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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:56 am

    I assume first naval su-57 aircraft will be land based.

    Wouldn't need much work if they only used them from land bases... they have not announced naval Su-30s... they just bought some and used them from land bases...

    With the single seat/twin seat issue... is there a huge difference in weight?

    Most of the time the single seat is not lighter... it normally just carries more fuel.

    The thing with the new model MiG-29/35s is that there is only the two seat models but you can replace the second cockpit and seat with extra fuel for better range and I guess lighter weight once that extra fuel is burned off.

    One day AI might be good enough to make single seat only aircraft effective but come that day then isn't the age of manned aircraft over completely?

    Extra strengthening in the structure and undercarriage is important for a carrier based aircraft, but it is also quite useful for land based aircraft operating from strips of motorway and is not a terrible thing.

    The structure of the Su-57 already looked rather different from the normal structures and might already be rather strong anyway.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:15 am

    Modern technologies allow Russian pilots to quickly master the Su-57 fighter

    The control system installed in the fighter, which has adaptive properties, ensures comfortable and safe piloting, said the commander of the Air Force Sergey Dronov.

    MOSCOW, August 12. /tass/. Russian pilots are quickly mastering the fifth-generation Su-57 fighter thanks to modern technologies and software and mathematical support. This was announced by the commander of the Russian Air Force, Deputy Commander-in - Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Lieutenant General Sergei Dronov, in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper published on Friday.

    "Thanks to modern technologies and software and mathematical support, the flight crew quickly learns the aircraft, easily adapts to the new tasks that it is able to perform. In the near future, the young flight crew will also start studying the aircraft, which in the future will have to fully realize the inherent combat potential of the Su-57 aircraft, " Dronov said.

    He also noted that the integrated control system installed in the fighter, which has adaptive properties, provides comfortable and safe piloting in a wide range of altitudes and flight speeds. At the same time, the pilot can pay more attention to navigation tasks, information exchange and work with the weapons complex.

    At the moment, in order to gain experience in developing methodological manuals in piloting, navigation and combat use, the flight crew is conducting pilot operation of the Su-57 fighter, Dronov added.

    The Su-57 is a fifth-generation Russian multi-role fighter designed to destroy all types of air, ground and surface targets. It has supersonic cruising speed, in-fuselage armament, radio-absorbing coating, as well as the latest complex of avionics. By the end of 2024, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 22 Su-57s, and by 2028 their number will be increased to 76. The first fighter entered the army in 2020.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Aug 20, 2022 2:58 am

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    UAC is increasing its production capacity to increase the mass production of 5th-generation fighters.

    On August 19, a groundbreaking ceremony for new facilities intended for testing Su-57 systems and equipment was held on the territory of the Yuri Gagarin KnAAZ flight test station.

    The expansion of the production base of the flight test station of the aviation plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur involves the construction of a number of new facilities. First of all, a boathouse for testing avionics, a fuel box and a motor test station will be put into operation. Their construction is carried out at the expense of the United Aircraft Corporation.

    At the groundbreaking ceremony of new buildings in celebration of the Day of the Russian Air Fleet and the 88th anniversary of the formation of the Yuri Gagarin Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant, a commemorative capsule with a message to future generations of aircraft manufacturers in Komsomolsk-on-Amur was placed in the foundation of one of the buildings.

    In addition, KnAAZ will reconstruct its production facilities and expand production as part of the program to increase serial production of 5th-generation fighters. These works will be implemented with funds from the federal budget.

    "With the support of the state, a new building of the flight test station for the Su-57, the third stage of electroplating production will be built on the territory of the Yu. A. Gagarin KnAAZ, and a major reconstruction of the facilities for mechanical processing and heat treatment will begin," said Alexander Pekarsh, Director of the Yu. A. Gagarin KnAAZ.

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    Post  Scorpius Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:01 am

    https://youtu.be/lsV2lluhZtw

    report on the deployment of serial production of the Su-57 at the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
    Bonus: the Su-35S production line allows you to produce more than 30 aircraft per year.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 23, 2022 8:19 am

    Scorpius wrote:https://youtu.be/lsV2lluhZtw

    report on the deployment of serial production of the Su-57 at the plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
    Bonus: the Su-35S production line allows you to produce more than 30 aircraft per year.

    30 per year is a lot.
    Especially if we consider that it is just one line of a particular plant, that runs other lines same time.
    Add to that quite potent Su-34 production, Su-57 that will be gaining speed, Su-30 that is still running, Su-27SM3 that is on it's way, MiGs production caps that exist ... and it turns out that the Russkie can put a 100+ planes yearly, easily. And that is not a big deal for them, oh no ...

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    Post  Scorpius Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:32 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    30 per year is a lot.
    Especially if we consider that it is just one line of a particular plant, that runs other lines same time.
    Add to that quite potent Su-34 production, Su-57 that will be gaining speed, Su-30 that is still running, Su-27SM3 that is on it's way, MiGs production caps that exist ... and it turns out that the Russkie can put a 100+ planes yearly, easily. And that is not a big deal for them, oh no ...

    Back in 2014, 101 new-built combat aircraft were delivered to the army:
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    I will also pay attention to the fact that most likely when they say "more than 30", they mean the number 36.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:44 am

    That is >500 new planes in the last decade.
    With military spending on pair with France/UK.
    That is about the production rate of the Eurofighter in the last 30 years.
    If that does not ring a bell what an actual level of corruption in the west is then nothing will Laughing

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    Post  Scorpius Tue Aug 23, 2022 1:21 pm

    ALAMO wrote:That is >500 new planes in the last decade.
    I think you can safely increase this number by at least 200 more. These are data on the export deliveries of new-built Russian combat aircraft for 2014-2019:
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    To be more precise, only the Su-30 was produced and delivered more than the Eurofighter Typhoon for almost the same production time.

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    Post  Krepost Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:32 am

    Watch in this video the rows of Su-35 and Su-57 being assembled in KNAAZ factory.

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    Post  limb Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:56 am

    Scorpius wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    30 per year is a lot.
    Especially if we consider that it is just one line of a particular plant, that runs other lines same time.
    Add to that quite potent Su-34 production, Su-57 that will be gaining speed, Su-30 that is still running, Su-27SM3 that is on it's way, MiGs production caps that exist ... and it turns out that the Russkie can put a 100+ planes yearly, easily. And that is not a big deal for them, oh no ...

    Back in 2014, 101 new-built combat aircraft were delivered to the army:
    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #8 - Page 15 9486402_original
    I will also pay attention to the fact that most likely when they say "more than 30", they mean the number 36.
    That cant be right. I thought there were more than 3 Su-57s built in 2021, due to enhanced reality technologies and all.
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    Post  Isos Wed Aug 24, 2022 11:35 am

    Those are prototypes su-57. They aren't build on their own production lines but they use su-35 production line to make it.

    That's not something relevent since they can put more money in prototypes to make them. What matter is to see now that they started producing them will it be fast and afordable.
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    Post  Gomig-21 Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:25 pm

    And when is the Izdeliye 30 going to be ready or if it already is being installed in these new, production models.  

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    Post  limb Wed Aug 24, 2022 2:46 pm

    Isos wrote:Those are prototypes su-57. They aren't build on their own production lines but they use su-35 production line to make it.

    That's not something relevent since they can put more money in prototypes to make them. What matter is to see now that they started producing them will it be fast and afordable.

    Are you saying all serially produced Su-57s so far were produced on the Su-35 production line? Does that mean that the Su-57 production line STILL isnt ready? Mad
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Aug 24, 2022 3:27 pm

    Gomig-21 wrote:And when is the Izdeliye 30 going to be ready or if it already is being installed in these new, production models.  

    Those pics are of early T-50 developmental prototypes, specifically airframe #4
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    Post  Isos Wed Aug 24, 2022 4:23 pm

    limb wrote:
    Isos wrote:Those are prototypes su-57. They aren't build on their own production lines but they use su-35 production line to make it.

    That's not something relevent since they can put more money in prototypes to make them. What matter is to see now that they started producing them will it be fast and afordable.

    Are you saying all serially produced Su-57s so far were produced on the Su-35 production line? Does that mean that the Su-57 production line STILL isnt ready? Mad

    No I'm saying that tge su-57 delivered from 2012 to 2019 i that picture are the prototypes and not serial. The umber of delivery for them is irevelent.

    You don't set up a production line for prototypes. You build them by using and adapting the tools you already use. So they may have asked the suppliers to create parts quickly and didn't look at the prices since you can't know the price with no serial production. Su-35's production line was for sure used for them since it's the closest aircraft to su-57.

    As far as I know serial production started in 2020 so that's when the production line was ready.
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    Post  Scorpius Thu Aug 25, 2022 6:30 am

    limb wrote:
    That cant be right. I thought there were more than 3 Su-57s built in 2021, due to enhanced reality technologies and all.
    In this table, only the supply of serial combat aircraft to the troops. Not the number built, but the number transferred.
    for example, the number of Su-57s built is actually 6 units. However, one crashed during testing, and it is not taken into account here, and two more were transferred in 2022, and are also not taken into account in this table. Prototypes of the Su-57 are not taken into account, only serial aircraft that were transferred to the Russian Aerospace Forces.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:23 am

    08/25/2022
    Novosti VPK (news of the military industrial complex)

    The refrigeration center for the chambers for applying radar-absorbing coatings for the Su-57 was put into operation


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    Novosti VPK, 24 August; In the branch of PJSC "UAC" - KnAAZ them. Yu.A. Gagarin (PJSC "UAC" as part of Rostec Group of Companies) held a solemn ceremony of the official commissioning of the refrigeration center of chambers for applying radio-absorbing coatings.

    The need to build the center is due to the climate of the Far East, which is characterized by high temperature and humidity during the hot months of the year. At the same time, in the chambers for applying special coatings, it is necessary to maintain certain parameters of the production environment: temperature, humidity, air flow rate.

    To ensure a year-round and uninterrupted production process in the painting and drying chambers, where the Su-57 is applied with a radar absorbing coating, it was decided to build a modern refrigeration center in addition to the existing facilities.

    Construction and installation works, purchase and installation of equipment, reconstruction and automation of the refrigeration system of the existing supply and exhaust systems were carried out at the United Aircraft Corporation's own funds. From pouring the foundation to the official turnkey commissioning, 14 months have passed.

    The refrigeration center is a separate building with powerful pumps, a cooling tower, refrigerant tanks, an advanced piping system, it can be compared to a huge air conditioner. In summer, it not only cools the air in the RPP application chambers to the required temperature, but also dries it to the required parameters.

    "The new facility, already in trial operation, ensured the successful passage of this summer period. Its appearance expands our capabilities, allows us to fulfill the planned tasks for 2022 and subsequent years without delay," said KnAAZ im. Yu.A.Gagarina Alexander Pekarsh.

    The modern refrigeration center is part of a large program of reconstruction, modernization and construction of new facilities at the KnAAZ flight test station for the expansion of serial production of fifth-generation Su-57 aircraft.

    The message is posted in the public domain on the website of PJSC "UAC".

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    Post  limb Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:10 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    limb wrote:
    That cant be right. I thought there were more than 3 Su-57s built in 2021, due to enhanced reality technologies and all.
    In this table, only the supply of serial combat aircraft to the troops. Not the number built, but the number transferred.
    for example, the number of Su-57s built is actually 6 units. However, one crashed during testing, and it is not taken into account here, and two more were transferred in 2022, and are also not taken into account in this table. Prototypes of the Su-57 are not taken into account, only serial aircraft that were transferred to the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    I cant believe only 2 Su-57s were produced serially fon the new production line for the entire 2021. The number is just too pathetic.

    Lets hope a lot more are built in 2022, oh and as always , with at least 4000-5000 R-77Ms and over 8000 R-74M2s.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:25 pm

    limb wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:
    limb wrote:
    That cant be right. I thought there were more than 3 Su-57s built in 2021, due to enhanced reality technologies and all.
    In this table, only the supply of serial combat aircraft to the troops. Not the number built, but the number transferred.
    for example, the number of Su-57s built is actually 6 units. However, one crashed during testing, and it is not taken into account here, and two more were transferred in 2022, and are also not taken into account in this table. Prototypes of the Su-57 are not taken into account, only serial aircraft that were transferred to the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    I cant believe only 2 Su-57s were produced serially fon the new production line for the entire 2021. The number is just too pathetic.

    Lets hope a lot more are built in 2022, oh and as always , with at least 4000-5000 R-77Ms and over 8000 R-74M2s.

    Your theory has nothing to do with Russian plans, understand that. The Russian plan is 22 planes by the end of 2024. The rest of the 54 aircraft will be delivered after that. And whether the Russians will in the meantime speed up the pace and deliver aircraft earlier, as was the case with the Su-34, remains to be seen.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:18 am

    They have a schedule, the first of anything will have problems and issues that need to be sorted, whether it is ships and submarines or computers or aircraft.

    Obviously something as complex as an aircraft as a very specific schedule for serial production that was devised when it was designed and is based around a specific order of putting the various parts together and then putting more parts on etc... this also has important repercussions if some parts need to be installed and are not ready, but when each piece needed to be ready and in what numbers will have been worked out long ago.

    The point is that the first planes made are always the slowest... the factory itself might work out some short cuts that do not reduce build quality... you have parallel processes that can be done at the same time and in the plan they might have been one after the other, so time saved.

    Innovations in production happen on the production floor during production so while making the first few things they will be looking at the process for ways to make it faster and easier and cheaper... sometimes big savings can be found, but the first few products will have issues that need to be solved... that makes them take longer... but when the problems are identified and quick fixes are applied or solutions found such problems will not hold up production of later products which will go much faster.

    Also after you have made a dozen you get to learn how to do it without referring to instructions and plans.. you get to know what it should look like at each production stage, which makes finding problems easier and production faster.

    When you have a contract to make 70 odd you don't aim to have half made in the first two or three years... you pace yourself and get the first ones right and then you look for ways to make it better and easier and faster and cheaper... there are no prizes for getting them to the customer two years early.... that just means your workforce probably will sit idle for two years while the customer evaluates the products and decides whether they want more and if they do how many more.
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    Post  Gomig-21 Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:59 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Those pics are of early T-50 developmental prototypes, specifically airframe #4

    I understand that just by serial #, just had not seen either of those pics posted on this thread before, certainly not the lower one with the angled exhaust, that's a great pic.

    Not sure what you're implying, not to post older pics?  Just so I know that's all.
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    Post  LMFS Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:34 pm

    The UAC said that the Su-57 can take on some of the functions of the pilot.

    Including-training of weapons
    MOSCOW, September 2. /tass/. Intellectualization of the systems of the fifth-generation Su-57 combat aircraft allows it to take on some of the functions of a pilot, including piloting and preparing for the use of weapons. This was stated during a lecture tour by Yuri Slyusar, General Director of UAC (United Aircraft Corporation, part of Rostec), as part of the Znanie marathon.

    "Another feature that will become more and more significant over time, which will determine the face of not only fifth-generation aircraft, but also subsequent generations , is, of course, high intellectualization of the board, high automation. In fact, the plane [Su-57] is such a "co-pilot" along with the computer that stands on it, which allows the pilot to focus on performing critical functions. The plane takes over piloting, preparing for the use of weapons, and so on, " he said.

    As Alexander added during the tour (last name is not given-approx. TASS), an employee of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, the Su-57 is distinguished from the previous generation of aircraft by the ability to maintain high speed when performing tasks. "If a fourth-generation aircraft lives at subsonic speed most of the time and goes out to perform specific combat missions at supersonic flight speed, then this aircraft is designed for most of its 'life' at supersonic flight speeds, "he said. According to the representative of the Design Bureau, there are no analogues of the Su-57 in Russia, and there are a limited number of them in the world. At the same time, he stressed, the Su-57 is currently undergoing changes, acquiring new properties.

    The Su-57 is designed to destroy all types of air, ground and surface targets. The aircraft has supersonic cruising speed, in-fuselage armament, radio-absorbing coating (stealth technology), as well as the latest complex of avionics.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/15634369

    The test pilot said that the Su-57 fighter allows you to "do everything in the air"

    The aircraft has supersonic cruising speed, in-fuselage armament, radio-absorbing coating
    MOSCOW, September 2. /tass/. The capabilities of the fifth-generation Su-57 fighter make it possible to "do everything in the air". This was stated by a test pilot of the Sukhoi Design Bureau (part of the UAC of Rostec State Corporation). Raphael Suleymanov on Friday during a lecture tour within the framework of the "Knowledge" marathon.

    "Piloting this aircraft is very pleasant and comfortable. It allows you to perform everything in the air. These capabilities, coupled with powerful weapons that allow you to perform tasks both in the air and on the ground, in all weather conditions, day and night, in all latitudes, make it a very powerful weapon in the hands of pilots," said the test pilot.

    Suleymanov also noted that the generations of Su aircraft are very similar to each other. Pilots who fly the Su-35 will be able to fly the fifth-generation fighter without difficulty.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/15633957

    Sixth-generation aircraft will be combined with unmanned and ground-based systems

    UAC General Director Yuri Slyusar said that the Su-57 fighter is a step towards the sixth generation of aircraft, on the basis of which this family can be developed.
    MOSCOW, September 2. /tass/. The sixth-generation combat aircraft will be a network-centric system linked to drones, space and ground-based systems. This was stated during a lecture tour by Yuri Slyusar, General Director of UAC (United Aircraft Corporation, part of Rostec), as part of the Znanie marathon.

    "When we talk about the sixth generation, we say that this is no longer a separate aircraft, < ... > but a whole system of interaction between air, space, land, drones, manned vehicles," he said.

    According to the head of the UAC, the Su-57 fighter is a step in the direction of sixth-generation aircraft, on the basis of which this family can be developed.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/15632979

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    thanks for source LMFS but it gets depressing having to see different tass articles mention more than 5 times that the Su-57 has a co-pilot and all that shit like its brand new information all the time but its just the same exact shit that even I no longer bother posting anymore new Su-57 news articles here knowing they will just put repetitive shit that we all already know about. I miss the 2014 Rostec article that stated himalayas EW would have GaN MMICs, or the diagram images of the 3 stream cycle engines, even some updates on the internal hypersonic air to ground missiles, new air to air missiles, or new avionic changes would have been good info. Nothing against you but just the news agencies posting information.

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