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    S-500 'Prometheus' missile system

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    Post  Arrow Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:33 am

    This is probably a brand new missile. It is larger, it can have new engines, a new type of fuel that is more energetic, the body is partly made of composites, new materials resistant to high temperatures. It is known that the 77N6 is based on the aerodynamic concept of the 9M82 and 53T6.

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    Post  Hole Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:51 am

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    Post  RTN Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:13 pm

    Arrow wrote:This is probably the 77N6 which is based on the 9M82.  This has been known for some time.  Anyway, you can see from the movie that they are similar missiles.  The 40N6 missile is based on the 48N6DM.
    Did they use the new radar to test fire this missile?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:56 pm

    The older missiles had monstrous kinematics that the limited guidance and control laws of the time never really tapped the full potentiality of; is it really strange if all they did is just update the seekers and et voila - there's your S-500?

    I am suggesting the S-300V might have formed the basic design for the new missile but just replacing the rocket fuel and warhead would not allow interception of targets moving at 7km per second, or targets 600km away from the launcher.

    Watching the video posted of that launch when the missile clears the launch tube there is a censorship blur that hides the actual shape of the missile and its booster.

    Certainly the launch tubes look like the large S-300V missiles, but it will be interesting to see the missile lying next to a launch tube at an airshow... might have to wait till 2023 for that one though.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:03 am

    A good shot.

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:46 pm

    The smug reference to S-300 system missiles is so much drivel. They were better than anything the west had. To this day
    the NATzO west has failed to produce the level of the S-400. The Patriot shit is not worth discussing. The Soviet and Russian
    superiority goes back to the 1950s. Americans focused on their aircraft, the USSR responded by anti-aircraft missile development.
    Listening to the dismissive talk one would think that the USA has been always on top. BS.

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    Post  Isos Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:08 pm

    kvs wrote:The smug reference to S-300 system missiles is so much drivel.   They were better than anything the west had.   To this day
    the NATzO west has failed to produce the level of the S-400.    The Patriot shit is not worth discussing.     The Soviet and Russian
    superiority goes back to the 1950s.   Americans focused on their aircraft, the USSR responded by anti-aircraft missile development.
    Listening to the dismissive talk one would think that the USA has been always on top.   BS.


    Well I wouldn't be one sided like you are.

    Having an airforce is better than relying only on air defence which way more limitations.

    USSR never choosed ground AD over the air force since their air force was as huge as NATO air forces togather.
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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:01 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Well I wouldn't be one sided like you are.

    Having an airforce is better than relying only on air defence which way more limitations.

    USSR never choosed ground AD over the air force since their air force was as huge as NATO air forces togather.

    99% of the time aircraft are static targets on the ground. Who's defending them while they are at their most vulnerable?

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    Post  Isos Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:26 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Well I wouldn't be one sided like you are.

    Having an airforce is better than relying only on air defence which way more limitations.

    USSR never choosed ground AD over the air force since their air force was as huge as NATO air forces togather.


    99% of the time aircraft are static targets on the ground. Who's defending them while they are at their most vulnerable?

    And what you gonna use to attack them ? S-400 ? Nope. Cruise missiles ? Yes but that would be 1 missile for aircraft and if they detect your launches they can move them.

    AD fills the gap to protect your ground forces against enemy aviation but if you don't have an airforce it will be quickly destroyed.
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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:05 pm

    Isos wrote:
    And what you gonna use to attack them ? S-400 ? Nope. Cruise missiles ? Yes but that would be 1 missile for aircraft and if they detect your launches they can move them.

    AD fills the gap to protect your ground forces against enemy aviation but if you don't have an airforce it will be quickly destroyed.
    And I'm asking you how are you going to defend your air force while its on the ground? Repositioning is a temporary measure; I only need to be successful once and you would have significantly grown your air force exponentially after I'm done. Remember, you are not only facing possible attack from enemy airpower itself, but non-contact strikes from anything to include ballistic, cruise missiles to even kamikazee drones that even non-state actors could possess.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:24 pm

    Russia has in fact to independent IADS, one of the Army and one under the control of the Air and Space Force. NATO has a line of Patriot systems, after an attack force has broken trough them there is not much left besides a few Stinger missiles and a few Roland systems.

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    Post  Isos Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:29 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    And what you gonna use to attack them ? S-400 ? Nope. Cruise missiles ? Yes but that would be 1 missile for aircraft and if they detect your launches they can move them.

    AD fills the gap to protect your ground forces against enemy aviation but if you don't have an airforce it will be quickly destroyed.
    And I'm asking you how are you going to defend your air force while its on the ground? Repositioning is a temporary measure; I only need to be successful once and you would have significantly grown your air force exponentially after I'm done. Remember, you are not only facing possible attack from enemy airpower itself, but non-contact strikes from anything to include ballistic, cruise missiles to even kamikazee drones that even non-state actors could possess.

    That's why I said they need both and having just one is stupid. Read again.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:24 pm

    That's why I said they need both and having just one is stupid. Read again.

    I think we all agree on that, but I think his point was that the HATO forces are centred around one, while the Russians have an amazing ground based air defence force and a significant and expanding air based air defence force... Russia is the closest country on the planet to having both.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    That's why I said they need both and having just one is stupid. Read again.

    I think we all agree on that, but I think his point was that the HATO forces are centred around one, while the Russians have an amazing ground based air defence force and a significant and expanding air based air defence force... Russia is the closest country on the planet to having both.

    That's what I answered to kvs who said "USSR responded with air defence developement" to counter US air force which is wrong since they heavily invested in plabes too.

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