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    Post  Guest Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:36 pm

    SU25s wont be around forever, there will be most likely a stopgap where SU34 will be the only platfom for CAS till new dedicated CAS platfom appears (if any, since many people argue now if pure platforms like that are needed anymore due to drone expansion), also SU34 is partially made to be used for CAS same as F15E, US used it very often to suplement A10 in such missions.

    I don't know of any Army Aviation units operating Su-34s at the moment.

    The Su-25s are all getting upgrades and there are plans for a replacement aircraft, so i rather doubt they will transfer Su-34s to Army Aviation any time soon.

    The Su-34 would be too fast to operate with Mils and Kamovs anyway.[/quote]

    I thought Russian SU25s are in the Air force atm? Yeah i am aware they are getting update but still they will serve for how much after update 10-15 years max, i belive most of them were built 25 years ago? And replacement is just been in talks till now since Jak131 was refused some years ago.

    Well US didnt use F15E as low altitude CAS together with AH64s, but somewhat of a standoff platform using only high precision ammunition while A10s would go low, however on other hand SU34s have certain amount of armor on them so they would be more suitable to "get down there" than F15E is. I mean F35 is imo far less suitable for CAS missions than SU34 and still it is being marketed as A10 replacement to the USAF.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:01 am

    I thought Russian SU25s are in the Air force atm?

    Army Aviation is currently part of the air force...

    Su-34 is part of long range aviation... DA... not FA or VVS.


    [quote]Yeah i am aware they are getting update but still they will serve for how much after update 10-15 years max, i belive most of them were built 25 years ago? And replacement is just been in talks till now since Jak131 was refused some years ago. [/qutoe]

    there was talk in Russia and the US about replacing their cheap simple CAS aircraft with already in service aircraft. The US went for the A-16, which was a variant of the F-16 and it failed miserably. The Russians explored using a version of the Yak-130 and it failed too.

    hense the current plan is upgrades of the Su-25 and later a brand new replacement model called PAK SHa.

    Well US didnt use F15E as low altitude CAS together with AH64s, but somewhat of a standoff platform using only high precision ammunition while A10s would go low, however on other hand SU34s have certain amount of armor on them so they would be more suitable to "get down there" than F15E is. I mean F35 is imo far less suitable for CAS missions than SU34 and still it is being marketed as A10 replacement to the USAF.

    What the F-15E does a MiG-29SMT could offer to do but at the end of the day the ground forces want their own aircraft coming in low and fast and dealing with the enemy... they don't want some high flying jock who delivers 500kg bombs close to the front line that could land on the enemy or friendly forces... they want smaller lighter weapons more accurately placed...

    Who knows... with modern guided artillery with each unit and attack helos they might not need CAS aircraft... some UCAV might perform the role... but so far we just haven't seen it.
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    Post  Guest Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:04 pm

    Army Aviation is currently part of the air force...

    Su-34 is part of long range aviation... DA... not FA or VVS.

    That is not much of an issue due to todays joint command.

    there was talk in Russia and the US about replacing their cheap simple CAS aircraft with already in service aircraft. The US went for the A-16, which was a variant of the F-16 and it failed miserably. The Russians explored using a version of the Yak-130 and it failed too.

    hense the current plan is upgrades of the Su-25 and later a brand new replacement model called PAK SHa.

    Yes, i remember that well, Mig AT derivate, Yak131 and that Sukhoi two cockpit monster i forgot its designation. I recall A16 it had huge issues with cannon, they used them during Desert Storm but only as missile platforms since cannon wasnt very safe to be used. This is first time i hear about PAK SH-a to be honest, i assume it will be something based on Jak130? US might start using Textan Scoprion in CAS role, it seems to be quite cheap platform, extremly cheap actually, somewhat of the JF17 Thunder price.


    What the F-15E does a MiG-29SMT could offer to do but at the end of the day the ground forces want their own aircraft coming in low and fast and dealing with the enemy... they don't want some high flying jock who delivers 500kg bombs close to the front line that could land on the enemy or friendly forces... they want smaller lighter weapons more accurately placed...

    Who knows... with modern guided artillery with each unit and attack helos they might not need CAS aircraft... some UCAV might perform the role... but so far we just haven't seen it.

    Mmm... yeaah i guess Mig29SMT could do so but SU34s armed with someting like Brimstone with dual seekers or that Russian future Hermes would be insane platform, it has 12 hardpoints i belive, but lets say 10 would be able to hold triple Brimstone launcher.. thats 30 missiles that wont just drop anywhere like 500kg bomb, but with 1m CEP, i am not saying it should be only CAS platfom, but it could be very good in this role in some bigger scale combat. Still some very cheap platform that would use unguded ammunition would be required. Well, there were talks about developing UCAV on the Jak130 platform, or if they ever finish Mig SKAT, those two could be used for CAS imo.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:16 am

    Hopefully not a repost:


    http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/447810.html#cutid1
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    Post  mack8 Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:56 pm

    Very nice pictures of Sukhois old and new during recent live-fire exercises:
    http://warlock-fe.livejournal.com/17947.html
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    Post  franco Sun Sep 20, 2015 1:35 pm

    Photos of aircraft participating in training out of Dzemgi;

    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://topwar.ru/82676-v-gosti-na-poligon.html&usg=ALkJrhhjF8QMM7UsF5QheL5i8hMEHj1N-Q
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:23 am

    That is not much of an issue due to todays joint command.

    The Su-34 is not designed to operate over the front lines in any capacity... it is a medium range strike aircraft... not a combat air support aircraft.

    Yes, i remember that well, Mig AT derivate, Yak131 and that Sukhoi two cockpit monster i forgot its designation. I recall A16 it had huge issues with cannon, they used them during Desert Storm but only as missile platforms since cannon wasnt very safe to be used

    It was a failure because to get close enough to use the cannon meant ground fire became an issue and the A16 had no armour to speak of. Adding armour and it loses its flight performance.

    they didn't use them anywhere AFAIK.

    This is first time i hear about PAK SH-a to be honest, i assume it will be something based on Jak130? US might start using Textan Scoprion in CAS role, it seems to be quite cheap platform, extremly cheap actually, somewhat of the JF17 Thunder price.

    There was the same talk in Russia about what could replace the Su-25 and the Yak-130 was considered with the pilot flying the aircraft and the second crewman operating remote UAVs to find targets that could be engaged with missiles from standoff distances... it was a failure too.

    the decision seems to have been an upgrade of existing Su-25s followed by a brand new armoured stealth design manned aircraft.

    Lots of funny pics were shown but nothing official.


    Mmm... yeaah i guess Mig29SMT could do so but SU34s armed with someting like Brimstone with dual seekers or that Russian future Hermes would be insane platform, it has 12 hardpoints i belive, but lets say 10 would be able to hold triple Brimstone launcher..

    The Russians don't really have anything like brimstone, Hermes will likely be carried 8 to a pylon but likely with only two pylons able to carry the weapon like the Su-25TM with Vikhr.

    thats 30 missiles that wont just drop anywhere like 500kg bomb, but with 1m CEP, i am not saying it should be only CAS platfom, but it could be very good in this role in some bigger scale combat. Still some very cheap platform that would use unguded ammunition would be required. Well, there were talks about developing UCAV on the Jak130 platform, or if they ever finish Mig SKAT, those two could be used for CAS im

    I think a dedicated HALE UCAV designed to support ground operations would be the ideal solution orbiting 10km above the front lines carrying guided FAB-50s in large numbers and the odd heavier bomb for use when needed would be the most cost effective solution... with large numbers of light bombs it could loiter for hours or days and be able to deliver HE rapidly and precisely... not the same as CAS butrapidly available on call support ready when needed and in COIN situations relatively invulnerable. the key would be powerful sensors that can find targets and friendlies in all weathers and being able to hit targets 24/7 in all weathers.

    Fastest true but very slow muzzle velocity below 700 m/s vs 1050 m/s Vulcan better advantage in aiming when you got very short time window in dogfight. 30mm gun with muzzle velocity 900m/s is mucxh better alternative IMHO. is better option in this case

    The soviets and Russians have always had good aircraft guns.... muzzle velocity is no advantage when you take into consideration the increased recoil throws the aim off quicker and the higher muzzle velocity comes from much lighter projectiles that simply punch small holes through the target while the slower much heavier 23mm shells contain HE that blow enormous holes in the target and is much more effective at bringing down aerial targets.

    Think of what sort of weapon a hunter uses against fast moving birds.... it is not high velocity 223 ammo moving at almost a kilometre a second... it is subsonic shotgun pellets because lots of shots at the target all scattered around the aim point is vastly more effective at bringing down a manouvering target than a single fast projectile that does not manouver after being fired.

    Pls correct me if I am wrong but there were some problems with exploding ammo that's why those guns are not used in Russian AF anymore.

    there were issues with propellent gas building up and exploding, but revised external mounts tended to deal with the problem.

    Recently a land based platform with a 23mm gatling gun with the gun mounted externally would solve the potential problems... as would the mounting on the armata BMPT model in an external mount.

    The single barrel gun mount on the MiG-29 is even more efficient as it is computer controlled so during combat the pilot locks the target and pulls the trigger and manouvers the aiming pipper onto the target. When the computer calculates a likely hit it fires the gun and stops it when it thinks it has fired enough. the computer stopped the gun after 3-4 rounds had been fired but the targets were still getting destroyed. The designer is reported to have said if he had known the system would be so effective he would only have designed an ammo capacity of 100 rounds instead of 150.
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    Post  Guest Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:53 am

    GarryB wrote:That is not much of an issue due to todays joint command.

    The Su-34 is not designed to operate over the front lines in any capacity... it is a medium range strike aircraft... not a combat air support aircraft.

    Yes, i remember that well, Mig AT derivate, Yak131 and that Sukhoi two cockpit monster i forgot its designation. I recall A16 it had huge issues with cannon, they used them during Desert Storm but only as missile platforms since cannon wasnt very safe to be used

    It was a failure because to get close enough to use the cannon meant ground fire became an issue and the A16 had no armour to speak of. Adding armour and it loses its flight performance.

    they didn't use them anywhere AFAIK.

    This is first time i hear about PAK SH-a to be honest, i assume it will be something based on Jak130? US might start using Textan Scoprion in CAS role, it seems to be quite cheap platform, extremly cheap actually, somewhat of the JF17 Thunder price.

    There was the same talk in Russia about what could replace the Su-25 and the Yak-130 was considered with the pilot flying the aircraft and the second crewman operating remote UAVs to find targets that could be engaged with missiles from standoff distances... it was a failure too.

    the decision seems to have been an upgrade of existing Su-25s followed by a brand new armoured stealth design manned aircraft.

    Lots of funny pics were shown but nothing official.


    Mmm... yeaah i guess Mig29SMT could do so but SU34s armed with someting like Brimstone with dual seekers or that Russian future Hermes would be insane platform, it has 12 hardpoints i belive, but lets say 10 would be able to hold triple Brimstone launcher..

    The Russians don't really have anything like brimstone, Hermes will likely be carried 8 to a pylon but likely with only two pylons able to carry the weapon like the Su-25TM with Vikhr.

    thats 30 missiles that wont just drop anywhere like 500kg bomb, but with 1m CEP, i am not saying it should be only CAS platfom, but it could be very good in this role in some bigger scale combat. Still some very cheap platform that would use unguded ammunition would be required. Well, there were talks about developing UCAV on the Jak130 platform, or if they ever finish Mig SKAT, those two could be used for CAS im

    I think a dedicated HALE UCAV designed to support ground operations would be the ideal solution orbiting 10km above the front lines carrying guided FAB-50s in large numbers and the odd heavier bomb for use when needed would be the most cost effective solution... with large numbers of light bombs it could loiter for hours or days and be able to deliver HE rapidly and precisely... not the same as CAS butrapidly available on call support ready when needed and in COIN situations relatively invulnerable. the key would be powerful sensors that can find targets and friendlies in all weathers and being able to hit targets 24/7 in all weathers.




    "In 1991, 24 F-16A/B Block 10 aircraft belonging to the 174th TFW, a New York Air National Guard unit that had transitioned from the A-10 in 1988, were armed with the 30 mm GAU-13/A four-barrel derivative of the seven-barrel GAU-8/A cannon used by the A-10A. This weapon was carried in a General Electric GPU-5/A Pave Claw gun pod on the centerline station, and was supplied with 353 rounds of ammunition. There were also plans to convert F-16Cs to this configuration and to incorporate the A-10s AN/AAS-35V Pave Penny laser spot tracker. The vibration from the gun when firing proved so severe as to make both aiming and flying the aircraft difficult, and trials were suspended after two days. Although the 174th's aircraft were employed for CAS during Operation Desert Storm, they did not use the gun pods in action, and the Block 10 F/A-16 was phased out after the war" Source: http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article18.html

    So they kinda did get used but... no guns just Mavericks i guess.

    I personally find SU34 fine as CAS platform, its very agile, armored, has very high payload, good endurance and impressive range, if they didnt mean him to ever perform CAS they would not armor its cabin. Its replacing SU24 that spent most of its carrier actually just providing CAS with very rare actual long range strike missions.

    "The basic configuration of the intended production Su-32MF/Su-34 aircraft is a multirole deep strike fighter, intended to perform the battlefield interdiction, close air support and deep strike roles now performed by the Su-24 in Russia, the F-15E in the US and the F-111 in Australia."

    Now i cant remember or find, there was Sukhoi design for 2 cockpit CAS aircraft during 90s, i have to find it it was so unusual and weird.

    Well UCAV you are talking about could be Altius for start when it gets developed, even tho i am not really sure about its payload and endurance that is needed for UCAV.[/quote]
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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 25, 2015 2:38 pm

    So they kinda did get used but... no guns just Mavericks i guess.

    Putting a gun pod on an F-16 does not make it a CAS aircraft, and does not make it an A-16.

    They call it an F/A-16 but it always had air to ground capability so they should all be called F/A-16.

    The comments I remember reading suggest the lack of armour made them unsuitable for the role.

    I personally find SU34 fine as CAS platform, its very agile, armored, has very high payload, good endurance and impressive range, if they didnt mean him to ever perform CAS they would not armor its cabin.

    It does not have great agility with a very high payload and impressive range, it is not armoured to stop small arms fire, that is to stop bomb fragments from bombing at very low level endangering the crew.

    Its replacing SU24 that spent most of its carrier actually just providing CAS with very rare actual long range strike missions.

    No it didn't. It didn't have the right radio equipment to communicate with troops on the ground, so its attacks were independent of friendly ground activity... unlike the Su-25 which was in direct communication with ground forces and whose pilots went to briefing meetings to discuss objectives and likely issues before hand.

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    Post  Guest Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    So they kinda did get used but... no guns just Mavericks i guess.

    Putting a gun pod on an F-16 does not make it a CAS aircraft, and does not make it an A-16.

    They call it an F/A-16 but it always had air to ground capability so they should all be called F/A-16.

    The comments I remember reading suggest the lack of armour made them unsuitable for the role.

    I personally find SU34 fine as CAS platform, its very agile, armored, has very high payload, good endurance and impressive range, if they didnt mean him to ever perform CAS they would not armor its cabin.

    It does not have great agility with a very high payload and impressive range, it is not armoured to stop small arms fire, that is to stop bomb fragments from bombing at very low level endangering the crew.

    Its replacing SU24 that spent most of its carrier actually just providing CAS with very rare actual long range strike missions.

    No it didn't. It didn't have the right radio equipment to communicate with troops on the ground, so its attacks were independent of friendly ground activity... unlike the Su-25 which was in direct communication with ground forces and whose pilots went to briefing meetings to discuss objectives and likely issues before hand.


    In normal strike roles you wont be nowhere near explosing ordinance thats the problem. You are near only during CAS with gravity bombs or unguided ammunition. But still SU24 never actually performed any real long range strike missions like it was its real role, it was almost always doing sort of CAS, except maybe during Iran-Iraq war.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:39 am

    In normal strike roles you wont be nowhere near explosing ordinance thats the problem. You are near only during CAS with gravity bombs or unguided ammunition. But still SU24 never actually performed any real long range strike missions like it was its real role, it was almost always doing sort of CAS, except maybe during Iran-Iraq war.

    Well it did really, because missions like hitting the Su-25 factory in Georgia and hitting various targets inside Chechnia and of course bombing villages and mountain bases in Afghanistan in the 1980s all count as hitting targets behind enemy lines. Not all were particularly long range, but they were mostly not on the front line.
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    Post  George1 Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:14 am

    so is there any program for upgrade of M-55s??

    A date for the start of testing of the upgraded high-altitude M-55 aircraft was set
    Russian Aviaton » Monday September 28, 2015 23:06 MSK

    Myasishchev design bureau is going to complete the upgrade of M-55 «Geophizika» high-altitude aircraft this year, Interfax reports with reference to a source close to the aircraft industry.

    “At present the aircraft is being upgraded; the upgrade should be completed this year. It is expected that the flight tests will be started in December,” the source said.
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    According to him, upgrade of M-55 Geophizika is being carried out under a contract between Myasishchev design bureau and Alfred Wegener Institute (Germany). This vehicle will be operated in the network of the European StratoClim research project.

    According to him, a lot of components will be upgraded; in particular, navigation system, communication system along with all the sub-systems connected with it (digital altimeters and rangefinders, VOR and ILS landing systems, cable network, etc.).

    Thanks to unique aircraft performance and payload of up to 2 tons, M-55 has taken part in international European scientific expeditions focused on studying the upper atmosphere many times. M-55 Geophizika is powered by two PS-30V-12 engines having a takeoff thrust of 4500 kg each. The vehicle’s takeoff weight is 24500 kg. Cruise speed - 740 km/h. Maximum range at the altitude of 17000 meters is 5000 km. Ceiling is 21550 m. The aircraft is able to stay in the air for 6,5 hours while flying at an altitude of 17000 m and 1 hour – at 21000 m.

    http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2015/9/28/3572/
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    Post  George1 Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:41 pm

    Russian Army to Receive 16 Helicopters, 29 Combat Aircraft by Year End

    The Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 16 Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopters, 18 Su-30SM Flanker multi-role fighter jets and 11 MiG-31 Foxhound supersonic interceptor aircraft before the end of the year, the aircraft manufacturers told Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu Friday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia is currently carrying out a $325-billion rearmament program to modernize 70-percent of its military equipment by 2020.

    "Four units of the Ka-52 attack helicopters were manufactured by Progress Arsenyev Aviation Company. The delivery of 12 more helicopters is scheduled for 2015," the company's managing director, Yury Denisenko, told Shoigu during a conference call.

    According to the technical director of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, Alexander Sergunov, two Su-30SM and two Yak-130 combat trainers are ready to be delivered to the army.

    "The government contracts provide for the delivery of an additional 16 Su-30SMs and six Yak-130s in 2015. Almost all the aircraft are in the final stage of production," Sergunov said.

    In turn, Alexander Karezin, the general director of Nizhny Novgorod Aircraft Building Plant Sokol, reported that the plant had carried out repairs and modernization of six MiG-31BMs.

    "Four of the aircraft have been handed over to the military units where they will be based permanently, two are ready for flight. Five MiG-31BM and two MiG-29UBM will be delivered later this year," he added.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151009/1028278703/new-helicopters-aircraft-russia.html#ixzz3o5N0KeEr
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    Post  sepheronx Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:25 am

    "Helicopters of Russia" introduced a new generation of helicopter Mi-171A2

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    general information
    Mi-171A2 - the latest multi-purpose helicopter of the middle class, which combines the unique experience of operating helicopters Mi-8/17 and the latest technical solutions. Mi-171A2 provides the highest level of reliability, safety and comfort. This helicopter is created in close cooperation with the operators of helicopters and sets new standards for middle-class helicopters.
    Mi-171A2 provides ample business opportunities and the belief that the task will be carried out under any circumstances. Multipurpose helicopter middle-class Mi-171A2 - perfect classic.
    Key features of the Mi-171A2:
    The high performance characteristics
    A wide range of tasks
    Equipment and systems of new generation
    High security
    Certification ARMAK
    The modern system operation and maintenance
    Reduced cost of flight hours
    The embodiment of the best qualities of the helicopter Mi-8/17
    Mi-171A2 is:
    Powerful propulsion system
    Upgraded support system and transmission
    The modified fuselage
    A wide range of special equipment
    The integrated flight and navigation system, glass cockpit
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    A new level of security and comfort
    The first prototype of the Mi-171A2 began flight tests in November 2014.
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    Post  franco Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:06 pm

    George1 wrote:Russian Army to Receive 16 Helicopters, 29 Combat Aircraft by Year End

    The Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 16 Ka-52 Alligator attack helicopters, 18 Su-30SM Flanker multi-role fighter jets and 11 MiG-31 Foxhound supersonic interceptor aircraft before the end of the year, the aircraft manufacturers told Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu Friday.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia is currently carrying out a $325-billion rearmament program to modernize 70-percent of its military equipment by 2020.

    "Four units of the Ka-52 attack helicopters were manufactured by Progress Arsenyev Aviation Company. The delivery of 12 more helicopters is scheduled for 2015," the company's managing director, Yury Denisenko, told Shoigu during a conference call.

    According to the technical director of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, Alexander Sergunov, two Su-30SM and two Yak-130 combat trainers are ready to be delivered to the army.

    "The government contracts provide for the delivery of an additional 16 Su-30SMs and six Yak-130s in 2015. Almost all the aircraft are in the final stage of production," Sergunov said.

    In turn, Alexander Karezin, the general director of Nizhny Novgorod Aircraft Building Plant Sokol, reported that the plant had carried out repairs and modernization of six MiG-31BMs.

    "Four of the aircraft have been handed over to the military units where they will be based permanently, two are ready for flight. Five MiG-31BM and two MiG-29UBM will be delivered later this year," he added.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20151009/1028278703/new-helicopters-aircraft-russia.html#ixzz3o5N0KeEr

    Interesting news re the Mig-29UM,s. When Sokol was doing test flights of the first batch of 31BM's earlier this year, they were also doing test flights of 2 29UM's. Same planes or a second pair of 29UM's for this year?
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    Post  mack8 Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:26 am

    franco wrote:

    Interesting news re the Mig-29UM,s. When Sokol was doing test flights of the first batch of 31BM's earlier this year, they were also doing test flights of 2 29UM's. Same planes or a second pair of 29UM's for this year?

    I wonder if those MiG-29UBM are sort-of new and part of that order for 16 SMT due this year and next  (eight plus eight), maybe it was 12 SMT and 4 UBM?
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    Post  franco Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:54 am

    mack8 wrote:
    franco wrote:

    Interesting news re the Mig-29UM,s. When Sokol was doing test flights of the first batch of 31BM's earlier this year, they were also doing test flights of 2 29UM's. Same planes or a second pair of 29UM's for this year?

    I wonder if those MiG-29UBM are sort-of new and part of that order for 16 SMT due this year and next  (eight plus eight), maybe it was 12 SMT and 4 UBM?

    They are rebuilds like the 31BM's.
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    Post  George1 Fri Oct 23, 2015 12:50 am

    Continuous modernization of the Il-76 will begin in the Russian Armed Forces in 2016
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    Post  medo Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:22 pm

    Now, when Russian budget is more or less known, any informations regarding new contracts for Su-35 and Su-30SM?
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    Post  Guest Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:28 pm

    medo wrote:Now, when Russian budget is more or less known, any informations regarding new contracts for Su-35 and Su-30SM?

    They mentioned earlier this year that another contract for 48 Su35S will be signed after current order is done and accepted into service. Also there are rumons that 75 more SU30SMs will be ordered http://www.defenseworld.net/news/14018/Russian_MoD_May_Order_75_More_Su_30SM_Jets#.Vi6MuuxfbK8
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    Post  max steel Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:15 pm

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    Russian aircraft ignored repeated U.S. warnings and flew within one nautical mile of the USS Ronald Reagan just east of the Korean peninsula, “In the latest in a series of incidents involving Russian aircraft, two Tupolev Tu-142 Bear aircraft flew as low as 500 feet Tuesday morning near the Reagan, which has been conducting scheduled maneuvers with South Korean navy ships. Four F/A-18 Super Hornets took off from the Reagan’s flight deck in response to the Russian advance,U.S. officials attempted to contact the Russian aircraft but received no radio response. A U.S. ship escorting the Ronald Reagan followed the Russian aircraft as they withdrew, Navy officials said.

    Press officials at the Russian Embassy in Seoul were not immediately available for comment Thursday.

    On multiple occasions in the past year, Russian aircraft have tested international boundaries by either violating other countries’ airspace or engaging in what Pentagon officials have called “provocative” actions toward U.S. and NATO ships.

    In April, a Russian SU-24 fighter jet made 12 “close-range, low-altitude” passes near the USS Donald Cook while the ship was in international waters in the western Black Sea near Romania, the Pentagon has said. Last month, NATO officials said Russian fighters violated Turkish airspace several times.
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    Post  Guest Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:47 pm

    There are some whispers and unconfirmed claims in Serbian media that second hand MiG29s from Russia are to be delivered to Serbian Air Force (9.12 and 9.51) apparently those that were just replaced in Millerovo with SU30SM. Also first informations say it will be donation rather than commercial deal or some type of compensation via overhauls or armaments.

    "Nezvanično saznajemo da će sada u Moskvi biti reči upravo o lovcima i to o mogućoj donaciji određenog broja lovačkih aviona MiG-29 direktno iz jedinica ruskog RV. U inventaru ruskih Vazdušno-kosmičkih snaga (VKS) karijera starijih verzija frontovskog lovačkog aviona tipa MiG-29 je po svemu sudeći pri kraju. edan od dokaza za to je i plan prenaoružavanja 31. lovačkog avijacijskog puka iz baze Milerovo koji će do kraja ove godine dobiti 15 aviona Su-30SM koji će zameniti preko 30 aviona MiG-29 (9-13 i 9-51) koje puk trenutno koristi. Avion klase MiG-29 odavno nije prioritet za ruske VKS već su to mnogo sposobniji i za VKS adekvatniji borbeni avioni OKB ‘’Suhoj’’ poput višenamenskih borbenih aviona Su-30 i Su-35 a tu su i taktički bombarderi Su-34. Srbiji bi zbog logistike i obuke najviše odgovarala varijanta 9-12 kao i dvosedi 9-51. Poslednja jedinica ruskih vazduhoplovnih snaga koja upotrebljava varijantu 9-12 je 116. školski centar za borbenu obuku i borbenu primenu lovačke avijacije , aerodrom Privoložskij na kome su početkom oktobra boravili naši piloti učestvujući na vežbi BARS-2015."

    Basically says what we all know that MiG29 slipped from list of priorities by RuAF and that they are being rapidly pushed from service by SU30 family. Also second hand Mi24s are being mentioned but again as i said its all atm in domain of rumons and whispers.
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    Post  medo Thu Oct 29, 2015 5:57 pm

    Militarov wrote:There are some whispers and unconfirmed claims in Serbian media that second hand MiG29s from Russia are to be delivered to Serbian Air Force (9.12 and 9.51) apparently those that were just replaced in Millerovo with SU30SM. Also first informations say it will be donation rather than commercial deal or some type of compensation via overhauls or armaments.

    "Nezvanično saznajemo da će sada u Moskvi biti reči upravo o lovcima i to o mogućoj donaciji određenog broja lovačkih aviona MiG-29 direktno iz jedinica ruskog RV. U inventaru ruskih Vazdušno-kosmičkih snaga (VKS) karijera starijih verzija frontovskog lovačkog aviona tipa MiG-29 je po svemu sudeći pri kraju. edan od dokaza za to je i plan prenaoružavanja 31. lovačkog avijacijskog puka iz baze Milerovo koji će do kraja ove godine dobiti 15 aviona Su-30SM koji će zameniti preko 30 aviona MiG-29 (9-13 i 9-51) koje puk trenutno koristi. Avion klase MiG-29 odavno nije prioritet za ruske VKS već su to mnogo sposobniji i za VKS adekvatniji borbeni avioni OKB ‘’Suhoj’’ poput višenamenskih borbenih aviona Su-30 i Su-35 a tu su i taktički bombarderi Su-34. Srbiji bi zbog logistike i obuke najviše odgovarala varijanta 9-12 kao i dvosedi 9-51. Poslednja jedinica ruskih vazduhoplovnih snaga koja upotrebljava varijantu 9-12 je 116. školski centar za borbenu obuku i borbenu primenu lovačke avijacije , aerodrom Privoložskij na kome su početkom oktobra boravili naši piloti učestvujući na vežbi BARS-2015."

    Basically says what we all know that MiG29 slipped from list of priorities by RuAF and that they are being rapidly pushed from service by SU30 family. Also second hand Mi24s are being mentioned but again as i said its all atm in domain of rumons and whispers.

    Considering that RuAF also retire all MiG-29 in Domna air base, which were replaced by Su-30SM, there will be enough fighters to equip whole regiment of MiG-29 jets in Serbia and for spare parts. I wonder if they will be modernized to MiG-29BM level, like those in Belarus to get multirole fighters.

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