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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:40 am

    Russia should make one big cental aerospace museum to store all that historic stuff

    It's all over the place now, it needs one focal point

    And it should be enclosed

    I like the idea but I think FP is right too... having sites around the place attract tourists to small places people might not otherwise go, so maybe set up a centralised organisation for an aerospace museum that has branches throughout the country in places of significance where this stuff can be saved and people working to save this stuff get support and assistance and the work can be coordinated and funding assistance where needed can be applied for... it could be linked to those patriot parks they have.

    Some could be big and some could be smaller.

    Over time they could organise other things like having something nearby that might appeal more to women so the women can go to that and the men can look at the stuff they are interested, or they can include stuff that has a broader appeal in the places themselves so people with little interest can have fun too.

    If it was sabotage then where's the culprit?

    You mean if it was a mistake where is the culprit. A saboteur is likely to hide evidence that points to them and try to hide their crime making it less likely they are caught.

    Not being able to track him down is again incompetence so we are back to main problem: incompetence

    Not being able to track him down suggests he might have had help, or just was effective in covering his own tracks.

    Shoigu aircraft falling

    I am not opening your links, so you can describe what it is about and we can talk about it, or you are just wasting your own time.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:02 am

    No, there r certain sites I go to regularly.
    A fish usually rots from the head down; I don't see any fault in his conclusions.
    Thx for ur concern, but there r others who do open my links.
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    Post  Isos Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:24 am

    Thx for ur concern, but there r others who do open my links.

    Nope.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:11 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Thx for ur concern, but there r others who do open my links.

    Nope.

    People laugh at Tsavo and his links. Mostly because they represent him, a moron.

    I can easily refute the claims.

    Look at total crashes of Jets per country, total amount of planes and come back to us.

    You will see Russia doesn't have much of a problem. It is one of the biggest countries for military flights. Issues bound to happen. See US and their crash rates as example

    But Tsavo is too stupid to understand that

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:56 pm

    With right leadership & prevention measures, there could & should be less crashes- & that's the bottom line.
    So far this year, 52 civ. & mil. people died there in accidents.
    The civil aviation is dual use & its safe operation is an asset to RF security.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:07 am

    I don't see any fault in his conclusions.

    I don't see any of his reasoning or his conclusions... you could describe them... or there is nothing to discuss.

    With right leadership & prevention measures, there could & should be less crashes- & that's the bottom line.

    Are you joking?

    The leadership of a country has nothing to do with flight accidents or car accidents or accidents with fire arms... why don't you blame the world increase in cancer on Putin too... except it is western companies pumping out shit like Glyphosate that is actually the problem there and of course the snack food industry that puts sugar and fat in everything.

    So far this year, 52 civ. & mil. people died there in accidents.

    Over 40,000 Americans died in car crashes too... must be Bidens fault I guess... that is almost as many as died in the war in Vietnam that took 10 years or more... and how many are dying because of over the counter prescription medication... a hell of a lot more than 40K... but the US government does nothing.... bastards.

    The civil aviation is dual use & its safe operation is an asset to RF security.

    So it is not Putins interests that someone supposed to be getting good wages is not getting good wages, but plane crashes is his problem?

    Like I said... I hope you are joking.

    Enormous effort is going in to aircraft safety... new systems at airports with lasers to detect wind shear and weather features etc etc...

    They investigate accidents and incidents and try to learn and get better... the fact that you think it is just up to Putin and that he should be able to pass laws to prevent air accidents is quite frankly insulting... to our intelligence.

    BTW I watched the promo for the new Top Gun movie and with Tom Cruise flying low and fast through mountains... all I could think of was when that Intruder was flying low and broke the cables on that cable car and murdered 70 or so people... I say murdered because the pilots filmed the flight but destroyed the tape, so it was clearly a crime and they clearly destroyed evidence... which US president was at fault that day?

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:32 am

    [quote="GarryB"]
    I don't see any fault in his conclusions.
    I don't see any of his reasoning or his conclusions... you could describe them... or there is nothing to discuss.
    open the link, google translate- I'm not an interpreter-commentator here.

    With right leadership & prevention measures, there could & should be less crashes- & that's the bottom line.
    The leadership of a country has nothing to do with flight accidents or car accidents or accidents with fire arms...
    below it is the leadership of related industry & mil. commands & units were accidents taken place- that's the 1 was referring to.
    So far this year, 52 civ. & mil. people died there in accidents.
    Over 40,000 Americans died in car crashes too... must be Bidens fault I guess... that is almost as many as died in the war in Vietnam that took 10 years or more... and how many are dying because of over the counter prescription medication... a hell of a lot more than 40K... but the US government does nothing.... bastards.
    so u r suggesting the Russians have nothing to worry about as long as their own accident rate is not above those statistics?
    The civil aviation is dual use & its safe operation is an asset to RF security.
    So it is not Putins interests that someone supposed to be getting good wages is not getting good wages, but plane crashes is his problem?
    I could care less about him; certainly crashes r caused by multiple factors, incl. problems at the top.

    the fact that you think it is just up to Putin and that he should be able to pass laws to prevent air accidents is quite frankly insulting... to our intelligence.
    if u've read the article, u wouldn't be assuming that I think any of the above.

    when that Intruder was flying low and broke the cables on that cable car and murdered 70 or so people... I say murdered because the pilots filmed the flight but destroyed the tape, so it was clearly a crime and they clearly destroyed evidence...  which US president was at fault that day?
    human nature & their culture was at fault.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:39 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I don't see any fault in his conclusions.

    I don't see any of his reasoning or his conclusions... you could describe them... or there is nothing to discuss.




    The author on link was "national democrat" form Russia meaning "Putin is soft and mediocre we need a stronger one" and IMHO was using simple stats to prove assumed thesis and not drawing any concussions from data.


    There are more accidents because there is by order of magnitude more flight hours in Russian AF under Shoygu. There are new models and heavily reworked/upgrades ones.

    BTW so far there were 2 accidents with Su-57? and how many F-22 and F-35? looks like Us fighters are not only poorly designed but also maintained Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:51 am

    open the link, google translate- I'm not an interpreter-commentator here.

    It is not a translation problem, it is me not wanting to open such a link.

    so u r suggesting the Russians have nothing to worry about as long as their own accident rate is not above those statistics?

    No, I am suggesting they do what they have always done... have open investigations to learn the actual cause of the crashes that is based on evidence and not some Internet based lynch mob, that finds the causes and then endeavours to find solutions and corrections that will either reduce or preferably eliminate the chance of the same problem happening again.

    I could care less about him; certainly crashes r caused by multiple factors, incl. problems at the top.

    Unless Putin sits at his desk with voodoo dolls of pilots and pokes pins in them when they are known to be flying their planes, there are not problems at the top causing crashes... except if you count Polish leaders demanding pilots land planes in bad conditions where air traffic controllers have told them not to try.

    But I believe those particular politicians have already paid a price for that... along with everyone else on that plane.

    if u've read the article, u wouldn't be assuming that I think any of the above.

    Already told you I don't read your linked articles... I don't have that much time to read that much rubbish.

    human nature & their culture was at fault.

    Filming the flight likely didn't cause the crash, but destroying evidence that could have been of use in working out what actually went wrong... they should have automatically gotten the highest penalty for doing that, it shows they only cared about themselves and nothing for the victims of their crime... the US military is to blame and the US government is also to blame for not holding them to account... but then it seems when they think they are the worlds police then they can shoot a few darkies or in this case foreigners and it is OK...

    BTW so far there were 2 accidents with Su-57? and how many F-22 and F-35? looks like Us fighters are not only poorly designed but also maintained

    Air Accidents happen... the only truly effective way to stop them is to stop flying...

    It is easy enough to fit ejection seats to all aircraft, but that would raise the cost of flying anywhere to the point where no one would fly so you still save lives but the solution is worse than the cure.

    Everyone takes a bit of a risk in life every day... it seems when I go shopping at the supermarket there is a change there might be a nutter with a knife and a chip on their shoulder wanting to kill some evil white people who took them and their families in for ISIS...

    Should I blame the prime minister? It was hardly Horse Faces problem.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:33 pm

    Archangel Michael on board a Russian fighter jet
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:04 am

    open the link, google translate- I'm not an interpreter-commentator here.

    When you post links here you are making them part of a conversation it is up to you to translate what they are saying or their basic points for the conversation here.

    You create a responsibility when you post the links... it is OK if you can't be bothered.... that is fine... but do not post links without explaination... otherwise it will be considered SPAM.

    below it is the leadership of related industry & mil. commands & units were accidents taken place- that's the 1 was referring to.

    The leadership could only be responsible for deaths if it was not enforcing safety rules and letting tired or drunk pilots fly unsafe aircraft... we wont know what the problems were till we get the results of the investigations.

    so u r suggesting the Russians have nothing to worry about as long as their own accident rate is not above those statistics?

    There are a lot of factors to consider, like flying hours and number of flights... if flying hours have tripled and the number of flights has gone up by 100 times but the number of fatal incidents is the same as previous years, though the death toll might be artificially high by a large transport with a lot of people happening to crash and therefore skewing the numbers up, then I would say there is not a huge problem, though every incident needs to be investigated and solutions found where appropriate.

    I could care less about him; certainly crashes r caused by multiple factors, incl. problems at the top.

    Do you understand how silly you sound... I don't care about Putin but if he has a bad day then people crash planes and die... or do they die when he has a good day?

    if u've read the article, u wouldn't be assuming that I think any of the above.

    Which is why it is important to discuss things yourself instead of posting other peoples ideas and thoughts.

    human nature & their culture was at fault.

    Their culture meant there was no fault... how dare those people use that cable to damage that American plane... those pilots were put at risk by those people... pilots risking their lives every day to keep the entire western world safe from Komunism. Rolling Eyes



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    Post  lancelot Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:07 am

    Apples and oranges. Like other people said the article compares current operations at a much higher tempo to earlier years.
    Then there are facts like comparing people with different times in power and acting as if this is the same (deaths under one leader as a metric).
    Instead of using deaths per year per mile traveled or trip taken.

    We also have more crashes with prototypes of new aircraft. Well you don't have prototype crashes if you don't develop new aircraft.
    Or at least whole new aircraft. The list continues.

    Hopefully there are proper procedures in place to ensure similar crashes don't happen again or are mitigated.

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:30 pm

    Canadian f-18 escorting russian su-30 off Romania. Interesting weapon choice. I wonder why they sent it there with those missiles and bombs.


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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:32 am

    Hard to be sure but that Su-30 seems to be carrying two R-27 AAMs and two Kh-31 missiles and a single iron bomb under the engine nacelle...

    It would be a weapon load to attack an air defence site with the Kh-31s taking down the search and tracking radars.... once they are down the iron bomb could take out the missle vehicles/trailers, with AAMs for self defence...
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    Post  franco Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:21 pm

    The bomber regiment on the Su-34 will be relocated to Voronezh by the end of 2021

    The 47th Bomber Aviation Regiment will be relocated to Voronezh by the end of 2021 on Su-34 aircraft. This was announced on Thursday, October 14, by the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry.

    It is noted that the regiment will be redeployed from Buturlinovka from November 15 to December 15. This was reported to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu during his working trip to Voronezh.

    The minister was also informed that the Zhukovsky and Gagarin Air Force Academy (VVA) has created conditions for training specialists in the maintenance and repair of aviation equipment. Thanks to this, in a few years, up to 70% of the volume of repair work will be carried out in the troops, where, after training, specialized specialists studying at the Air Force Academy are sent.

    The aerospace forces will reach this level by 2026, Shoigu said. At the same time, the Minister of Defense noted that along with well-trained specialists, the troops will have modern equipment for the repair of aircraft.

    NOTE: the regiment had been moved to Buturlinovka Air Base while the Voronezh Airfield was completely rebuilt... took a lot longer then originally planned but appears to be completed finally.

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    Post  George1 Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:19 am

    Russian Mikoyan MiG-31 scrambled to escort US B-1B Lancer bomber over Sea of Japan

    https://tass.com/defense/1350527

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:13 am



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    . It appears that it's the Anadyr airbase (Chukotka, Far East Russia) from which the two Tu-95s are taking off.

    Anadyr isn't a primary base of Russia's Long-Range Aviation, although there were deployments of bombers in the past there.

    (2/2) You can even see 4 Tu-22M3 bombers sitting on the tarmac at Ugolny/Anadyr airport on the satellite pic above.

    The latest deployment of Tu-95s wasn't announced earlier.

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    Post  franco Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:44 pm

    Multi-faceted air support for ground formations

    October 28 - Army Aviation Day.

    The army aviation ends this year with good results. All planned exercises were carried out, the flight crew fully complied with the flight standards. The supply of new helicopter technology continues, the training and material base of military units has been improved. To date, tests of new helicopters are also being successfully completed.

    This year, according to the combat training plan, an emphasis was placed on the joint training of army aviation pilots with the airborne assault unit of the Airborne Forces.

    An army aviation brigade was tested in a new organizational and staff structure, with which measures were taken to support the assault operations of mobile forces both during the day and at night. And in the future, these formations performed combat training missions with participation in the joint strategic exercise "West-2021".
    The training and material base of military units of the army aviation is being developed on a planned basis. This year, computer classes with procedural simulators were deployed in two army aviation brigades of the Eastern and Southern military districts and in two helicopter regiments of the Central and Eastern military districts. By the end of the year, the installation of a training and simulator complex in the helicopter regiment of the Western Military District will be completed.

    On the territory of the Republic of Serbia, the next joint Russian-Serbian tactical flight exercise "The Brotherhood of Aviators of Russia and Serbia - 2021" ("BARS-2021") was held. This is the sixth joint exercise since 2015. This year, its scale was expanded, the drawing of tactical episodes was carried out from two airfields: Batainitsa and Ladzhevtsy. Aviation equipment, new for the Serbian side, was involved - Mi-35 helicopters. Considering that all Serbian pilots who participated in the exercise were trained for new aviation equipment in the Russian Federation and know Russian, the issues of interaction in joint crews did not cause difficulties.

    Tests of Mi-28NM helicopters are nearing completion. The Mi-28 combat helicopter has proven itself well in the army, has been tested in the Syrian Arab Republic. Modernization work will further enhance its combat capabilities. The tests take place on time.

    The new Mi-26T2V transport helicopter was specially designed for the Air Force. It has increased combat survivability, installed a new flight and navigation system, implemented automated en-route flight, provided the ability to use night vision goggles and installed an upgraded communications complex. All this will expand the scope of tasks.
    The tests of the Mi-38T helicopter for the Ministry of Defense are nearing completion. The delivery of the first helicopters in the "Salon" version will begin next year. Also, helicopters of this type are being developed in the variants of an airborne transport and an electronic warfare helicopter.

    In 2021, according to the plan for equipping helicopter units, four Ka-52 helicopters were delivered. By the end of this year, it is planned to supply eight Ka-52 helicopters, ten Mi-8AMTSh-VN and one Mi-26T2V to the Southern and Western military districts. We are conducting theoretical and practical retraining of flight personnel for new models of aviation equipment at the 344th Center for Combat Use and Flight Personnel Retraining of the Russian Ministry of Defense (Torzhok). Further training of pilots continues in military units and formations according to the course of combat training of army aviation.

    The command of the Air Force controls the training of cadets of the Syzran branch of the All-Union Scientific Center, including the state certification of graduates. The educational base is constantly being improved and, accordingly, the level of training of graduates is increasing. The training is carried out with theoretical training for new modernized helicopters. The flight practice of cadets takes place at three airfields (Syzran, Sokol, Pugachev), the flight standards are fully met. Upon graduation, graduates are assigned to helicopter regiments and army aviation brigades of the Russian Ministry of Defense and to military units of other federal executive bodies, where they continue their training.
    All personnel who have linked their lives with army aviation, I congratulate you on your professional holiday! I wish you good health, prosperity, trouble-free flight operations and success in defending our Motherland!

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    Post  Finty Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:05 pm

    Good read, thanks for sharing
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    Post  nero Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:23 am

    Putin: "[...] the Aerospace Forces, one of the most powerful, high-tech, and maneuverable branches of the modern Russian military. Russia’s reliable protection from an aerospace attack and maintaining strategic parity directly depend on their combat readiness and technical equipment." [...] some of our foreign colleagues have not abandoned their attempts to undermine this parity, including by deploying elements of their global missile defense systems in the immediate vicinity of our borders. We cannot fail to notice these threats to Russia's security. Under the state armament program, over the past four years, 25 S-400 systems and over 70 modern fighter jets have been produced, and more than 20 S-300 systems and 90 aircraft have been modernized. We need to  improve aerospace defense. This need has been prompted by the leading countries’ developing innovative strike weapons with advanced speed parameters... US plans to deploy medium-range missiles in Europe are well known... and pose a great danger and threat to us. [...] our troops must be supplied, in the next few years, with an additional >200 aircraft and 26 S-350 and S-400 systems, as well as the first production prototype or first production models of the latest S-500 system. PVO-PRO should reach 80% modern equipment by 2025-2027.


    1. https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1455289606354702340
    2. http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67051


    There's some interesting take aways from this:

    our troops must be supplied [...] with an additional >200 aircraft

    Assuming the translator didn't screw up the 'in the next few years', I wonder which aircraft-series he is referring to, given that most orders to the VKS are already fulfilled by Sukhoi/Mig. (I assume it also includes rotor aircraft, but nevertheless).

    our troops must be supplied [...] with an additional [...] 26 S-350 and S-400 systems

    It is interesting to finally hear about plans to procure S-350's, especially in such quantities.

    PVO-PRO should reach 80% modern equipment by 2025-2027.

    This is pretty lofty goal to achieve within just 3-5 years. I guess it depends highly upon what the percertange is at the current time.

    Overall it seems that Russian Aerospace Defense forces are going to get a lot of additional hardware to work with, likely phasing out older S-300P systems (whilst I am sure they'll still keep the S-300V family ones). I wonder what system is poised to replace the 9K33.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:13 am


    Overall it seems that Russian Aerospace Defense forces are going to get a lot of additional hardware to work with, likely phasing out older S-300P systems (whilst I am sure they'll still keep the S-300V family ones). I wonder what system is poised to replace the 9K33.

    S-300V is an Army system and is not used by the Airforce or Navy AFAIK.

    200+ new planes would likely be light planes like the MiG-35 and also a Checkmate type... whether it is actually Checkmate or the light single engined MiG model displayed at MAKS21, or a twin engined version.

    I wonder if they would count S-70 type drones amongst the new planes?

    Perhaps a new type of unmanned "fighter" designed to shoot down enemy drones and munitions by flying up to their altitude and getting close and using cheap guided short range missiles to engage cheap drone and munition like threats...
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    Post  franco Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:23 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Overall it seems that Russian Aerospace Defense forces are going to get a lot of additional hardware to work with, likely phasing out older S-300P systems (whilst I am sure they'll still keep the S-300V family ones). I wonder what system is poised to replace the 9K33.

    S-300V is an Army system and is not used by the Airforce or Navy AFAIK.

    200+ new planes would likely be light planes like the MiG-35 and also a Checkmate type... whether it is actually Checkmate or the light single engined MiG model displayed at MAKS21, or a twin engined version.

    I wonder if they would count S-70 type drones amongst the new planes?

    Perhaps a new type of unmanned "fighter" designed to shoot down enemy drones and munitions by flying up to their altitude and getting close and using cheap guided short range missiles to engage cheap drone and munition like threats...

    - S300PM's were upgraded to some S400 compatibility
    - 76 Su57, 76 Su34M, 30 Su35S, 21 Su30SM2 and 24 Su34NVO = 227

    Perhaps a new type of unmanned "fighter" designed to shoot down enemy drones and munitions by flying up to their altitude and getting close and using cheap guided short range missiles to engage cheap drone and munition like threats... Suspect this job would go to the Yak-130 in a shooting war.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:08 pm

    franco wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    Overall it seems that Russian Aerospace Defense forces are going to get a lot of additional hardware to work with, likely phasing out older S-300P systems (whilst I am sure they'll still keep the S-300V family ones). I wonder what system is poised to replace the 9K33.

    S-300V is an Army system and is not used by the Airforce or Navy AFAIK.

    200+ new planes would likely be light planes like the MiG-35 and also a Checkmate type... whether it is actually Checkmate or the light single engined MiG model displayed at MAKS21, or a twin engined version.

    I wonder if they would count S-70 type drones amongst the new planes?

    Perhaps a new type of unmanned "fighter" designed to shoot down enemy drones and munitions by flying up to their altitude and getting close and using cheap guided short range missiles to engage cheap drone and munition like threats...

    - S300PM's were upgraded to some S400 compatibility
    - 76 Su57, 76 Su34M, 30 Su35S, 21 Su30SM2 and 24 Su34NVO = 227

    Perhaps a new type of unmanned "fighter" designed to shoot down enemy drones and munitions by flying up to their altitude and getting close and using cheap guided short range missiles to engage cheap drone and munition like threats... Suspect this job would go to the Yak-130 in a shooting war.

    Yak-130 would be most ideal. Making it unmanned with Igla missiles or whatever to take out enemy drones would be great. Could also work with lets say a manned Yak-130 that acts as a control center sort of thing.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:01 am

    They are talking about putting the MiG AT or the SR-10 into service because the Yak-130 is so much more expensive to operate than the L39, so I think a better solution needs to be found than that...

    Plus frontal aviation will want numbers of aircraft too in the Checkmate range in terms of size and cost, so it makes sense not to look at the Yak-130 and instead look at something designed to be cheaper to operate.

    In the mean time a drone would likely be the cheapest option by far with a weapon load of cheap missiles like Shturm or Ataka with proximity fuses, or old model Igla missiles.

    A new model MANPAD that is designed for use against small light targets within 2km range should be developed.

    Being launched in flight its rocket motor could be made much less powerful than something that needs to be launched from the ground, which would make it much lighter.

    A simple optical seeker for targets with very small RCS, perhaps with a thermal channel to make the drones stand out better... especially ones at altitude where the low temperatures will make them rather cold.

    It does not need to be super fast so folding wings for attacks from behind they would essentially become suicide drones intended for from behind ramming attacks.... they could be made cheap and simple... perhaps a cheap and simple pulse detonation jet engine could be used for propulsion allowing it to catch and kill its target.

    Of course laser guided 57mm rockets in rocket pods could be a much easier way to achieve results too.

    A drone could carry two 16 shot pods, while an aircraft like a light trainer could carry the 32 shot pods... an Su-25 could carry 8 x 32 shot pods... that would be 256 rockets... it could include smoke and illumination rockets as well as perhaps short range jammers as well as laser guided HE...

    You would probably want a belly mounted MMW radar pod to detect the drones and track them.

    Below 4km you would probably be better off with Mi-28NMs... air burst 30mm cannon shells...
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