Basically anything Trump and the non woke-tard "left" touched on is treated as
    poison and voodoo. This is why I put quotes around left. Leftists are not supposed to be corporate whores.

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    Post  Mir Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:00 pm

    Our MSM spews exactly the same bs each and every day. Exactly the same script. No debate or any alternative views allowed.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:36 pm

    kvs wrote:   I also attacked vitamin D as totally useless.  

    Referring to CNN, did you mean to say 'It' rather than "I"?

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