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    Post  Lurk83 Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:54 am

    I know TVC is assumed, but Is it just me or are there potential issues with TVC on the yaw axis given the engine is noticably more recessed than that of the su57?
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:00 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:and won't be a real threat to the Fail-35....   Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    That might be actually true, as the biggest threat to F-35, is F-35 itself Laughing

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:19 am

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    Post  zepia Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:36 am

    Lurk83 wrote:I know TVC is assumed, but Is it just me or are there potential issues with TVC on the yaw axis given the engine is noticably more recessed than that of the su57?

    I've shared the same doubt. But TVC didn't need to deflect for big degree anyway.
    Or they may end up with 2D instead of 3D TVC which would handicap its maneuverability, therefore unlikely.

    I'd say we likely to find out in the full launch tomorrow.

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    Post  limb Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:56 am

    Can anyone explain why UAE, Argentina, india and  vietnam pilots are featured in the promo, abd not, say, burmese, algerian and Egyptian ones? UAC cqnt be that brazen to feature specific countries before they have even agreed to participate in the fighters development, because it reeks of begging and overconfidence.

    I think its absolutely plausible that these countries
    already signed an agreement with UAC to cofund the aircraft.


    Currently western propaganda says russia desperate for money and that these countries would never buy the the LTS. UAE because its currently begging to be let in the F-35 program, Argentina because no money, and india because allegedly they are suck of russian low engine life, and because india is more pro-US now, leaving only Vietnam.




    Also a hilarious Turkish cope has appeared that the TFX and turkish heavy strike UAVs will be powered by ivchenko progress turbines, and that russia shot itself in the foot by making ukraine hostile because of that.

    How plausible is it for ivchenko progress to develop modern jet engines? Investment is not a problem since turkey is desperate for modern jet engines since the west refused to offer them any.
    Corruption could stifle motorsich but thats widhful thinking. I cant think of anything else that would stop turkish Ukrainian aerospace technological cooperation.
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    Post  hoom Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:13 am

    @LMFS where do you have your earlier model? Genuinely interested in comparing, looks like you did a damn good job thumbsup


    There are a bunch of very interesting/brave design choices here.
    I think I like it but its right on the margin of brilliant verging on crazy BS.

    Tailplane-less design is a surprise, I'd always assumed tail-less but with tailplane/canards would be more likely.
    Strictly speaking not actually entirely tailplane-less as those flappy bits to the side of the engine should be able to provide pretty significant pitch effect & supplemented by thrust vectoring.

    Chinlet is another surprising choice but as that Chinese CGI shows, can get the air out of the way for both 's duct' effect while giving big internal volume below without overly fattening the frontal area.

    It looks like they could possibly be re-using cockpit, landing gear, outer wings & tails from Su-57?
    Its the dream of many an aircraft designer over the years.
    Rarely works out but if they've pulled it off it could significantly reduce the development cost/effort.
    Even if down-scaled but using similar structural solutions should make for easier engineering with the heavy lifting having been done already on Su-57.

    I don't quite match GarryBs optimism that its not VSTOL infected/compromised from what we've seen so-far but agree that if they've avoided that it should help make for a relatively quick/cheap development.

    it will take 15 years to get into service
    lol Yanks would dream of getting a new plane into service that quick.
    JSF propaganda campaign has been in full swing for 25 years (eg Joint Strike Fighter flightsim game came out in '97!) & they're still struggling to get it fully operational in 2021 geek

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:23 pm

    The claims that the largest economy in Europe, with the most cash in the bank, needs a few billion to develop a fighter jet are hilarious.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:40 pm

    The new Russian fighter is being created at an unprecedented speed, 19.07.2021.

    The main premiere of the MAKS-2021 air show that opens on Tuesday will be an aircraft that Russia has not shown for many decades - a new single-engine fighter. The way this aircraft is created and what characteristics it should receive testifies to a huge breakthrough in the Russian military aviation industry.

    The fact that our country really needs this plane has been discussed for a long time. Already published photographs of this aircraft show a machine similar in layout to the American F-35, but using technical solutions from the twin-engine Su-57. And a long time ago, a photograph of the nose of a model of such an aircraft on the table of Deputy Prime Minister Yury Borisov got into the media - now it is obvious that this model reflected the ongoing development of a real machine.

    The VZGLYAD newspaper has already written about what benefits this aircraft will give to Russia . We will not repeat ourselves, let's just say briefly - this will allow the Aerospace Forces to come to the most rational and widespread structure of the combat aviation fleet in the world - a massive light fighter, which, due to its relative cheapness, can be produced in huge quantities, and to fight for air supremacy with a serious enemy - heavy multipurpose aircraft with advanced electronic equipment, weapons and unique flight performance. This is done by the Americans with their light F-16 and F-35A and heavy F-15 and F-22. Optionally, they have A-10 attack aircraft and F-15E heavy strikers. Well, we also have the Su-25, and there are already two candidates for the place of the specialized heavy drummer - the Su-30SM and the Su-34.

    This transformation will make our aviation much stronger. And this will also make our aviation much cheaper, and in addition, if the situation is successful, it will make it possible to earn a lot of money on exports. One flight of such a fighter "on strike" will be several times cheaper than the flight of the Su-24, moreover, it will not need a cover fighter. And the efficiency will be higher.

    All in all, this is really good news. The first such in decades, which our Aerospace Forces have been waiting for many years, earlier, in the 1990s, unreasonably abandoning single-engine aircraft. But the scale of the event, which will take place on July 20, is much more than just the first display of a promising new combat vehicle.

    The return of secrecy

    It was a great satisfaction to all "people in the subject" that this machine was suddenly revealed to the public. There were almost no leaks about the details of the new machine being developed, there were no significant leaks that could shed light on the timing of the appearance of the first sample. This suggests that in our long-suffering state, they finally began to provide state secrets exactly as it is, in fact, necessary.

    Basically, we do things in a completely different way - high-ranking officials and officers make significant faces instead of answering questions, and then, due to an oversight of the responsible employees, absolutely secret information is leaked into the press. Specialists can remember a lot of such cases. But at the same time, in fact, they secretly and secretly keep things that require public discussion, and they are broadcasting things that should never get into it. Americans, for example, are doing exactly the opposite.

    The story with the new fighter is just a reverse and positive example. Neither the Ministry of Defense nor the United Aircraft Corporation tried to pretend that everything is good and correct in aviation. Information that some work was still going in the right direction was dosed out in the media in such a way that the public (and the enemy!), On the one hand, could not get anything from this information, on the other hand, they knew that existing problems are being solved. Under the correct veil of secrecy, it was possible to develop a completely new aircraft that does not have a prototype, and to announce its existence after the construction of at least a model, and most likely an experimental model.

    This is aerobatics, class. You can only applaud. And also wish that it would be the same everywhere. Correct decisions, correct security, correct "leaks", tangible results.

    But that's not all good news.

    The return of speed

    The second most important aspect of the emergence of a new machine was the speed of its development. For example, let's compare with the Su-57. Formally, they began to invent it in 2001, and the development contract was signed in 2003. Now, in 2021, the plane is not yet ready - there is no engine provided for in the tactical and technical specifications. But this is a superficial view. In fact, the 20 years that we have been working on this aircraft, this is the tip of the iceberg, and let's be cynical - that's a little more. In reality, the Su-57 almost turned out ONLY in 20 years, because before that the Sukhoi had a huge backlog - work on the fighter of the future was carried out since Soviet times, since the mid-1980s, and in the course of this work, an experimental C fighter was even created. -47 "Berkut". This experience definitely helped with the creation of the Su-57. If someone does not believe that 20 years is not enough.

    This example vividly illustrates how long it takes today to create a new aircraft. Dozens of years of intensive work by huge teams and a lot of money.

    Now the Americans are trying to cross this threshold with their NGAD program, which provides, among other things, accelerating the production of aircraft. But in general, the huge time frame for creating new aircraft is a global trend due to the complexity of modern aircraft technology.

    And here's a single-engine car. The cockpit canopy, similar to the Su-57, suggests that it began to be developed after the appearance of the Su-57 was clear. The appearance of the car clearly indicates that this aircraft is largely unified with its "older brother". This means that in the case of a single-engine machine, development began already when at least some of the Su-57 subsystems had already been created, and possibly already when the Su-57 itself was created. Of course, this development was not carried out from scratch - both the MiG and Sukhoi had experience in single-engine vehicles, and for a long time. But these were, firstly, paper work, and secondly, they are not very similar to the shown machine, including in terms of the fundamental design features of the airframe.

    All this suggests this - the plane was invented very quickly. The trend for decades of development has been broken, and this is not just the first time in Russia, this is the first time in the world for so many years. Jet warplanes have not been built at this rate since the 1960s. The secrecy of the project also indirectly testifies to the rapid development - otherwise something would have leaked to the press. And here the leak about the program simply did not happen.

    Such fast terms indicate that somewhere in the field of design organization we have made a breakthrough. Russian aircraft engineers have learned to work in a way that they could not do before. And if such rates continue, then we can safely say that Russia has made an outstanding breakthrough of global importance - it has learned to create complex equipment faster than anyone else. The benefits of such a breakthrough are obvious and need no explanation.

    But that's not all.

    Breakthrough in unification

    If you look at the old Soviet aircraft, you will notice not the highest level of unification. Engines, sometimes components of sighting systems, weapons, and some subsystems wandered from glider to glider. But a lot was developed for each aircraft separately.

    The layout of the new single-engine fighter (or its first prototype) leaves the impression that it was developed with significant use of existing serial components and systems.

    This is, firstly, a step forward compared to the old days, secondly, savings for videoconferencing, and thirdly, those very fast development times. And this is also a step forward, long overdue and finally taken in our country. A rational approach to the creation of military equipment is something that our country has always lacked. Perhaps this machine will have a serial AL-41F engine instead of "product 30", which cannot get into serial machines in any way, but even in this configuration, it is, as they say, a slaughter apparatus. And, apparently, relatively inexpensive.

    Of course, there is a question: where to make a new car? But, apparently, it will be solved - while the tests are underway, preparations for the production of a new machine can be performed at several aircraft factories at once. It's solvable if you decide.

    But the fact that our Armed Forces do not have such systems of mutual information exchange (MISI) as the Americans do is a fat minus. We do not have anything like the American system VZOI Link 22, and the potential of a new fighter without such a system will be much inferior to the American F-35, with all its possible superiority in flight performance.

    On the other hand, while the aircraft is being put on the wing, specialized structures have time to develop a similar information system. If this is done, then our aircraft, which is likely to fly much better than the F-35, and (according to the pictures of Rostec) will have a powerful optical-electronic sighting system (and maybe a reconnaissance system), like the F- 35, will also receive similar information capabilities. Let's hope so.

    In general, the creation of a new fighter is a truly breakthrough event. There is something to be happy about, and not only in the aviation sector. Let this breakthrough be the beginning of others like them.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:40 pm

    Gomig-21 wrote:Sorry I'm a bit confused by what you're saying; you don't see anything strange about the side weapon door swing but you are suggesting that clearances look minimal if a rail is used to push the weapon out?  That's pretty much what I was saying.  I just think it (the weapon of choice) would have a lot more clearance to extend out with whatever mechanism/rail and eject and fire away with the door hinged on the bottom and opening downward.  The way it is now seems like once it's open, the space is limited by whatever opening is left between that door and the side of the airplane/fuselage.  But like I said, I'm the last to argue against what Sukhoi designs and sees fit lol.

    Ok I see. First, we need another perspective to understand exactly what is the configuration of the door and the possible clearances, maybe the weapon hangs from it when it opens. The door of the landing gear opens downwards, while that of the WB opens upwards, maybe they are trying to create a space from which you can load the weapons with ease and it is clear that they have thought about the topic at length. The entry of rocket gases to the intake is also an issue here, and in the Su-57 in fact it is the reason for the quick bays to open the way they do, which is as you propose too.

    With rail launch not so big clearances are needed, because the weapon leaves the plane very quickly and therefore the relative movement between missile and launcher in other directions are minimised. In any case, it does not seem to me that the opening of the bay is small at all, the side and bottom move out of the way so I see no big problem.

    I thought the same exact thing about the ducting flowing over the ventral bay.  Just like Gary was saying earlier when we were discussing the clearance of the nose wheel and its placement at or near the front opening of the air intake and how it would have to immediately turn upwards to make room for the nose gear to fold and tuck up in there.  Then it just has to ride up that height all the way back to the fan blades and it should clear the weapons bay as well.  

    I can tell you when I did my model nobody was talking about it and normally found it to be unhinged BS, the length of the air duct is too much, the corner of the intake does not work and so on, and even after the Borisov model the discussion was lively about whether full sized A2G ordnance can be carried in a plane of this type in that way... it seems "almost" confirmed now but I still want to see a 100% match to be sure.

    Speaking of intake, I guess one of the few things left to find out is if the intake is a DSI and if there is a bump or lump like the Boriskov model?  It has to have some way to control the supersonic air, so it will need a DSI since there doesn't seem to be any other way to take care of that tremendous airflow at supersonic speeds. But so far everything that we saw in just that one pic of the Boriskov desk model has been pretty accurately revealed in this prototype.  So we should definitely expect a DSI.

    Agree, DSI is a simple, light, cheap way of getting the job done. The simplifications in this plane vs. PAK-FA are substantial, and a DSI seems the natural thing to expect. I agree that the Borisov model until now has been vindicated, maybe the intake is a bit different, maybe.

    mnztr wrote:Those actually look like moving surfaces to me Perhaps this is a non-conventional horizontal stab.

    Yes it seems it is. It was predictable if you remove the conventional stabilisers and work with BWB, it was there in the MFI (MiG did something for the plane it seems, even if it was in the past Very Happy ) and it is identical to the solution in my model too.

    How big is this plane? It looks pretty close to F-16 size to me. Opinons?

    Some calculations have shown 17 m long, which is quite longer than F-16. But that is what happens when you need to place big weapons and a lot of fuel inside of the plane... the cross sectional area will be bigger than in F-16, but smaller than F-35 if I am not wrong.

    GarryB wrote:They clearly have not bothered breaking the design trying to make it VSTOL

    By the position of the nozzle and the intake / air duct, it does even seem possible to make a STOVL version. But the plane is STOL by what has been said, so it should be already ok in most cases.

    Amusing that it has not been officially properly even revealed yet but people here are working out how many weapon bays it has.

    Well, if you would have spent the time and thought I did analysing the issue, you would be eager to know the final answer... that is the big question mark in the design, whether a truly multirole plane can be done with one engine of the type carried by heavy fighters.

    This is Sukhois design, but I am more looking forward to MiGs design to be honest. I wonder if Yak have a horse in this race that might be a VTOL model.

    ?? Another model? It is better for you to go through the grief stages at once, what other model do you think UAC is going to waste money on? STOVL thing is marginally possible, but what sense would make for MiG to come up with a internal rival for this? What would that say of UAC leadership?

    Just wait to see the weapons bay config and tell me whether the twin engine plane is needed.

    BTW don't be so hard on the US strong crowd in their ivory towers, this is what the F-35 was supposed to be and it clearly isn't, so after spending 1.5 trillion dollars on that aircraft, their brand new affordable plane that was going to replace both the F-22 and everything else, is probably going to be replaced by a revision of older models... a new F-15 and likely a new slightly modified F-16... probably with more wing area and internal fuel capacity so it doesn't need those ugly conformal fuel tanks.

    True, it must hurt. But that is the moment where they should really shut the f* up, get their heads down to work and not embarrass themselves further

    Lurk83 wrote:I know TVC is assumed, but Is it just me or are there potential issues with TVC on the yaw axis given the engine is noticably more recessed than that of the su57?

    The type of TVC used in Russian fighters is 2D and it should be placed in vertical position. Yaw axis is questionable by now, what we have seen is not the Klimov nozzle and is not the Salyut nozzle either, so I am assuming 2D.

    If it was 3D, you need to clear a 15-20 deg cone around the nozzle also in the horizontal plane, no big deal.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:41 pm

    This year's budgetary surplus totals 630 bln RUB, as for June.
    Yeah, they cant afford that Laughing

    The most hilarious part is, that those idiots are claiming that seriously. They really believe that shit.
    No one discusses the ability of Japan to construct a next-gen light fighter.
    Neither South Korea.
    This neglecting is propaganda-driven only.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:57 pm

    hoom wrote:@LMFS where do you have your earlier model? Genuinely interested in comparing, looks like you did a damn good job thumbsup

    Thank you, I sincerely appreciate that. As it so frequently happens with other solutions, that layout has gone from batshit-crazy to self evident with no transition phase or recognition of merit in between  Razz

    I will look for the old links to the model debut back in 2018

    There are a bunch of very interesting/brave design choices here.
    I think I like it but its right on the margin of brilliant verging on crazy BS.

    Indeed. You can see how hard they pushed the intake forward to make the whole concept work, how they pressed the side bays into the model and how they got the side space in the airframe where they and the landing gear are placed. Also the tail control surfaces, and the expected twisting and routing of the air duct. It is not self evident at all.

    Tailplane-less design is a surprise, I'd always assumed tail-less but with tailplane/canards would be more likely.
    Strictly speaking not actually entirely tailplane-less as those flappy bits to the side of the engine should be able to provide pretty significant pitch effect & supplemented by thrust vectoring.

    Yes, canards made a lot of sense combined with the tailless design. They did renounce to the triplane configuration they already have at the OAK-FA. It is easy to know what is best, but what the simplifications are going to be when producing a cheap simple plane is a difficult call.

    In particular, in this plane probably supercruise is not the main requirement, so control surfaces in front of the CoG to trim the plane in supersonic flight with positive lift instead of downforce at the tail are not a must. The ability to pitch the nose seems to be granted by the TVC + elevators, and the wing lift augmentation is probably achieved with the big LERX in a way they see sufficient. I think canards may have helped reducing the size of the tails, but I like simplicity of the design they selected, it makes sense for this type of plane

    Chinlet is another surprising choice but as that Chinese CGI shows, can get the air out of the way for both 's duct' effect while giving big internal volume below without overly fattening the frontal area.

    It takes a lot of internal volume and needs to make the plane long, to clear the landing ear and the WB. You need a powerful engine for all the extra airframe you need to employ.

    It looks like they could possibly be re-using cockpit, landing gear, outer wings & tails from Su-57?
    Its the dream of many an aircraft designer over the years.
    Rarely works out but if they've pulled it off it could significantly reduce the development cost/effort.
    Even if down-scaled but using similar structural solutions should make for easier engineering with the heavy lifting having been done already on Su-57.

    That is the whole logic behind the hi-lo combination, to develop technology and systems for a high end plane and then use them when you can handle them at lower prices for a cheaper one. Looks like Sukhoi implemented it very consequently with the LTS, and we still are just learning the basics

    I don't quite match GarryBs optimism that its not VSTOL infected/compromised from what we've seen so-far but agree that if they've avoided that it should help make for a relatively quick/cheap development.

    A STOVL ready airframe would not have the engine placed that back and would have side bays only (still to be seem whether that is the case, but I find it unlikely). Even using more exotic possibilities like the UCAV configuration I submitted is very questionable because of the position of the intake. STOVL looks not their main concern...

    it will take 15 years to get into service
    lol Yanks would dream of getting a new plane into service that quick.
    JSF propaganda campaign has been in full swing for 25 years (eg Joint Strike Fighter flightsim game came out in '97!) & they're still struggling to get it fully operational in 2021 geek

    True, still in "low (ahem) rate" production, five years after IOC. They could simply shut up...

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    Post  Lurk83 Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:19 pm

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    It really smacks of a 5th gen MIG 21 to me. Obviously the intake I s slightly different and has two stabilisers/tailerons, and Sukhoi made it lol... But just the entire vibe of it. Single engine fighter geared for mass production and mass export.  I feel like this could easily be Russia's biggrst ticket since the SU30MKI deal and should go well beyond that in scope. I'm amped for this.

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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:36 pm

    I can already hear the laments of the Redditers/F16.net baboons cursing that IRST sensor Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:37 pm

    I know TVC is assumed, but Is it just me or are there potential issues with TVC on the yaw axis given the engine is noticably more recessed than that of the su57?

    TVC only needs to rotate the thrust 90+ degrees when it is used as a lift jet for VSTOL... normally only about 15 degrees in any direction would be enough to swing the aircrafts nose in any direction, but obviously it would not be care free manouvering like a twin jet with the engines separated like the Su-57 or MiG-35.

    That might be actually true, as the biggest threat to F-35, is F-35 itself

    The biggest threat to HATO would be for them to keep buying and using F-35s... they wont be able to afford to buy anything useful and it will cause internal friction having to operate that piece of crap.

    Can anyone explain why UAE, Argentina, india and vietnam pilots are featured in the promo, abd not, say, burmese, algerian and Egyptian ones?

    They are fishing for customers that don't normally buy Russian stuff, which further makes me think that MiG has the contract for the LMFS and that this will remain secret while Sukhoi tries to work out if this plane is viable based on interest shown over the next few months/years.

    UAC cqnt be that brazen to feature specific countries before they have even agreed to participate in the fighters development, because it reeks of begging and overconfidence.

    I think directly targeting Argentina with this advertising is a great way to tell the master of the worlds oceans to pull their heads in... if you want to play fun and games with who controls what waters then we can do that too... lets see who wants to talk about a truce first...

    It also highlights that this is supposed to be affordable because Argentina is not rich...

    I think its absolutely plausible that these countries
    already signed an agreement with UAC to cofund the aircraft.

    There was that rumour that the UAE wanted a 5th gen light fighter, but it was always assumed to be with MiG... and VSTOL.

    Currently western propaganda says russia desperate for money and that these countries would never buy the the LTS. UAE because its currently begging to be let in the F-35 program, Argentina because no money, and india because allegedly they are suck of russian low engine life, and because india is more pro-US now, leaving only Vietnam.

    The same western propaganda that says Russia is a third world gas station that doesn't make anything... how about we listen to what these countries say... and lots of other countries besides who will be interested.

    If the EU keeps bitch slapping Hungary over its walls, and not teaching their kids about sexual lifestyle choices... they might think maybe they should reconsider being part of HATO and EU... what is this democracy and freedom chant when once you get inside there is not much of either.

    How plausible is it for ivchenko progress to develop modern jet engines? Investment is not a problem since turkey is desperate for modern jet engines since the west refused to offer them any.
    Corruption could stifle motorsich but thats widhful thinking. I cant think of anything else that would stop turkish Ukrainian aerospace technological cooperation.

    Their core problem was the opposite of what happened to Russia... Russia had lots of helicopters and ships and new ones on the way but no new engines... the Ukraine does not have a need for a lot of engines and their primary market was Russia which has dried up.

    Turkey could certainly sink money into reviving Motor Sich, but they should keep a very close eye on where it goes because it might evapourate and they might get stiffed... like the Chinese did.

    Ironically Turkeys best option would be Russian engines, or joining Sukhoi on this project and looking to see what they make that could be added to this design... they were making wing parts for the F-35, but creating ties with Ukraine is handcuffing yourself to a runaway train...

    Well, if you would have spent the time and thought I did analysing the issue, you would be eager to know the final answer... that is the big question mark in the design, whether a truly multirole plane can be done with one engine of the type carried by heavy fighters.

    But you are not going to get definitive answers with speculation or logic but by waiting and looking at the decisions and choices they actually ended up making.

    ?? Another model? It is better for you to go through the grief stages at once, what other model do you think UAC is going to waste money on?

    This is a Sukhoi single engined aircraft, MiG have already said they have single and twin designs.

    And what grief, the official word is this is for export, it is only speculation that the Russian military want this or could even have it within the next 10 years.

    STOVL thing is marginally possible, but what sense would make for MiG to come up with a internal rival for this? What would that say of UAC leadership?

    So you are saying this design is the best without seeing any other designs... glad you are keeping an open mind about this...

    Just wait to see the weapons bay config and tell me whether the twin engine plane is needed.

    When the first few crash because of engine stalls, you tell me why redundancy in propulsion is important...

    And the Russian Navy has not signed off on a single engined fighter either... no matter how cheap they might claim it will be.

    True, it must hurt. But that is the moment where they should really shut the f* up, get their heads down to work and not embarrass themselves further

    Nah, much better they blame Russian hackers for somehow getting the plans for F-35M the big upgrade that American scientists have developed to solve all of its problems... those cheating Russians... the US is not in trouble... keep steaming full speed ahead at that water fall... it will give way to use because we are Merica...

    If it was 3D, you need to clear a 15-20 deg cone around the nozzle also in the horizontal plane, no big deal.

    They might need those paddles for roll control and with the engine nozzle there and the tail fins where they are it is like boosting their performance.

    Putting L band AESA elements in those paddles would allow them to be raised and lowered for scanning like a scanner scans... making a 2D scanner into a 3D one.

    They might find that most of the time they don't need level horizontal thrust vectoring but when angled up or down that side angling might add a component that makes it useful.

    The rather large main jet engine on the Yak-141 didn't have a lot of sideways leeway in terms of thrust vectoring either and was moved forward or the tail fins moved back to make it closer to the centre of gravity for VSTOL operations.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:39 pm

    I can already hear the laments of the Redditers/F16.net baboons cursing that IRST sensor

    There is a very good chance the operational final aircraft will have another one underneath for ground targets too... same as with the new MiG-35s.

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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:44 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 - Page 16 E6pfbt10

    Pretty cool but I think this is possibly just another render.

    IF the Rostec CGI is something to go by then this one lacks some of the details at the back that should be visible in this picture?

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    The wing also doesn't have that slight droop at the end?
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    Post  lyle6 Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:51 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:New combat aircraft will be presented at MAKS-2021 - Page 16 E6pfbt10
    I was worried for a bit that with a chintake it might have a bit of the gormless F-32 look, but holy hell did Sukhoi deliver.

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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:03 pm

    ALAMO wrote:This year's budgetary surplus totals 630 bln RUB, as for June.
    Yeah, they cant afford that Laughing

    The most hilarious part is, that those idiots are claiming that seriously. They really believe that shit.
    No one discusses the ability of Japan to construct a next-gen light fighter.
    Neither South Korea.
    This neglecting is propaganda-driven only.

    Not only that, they're comparing Russia's fighter to goddamn Turkey's TFX Shocked and that it would have to compete with it ?? where has turkey ever built a 5th Gen fighter let alone a 4th gen, Crazy how no one doubts turkey's ability to produce this non-existent fighter and it's Technologies but humps the boat on how Russia's broke/can't afford/can't build/Fail-35 copy/50 years too late. and in what world is a light fighter competing with a heavy fighter in the minds of these "Military experts/journalists " jocolor , and how many people take their words as gospel, it's painful to even have a conversation with these sheeps and to deal with the diarrhea coming out of their mouths.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:03 pm

    Bounce corrected the distortion of the nose, looks better to me thumbsup
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:05 pm

    Rasisuki Nebia wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:This year's budgetary surplus totals 630 bln RUB, as for June.
    Yeah, they cant afford that Laughing

    The most hilarious part is, that those idiots are claiming that seriously. They really believe that shit.
    No one discusses the ability of Japan to construct a next-gen light fighter.
    Neither South Korea.
    This neglecting is propaganda-driven only.

    Not only that, they're comparing Russia's fighter to goddamn Turkey's TFX Shocked and that it would have to compete with it ?? where has turkey ever built a 5th Gen fighter let alone a 4th gen, Crazy how no one doubts turkey's ability to produce this non-existent fighter and it's Technologies but humps the boat on how Russia's broke/can't afford/can't build/Fail-35 copy/50 years too late. and in what world is a light fighter competing with a heavy fighter in the minds of these "Military experts/journalists " jocolor , and how many people take their words as gospel, it's painful to even have a conversation with these sheeps and to deal with the diarrhea coming out of their mouths.

    Add in it that unlike Russia, Turkey is actually financially broke.

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:09 pm

    limb wrote:Currently western propaganda says russia desperate for money and that these countries would never buy the the LTS. UAE because its currently begging to be let in the F-35 program, Argentina because no money, and india because allegedly they are suck of russian low engine life, and because india is more pro-US now, leaving only Vietnam.

    India is a potential target customer that Russia may plan to aim for.

    India need a new fleet of modern light fighters to replace the aging MiG-21. The Tejas program is a failure, and purchasing more Rafale is not plausible due to the unreasonable cost.

    The trailer clip shows that the mysterious fighter is aimed for export and the first customer may be foreign countries rather than Russian Air Forces.
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    Post  LMFS Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:15 pm

    Truly a checkmate. If the gringos were the authors they would be talking non stop about 6G crap. This is the most futuristic plane I have honestly seen in a loong while... amazing

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    Post  hoom Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:17 pm

    I know the troll level is over 9000 Russian Govt Official but damned if that tail view in the backgrounds doesn't look kinda familiar, is it a troll too far?
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:31 pm

    It looks like a stealthy F-16

    Stole the US's thunder from right under them Wink

    Great job

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