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    Post  tanino Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:53 am

    I was talking yesterday with an engineer friend of mine from a well known Italian company that manufactures armored vehicles, (he was disappointed when he saw one of the armored vehicles kicked by the Russian State TV footage of ballistic tests, even of the T-14 two days ago) that:

    1) Russian development is proceeding apace and we are at parity.
    2) A Fincantieri colleague was very concerned about the action at the various Russian and Non-Russian shows this year. The Redut 350 naval and 22386 corvettes...turbines...hybrid electric/gas variants…
    lots of stuff, not to mention hypersonic.

    Now we're at the direct marketing comparison.

    It can't be a Mig-35 variant.


    PS:

    I've always wondered what a Mig-21 would look like in low RCS and modern electronics, single-engine, economical, full MIG style.

    I've been heard. .)...

    I'm sure this is one of the (many) reasons for the sudden standby of the F-35 project, they too have intelligence that works.
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    Post  Mindstorm Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:28 am



    Program from Сухой is a perspective single engine light tactical fighgter (ЛТС)

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11473935

    with an emphasis on air superiority and very high level of automation and integration on AI thecnology - up to optional manning-


    The project of МиГ is instead a twin engine light multi-role front line fighter (ЛМФС)

    https://ria.ru/20200416/1570107844.html

    manned but with independent AI-enablement of several operational functions and an enphasis on multi-functions and integration in multi-domain approach.


    Therefore if the stand is from Сухой the model will be a single engine one optimized for air superiority against manned and unmanned today and perspective foreign products.

    Is important to notice that both projects have an inherent internal-initiative nature with, at today, only limited Federation's MoD financiary assistance, therefore the aim of this presentation will be probably to catch foreign interests, also in limited joint-development, to convince the MoD to finance the project.

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    Post  dino00 Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:40 am

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    Post  Mir Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:46 am

    I guess we'll only know - when we know! Laughing
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:43 pm

    LMFS wrote:...LTS can mean Light Tactical Aircraft, so maybe it is, but other leaks are saying it is a MiG. Are they already fighting before even getting started? Laughing

    Only thing is MiG is fighting for here is to have it's label slapped on someone else's work, they think they can pull it off because they officially belong to same corporation as Sukhoi

    MiG is on it's last legs, unless they can complete new interceptor project they will go down the way of Yak and I am fairly certain that most of that work is also being handled by Sukhoi
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    Post  Dima Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:19 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:

    Program from Сухой is a perspective single engine light tactical fighgter (ЛТС)

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11473935

    with an emphasis on air superiority and very high level of automation and integration on AI thecnology - up to optional manning-


    The project of МиГ is instead a twin engine light multi-role front line fighter (ЛМФС)

    https://ria.ru/20200416/1570107844.html

    manned but with independent AI-enablement of several operational functions and an enphasis on multi-functions and integration in multi-domain approach.


    Therefore if the stand is from Сухой the model will be a single engine one optimized for air superiority against manned and unmanned today and perspective foreign products.

    Is important to notice that both projects have an inherent internal-initiative nature with, at today, only limited Federation's MoD financiary assistance, therefore the aim of this presentation will be probably to catch foreign interests, also in limited joint-development, to convince the MoD to finance the project.

     
    I wish the final product ends up as either of these two. But from the shadow on the water, it resembles more like a Yak VTOL.
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:58 pm

    The first photos of the new fighter
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:02 pm

    It will be a fighter from Sukhoi
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    Post  dino00 Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:32 pm

    So Gazzeta knows nothing
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    Post  Isos Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:35 pm

    It has a weird f-35/j-31 design. Hope they didn't made such mistake...

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:42 pm

    Russian_Patriot_, thanks!!

    Until now, it looks exactly as the model at Borisov's desk and the little that we saw in the teaser video. Ventral intake, conventional aero layout apparently without stabiliser. Relatively long fuselage, compatible with internal weapon bays in line with the engine and high fuel capacity. Nothing like a F-35 cheers

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:58 pm

    A random user at another forum said 2/3rd size of F-35 is that correct? I know its a small ass aircraft not that i am against it if they said the take off weight is 18 tons.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:04 pm

    thegopnik wrote: A random user at another forum said 2/3rd size of F-35 is that correct? I know its a small ass aircraft not that i am against it if they said the take off weight is 18 tons.

    It looks bigger than F-35 but I might be wrong

    Can anyone do a comparison? There's people and vehicles for reference
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    Post  LMFS Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:07 pm

    No need to measure anything, it is a single engine jet with long fuselage. It cannot be bigger than the F-35, it may be minimally longer but never heavier. It seems very streamlined as was discussed here. Let us see whether some information is provided about the weapon bays in the next days, that would be IMO the reason for the lengthy fuselage.
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:27 pm

    Trolling from Rostec
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:28 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    thegopnik wrote: A random user at another forum said 2/3rd size of F-35 is that correct? I know its a small ass aircraft not that i am against it if they said the take off weight is 18 tons.

    It looks bigger than F-35 but I might be wrong

    Can anyone do a comparison? There's people and vehicles for reference
    I wouldn't think about the size yet. At the moment, there is no way to compare the size with anything
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    Post  LMFS Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:34 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:I wouldn't think about the size yet. At the moment, there is no way to compare the size with anything

    Not so sure of that Razz

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:35 pm


    Well at least we can safely guess that it's not a mock-up otherwise it wouldn't need a tractor to haul it around

    Wether it's a flight-ready plane or not is a different matter

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    Post  George1 Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:09 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:I wouldn't think about the size yet. At the moment, there is no way to compare the size with anything

    Not so sure of that Razz

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    from existing aircrafts resembles the Shenyang FC-31

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:32 pm

    George1 wrote:from existing aircrafts resembles the Shenyang FC-31

    Or the North American X-15 Very Happy

    Now seriously, I suspect it has little else in common with FC-31 than belonging to the same generation. But we will know that for sure soon enough.

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    Post  medo Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:52 pm

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:55 pm

    Hopefully it can accommodate a Kh-32 in its internal bays intended for Elizabethan CVN fired from Argentinian one near the Malvinas Islands.

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    Post  limb Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:58 pm

    Anyone wonder what the engine might be? I doubt a single AL-41 is suitable since it has a low T/W ratio. Perhaps klimov or tumanskii have a new engine?
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    Post  Isos Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:58 pm

    Kiko wrote:Hopefully it can accommodate a Kh-32 in its internal bays intended for Elizabethan CVN fired from Argentinian one near the Malvinas Islands.

    Kh-32 is bigger than this aircraft.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:07 pm

    Do you know what a really funny part is?
    How much Russkies trolling the audience.
    They are showing the newest weapon systems in bright light, just masquerade as a background.
    The Su-57 was shown to the public a year before it's official presentation, but it was just a model on a desk.
    No one noticed.
    The S-70 was presented long before the official presentation, painted on a Su-57 fuselage. No one had any idea for that matter, and what more, it was a year+ before we heard that those are supposed to work together in a wolfpack.
    This plane was - probably - shown to the public as far as 3 years back, again as a model on a Borisov desk.
    I will tell it once more: what are they showing to us, with the latest Su-57 camo?

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