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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:58 pm

    jhelb wrote: Of course. Hindus are an extremely backward, dirt poor, corrupt race. That's his problem not mine. Millions of these poor, backward Hindus migrate to Russia and the West. Inferiority chip firmly embedded on their shoulders.

    We don't have millions of Hindus migrating to Russia. In fact barely any

    The Indian population in Russia is about 30,000. 1/3rd of those are students, mostly in the medical field, who overwhelmingly after studies either go back to India (where doctors are paid a lot more relative to the average salary than in Russia), or Europe/America. And the rest are mostly businessmen, sometimes some expat specialists, Indians who married a Russian, or the odd student who stays to work in Russia.

    jhelb wrote:
    Spare me. Why is it that predominantly White countries are always developed and predominantly dark skinned countries are always backward.

    Is that why India up until the 17th century accounted for 20% of the world's GDP?

    And you should also check out white-skinned Europe 1000 years ago, compared to the Middle East of that time.

    jhelb wrote:I'm not a Westerner. Thousands of us Russians have to work in the West because they themselves are not always capable of carrying out high end work, so they need us. Most Russians in the West are highly skilled.

    Sorry dude your rhetoric is far more that of a white nationalist of America/Europe, etc... than of a Russian neo-Nazi - few of which have seen a Hindu in their life or are much concerned by them

    You also speak English perfectly, which further dismisses the probability of you being a Russian ethno-nationalist.

    These third world people of Asia and Africa are not liked anywhere in the West. They are mostly illegals, low skilled workers and have a criminal bent of mind. About time Russia bans their entry too.  Even the U.K will not allow Indians to enter even if they have taken both the jabs.

    They can be used for cheap labour and there's plenty more where they came from. In the case of Indians they also typically speak English.The perfect drone specimen for the office hives. So while you don't like them, I'm sure your boss would.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:19 pm

    jhelb wrote:...thousands of forum members and non forum members...

    Yeah, right lol1

    There's maybe 30 of us here plus 50 to 100 visitors tops

    Even on the best of day this place gets low triple digit traffic



    jhelb wrote:...Millions of these poor, backward Hindus migrate to Russia...

    On which planet is this Russia with millions Hindus located exactly?



    jhelb wrote:...Russians are renowned the world over for their/our high IQ...

    Massive number of Russian antivaxxers says otherwise



    jhelb wrote:...To elevate the experience of people who visit this forum we need smart forum members...

    Really?

    So why are you here?

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    Post  jhelb Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:25 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Is that why India up until the 17th century accounted for 20% of the world's GDP?
    And how did this purported rich country become one of the poorest? They couldn't fight against muslims and the Brits. Because they were both superior to Hindus. However, these same muslims and Brits lost every single time they tried to invade Russia.

    flamming_python wrote:The Indian population in Russia is about 30,000.
    And how many of them are legal migrants?

    flamming_python wrote:1/3rd of those are students, mostly in the medical field, who overwhelmingly after studies either go back to India
    Why can't they study in India? Why don't thousands of Russian kids migrate to India in search of education or jobs?

    Because this is Russia



    and this is India



    flamming_python wrote:You also speak English perfectly, which further dismisses the probability of you being a Russian ethno-nationalist.
    Your English is better than mine. You must be a Yankee then. Several Russians on this form write perfect English. Probably they are all Anglo-Saxons, by your logic.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:01 am

    jhelb wrote:And how did this purported rich country become one of the poorest? They couldn't fight against muslims and the Brits. Because they were both superior to Hindus. However, these same muslims and Brits lost every single time they tried to invade Russia.

    They weren't a unified country but a collection of different principalities and kingdoms, and so the rest was easy

    And how many of them are legal migrants?

    All of them

    Do you really think that Indians are clambering to migrate to Russia? Where they don't know the language, are not acclimatized to the climate and local cuisine, have almost nothing of an existing community, and where the wages are lower than in Europe and America which do not have the rest of these disadvantages for Indians either?

    Why can't they study in India? Why don't thousands of Russian kids migrate to India in search of education or jobs?

    Because this is Russia



    and this is India


    It's a poorer, less developed country without the same level of experience in science, medicine and engineering as Russia and the pedigree of its leading universities. Although I should note that most of the Indian medical students here are the ones who failed their entrance exams into Indian institutes, and then turned to study abroad instead of waiting a whole year to retake the exam. For medical studies abroad Russia is the most popular country for Indians, due to the combination of low-prices, safety and reputation. But this is about it.

    I also can find you any pair of images you like, that will depict India as a developed cosmopolitan zone and Russia as a run-down village

    flamming_python wrote:Your English is better than mine. You must be a Yankee then. Several Russians on this form write perfect English. Probably they are all Anglo-Saxons, by your logic.

    Your English does not exhibit the typical idioms, linguistic idiosyncrasies and errors that characterize those of Russian-speakers writing in English.  

    And don't judge by myself. I'm just awesome, so I'm the exception.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:53 am

    And how did this purported rich country become one of the poorest? They couldn't fight against muslims and the Brits. Because they were both superior to Hindus. However, these same muslims and Brits lost every single time they tried to invade Russia.

    Yeah, I think you are using the wrong measures of strength and superiority... the advantages of the west was its coverage... it has invaded and ransacked the world so it has access to all sorts of intelligent solutions and ideas that it can use to improve its own situation... much like the Borg scooping up technology and ideas.

    As you mention yourself... at the front line of western technology and business is Russians and Chinese and Indians and all sorts of foreigners all working for better pay and conditions... if everyone starts to realise that printed money with nothing to back it up is play money and has no value then the western house of cards will collapse.

    As the world moves from survival of the fittest to something more akin to... we have too many people and the resources to keep them happy are getting smaller and smaller... we can either fight it out or we can share and divide so everyone has enough rather than the current state of affairs where most don't have enough and a tiny few have more than they could ever need but still want more.

    The west is the successful virus but it does not realise its success is going to kill this body... a body it can't survive without.

    BTW criticising the hindus for their actions and religion when it is the US and the west that think of war as a money earner and a normal state of affairs and if a popular president withdraws them from a conflict with no solution they complain and want to kick him out as president... that is how much they love profit from war...

    But they claim to be the civilised ones... how can they call themselves christian?

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    Post  Scorpius Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:47 am

    a little hate from me. The FSB decided to prohibit the transfer of any information about the space program outside the country. In addition, many more information are subject to the ban, despite the fact that none of them have the status of state secrets. So now any Russian leading a discussion on foreign forums can be declared a foreign agent.

    My God, what kind of idiots came up with this.

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    Post  kvs Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:41 pm

    Scorpius wrote:a little hate from me. The FSB decided to prohibit the transfer of any information about the space program outside the country. In addition, many more information are subject to the ban, despite the fact that none of them have the status of state secrets. So now any Russian leading a discussion on foreign forums can be declared a foreign agent.

    My God, what kind of idiots came up with this.

    I doubt that this applies to discussion of news reports. You would have to supply the information first hand from working for Roscosmos or associated enterprises.
    If people do this, then they are legitimate targets even if it is non-military information.

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    Post  Scorpius Fri Oct 01, 2021 5:33 pm

    kvs wrote:

    I doubt that this applies to discussion of news reports.   You would have to supply the information first hand from working for Roscosmos or associated enterprises.
    If people do this, then they are legitimate targets even if it is non-military information.


    You missed the point. The original text contains a clause for many items "except when the information is taken from open sources." For the part about the Russian space program, it says "except when it comes to an object of scientific or socio-economic purpose." That is, a ban, including on information from ANY sources OTHER than these objects. That is, all launches from Plesetsk, for example, are now prohibited from disclosing information.

    And it is separately stipulated that the dissemination of any information about promising research is prohibited. And about any space or planetary vehicles using nuclear energy.
    ...although the very wording "or planetary" says more than it should.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:08 am

    The US and the west have been making this a war for the last 30 years... well the first 10 they thought they had won and that Russia was finished and China would not become a problem because they would both follow US and European culture and become carbon copies of the west... but like most other countries they retained their own culture but have evolved into potential rivals and therefore enemies so sanctions and hostility are the automatic responses which Russia and China are now responding to in kind... assimilation or independence and we want to to behave and be good little puppies that act like us and follow our commands and honestly I for one am glad you are resisting.

    The question is... how long before the west accepts other power poles who are not our subservient bitches are going to be normal.

    The west will accept someone who is not sure what their gender is today, but being Russian is not acceptable... I kinda get the feeling that the LGBT letter parade will get CM for Child Molester before it gets RN for Russian National... in which case who will want to join that freakshow...

    Both sides of the political spectrum have been in power over the last 20 years and none of them seem to be prepared to accept a strong Russia or a strong China for that matter, and so they are all focussed on spending money on a new cold war to protect themselves from countries that are not a threat to them at all... in any way....
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:35 pm

    The vast majority of members of this forum who are Russian citizens are in all likelihood not privy to any privileged information related to the Russian defence and aerospace industry. The rest of us, we are neither Russian citizens nor do we live in Russia.

    Almost all the threads are devoted towards analyzing open source information and passing value judgements on them.

    So I am not sure if we are still violating any of the new Terms & Conditions that has been released by the FSB.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:57 pm

    Scorpius wrote:...That is, all launches from Plesetsk, for example, are now prohibited from disclosing information....

    Well it's not like anyone can just post stuff about what happens at Vandenberg Air Force Base either, those places are classified for a reason

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    Post  Mir Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:18 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Mir wrote:Excess to and from the Mediterranean Sea is quite vital for Russia. Large amphibian ships like the Mitrofan Moskalenko would play a vital role in attempting to keep the many choke points open along the way. The Pacific has similar choke points but Russia has some good friends in the area. Not too many friendly nations with big naval ships in the Black Sea though.

    Egypt, Algier, Syria, Libia ... I would say that they are more comfortable than it was in the SU times.

    The situation was slightly better during Soviet times with perhaps Egypt as the flip-flop exception. The Soviets had fairly large facilities in Syria and Libya in particular with a number of ships an subs practically on permanent duty in the Med.

    According to IISS 86-87 they normally had between 6-8 subs, 4-8 principle surface combatants and 2 amphibious ships with a few support ships A number of "tattle tale" spy ships also maintained a presence in the Med. Their principle task was to track the 6th Fleet subs. The Soviets even had facilities in Tunisia and had some limited access to Yugoslavian ports as well.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:36 pm


    They had no access to Yugoslavia

    Also unlike today almost all Mediterranean nations were openly hostile to them (with couple of exceptions and those were hardly happy about having to deal with them, USSR had dogshit influence)

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    Post  Isos Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    They had no access to Yugoslavia

    Also unlike today almost all Mediterranean nations were openly hostile to them (with couple of exceptions and those were hardly happy about having to deal with them, USSR had dogshit influence)

    It didn't turn good for any of them at the end. Only Syria which supported Russia/USSR since the begining is still resisting.

    The rest became US dogs after coups and wars.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:51 pm

    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    They had no access to Yugoslavia

    Also unlike today almost all Mediterranean nations were openly hostile to them (with couple of exceptions and those were hardly happy about having to deal with them, USSR had dogshit influence)

    It didn't turn good for any of them at the end. Only Syria which supported Russia/USSR since the begining is still resisting.

    The rest became US dogs after coups and wars.

    Turned out even worse for USSR, they became US dogs after coups and wars, disintegrated and ceased to exist afterwards Russia became US dog after coup and wars for nearly 20 years

    Tip: don't run your nation like it's a charity org, nobody will thank you

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    Post  Hole Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:24 pm

    Russia is already the second largest producer of civilian (= cargo) ships in the world.

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    Post  Mir Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:25 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    They had no access to Yugoslavia

    Also unlike today almost all Mediterranean nations were openly hostile to them (with couple of exceptions and those were hardly happy about having to deal with them, USSR had dogshit influence)

    It is referred to as "Limited Pre-Announced Shipyard Access Only" and included both Split and Tivat. Clearly not basing rights though but limited access - yes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_Union_military_bases_abroad#cite_note-2

    The Soviets even had a submarine base in Albania but this arrangement ended in 1962.

    On the other hand Greece (a NATO) country maintained good trade and diplomatic relations with the Soviets - especially under the Papandreou's Socialist government.
    The Soviets maintained anchorage rights at Kythera for a number of years.

    Soviet auxiliary vessels also regularly underwent major repair work at the British-run but Greek-owned Neorion shipyards, on the Aegean island of Syros.

    In fact the Aegean Sea was of prime importance for the Soviets as this was the crucial lifeline between the Black and Mediterranean Sea.

    The North African coastline and Syria provided a safe umbrella for the Soviet Navy and it's aviation assets. As I've mentioned  Egypt was a bit of a dark horse back in the 70's but things look on the up and up for now for the Russian Navy.
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    Post  Mir Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:31 pm


    Turned out even worse for USSR, they became US dogs after coups and wars, disintegrated and ceased to exist afterwards Russia became US dog after coup and wars for nearly 20 years

    Tip: don't run your nation like it's a charity org, nobody will thank you


    Sounds sooo Balkan don't you think? Laughing
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    Post  Arrow Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:56 pm

    Wow impressive Shocked   Especially since a country with a primitive oil ,gas and other natural resource based economy does it, as many pseudo-experts claim.

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    Post  Isos Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:01 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    They had no access to Yugoslavia

    Also unlike today almost all Mediterranean nations were openly hostile to them (with couple of exceptions and those were hardly happy about having to deal with them, USSR had dogshit influence)

    It didn't turn good for any of them at the end. Only Syria which supported Russia/USSR since the begining is still resisting.

    The rest became US dogs after coups and wars.

    Turned out even worse for USSR, they became US dogs after coups and wars, disintegrated and ceased to exist afterwards Russia became US dog after coup and wars for nearly 20 years

    Tip: don't run your nation like it's a charity org, nobody will thank you


    USSR collapse happened because of inside shit. Not because of USA.

    Yelstin sold an empty Russia to west but Putin solve that quickly. USA gained nothing from the 90s Russia.

    The other countries you mentionned were basically destroyed by direct US interventions, even if for most they were their friends.

    I guess the tip should be "don't ever be US friend". Even one of their top guy said something like that "being US enemy is dangerous, being its friend is fatal".

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    Post  x_54_u43 Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:55 am

    Hole wrote:Russia is already the second largest producer of civilian (= cargo) ships in the world.

    Really now lol? I suppose I should go inform the South Koreans and the Chinese, with South Korea having one shipyard with 11 Goliath cranes, the same type that Zvezda with the fact that Zvezda only has two of them and the shipyard itself still isn't fully built and is relying on South Korean shipyards to provide some prebuilt sections for them.

    So by what metric is this statement based on?

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:57 am

    Mir wrote:

    Turned out even worse for USSR, they became US dogs after coups and wars, disintegrated and ceased to exist afterwards Russia became US dog after coup and wars for nearly 20 years

    Tip: don't run your nation like it's a charity org, nobody will thank you


    Sounds sooo Balkan don't you think? Laughing

    To our credit at least we weren't giving away free shit to any clown who said he liked us

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:01 am

    Hole wrote:Russia is already the second largest producer of civilian (= cargo) ships in the world.

    Third

    They overtook Japan last year but that's as far as anyone can get

    Top two spots are South Korea and China and nobody will ever touch those two, it's impossible






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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:16 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Hole wrote:Russia is already the second largest producer of civilian (= cargo) ships in the world.

    Third

    They overtook Japan last year but that's as far as anyone can get

    Top two spots are North Korea and China and nobody will ever touch those two, it's impossible


    South Korea you mean

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:23 am

    Isos wrote:
    USSR collapse happened because of inside shit. Not because of USA.

    Yelstin sold an empty Russia to west but Putin solve that quickly. USA gained nothing from the 90s Russia.

    The other countries you mentionned were basically destroyed by direct US interventions, even if for most they were their friends.

    I guess the tip should be "don't ever be US friend". Even one of their top guy said something like that "being US enemy is dangerous, being its friend is fatal".
    The USSR was allowed to implode because the technological advancements of the digital revolution have rendered mass mobilization armies obsolete.

    Reduced manpower needs means the resource draining provinces are let go, sacrificed so that much of the energy revenues would be devoted entirely to the modernization of the metropole and her armed forces.

    In particular, the warsaw pact was dissolved to make way for the economic relationship between Europe's industrial powers which would supply much of the needed technology and funding necessary to complete that modernization.

    Sometimes for the empire to survive you have to split it. The Eastern Roman empire outlasted the Western one by nearly a millenium, and if it weren't for some horrible bad luck, would have regained the Western part at some point.

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