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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:48 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
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    Verbal support or actual support?

    I looked around and they didn't say. But when everything is over they should bring him over to Russia. There might be more like him.

    SBU official is that he asked for Russian citizenship, and expressed the lack of patriotism by other means.
    As Isos pointed out, they are running havoc. Kidnapping is already an old story and boring. Now they arrest random guys who might have any potential value to Russia after the war, and deep fry them in treason oil.
    Later staging an exchange of the chips for propaganda purposes.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Jun 01, 2022 7:11 am

    I am fairly sure that Russia would like more talented aircraft engineering talent. But Russia has no shortage of aircraft engineers. And if this guy wanted to bail out from his country (Ukraine), whoever he is, he had a long time to do it.
    Maybe he just does not want to get sent packing to Donbass with an old AK-47 and two clips?

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jun 01, 2022 7:53 am

    It is not about him, but more about the sad reality of 404.
    What sane country would push a procedure of bailing out conscripted men for $5000 apiece, being in the middle of a war they are losing?
    As I have said, nobody who has not observed that with their own eyes would believe in that.
    In 30 years, a story about how you could officially bribe yourself out of war will be an urban legend.
    People will laugh at that.
    But we are witnessing that.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:08 pm

    ALAMO wrote:It is not about him, but more about the sad reality of 404.
    What sane country would push a procedure of bailing out conscripted men for $5000 apiece, being in the middle of a war they are losing?
    As I have said, nobody who has not observed that with their own eyes would believe in that.
    In 30 years, a story about how you could officially bribe yourself out of war will be an urban legend.
    People will laugh at that.  
    But we are witnessing that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

    President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly Irish working-class men who did not want to fight in the Civil War and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $6,600 in 2021) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.
    Murrica.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:17 pm

    lancelot wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:It is not about him, but more about the sad reality of 404.
    What sane country would push a procedure of bailing out conscripted men for $5000 apiece, being in the middle of a war they are losing?
    As I have said, nobody who has not observed that with their own eyes would believe in that.
    In 30 years, a story about how you could officially bribe yourself out of war will be an urban legend.
    People will laugh at that.  
    But we are witnessing that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

    President Abraham Lincoln diverted several regiments of militia and volunteer troops after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly Irish working-class men who did not want to fight in the Civil War and resented that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 (equivalent to $6,600 in 2021) commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared from the draft.
    Murrica.
    It happened in Balkans, as well, but there was not an official law. I believe it is a pretty common thing. Rich people rarely go to war.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jun 01, 2022 7:31 pm

    THat is a different thing folks.
    They could pay for hiring someone to substitute him.
    A well known and established practice in the middle ages, all over Europe.

    But now we are talking about a situation, where one puts a "deposit" and is free to leave the country.
    Sure they were doing that till now either, but that was just a bribe and nobody tried to call it a different name.
    Now, you can bribe the country - in daylight.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:16 am

    ALAMO wrote:THat is a different thing folks.
    They could pay for hiring someone to substitute him.
    A well known and established practice in the middle ages, all over Europe.

    But now we are talking about a situation, where one puts a "deposit" and is free to leave the country.
    Sure they were doing that till now either, but that was just a bribe and nobody tried to call it a different name.
    Now, you can bribe the country - in daylight.

    a financial fine means its legal at a price you know Smile

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 02, 2022 6:39 am

    That is the point.
    In the middle of a war losing.
    The only thing regime cares about is cash flow.

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    Post  franco Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:46 pm

    In Russia, work is underway on the mass construction of special shelters for military aircraft

    This reform in the domestic Air Force has been expected for more than a decade. And now in Russia, work is underway on the mass construction of special shelters for military aircraft.

    The start of this program was announced in the spring of last year personally by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Sergei Shoigu.

    The fact that close attention has been paid to the problem at the highest level speaks of the urgent need to solve it. According to the plans of the Russian defense department, it was planned to build at least 300 air shelters. First of all, they will be used to store the latest fifth-generation aircraft created by domestic aircraft manufacturers.

    The need for such facilities for our airborne forces has been demonstrated by the Syrian experience. He showed that aircraft must be protected from enemy attack not only in the air, but also on the ground. The Islamists have repeatedly attacked the Russian air base Khmeimim in Syria with the help of drones and even fired at them with mortars.

    In the open air, one ammunition with its fragments is capable of hitting several aircraft at once. If they are covered, then the enemy will have to try hard to damage each piece of equipment.

    But shelters are needed not only to protect against enemy ammunition, but also from adverse weather conditions. Being under a roof, expensive equipment will be less exposed to the vagaries of the weather and will last longer. And the technical staff will work with it easier and more convenient.

    The construction details of such structures are not a military secret, as they were developed back in the 60s of the last century. These are reinforced concrete shelters of arched type. They consist of semi-arches with walls up to 60 cm thick and have metal gates. Outside, the structure is covered with earth and masked with turf, or even planting trees.

    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/200400-v-rossii-vedutsja-raboty-po-massovomu-stroitelstvu-specukrytij-dlja-voennyh-samoletov.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  limb Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:40 am

    franco wrote:In Russia, work is underway on the mass construction of special shelters for military aircraft

    This reform in the domestic Air Force has been expected for more than a decade. And now in Russia, work is underway on the mass construction of special shelters for military aircraft.

    The start of this program was announced in the spring of last year personally by the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Sergei Shoigu.

    The fact that close attention has been paid to the problem at the highest level speaks of the urgent need to solve it. According to the plans of the Russian defense department, it was planned to build at least 300 air shelters. First of all, they will be used to store the latest fifth-generation aircraft created by domestic aircraft manufacturers.

    The need for such facilities for our airborne forces has been demonstrated by the Syrian experience. He showed that aircraft must be protected from enemy attack not only in the air, but also on the ground. The Islamists have repeatedly attacked the Russian air base Khmeimim in Syria with the help of drones and even fired at them with mortars.

    In the open air, one ammunition with its fragments is capable of hitting several aircraft at once. If they are covered, then the enemy will have to try hard to damage each piece of equipment.

    But shelters are needed not only to protect against enemy ammunition, but also from adverse weather conditions. Being under a roof, expensive equipment will be less exposed to the vagaries of the weather and will last longer. And the technical staff will work with it easier and more convenient.

    The construction details of such structures are not a military secret, as they were developed back in the 60s of the last century. These are reinforced concrete shelters of arched type. They consist of semi-arches with walls up to 60 cm thick and have metal gates. Outside, the structure is covered with earth and masked with turf, or even planting trees.

    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/200400-v-rossii-vedutsja-raboty-po-massovomu-stroitelstvu-specukrytij-dlja-voennyh-samoletov.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    Why did it take them 80+ years to reach this conclusion?

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:15 am

    80 years ago you would be spending 100 times more on the hangar than on the planes... now it is the other way around.
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    Post  BliTTzZ Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:55 pm

    limb wrote:Why did it take them 80+ years to reach this conclusion?
    There are many Soviet reinforced concrete shelters, but most of them were built for 3rd generation aircraft like MiG-23 and others. Latest 4th generation Sukhois and even MiG-29s do not fit there.

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    Post  Hole Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:44 pm

    What most people here don´t get is that there is a difference between the flightline, the maintenance area and the dispersal area. The pics of airplanes lined up in the open are from the flightline, there ready to fly and fight aircraft are standing, waiting for the pilot/crews to arrive at a moments notice. There are large hangars in the maintenance area (by the way the hangars build in Syria are mainly to protect technicians from the summer sun) and then there is the dispersal area with hardened aircraft shelters or revetments. The fact that most russian aircraft are parked at the flightline has to do with the fact that we are no longer in the 80´s with 15.000 aircraft and helicopters, back then some regiments got 50 - 60 aircraft, half of which were parked in the dispersal area, some were in the maintenance hangars and the rest was ready to fly.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 18, 2022 6:04 am

    Even just 15 years ago the Russian military had thousands of different problems... all of which seemed they would never get solved and they were stuck with... most of the Russian population were embarrassed by their military and there was not respect from anyone.

    Over the time since then they have totally turned things around and while there are problems that remain they don't include issues like no guided weapons in production, or no thermal imaging or night and all weather sensors available, or no satellite navigation or recon systems operational...

    They had to prioritise... and lets face it... losing some Su-24s is not the worst thing that could have happened... if it really was a precision strike with recon and coordinates from HATO it would have been Su-35s and Su-34s and likely Tu-22M3s they would have been going for... in fact if they had that capacity it would have been the main HQ of the Black Sea Fleet and various critical buildings on that peninsula that are a communications hub for the entire Russian fleet.

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    Post  franco Wed Nov 09, 2022 12:23 pm


    Putin awarded the 277th Bomber Aviation Regiment the honorary name "Guards"


    Russian President Vladimir Putin named the 277th Bomber Aviation Regiment "Guards". This follows from the decree of the head of state, it is published on the portal of legal information.

    As follows from the document, the regiment received the honorary name for heroism and courage, fortitude and courage shown by personnel in combat operations.

    The presidential order came into force on November 9.

    At the end of July, Putin gave the 488th Motorized Rifle Regiment the honorary title of Guards.

    https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/20221191353-TvKzl.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

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    Post  AMCXXL Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:01 pm

    BliTTzZ wrote:
    limb wrote:Why did it take them 80+ years to reach this conclusion?
    There are many Soviet reinforced concrete shelters, but most of them were built for 3rd generation aircraft like MiG-23 and others. Latest 4th generation Sukhois and even MiG-29s do not fit there.

    that depends on the base
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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Nov 17, 2022 8:16 am

    11/17/2022
    TASS

    By the end of the year, more aircraft deliveries are planned to the Russian Aerospace Forces

    VKS Russian Aerospace Forces: News #2 - Page 25 Pervyi10
    The first (in fact, the second) built serial sample of the fifth generation Su-57 fighter with tail number "01 blue" (aircraft T-50S-2, serial number 51002) in a special workshop No. 18 of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin (branch of PJSC "Company" Sukhoi "), 2020.
    Image source: photograph from the factory newspaper of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin


    Now they are in production, according to the government website.

    MOSCOW, 16 November. /TASS/. The Russian Aerospace Forces are expecting another delivery of aircraft by the end of this year, which are now in production, according to the website of the Russian government on Wednesday.

    "We understand the importance of our work to provide the Russian armed forces with the necessary aviation equipment and will continue to fulfill all our obligations. By the end of this year, the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive the next aircraft that are currently in production," Yury, Director General of the Rostec United Aircraft Corporation, is quoted as saying. Slyusar on the website of the Cabinet of Ministers.

    https://vpk.name/news/654372_do_konca_goda_v_vks_rossii_zaplanirovany_eshe_postavki_samoletov.html

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    Post  franco Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:53 pm


    Putin awarded the 23rd Fighter Aviation Regiment the honorary name "Guards"

    Russian President Vladimir Putin conferred the honorary title "Guards" to the 23rd Tallinn Fighter Aviation Regiment. The text of the decree can be read here .

    The honorary title was awarded for mass heroism and courage, fortitude and courage shown by the personnel during the hostilities.

    Earlier it was reported that Putin expelled Nikolai Svanidze from the Human Rights Council under President Nikolai Svanidze and added Alexander Kots, a military commissar.

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