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    Post  tipex12 Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:13 pm

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:13 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Cockpit
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    Amazing, what they do with plywood these days respekt

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    Post  Mir Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:16 pm

    What a beaut! Twisted Evil russia
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:16 pm

    New facts about the LTS, known from the presentation of the aircraft to Putin:

    The price is about 30 million dollars

    The main competitors in the market are Chinese fighters

    The first flight is scheduled for 2023
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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:19 pm

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    Ventral bays confirmed!! cheers

    They end where I suggested, so they are probably the ca. 4.5 m version capable for big ordnance... not 100% sure because we don't have good references at the front, but is likely

    The position of the EOTS also confirmed

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:24 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Amazing, what they do with plywood these days respekt
    Of course. It reduces radar returns... Laughing

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:25 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:New facts about the LTS, known from the presentation of the aircraft to Putin:

    The price is about 30 million dollars

    The main competitors in the market are Chinese fighters

    The first flight is scheduled for 2023

    Fantastic, thanks! If there is any further data in the presentation by Strelets, it would be great to know

    30 millions... the guys at LM are getting a heart attack at the moment lol1 lol1 lol1


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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:29 pm

    Fantastic, thanks! If there is any further data in the presentation by Strelets, it would be great to know
    Unfortunately, it is difficult to make out something else from what is visible on the screens. 

    We need to wait for the official presentation

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:31 pm

    tipex12 wrote:

    Anyone can help with the translation of this video? Slyusar seems to be giving data...
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:32 pm

    It can carry 5 missiles according to the video projected on the walls.

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    Post  marcellogo Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:37 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    marcellogo wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    I'm curious.  Given that the RuAF wants heavy fighters and doesn't want to buy significant numbers of MiG-29 derivatives, where exactly is MiG going to get the money to develop new products?  Sukhoi had a product the military wanted (Su-27), and they had a secure revenue stream as a result.  As a state-owned enterprise MiG won't have authority to borrow big and take a punt on new products in the hope of attracting foreign buyers, so they had to try and leverage their existing designs. Sukhoi won the PAK FA competition, probably as they had better recent experience with heavy fighter design) which only added to the squeeze.

    MiG were not incompetent, just unfortunate.  Government funding dried up after 1991 and the RuAF had to be careful on where it spent its budget.  What money was available was going Sukhois way, and MiG only received scraps.  I think they did a good job simply to survive and stay solvent given the lack of opportunities.

    What we call MiG, Sukhoi, Yakovlies are not firms in the western sense of term but Design Bureaus, tasked with producing and testing prototypes, large scale production are made through other entities called Aircraft Production Associations.
    Although they where, until now, legally linked to an ombrella corporation those entities were in fact separate things ,so that as an example Irkutsk aircraft plant produce both their main partner Yak planes than Su-30.
    Merging all this firms into UAC would equalize things even further, so even if Su model would win the LF tender, production would take place in the same aviation plant that actually produce MiG-29 and-35.  

    Yep, MiG was a design bureau, so why condemn them because the Russian government didn't buy significant quantities of their products for 3 DECADES? No significant sales, no real "investments", no government orders, just trying to sell enhancements on Cold War legacy designs to foreign buyers. Not exactly a gold-mine. Not a set of prospects that inspires unbridled optimism in the future.  Where will the capital come from to fuel new designs?  What is a management team of a out-of-work state-owned armements producer to do?  

    MiG is an iconic Russian internationally-recognised brand-name that is right up there with Kalashnikov.  It pisses me off to read so many clowns shitting on them due to circumstances beyond their control...

    Yes, it IS a Design Bureau (ok, now they use a new denomination intead than OKB but function is the same), it designes and produce PROTOTYPES and modernize existing design, so MiG-29M and M2 was made by them, same with MiG-29K, all based on a new design and the SMT and BM modification for both the existing Fulcrum and Foxhound.
    Nothing to be compared with huge successes of Sukhoi but more than enought to justify their own existence and the limited amount of money such diminutive structures (same with Yak, Beriev etc,etc) requires from defence budget.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:39 pm

    New information from the screens:

    Best 5th gen fighter

    Designing for a given price

    Minimum operating price

    Flexible configuration options for customer requirements (the aircraft is built on an open architecture)

    The use of ready-made parts from previous developments (Su-57)

    5 air-to-air missiles in stealth mode
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:40 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    tipex12 wrote:

    Anyone can help with the translation of this video? Slyusar seems to be giving data...

    Combat radius: 1500 km

    Combat payload: over 7 tons

    Shorter landing by "several hundred meters".

    Multifunctional.

    Development done in record time thanks to use of supercomputers and other digital tech. Four years from
    onset of development we are ready for serial production. There is some slurring of words and the representative
    is being very short in his answers so it is hard to tell. He is not talking about the start of testing he is really
    talking about serial production. I need to hear more details.

    This is in another realm from any plywood mockup.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:44 pm

    Thanks to Anduriel:

    Mach number - 1.8-2.0
    Max range - 3000km.
    Max load - 7400kg
    Max alt - 16500m
    Max G - 8 (strangely low for Russian plane).
    First flight planned in 2023, up to 2025 new test planes planned to be built,
    Planned time to serial production - 5.5 years

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    Post  marcellogo Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:46 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:New facts about the LTS, known from the presentation of the aircraft to Putin:

    The price is about 30 million dollars

    The main competitors in the market are Chinese fighters

    The first flight is scheduled for 2023
    New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 - Page 21 Screen12

    So it would began to fly when the S-70 would be distributed to the troops: a new plane every 5 years (even less).

    Trump promised, Putin delivers!

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:57 pm

    5 missiles in stealth config seems to indicate that the Su-57 can carry 3 in each bay... we will see

    3000 km range is a lot, 6-7 t fuel at least. The plane is ca. 25 t MTOW I guess. And very importantly, it can perform missions without external fuel tanks, great achievement. In fact it seems they developed with more focus on strike missions than to make a very good fighter...

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:59 pm

    With the price, hopefully Russia buys them for their own use.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:16 pm

    2023 - first fly

    2024-2025 - building prototypes

    2026 - production of the first serial fighters
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    Post  Broski Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:17 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:New facts about the LTS, known from the presentation of the aircraft to Putin:

    The price is about 30 million dollars

    The main competitors in the market are Chinese fighters

    The first flight is scheduled for 2023
    That's the price given for the VKS, foreign buyers will be paying at least $60 Million.

    LMFS wrote:In fact it seems they developed with more focus on strike missions than to make a very good fighter...
    They already have the Su-57, no need for redundancy.
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    Post  dino00 Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:25 pm

    First flight 2023 What a Face , serial deliveries in 2026, this is the biggest breakthrough of this incredible project.
    Congratulations for Suckoi, UAC and Rostec russia

    Edit: serial deliveries for state tests


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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:27 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:2023 - first fly

    2024-2025 - building prototypes

    2026 - production of the first serial fighters

    What a way of trolling the "digital century series" boys Laughing
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:48 pm

    LMFS wrote:Thanks to Anduriel:

    Mach number - 1.8-2.0
    Max range - 3000km.
    Max load - 7400kg
    Max alt - 16500m
    Max G - 8 (strangely low for Russian plane).
    First flight planned in 2023, up to 2025 new test planes planned to be built,
    Planned time to serial production - 5.5 years

    So the Sukhoi representative was referring to the next four years. It sounded
    like there were already four years of development.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:58 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:With the price, hopefully Russia buys them for their own use.

    This should be a must. It will help to develop this line of single engine fighters in Russia and improve long
    term exports. Their cheaper operation justifies using them to intercept NATzO aircraft messing around Russia's
    borders.

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    Post  medo Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:02 pm

    LMFS wrote:That nose cone... where they so wicked to show us this already at the PAK-FA???

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    Great eye. The same radome, the same IFR location and doors. This could mean it will use the same frontal radar as Su-57, but no side and backward radars. This is prototype, not a mock-up. On videos, there is a sound of electro generating system, cockpit is functional and is working, weapon bay door is closing (hydraulics work), etc. I wonder, if this plane will be the one to fly, or it will be used for graund and static tests and will be broken under maximal pressures.

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