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    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:44 pm

    Afghanistan on the brink of civil war

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/asia/taliban-government-announcement-intl/index.html

    Analysis on Kabul Drone Strike Reveals US Unsure About Target
    US Helps Four US Citizens Evacuate Afghanistan by Land
    US Strikes Post-9/11 Killed Up to 48,000 Civilians
    Turkish Technical Team Begins Work at Kabul Airport
    Taliban Tells Berlin It Will Welcome German Companies, Aid
    https://www.antiwar.com/

    https://www.juancole.com/2021/09/taliban-segregation-universities.html

    https://www.juancole.com/2021/09/afghanistan-warlords-whether.html

    Taliban in the Panjshir Gorge - what will happen next with Afghanistan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3mT1p6lPXc

    Unknown, possibly Indian AF attacked Pakistani SF there: https://youtu.be/pq2I6P-MKqA?t=210


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    Afghanistan is on brink of humanitarian disaster with protests on the streets, locals unable to withdraw money and Western aid stopped as Taliban announce first government
    Chief spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid held a press conference on Tuesday evening to announce UN-sanctioned Mohammad Hassan Akhund as the leader
    Son of the one-eyed late supreme leader Mullah Omar, named as defence chief
    Sirajuddin Haqqani, chief of feared Haqqani network, named interior minister
    Comes three weeks after fall of Kabul as Afghanistan is on the brink of collapse
    Protests raged today amid food and medicines shortages and banks shuttered
    Afghanistan is on the precipice of a humanitarian disaster three weeks after the fall of Kabul with furious protesters taking to the streets of the capital and locals unable to withdraw money from banks.

    The chaos comes as the Taliban announced a caretaker government, awarding top posts to veteran jihadists as it seeks to bring stability to Afghanistan.

    The announcement came amid another day of angry protests on the streets of Kabul, with Taliban fighters firing into the air to disperse crowds demanding rights for women, work and freedom and movement.
    Basic services have collapsed since the Taliban took power, people cannot withdraw money from banks and Western aid has been cut off.

    The Taliban's chief spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid held a press conference on Tuesday evening to announce UN-sanctioned Mohammad Hassan Akhund as their new leader.

    Taliban co-founder Abdul Ghani Baradar will serve as his deputy; Mullah Yaqub, son of the one-eyed late supreme leader Mullah Omar, was named defence minister; and Sirajuddin Haqqani, wanted by the FBI and the leader of the feared Haqqani network, was named interior minister.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9966461/Taliban-announces-new-government-posts-awarded-veteran-jihadists.html
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:11 am

    Press review: Cracks show in Taliban leadership and Minsk opposition face serious jailtime

    Izvestia: Afghanistan struggles to form inclusive government
    The Taliban (outlawed in Russia) captured the last stronghold of resistance in Panjshir and announced the end of the war in Afghanistan. Experts interviewed by Izvestia believe that the activities of the resistance are spilling over into partisan warfare - the complex geography of the region plays into the hands of the Panjshir people. At the same time, the unwillingness of the new authorities in Kabul to announce the new government indicates a split within the movement. According to experts, this protracted conflict further reduces the chances of the future Afghan cabinet of ministers having any genuine inclusiveness.

    The Taliban pledged to create an inclusive Afghan government that would include all political and ethnic groups, as well as people from the previous regime, immediately after the seizure of power in Kabul in mid-August. But this never happened - experts think that the Taliban have not been able to agree on the formation among themselves.

    This is a result of the struggle for power and spheres of influence, as well as for the right to be considered the main beneficiary of victory in the 20-year war with the United States, Head of the Center for the Study of Afghan Politics Andrey Serenko explained to Izvestia. The internal conflict, according to the expert, will be protracted, and no government will be formed until the situation is taken under control by Pakistan, which is considered to be the Taliban's curator.


    "It is highly likely that the way out of the situation will be not so much in the distribution of posts within the government, as in the creation of a two-echelon system of power," Serenko added.

    Meanwhile, as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, only an inclusive government can ensure the country's sustainable transition to a new life. If the composition of this government really includes all ethnic groups of the country, then Russia would be ready to take part in the ceremony of its announcement, the minister noted.



    https://tass.com/pressreview/1334655

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:06 pm

    from Fox news this morning
    Apparently U.S. Presidents are among the United States' worst enemies.

    Taliban’s interior minister is on FBI’s most-wanted list, believed to be holding American hostage
    Sen. Graham called the Taliban’s interim government a 'lineup of thugs and butchers'
    Sirajuddin Haqqani, the head of the terror group known as the Haqqani network who is wanted by the FBI, has been named the Taliban's interim interior minister, which was seen by some as a slap in the face to the U.S. and Western countries.

    The Haqqani network is known to be a ruthless arm of the Taliban and has been blamed on attacks in the country against coalition forces. The FBI has a $10 million bounty on his head. It is believed that he is holding at least one American hostage, according to the Associated Press.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/talibans-interior-minister-is-on-fbis-most-wanted-list-believed-to-be-holding-american-hostage


    4 prisoners Obama exchanged for Bowe Bergdahl now in senior Taliban posts
    Nearly all of those who hold senior positions have close ties to al Qaeda
    Four out of five Guantanamo detainees whom former President Barack Obama released in exchange for former U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in 2014 now hold senior positions in the interim government created by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    According to the Afghan television network TOLOnews, the Taliban-formed government gave leadership positions to Khairullah Khairkhwa, Norullah Noori, Abdul Haq Wasiq, and Mohammad Fazl; all of whom were released in a 2014 deal between the Obama administration and the Taliban to free Bergdahl, whom the Taliban had held as a prisoner since 2009.

    On Tuesday, the Taliban announced that Khairkhwa would serve as acting minister for information and culture, Noori would serve as acting minister of borders and tribal affairs, Wasiq would serve as acting director of intelligence, and Fazl would serve as deputy defense minister.
    Wasiq will reprise his role as the Taliban's intelligence director, previously serving in the role prior to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on America. U.S. intelligence agencies determined that Wasiq had close tied to al Qaeda while he was serving in that position at the time.

    Thomas Joscelyn, a senior fellow for the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), noted that Fazl will also return to his role as deputy defense minister. "U.S. officials found that Fazl worked with senior al Qaeda personnel, including Abdel Hadi al Iraqi, one of Osama bin Laden's chief lieutenants," Joscelyn wrote in a tweet. "Al Iraqi is still held at Guantanamo."

    Late last month, following the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan, the Taliban announced that Mohammad Nabi Omari, another former Guantanamo Bay Naval Base (GTMO) detainee with close ties to al Qaeda, would govern Khost Province

    Nebraska GOP Sen. Ben Sasse released a statement on Tuesday regarding the Taliban's formation of the government, insisting that the trust President Joe Biden and U.S. officials placed in the Taliban is "pathetic."

    "President Biden still clings to an insane fantasy that the Taliban is kinder and gentler," Sasse said. "It’s nonsense. Haqqani is the Taliban’s new interior minister for precisely the same reason the FBI’s got a $5 million bounty on his head: he’s a bloodthirsty terrorist. He’s armed, dangerous, and running a country we just abandoned."

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/4-prisoners-bowe-bergdahl-exchange-obama-senior-taliban-posts
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:34 pm

    As above.

    Graduates of the Gitmo finishing school. You have to wonder if there is an element of "an eye for an eye" left in them after what was probably not the happiest experience in their lives.

    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan - Page 34 Gitmo-detainees-released-Taliban-Ministers

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:07 pm

    Today CIA chief John Brennan flew down to India to discuss Afghanistan.

    John Brennan had apparently converted to Saudi Wahhabism and conducted Haj. Thereafter, he created ISIS.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna50776554

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    Post  nomadski Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:33 pm



    http://outlookafghanistan.net/national_detail.php?post_id=22800

    Ok , what does this mean ? China help Taliban build Afghan infrastructure ? China help Taliban keep women prisoners in the kitchen ? China help Taliban by offering satellite information about NRF positions ? China help Taliban keep Afghanistan as Pakistan Emirate ? China help Taliban drive out Tajik from villages by commando raids ?

    Why China not recognise NRF as political force ? Take photo with Masood ? What he is not photogenic ? Not even on latest Huawei phone ? Then others will take photo with Masood on Appleiphone or even Samsung .......LoL .

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:06 pm

    Blinken says Taliban are blocking charter flights from departing Afghanistan
    Blinken's comments come after he denied the Taliban was creating 'any hostage-like situation' on Tuesday

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blinken-taliban-blocking-charter-flights-afghanistan
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    Post  Finty Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:06 am

    Some articles from the British press from a few days back


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9962961/Top-female-Afghan-cop-beaten-hunted-Taliban-pleads-help-West.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9962605/PIERS-MORGAN-9-11-approaches-Bidens-Afghanistan-disaster-cost-presidency.html


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9962141/Tony-Blair-takes-swipe-Joe-Biden-Afghanistan-exit.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9963227/Son-woman-killed-9-11-tells-killer-chief-Biden-stay-away-memorial-events.html


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9961657/Has-Afghan-resistance-fallen-Taliban.html

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    Post  Finty Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:09 am

    And from last week... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58415877


    And before that... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-58195336


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    Post  Finty Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:37 am

    More reminiscing

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9917109/SAS-dramatic-desert-raid-save-troops-Taliban.html

    REVEALED: How elite SAS troops launched dramatic operation to save 20 comrades trapped by advancing Taliban hordes as Kandahar fell - landing a Hercules plane on the desert floor in pitch darkness in 'textbook' raid

    Around 20 SAS men who were surrounded by Taliban have been rescued from the Afghan desert by comrades
    The group who were in Kandahar province sent an SOS to commanders as the area fell to Taliban control
    Military commanders hatched a daring plan to extricate the stranded troops by landing a plane in the desert  
    Sources describe the astonishing raid - which utilised a makeshift airstrip in pitch darkness - as 'textbook'
    By MARK NICOL, DEFENCE EDITOR FOR THE DAILY MAIL and RORY TINGLE, HOME AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT FOR MAILONLINE

    PUBLISHED: 22:00, 22 August 2021 | UPDATED: 08:46, 23 August 2021


    A team of Special Air Service soldiers who were surrounded by Taliban hordes in Kandahar have been rescued in a dramatic desert operation.

    Around 20 elite SAS troops were left stranded in the province hundreds of miles from friendly forces when the militants took over.

    As enemy fighters closed in they sent an SOS request to Special Forces bosses back in Britain calling for immediate extraction.

    But they could not use Kandahar airfield – once home to 26,000 international troops at the height of the military campaign – because it had already been overrun by Taliban. So the SAS soldiers fought their way to a secret desert location where they went into hiding. The coordinates of the location were then relayed back to Special Forces headquarters in a series of coded messages.

    It comes as Boris Johnson prepares to hold a meeting with the leaders of G7 countries to push Joe Biden to delay the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan to allow more time for people to be evacuated.

    The UK wants to double its Kabul airlift numbers to 12,000 this week, but the PM accepts that the success of the mission is reliant on US troops maintaining control of Kabul airport.

    Mr Johnson said last night: 'It is vital that the international community works together to ensure safe evacuations, prevent a humanitarian crisis and support the Afghan people to secure the gains of the last 20 years.'

    Despite the entreaties from fellow leaders, Mr Biden has been non-committal, saying yesterday he 'hopes not to' extend his current deadline. He made a pledge to US citizens that 'any American who wants to get home will get home' but pointedly failed to mention his allies.

    The SAS rescue mission was one of the most dramatic moments of the West's withdrawal from Afghanistan so far.

    As part of the operation, RAF chiefs planning the evacuation of British nationals and entitled Afghans from Kabul airport had to find a transport aircraft capable of landing and taking off again in the desert.

    On Wednesday night online flight trackers picked up a UK Hercules transport aircraft flying over the Gulf, until it turned off its Identification Friend or Foe sensors.

    This ensured flight radars could not follow its route towards the area of desert scrub which SAS troops had identified as a possible landing strip.

    The aircraft, from the RAF's Special Forces wing, made a dramatic landing in the dead of night with the crew wearing digital night-vision goggles.

    A source said: 'It was a very hush, hush mission. Kandahar had fallen to the Taliban on Friday and the guys were down there for five days after that. The enemy were rampant and killing a lot of Afghan Special Forces whom the SAS had been working with. So it was a very urgent mission.

    'Credit to the Hercules crew from 47 Squadron for landing the aircraft at night on rough terrain and getting her airborne again with the guys and their equipment aboard. It was textbook.'

    The aircraft reappeared on Thursday morning on flight trackers as it approached an international military base in Dubai.

    Frustratingly for SAS chiefs the C-130J which rescued their troops is due to be retired as part of the latest reorganisation of the RAF.

    The Hercules is the RAF's major tactical transport aircraft and in its current versions, has been the backbone of UK operational mobility since it was brought into service in 1999. Praised as 'highly flexible' by the RAF, it has the ability to airdrop a variety of both stores and paratroopers, while landing and taking off from natural surfaces, such as a desert strip.

    To conduct these missions, Hercules crews are highly skilled in low-level flying and trained to perform in both day and night.

    The plan to rescue the stranded SAS troops was put together by the Joint Special Forces Aviation Wing. The aircraft and crew came from the RAF's 47 Squadron. It comes as Taliban fighters were on the move last night to take over a key Afghanistan province currently outside of their control.

    In a statement, the insurgents said their soldiers were planning to take control of the region 'after local state officials refused to hand it over peacefully'. But they are expected to meet significant resistance from thousands of ex-government troops who have joined forces with local militia.

    They are led by Ahmad Massoud, the leader of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan, who warned that a new civil war is inevitable without a comprehensive power-sharing agreement.

    Massoud claims to have some 9,000 fighters and has openly conducted training exercises showing recruits performing fitness routines. He also claims to have hundreds of military vehicles as well as five helicopters.

    Pictures have emerged of a string of armoured vehicles lining up on the banks of the Panjshir River.

    Defences are being bolstered at entrances to the Panjshir Valley, the south of which is guarded by a narrow gorge. Massoud said his group wants to push for a new system of government, but is prepared to fight if needed.

    'The Taliban will not last long if it continues on this path,' he said. 'We are ready to defend Afghanistan and we warn of a bloodshed.'

    Inspired by past victories against the Soviets and the Taliban, Panjshiri soldiers have spoken in recent days about 'a fight to the death'.

    Boris Johnson and G7 leaders will plead with Joe Biden to delay the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, amid fears mercy flights could be halted within 48 hours.

    The Prime Minister will use a virtual meeting of world leaders tomorrow to push for more time so thousands are not left behind in the clutches of the Taliban.

    However they could be facing an uphill battle, with the US President refusing to commit to an extension.

    Nearly 6,000 UK citizens and Afghan staff had been airlifted out by the RAF by last night, and, according to reports last night, a further 6,000 people will be flown out this week.

    But the rescue mission is reliant on the American military retaining control of Kabul airport. Along with losing key air support, British military officials fear Islamic State (IS) may also target UK soldiers at Kabul airport in suicide bomb attacks.

    'It is vital that the international community works together to ensure safe evacuations, prevent a humanitarian crisis and support the Afghan people to secure the gains of the last 20 years,' Mr Johnson said last night.

    But, while the PM last night issued his plea for co-operation, last night there appeared little hope of US troops remaining in Afghanistan beyond the end of this month.

    President Biden said yesterday he 'hopes not to' extend his current deadline. He made a pledge to US citizens that 'any American who wants to get home will get home' but pointedly failed to mention his allies.

    It came as dramatic pictures emerged of Taliban fighters and British troops, once sworn enemies, working just yards apart at Kabul airport.

    Downing Street insiders said Mr Johnson will ask the US President at the G7 meeting not to leave Western allies in the lurch.

    Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab and Defence Secretary Ben Wallace have also been in contact with their opposite numbers in Washington on the issue.

    A Whitehall source said last night: 'The situation on the ground is in flux – it would be unwise to impose a rigid deadline at this stage.'

    Mr Biden has set a deadline of August 31 for all Americans to have left the country, but UK military sources said another fortnight was needed.

    Asked what he would say if G7 leaders pushed him, Mr Biden said: 'I will tell them we will see what we can do.'

    British military commanders are understood to have pencilled in August 25 as the last day they can process refugees, including former British interpreters, before the focus shifts to getting about 1,000 British troops and government officials home safely.

    It could mean the last British evacuation flight may have to leave as soon as tomorrow or Wednesday to allow soldiers enough time to withdraw. Reports in the Times today suggested the final date could be pushed back to Friday or Saturday.

    Meanwhile, furious former generals last night urged the Prime Minister to continue the UK's Afghanistan evacuation mission even if the US leaves, in the hoping of getting 'every last Britain out'.



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    Post  Isos Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:43 am

    What a bunch of liars. Taliban agreed not to attack so that everyone leaves peacefully. They saved no one, they just picked them up, probably in Kabul airport.

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    Post  George1 Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:06 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Afghanistan on the brink of civil war

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/asia/taliban-government-announcement-intl/index.html

    Analysis on Kabul Drone Strike Reveals US Unsure About Target
    US Helps Four US Citizens Evacuate Afghanistan by Land
    US Strikes Post-9/11 Killed Up to 48,000 Civilians
    Turkish Technical Team Begins Work at Kabul Airport
    Taliban Tells Berlin It Will Welcome German Companies, Aid
    https://www.antiwar.com/

    https://www.juancole.com/2021/09/taliban-segregation-universities.html

    https://www.juancole.com/2021/09/afghanistan-warlords-whether.html

    Taliban in the Panjshir Gorge - what will happen next with Afghanistan   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3mT1p6lPXc

    Unknown, possibly Indian AF attacked Pakistani SF there: https://youtu.be/pq2I6P-MKqA?t=210

    Haven't you get bored to post all these BS?

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    Post  George1 Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:09 am

    Sujoy wrote:Today CIA chief John Brennan flew down to India to discuss Afghanistan.

    John Brennan had apparently converted to Saudi Wahhabism and conducted Haj. Thereafter, he created ISIS.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna50776554

    To return to our previous discussions for pashtuns, i also see that tajiks of afghanistsn are more than the tajiks of tajikistan. I wonder if they have expressed desire to unite
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    Post  franco Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:25 am

    George1 wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:Today CIA chief John Brennan flew down to India to discuss Afghanistan.

    John Brennan had apparently converted to Saudi Wahhabism and conducted Haj. Thereafter, he created ISIS.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna50776554

    To return to our previous discussions for pashtuns, i also see that tajiks of afghanistsn are more than the tajiks of tajikistan. I wonder if they have expressed desire to unite

    There are more Azerbaijanis people in Iran then in Azerbaijan... similar to the Tajiks situation.

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    Post  Sujoy Thu Sep 09, 2021 7:23 am

    George1 wrote:To return to our previous discussions for pashtuns, i also see that tajiks of afghanistsn are more than the tajiks of tajikistan. I wonder if they have expressed desire to unite
    Joseph Stalin's experiments ensured that thousands of Tajiks were exported to Afghanistan. Tajiks themselves have not demanded a separate Tajik state which can then merge with Tajikistan.

    And given the precarious economic conditions of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan I'm not sure if they want any more people and territory. Already Tajikistan had to cede 4% of its territory to China. And China is still not satisfied.

    https://eurasiantimes.com/after-ladakh-nepal-bhutan-china-now-claims-territory-in-tajikistan/

    There is a growing constituency that is supporting the division of Afghanistan on ethnic lines. North for Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras and South for Pashtuns.

    This will weaken Afghanistan thereby making it that much more difficult for Pashtuns to re take Pashtun areas from Pakistan.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Sep 09, 2021 11:19 am

    @ Sujoy



    If it comes to partition of any country  , then neighbouring states that increase the size of territory and proportion of one ethnic group significantly , by such absorption , may affect stability  . So for Tajiks this will be a positive  , since it can only reinforce the majority . For Pakistan , I am not sure , if addition of Afghan pashtun area , will put pashtuns there in significant majority or will it create an unstable near equality between them and other tribes .

    This is what is actually involved in partition of any country and it is not always positive . So in Pakistan , they have to think very carefully about territorial acquisition on Punjab from India or Baloch from Iran or pashtun from Afghans . Territorial expansion by Pakistan may lead to partition of Pakistan .

    As far as territorial claims by China in Tajik areas , and reasoning from historical justifications , one can equally and more correctly draw conclusions from historic names and most importantly present ethnic mix in these areas . Place names of Kashgar ( farmer in Persian ) and  karagul ( black flower in Turkish ) , together with majority Tajik of nearly 90 percent , make this Chinese claim void . Expansionism by China is as wrong as any other state . China already experiencing minority issues in the East .


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Pakistan

    We can see addition of Afghan pashtuns to Pakistan , creating a more heterogeneous population , with no ethnicity in overall control , leading to weakening or break up .

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    Post  Sujoy Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:45 pm

    Two Turkey Air Force aircraft just landed in Rawalpindi.



    nomadski wrote: I am not sure, if addition of Afghan pashtun area, will put pashtuns there in significant majority or will it create an unstable near equality between them and other tribes.
    It won’t change Pakistan’s demography. Punjabis constitute 45% of Pakistan and Pashtuns just 15%. Even if Pakistan gobbles up all the Pashtun areas of Afghanistan the population of Pashtuns will increase by around 5% -6%.

    nomadski wrote: So in Pakistan , they have to think very carefully about territorial acquisition on Punjab from India or Baloch from Iran or pashtun from Afghans . Territorial expansion by Pakistan may lead to partition of Pakistan.
    Indian Punjab is overwhelmingly Sikh with a sizeable Hindu population. So, they will never want to be a part of Pakistan. Baluchistan, I understand wants to secede from Pakistan.
    Bifurcation of Afghanistan on ethnic lines need not necessarily mean that Pakistan will take over Pashtun areas. But it will certainly make Afghanistan extremely weak. Exactly what Pakistan wants.

    nomadski wrote: As far as territorial claims by China in Tajik areas , and reasoning from historical justifications , one can equally and more correctly draw conclusions from historic names and most importantly present ethnic mix in these areas . Place names of Kashgar ( farmer in Persian ) and karagul ( black flower in Turkish ) , together with majority Tajik of nearly 90 percent , make this Chinese claim void . Expansionism by China is as wrong as any other state . China already experiencing minority issues in the East .
    Not just Tajik. China has laid claim to territory belonging to almost all the countries with which it shares a border.
    May come as a surprise but these Chinese claims have the full backing of the U.S. which of course the U.S doesn’t accept openly. Their idea of the New World Order (G2) is an order where states are tied to a US-led Security Architecture via foundational agreements on the one hand and tied to China's economic web on the other via omnibus agreements.

    Last year’s clash between India & China is a classic example. First the U.S encouraged China to invade India (to keep India busy with China while the US wraps up things in Afghanistan) and then quickly sold a plethora of weapons, foundational agreements to India so that India can “effectively” deal with China.



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    Post  nomadski Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:11 pm

    Maybe Turks giving help to Pak , in conjunction with China perhaps to help Taliban rule of  Afghan pashtuns region in favour of Pakistan as a fall back measure . Thinking perhaps that they could benefit through Uzbeks expansion in the North ! The demographics may not change much , by Pakistan acquisition of Afghan pashtuns region , but geography will change in favour , however political will of pashtuns for independent state or  bigger share of power in Islamabad will prove a source of instability or a headache , offsetting any geographical expansion . Pakistan may want a weak Afghanistan , but it will end up with a weak Pakistan . I am not too sure about this global agreement between China expansion rewarded by American money . The Taiwan is a good example of real disagreements .

    In case of Afghan North-South partition , Iran strategic interests are  met , by easy union through Tajik area to China . So either Taliban share power and Afghan is neutral and all can come and go , including Iran and China . Or partition , then Iran can come and go to China . Or continuous war , then nobody can come and go .
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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:12 am

    franco wrote:There are more Azerbaijanis people in Iran then in Azerbaijan... similar to the Tajiks situation.

    Yes. Ali Hamenei the supreme iranian leader is an iranian azeri
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    Now these bad guys are armed according to all NATO standards, unlike Ukraine Laughing
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    Post  Isos Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:41 am

    When I think about it, it seems they let all those equipement so that Taliban could use them.

    If they really wanted to they could have burnt them quickly. A 1l bottle of oil or alcohol or anything that burns and a lighter is all they needed for each vehicle.

    Soldiers could have done that in 20min. Same with small weapon and equipement, put them togather and burn it in an hangar or in an empty base.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:43 pm

    Iranian position regarding the lack of support for the Northern Afghan region , as an area of strategic interest , comparable to or surpassing in importance the strategic importance of western Asia , is wrong and unforgivable .

    In a war with USA and hence Europe , this region bordered by Turkey and the Med sea , will become useless in terms of trade or supply routes to the rest of the world . As will The Persian Gulf region , due to blockade by American Navy .

    Iran's only realistic supply route will be to Russia and China . Both these routes must be kept open . For this reason alone Iran should foster the unity and support of Afghan Northern tribes , that have a direct route to China and are of ethnic Iranian origin .

    Iranian leadership must set aside reservations regarding minor dislikes and political trends in these communities or propaganda by the religious minority in Iran that such support for these communities is somehow strategically counter productive .

    In case of partition or war or foreign occupation of Afghanistan , Iran's route to China through Afghanistan must be kept clear and open . This may even involve Iran reclaiming a small part of West Afghanistan near Herat , to connect Iran to Tajik areas .

    The NRF political leadership is free to associate ideologically with different trends or philosophy . And should not be rejected simply because a thinker they mention may be a Zionist supporter . As This person may have democratic credentials , that NRF rightly value . As long as the NRF are not Zionist supporters or CIA backed in practice and there is no evidence , since the CIA or Zionists would not leave them without Ammo , and NRF supporters would not shout " shame to America ! " .


    Remember Einstein a Zionist was a scientist . We can not reject his physics . NRF should make this clear , remove Levy , as ideological mentor . Plato is better . But Iran can support communities in North , as a matter of strategic interest . Just support .
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:27 pm

    Isos wrote:When I think about it, it seems they let all those equipement so that Taliban could use them.

    If they really wanted to they could have burnt them quickly. A 1l bottle of oil or alcohol or anything that burns and a lighter is all they needed for each vehicle.

    Soldiers could have done that in 20min. Same with small weapon and equipement, put them togather and burn it in an hangar or in an empty base.

    Burn them.....? I hope you are joking.
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    Post  Isos Fri Sep 10, 2021 2:30 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Isos wrote:When I think about it, it seems they let all those equipement so that Taliban could use them.

    If they really wanted to they could have burnt them quickly. A 1l bottle of oil or alcohol or anything that burns and a lighter is all they needed for each vehicle.

    Soldiers could have done that in 20min. Same with small weapon and equipement, put them togather and burn it in an hangar or in an empty base.

    Burn them.....? I hope you are joking.

    Why not ? Vehicles burn quickly which makes them unusable and all the soldiers equipement like jackets and bags or optics would also burn.

    Small weapons are made if plastics sometimes and would also melt which even if not destroyed would make them unusable.

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