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    Taliban takeover of Afghanistan

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    Post  Mir Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:09 pm

    RTN wrote:Bombing an enemy in high altitude areas like the Panjshir Valley and forcing them to surrender is always difficult. The fact that Pakistani Air Force (PAF) was able to achieve this especially their F-16 pilots, proves how competent their Air Force is.

    India got a chance 2 years ago to bomb an alleged Pakistani militant hideout in a high altitude area and completely botched up.

    Maybe this is why PAF pilots are in such high demand even in Middle Eastern countries.

    Pakistan seems to like the JF-17 more. The JF-17 will replace all older fighters. Very few F-16 Block 52's are in service. They don't plan to buy any more F-16's.
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    Post  Isos Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:41 pm

    Bombing targets in afghanistan is like training. Their is no real danger for them.

    Anyway Pakistan needs afghan against India for startegical deapth. Pakistan isn't a large country and India can target any target quickly from their own airspace and in case of a blitzkrieg they would quickly reach the other side of pakistan.

    In the future Pakistan will probably try to annexe Afganistan to step back its military stuff by creating ammo depot, air bases and missiles.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:53 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:https://www.news18.com/news/opinion/resistance-is-futile-why-panjshir-falling-to-the-taliban-is-inevitable-4172375.html

    Some holdouts will be there next spring, & the springs after that- until the Talibs' grip is weakened & outsiders start supporting them again.

    World Governments are truly out for themselves only.

    There may be some world governments who still have honor, but apparently not.

    Well, maybe Tajikistan, the only one in the world, who spoke up. Certainly not the USA. Sad to say.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:15 am

    Don't know if Taliban is responsible or US State Department

    US accuses Taliban of stopping Americans from leaving
    The United States has accused the Taliban of stopping Americans and Afghans from leaving the country through the Mazar-i-Sharif International Airport.


    Texas Republican Michael McCaul said that six planes carrying U.S. citizens and Afghan interpreters had been trying to leave the airport for 'the last couple of days'.

    '[The State Department] has cleared these flights and the Taliban will not let them leave the airport,' he told Fox News, adding that he believed this was 'because the Taliban want something in exchange'.

    The State Department acknowledged in an email to Congress members that there were charter flights waiting at the airport that the Taliban would not allow to leave until the group had approved the departure.

    It is not clear how many people are aboard the planes, though an NGO estimated the number could be as high as 1,000

    The Taliban has denied it is preventing people from leaving, describing the allegation as 'propaganda'.

    The accusation came as Kabul airport reopened for domestic flights after assistance from Qatar.

    However the airport was still without functioning radar or navigation systems on Monday, making it difficult to resume international flights.

    A top aviation official at the airport said a small number of domestic flights were able to resume with temporary radio communications between air traffic controllers and pilots.

    But pilots have to navigate takeoff and landing visually, Ghirlandaio Jailani Wafa added.


    Dem Sen. Blumenthal 'furious' over Biden admin delaying Americans trying to leave Afghanistan

    Democratic senator tears into Biden administration for stranding Americans citizens


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blumenthal-furious-biden-admin-delaying-americans-leaving-afghanistan
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:07 am

    Apparently still some fighting, according to twitter

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    Deputy governor of Panjshir says, heavy fighting is underway in Panjshir and Andarab. Taliban suffered heavy Cusuallties.





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    So far thousands took to the streets to welcome the announcement of national uprising against Taliban by
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    in the following provinces:
    Daykundi, Mazar Sharif, Kabul, Ghazni, Ghor, Herat.








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    Armed uprising against the Taliban in Andarab. Heavy fighting is going on in Pul-e-Hesar. It is claimed that the area is cleaned from Taliban.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:09 am

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    Supporters of National Resistance Front right now in Washington DC...








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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:25 am

    The only government posting in news, about Panjshir is the Russian.
    That and Iran on twitter, condemning Pakistan using drones. (Well, exactly what Iran said: "The Iranian Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a strong warning to Pakistan over its involvement in the Panjshir operation in Afghanistan. Issuing a statement, Iran called the Taliban's military offensive 'truly worrying' and said that it would initiate a probe into Pakistan's role in the attack. Condemning 'all foreign interference', Iran's foreign ministry". Was in the Times of India.)


    Intensive clashes continue between resistance forces, Taliban in Panjshir
    The fighting is also underway in Andarab district in the neighboring Baghlan Province, the source said

    CAIRO, September 7. /TASS/. Intensive fighting continues in Afghanistan’s northern Panjshir Province which did not yield to the Taliban radical movement (outlawed in Russia) that seized power in the country, a source close to the National Resistance Front in the region told TASS in the early hours of Tuesday.

    "Since Sunday night, the positions of resistance fighters have been attacked by drones, so many of them had to retreat and leave for high-mountain areas. On Monday, intensive clashes continued and they have been underway until now," the source said, noting that the fighting is also underway in Andarab district in the neighboring Baghlan Province.

    According to the source, due to the tense situation in the Panjshir Gorge and constant shelling on the part of the Taliban "the majority of local residents left their homes and went high into the mountains."

    Additionally, the source confirmed information that the Taliban made public earlier that the movement managed to capture the office of the region’s governor as well as the mausoleum of Ahmad Shah Massoud (1953-2001), the father of Ahmad Massoud who leads the armed resistance in the province.

    On Monday, Taliban spokesperson Zabiullah Mujahid reported that Panjshir was completely controlled by the Taliban and the war on Afghanistan’s territory was over.

    In his turn, Ahmad Massoud announced that the resistance to the radicals continues, urging all Afghanistan’s citizens to join the national uprising. Representative of the resistance fighters Ali Maisam Nazary specified later that the resistance is adopting the guerilla war tactics.

    https://tass.com/world/1334613
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:01 am

    I wonder if Russia has some Tajikistan observer there? Reporting back to Russia?


    Still posting a few photos on twitter

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    The love of the people is what motivates us to resist the evil of #Taliban and its #terror .









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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:23 am

    Iran slams Pakistan’s role in Panjshir



    Read more at:
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/85992104.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst




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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:53 am

    Pfft they have been massively pushed back these rebels, any small uprising will be crushed by the Taliban, its over. Those twitter post are nothing but publicity stunts hoping for support.

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:48 am

    George1 wrote: what actually the pashtuns of Pakistan think of all these?
    i mean, do they consider themselves ethnic afghans or pakistanis? have they expressed the desire to get unified again with afghanistan?
    Since Sunni Muslims are brainwashed from childhood with anti India (and of late anti Shia) literature Pashtuns living in Pakistan consider themselves to be Pakistanis and India as their main enemy.

    However, fault lines exist. Pashtuns in Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) treasure their long-standing autonomy and do not like to be ruled by Islamabad. They want North Western Frontier Province (NWFP) to merge with FATA.

    Pahtuns also feel that they are being used by the Punjabi establishment as cannon fodder both in their "war" against India and the war on terror. For instance, most victims of U.S drone strikes in Pakistan are Pashtuns.

    Pashtun protests were provoked by the January 13, 2018 extra-judicial killing of a Pashtun youth, Naqeebullah Mehsud in Karachi by a Punjabi police officer. This encounter led to the creation of Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) that has over the past few years taken the Pashtun belt in Pakistan by storm.

    So if Pashtuns of Pakistan continue to feel that their rights are being trampled, they might not remain loyal to the Pakistani administration for a very long time.

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    Post  Maximmmm Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:25 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:Natiq Malikzada
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    Supporters of National Resistance Front right now in Washington DC...


    You know the movement is doomed when they start holding DC rallies. Laughing
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    Post  medo Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:27 am

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    Don't trust too much on NRF and Indian sources. They are as reliable as Grimm brothers... On the picture is USAF F-16, which crash in Arizona in 2018, which has nothing to do with Panjshir and PAF...

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    Post  RTN Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:07 am

    medo wrote: On the picture is USAF F-16, which crash in Arizona in 2018, which has nothing to do with Panjshir and PAF...
    Afghanistan resistance force does not have the capability to shoot down an F-16. But it is a reality that PAf is using F-16s apart from JF-17 and Chinese made drones to strike the afghan resistance in Panjshir valley.

    Mir wrote:Pakistan seems to like the JF-17 more. The JF-17 will replace all older fighters. Very few F-16 Block 52's are in service. They don't plan to buy any more F-16's.
    Razz Razz  From which planet do you come from? Pakistan is begging us for more F-16 Block D.

    JF-17 can't even carry Russian made air to air and stand off missiles. Even Indian Mig 29s are more capable than Pakistani JF-17.
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    Post  Mir Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:54 am

    RTN wrote:
    Razz Razz  From which planet do you come from? Pakistan is begging us for more F-16 Block D.

    JF-17 can't even carry Russian made air to air and stand off missiles. Even Indian Mig 29s are more capable than Pakistani JF-17.

    So why don't you give them more Block 50 F-16's? Then they can stop buying this piece of Chinese scrap metal Laughing
    They desperately need to replace all the old F-16's just 14 Block 50's won't do against India's nearly 300 su-30MKI's, 70 Mig-29UPG's and the 36 Rafale fighter jets!


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    Post  George1 Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:59 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    George1 wrote: what actually the pashtuns of Pakistan think of all these?
    i mean, do they consider themselves ethnic afghans or pakistanis? have they expressed the desire to get unified again with afghanistan?
    Since Sunni Muslims are brainwashed from childhood with anti India (and of late anti Shia) literature Pashtuns living in Pakistan consider themselves to be Pakistanis and India as their main enemy.

    However, fault lines exist. Pashtuns in Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) treasure their long-standing autonomy and do not like to be ruled by Islamabad. They want North Western Frontier Province (NWFP) to merge with FATA.

    Pahtuns also feel that they are being used by the Punjabi establishment as cannon fodder both in their "war" against India and the war on terror. For instance, most victims of U.S drone strikes in Pakistan are Pashtuns.

    Pashtun protests were provoked by the January 13, 2018 extra-judicial killing of a Pashtun youth, Naqeebullah Mehsud in Karachi by a Punjabi police officer. This encounter led to the creation of Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) that has over the past few years taken the Pashtun belt in Pakistan by storm.

    So if Pashtuns of Pakistan continue to feel that their rights are being trampled, they might not remain loyal to the Pakistani administration for a very long time.

    thanks, situationseems to be very complex
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    Post  RTN Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:24 am

    Mir wrote:So why don't you give them more Block 50 F-16's? Then they can stop buying this piece of Chinese scrap metal Laughing
    Because those Pakistani beggars can't afford to pay for the F-16s. They want us to extend a line of credit which we won't.

    JF-17 is perfectly suited for hell holes like Pakistan especially when Chinese loan amount helps them to purchase it in the first place.
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    Post  medo Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:27 pm

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    Post  George1 Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:53 pm

    Taliban fighters open fire to disperse anti-Pakistan protest in Kabul — agency

    According to the news outlet, about 70 people gathered in front of the Pakistani embassy in the Afghan capital, "waving posters and chanting anti-Pakistan slogans"

    MOSCOW, September 7. /TASS/. The Taliban (outlawed in Russia) opened fire to disperse an anti-Pakistan protest in Afghanistan’s capital of Kabul, the France Presse news agency reported on Tuesday.

    According to the news outlet, about 70 people gathered in front of the Pakistani embassy in the Afghan capital, "waving posters and chanting anti-Pakistan slogans." Taliban fighters are reported to have "fired in the air several times in order to disperse dozens of Afghans protesting against Pakistan’s interference in Afghanistan’s affairs."

    The TOLOnews TV channel, in turn, said that the protesters were carrying slogans that read "'Pakistan, Pakistan, leave Afghanistan."

    https://tass.com/world/1334677

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:05 pm


    Not so easy to govern


    'Our resistance will continue': Son of the legendary 'Lion of Panjshir' says his men are NOT defeated despite the Taliban claiming total victory over Afghanistan with the capture of the valley as protests erupt against the regime in Kabul
    Ahmad Massoud, the Sandhurst-educated leader, says his men are not defeated

    'We are in Panjshir and our Resistance will continue,' he tweeted
    Comes as Taliban claimed he had fled to Turkey and the valley was conquered
    But the resistance say that they are only pushed back as fair as the mountains

    And while the Taliban holds the villages, it will wage a guerilla war to oust them
    Comes as Taliban fired into air at protests for freedom in Kabul on Tuesday
    Pro-resistance social media accounts are fighting an information battle against Taliban propagandists and claim that they will never surrender, that time is on their side and the jihadists will eventually be vanquished once more.
    Today scores of protesters in Kabul chanted the name of Ahmad Massoud as they called for rights for women, work and freedom of movement.

    Taliban fighters fired into the air to disperse the crowds, some of whom fled in terror.

    Their bravery in standing up to the jihadists comes as the Taliban still haven't managed to form a government, leaving the country in a chaotic limbo as many people, particularly women, have lost their jobs.

    The UN has warned that food stocks could run low by the end of the month as the country braces for an economic meltdown.

    Ramiz Alakbarov, the UN's deputy special representative for Afghanistan, said that a third of the population was already going hungry.

    'More than half of Afghan children do not know whether they'll have a meal tonight or not,' Alakbarov said at a news briefing last Wednesday. 'That's the reality of the situation we're facing on the ground.'

    Afghanistan's economy is in tatters after the West withdrew funding following the fall of the government last month.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9964957/Our-resistance-continue-Son-Lion-Panjshir-says-men-NOT-defeated-Taliban.html

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:09 pm

    Taliban arrest Kabul activists protesting against Pakistan — news agency
    Earlier, it was reported that hundreds of Afghans marched in Kabul on Tuesday carrying slogans criticizing Pakistan


    TASS, September 7. The Taliban (outlawed in Russia) militants, which took over Afghanistan, detained Kabul activists demonstrating against Pakistan’s presence in their country, the Ashwaq news agency announced on Tuesday.

    The Afghan agency posted a video on Twitter showing police and military vehicles taking away the detained activists, while some shots rang out.

    The news agency also reported that the radicals arrested several journalists who were covering the protests in Kabul. The TOLOnews TV channel mentioned that one of its cameramen was among those detained, while the channel’s Director Lotfullah Najafizada called on the Taliban to immediately release the journalist.

    As Najafizada previously tweeted, hundreds of Afghans marched in Kabul on Tuesday carrying slogans criticizing Pakistan. The activists shouted anti-Pakistani slogans, accusing Islamabad of interfering in Afghan internal affairs.

    https://tass.com/world/1334749
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    BILAL SARWARY Retweeted
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    Sami Jayesh reporter for
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     was detained and taken to unknown place by Taliban while he was reporting today's protest in Kabul.










    BILAL SARWARY
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    #AFG Wahid Ahmadi a cameraman for
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    taken away by Taliban soldiers, his camera and equipments seized while covering the demonstrations in Kabul. Taliban continue to make promises about allowing a free press but fail to adhere to freedom of press.






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    Post  nomadski Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:03 pm

    I think Taliban should leave other tribal areas and return to pashtun areas in Afghan and Pakistan . The same for other armed tribal groups . Return to own areas . Kabul should be declared a neutral zone , with only police presence . If Pakistan will not close border against heavy weapon shipments to Tribal groups , then Afghanistan other neighbours can not do the same either . Best to cooperate together . Aid should be provided immediately to avert starvation . Directly to Tribal regions by all nations .

    Afghan have a constitution and can build on that . Build a Republic that is democratic and represents fairly all groups . Democracy should be the banner for all Afghans not religious sects or tribal affiliations . Taliban do not represent all Afghans and they do not want an elected government . Therefore NO recognition should be given as legitimate government of all Afghans . They barely have majority support from Pashtuns themselves .

    No discrimination should be made against any group of tribe for ideology or choice of friends . The only factor is their willingness to form a representative government and live at peace with others . The Taliban does not qualify !

    Iranian government should not attend invitation by Taliban to recognise as government . Iran can send separate envoys to each tribal group to recognise each as Afghans with equal rights . Including Pashtuns . Provide aid directly to each population . And organise a defence for each against attack by others . So each tribe is a mini-nation for now . Until a new multi-tribe child or non-tribal child is born to rule all Afghans . Iran and China can be midwife ? Or perhaps Russia and Europe ?

    What can result initially may not  be a unitary state with uniform national laws . It may end up being a federation , with some laws in common and some reserved for regions . Similar arrangement may benefit all these under-developed regions  . Much better than civil war or partition or foreign occupation .

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