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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:46 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:The MiG-35 is still an aircraft in the development phase...

    This is like if someone back in 1981 said that MiG-15 was still in development phase  

    MiG-35 is old product that is about to reach expiration date any day now, whatever it was supposed to be it didn’t work out

    Time to finally put that puppy to sleep



    limb wrote:It will be anticlimactic and embarrassment to present the MiG-35 which has been through development for nearly 2 decades to be presented as the fundamentally new suprise aircraft.

    Agreed although it wouldn't surprise if if they tried, some of these Russian companies are so out of touch with reality it's both hilarious and pathetic

    Remember the whole ''BMPT-3 will have a Russian name instead of Terminator-3 because western name led to bad sales'' fiasco?  lol1

    I think it was this very same company so even if we don't get a new plane at least we will get loads of laughs and memes  thumbsup


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    Post  LMFS Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:15 am

    They are making lots of noise and hinting directly at other countries, it looks just logic that they search development partners and will just show a concept, that would be already great news for us all aviation fans, not everyday a plane like this is born. In fact, a true "light" single engine 5G fighter would be groundbreaking, as opposed to the fatty penguin. Let's see if foreign countries are smart enough to grab the opportunity while it is cheap and full of advantages, unlike India with the FGFA Embarassed

    AMCXXL wrote:The MAKS is basically a trade fair to offer products and win contracts and it seems the right moment to introduce the MiG-35 to the market.

    After teasing us mercilessly about how new the plane is, and having presented MiG-35 n times for the last 20 years, that would take a massive pair of balls from UAC, I would sign on that, only for the fun of it lol1

    EDIT: It seems the news are piling, probably we will have relevant news.

    From the looks of it, an almost conventional layout, with trapezoid wing and combined keels and horizontal tail ala YF-23 or McDonnell JSF entry. Logical, if simplicity and low cost is the goal, and quite reasonable given the advantage of that layout for planes or relaxed stability.

    The really burning question, what kind of weapon bays, if at all?

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    Post  LMFS Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:48 am

    The United Aircraft Corporation, part of Rostec, will present a fundamentally new military aircraft on July 20 - on the first day of the MAKS-2021 International Aviation and Space Salon in Zhukovsky.

    The countdown to the plane's premiere was activated on the project page today at midnight. The presentation of the novelty can be seen online on the YouTube channels of the Rostec State Corporation, the United Aircraft Corporation, as well as on the project page.

    “Russia is one of the few countries in the world that has full-cycle technologies for the production of advanced aircraft systems, as well as a recognized“ trendsetter ”in the creation of combat aircraft. We are convinced that the new product developed by UAC specialists will arouse genuine interest not only in our country, but also in other regions of the world, including our competitors abroad, ”said a representative of Rostec.

    Individual elements of the new machine can already be seen in the video posted on the project page at checkmate.uacrussia.ru. The video also contains allusions to the key features and unique properties of the project.

    https://uacrussia.ru/ru/press-center/news/rostekh-soobshchil-o-prezentatsii-printsipialno-novogo-voennogo-samoleta-oak-na-maks-2021
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    Post  thegopnik Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:58 am

    If its neither a mig-41 or PAKDA(obviously not for both), LMFS or Rostec's 5th gen design(no 4th gen ++ please), or new engine/radar prototype(air to ground weapons as well) presentations than I hope KB Arsenal will save the airshow with what they disclosed as a proposal 2 days ago.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:06 am

    LMFS wrote:"Russia is one of the few countries in the world that has full-cycle technologies for the production of advanced aircraft systems, as well as a recognized" trendsetter "in the creation of combat aircraft. We are convinced that the new product developed by UAC specialists will arouse genuine interest not only in our country , but also in other regions of the world, including our competitors abroad, "- said in Rostec.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11889013

    I almost want them to unveil monkey version of MiG-35 in some shitty paintjob with all this hyping up just to watch them get torn to shreds online lol1

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:15 am

    Would have been in tears laughing if they proposed in the video a CGI close to reality F-35 with the US pilot coming out of it to check his phone and show up to where this new Russian aircraft would be lol1
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    Post  Gomig-21 Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:25 am

    LMFS wrote:Stealthflanker saw this interesting patch in the video:
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    If it looks anything like what's in that patch with trapezoidal wings and possibly only fully canted stabilators, it would look a lot like a mini version of the YF-23, especially with those wings.  That would be awesome and let's hope it's something along those lines.

    IMO, if they were able to keep it so under wraps like this until MAKS 21, something tells me that to go through all that effort should be for something that will blow everyone away.  let's hope that's the case.


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    Post  LMFS Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:00 am

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    It seems they look at the plane from its nose, the front landing gear door at the left below and the corner of the intake above on the right hand. The corner is not 90 deg so consistent with a low RCS ventral intake single engine plane along the lines of the model seen at Borisov's desk. The intake would have a substantial width compatible with the presence of a weapon bay further backwards. This is also consistent with the landing gear being as close to the intake lower lip as practically possible.
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    Post  Backman Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:25 am

    LMFS wrote:Stealthflanker saw this interesting patch in the video:
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    Thats a single engine light fighter
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    Post  Gomig-21 Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:14 am

    LMFS wrote:The corner is not 90 deg so consistent with a low RCS ventral intake single engine plane along the lines of the model seen at Borisov's desk.

    Is there a full pic of that model on Borisov's desk? I tried looking for it on Google Images but got nothing. If you or any of the other fellas have it, please post it. I'd like to get a good look at the whole thing instead of just the forward cockpit and intake cutoff.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:14 pm

    Mig again lost a program they could have made like 20 years ago. This thing will take over mig-29M on the export market leaving mig-35 with no customer.

    This thing is probably a good ten years away from serial production, and will likely go through a similar process to Sukhoi in that they will produce a MiG-35 (Su-35) based on previous same gen fighter with everything improved and maxed out as far as possible while the next gen design LMFS (Su57) is developed and constructed with new gen radar and systems being tested in upgraded MiG-35s while the new gen plane is perfected and improved and developed.

    Has been entertaining seeing the Russians show America what the F-22 could have been with the Su-57, and their Su-35 vs the F-15EX, so it will be amusing to see MiG get back to single engined fighters again, though I wonder if the Russian AF has signed off on this at all or if they are at MAKS looking for funding.

    Amusing certain members calling the MiG-29 ancient when the Su-35 is just as old... and the F-15 even older... apparently the new kids on the block are as shit as the band named after them so the old buggers have to keep going a bit longer.
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    Post  Mir Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:52 pm

    One thing is for certain - even if the fighter looks like something in the picture below - if it's competing against the F-35, it will be christened as the F-35ski in the West. Laughing

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    Post  George1 Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:58 pm

    Its worthy to mention that the video features representatives from the United Arab Emirates, India, Vietnam and Argentina...
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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:06 pm

    Patch appears to be No 617 Squadron belonging to the Royal Air Force aircraft squadron. Rostc not bothering with making ones specifically for the video i guess,  dunno
     but hey it's an F-35  Wink

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    https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1415279315164467202

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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:57 pm

    Mir wrote:One thing is for certain - even if the fighter looks like something in the picture below - if it's competing against the F-35, it will be christened as the F-35ski in the West. Laughing

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    Agree. And they will forget f-35 is based on yak design.

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    Post  Gomig-21 Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:17 pm

    Rasisuki Nebia wrote:Patch appears to be No 617 Squadron belonging to the Royal Air Force aircraft squadron. Rostc not bothering with making ones specifically for the video i guess,  dunno
     but hey it's an F-35  Wink

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    https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1415279315164467202


    So much for that! Why would they ever use that in their promo?! Doesn't make any sense at all.

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    Post  Mir Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:43 pm

    The F-35 is a complete sack of potatoes so maybe Mig's marketing includes the US and NATO as well? Wink

    A nice downgraded one would probably still be a good replacement. Smile
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    Post  LMFS Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:05 pm

    Rasisuki Nebia wrote:Patch appears to be No 617 Squadron belonging to the Royal Air Force aircraft squadron. Rostc not bothering with making ones specifically for the video i guess,  dunno
     but hey it's an F-35  Wink

    We are so trollable Razz

    Gomig21 wrote:Is there a full pic of that model on Borisov's desk? I tried looking for it on Google Images but got nothing. If you or any of the other fellas have it, please post it. I'd like to get a good look at the whole thing instead of just the forward cockpit and intake cutoff.

    Of course not, but there are a lot of speculations. Maybe in one week we see the rest of the plane and maybe it is indeed what we saw at the desk, by now at least is compatible...

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    Post  George1 Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:43 pm

    i remind a photo some months ago

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    Post  Arrow Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:28 pm

    The most interesting thing is whether it will be a model or a flying prototype? scratch

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    Post  Mir Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:45 pm

    It has been mentioned somewhere that a model would serve no purpose. A life size mock-up is a possibility but with all the PR I think it will be a flier.
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    Post  dino00 Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:23 pm

    It's not a prototype, they just started working

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:30 pm

    got this from brother forum paralay. so its a sukhoi?

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    Post  LMFS Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:49 pm

    dino00 wrote:It's not a prototype, they just started working

    Exactly. It would not be strange to have a mockup, a part of which was showed in the teaser as analysed above. It makes no sense that it is a flying prototype, that will take like 5 years min from now.

    thegopnik wrote:got this from brother forum paralay. so its a sukhoi?

    LTS can mean Light Tactical Aircraft, so maybe it is, but other leaks are saying it is a MiG. Are they already fighting before even getting started? Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:04 am

    LTS might be PAK Sha replacement for the Su-25 in CAS role... I seriously hope they don't do something stupid like combine the programmes...

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