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    VKS Russian Aerospace Forces: News #2

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    Post  ALAMO Wed 01 Jun 2022, 06:48

    caveat emptor wrote:
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    Verbal support or actual support?

    I looked around and they didn't say. But when everything is over they should bring him over to Russia. There might be more like him.

    SBU official is that he asked for Russian citizenship, and expressed the lack of patriotism by other means.
    As Isos pointed out, they are running havoc. Kidnapping is already an old story and boring. Now they arrest random guys who might have any potential value to Russia after the war, and deep fry them in treason oil.
    Later staging an exchange of the chips for propaganda purposes.

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    Post  lancelot Wed 01 Jun 2022, 07:11

    I am fairly sure that Russia would like more talented aircraft engineering talent. But Russia has no shortage of aircraft engineers. And if this guy wanted to bail out from his country (Ukraine), whoever he is, he had a long time to do it.
    Maybe he just does not want to get sent packing to Donbass with an old AK-47 and two clips?

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    Post  ALAMO Wed 01 Jun 2022, 07:53

    It is not about him, but more about the sad reality of 404.
    What sane country would push a procedure of bailing out conscripted men for $5000 apiece, being in the middle of a war they are losing?
    As I have said, nobody who has not observed that with their own eyes would believe in that.
    In 30 years, a story about how you could officially bribe yourself out of war will be an urban legend.
    People will laugh at that.
    But we are witnessing that.

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    Post  lancelot Wed 01 Jun 2022, 17:08

    ALAMO wrote:It is not about him, but more about the sad reality of 404.
    What sane country would push a procedure of bailing out conscripted men for $5000 apiece, being in the middle of a war they are losing?
    As I have said, nobody who has not observed that with their own eyes would believe in that.
    In 30 years, a story about how you could officially bribe yourself out of war will be an urban legend.
    People will laugh at that.  
    But we are witnessing that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

    President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly Irish working-class men who did not want to fight in the Civil War and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $6,600 in 2021) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.
    Murrica.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed 01 Jun 2022, 17:17

    lancelot wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:It is not about him, but more about the sad reality of 404.
    What sane country would push a procedure of bailing out conscripted men for $5000 apiece, being in the middle of a war they are losing?
    As I have said, nobody who has not observed that with their own eyes would believe in that.
    In 30 years, a story about how you could officially bribe yourself out of war will be an urban legend.
    People will laugh at that.  
    But we are witnessing that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

    President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly Irish working-class men who did not want to fight in the Civil War and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $6,600 in 2021) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.
    Murrica.
    It happened in Balkans, as well, but there was not an official law. I believe it is a pretty common thing. Rich people rarely go to war.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed 01 Jun 2022, 19:31

    THat is a different thing folks.
    They could pay for hiring someone to substitute him.
    A well known and established practice in the middle ages, all over Europe.

    But now we are talking about a situation, where one puts a "deposit" and is free to leave the country.
    Sure they were doing that till now either, but that was just a bribe and nobody tried to call it a different name.
    Now, you can bribe the country - in daylight.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu 02 Jun 2022, 01:16

    ALAMO wrote:THat is a different thing folks.
    They could pay for hiring someone to substitute him.
    A well known and established practice in the middle ages, all over Europe.

    But now we are talking about a situation, where one puts a "deposit" and is free to leave the country.
    Sure they were doing that till now either, but that was just a bribe and nobody tried to call it a different name.
    Now, you can bribe the country - in daylight.

    a financial fine means its legal at a price you know Smile
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    Post  ALAMO Thu 02 Jun 2022, 06:39

    That is the point.
    In the middle of a war losing.
    The only thing regime cares about is cash flow.

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