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    Post  Firebird Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:28 pm

    As this is both a Russian and an international and ex pat Russians forum, I thought I'd ask this question.

    I'm actually British born, but of half Russian blood.
    My experiences of Russian women are this.
    Very appealing... on the surface. Very enjoyable over the shorter.. towards medium term.
    However, morals and values and sincerity over the longer term.. I would say ABSOLUTE ZERO.
    In other words, they will entice you into serious relationships, but like hard drugs, I sadly have to conclude they are best avoided. Especially the ones that swear they are "good Christian girls".

    I've been close to settling down with 2 Russian women. One was Russian resident, one was actually second generation ie born in Britain, parents Russian.

    Of course for those living in Russia, Russian women are almost a necessity... unless you fancy venturing over to the Brown Side of the Force, so to speak.

    But for those living abroad, Russian women are less compulsory.
    Infact, after my experiences of jawdropping insincerity, I would say AVOID THEM WITH A TEN FOOT BARGEPOLE!!
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:04 pm

    My totally objective and totally not subjective based on dating and/or relationships with from one to a few women from each of the regions in question.

    St. Petersburg - pretentious, lot of expectations, they like their theaters and art galleries and all this stuff, that I'm not really into
    Moscow - easy going and tend to look more at the personality and charm of the person, can vary in maintenance levels depending on whether they're Moscow born or actually originally from the provinces
    Crimea - like Moscow women but more gold-diggerish
    Buryatia/Kazakhstan - pretty much like provincial Russian girls, they like gifts
    Belarus/Siberia - reserved and lady-like, you'll have to put time and effort in but the main thing they're after is your personality

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:07 am

    Wow dude... you got serious with two women with some association to Russia, who from the sound of it are not more Russian than you are... (no offense dude... I am a white 5th gen New Zealander that is ethnically a mix of English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh, and when I sign legal documents I put my ethnicity as European but I am not European and I don't speak for Europeans or pretend to represent that group at all... it is just a technicality and it sounds like these ladies you are talking about are the same.)

    Don't get me wrong, I love the generalise, but I wouldn't plan my future around that...

    Very appealing... what is that?

    They are good with makeup?

    Western TV shows pretty much show you can scrub anything up to pass muster and pretending to be interested in you and in nothing else will make most men think they have found the woman of their dreams.

    If you are looking for perfection you will look for ever and you will be disappointed.


    They say opposites attract but your a boy, she's a girl... that is enough opposite for any relationship.

    At the start of any relationship there are lies from both sides and both sides want to be on their best behaviour... there is an American stand up comedian called Christopher Titus and he says you have to live with someone for 8 years before you know they are compatible... when he says 8 years it normally gets a shocked reaction from a large portion of the crowd... to which he reacts.... yes... I know what you are thinking... 8 years is too long to hide the crazy... something is going to happen and you are going to react as you... not as the person you have been pretending to be so they will likely... and that will be the real test of the relationship.

    If there is something there then you will change to make it work, but if you don't then keep looking or learn to live with the differences and problems because they wont go away.

    Enough relationship advice from the single guy.... single and happy by the way... the laws in this country means spending 8 years to find out if she is the one means if she isn't she gets to walk away with half my stuff... and I don't want half of hers... all they seem to own are clothes and shoes and they never fit me. What a Face

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    Post  Firebird Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:47 am

    GarryB wrote:Wow dude... you got serious with two women with some association to Russia, who from the sound of it are not more Russian than you are... (no offense dude... I am a white 5th gen New Zealander that is ethnically a mix of English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh, and when I sign legal documents I put my ethnicity as European but I am not European and I don't speak for Europeans or pretend to represent that group at all... it is just a technicality and it sounds like these ladies you are talking about are the same.)

    Don't get me wrong, I love the generalise, but I wouldn't plan my future around that...

    Very appealing... what is that?

    They are good with makeup?

    Western TV shows pretty much show you can scrub anything up to pass muster and pretending to be interested in you and in nothing else will make most men think they have found the woman of their dreams.

    If you are looking for perfection you will look for ever and you will be disappointed.


    They say opposites attract but your a boy, she's a girl... that is enough opposite for any relationship.

    At the start of any relationship there are lies from both sides and both sides want to be on their best behaviour... there is an American stand up comedian called Christopher Titus and he says you have to live with someone for 8 years before you know they are compatible... when he says 8 years it normally gets a shocked reaction from a large portion of the crowd... to which he reacts.... yes... I know what you are thinking... 8 years is too long to hide the crazy... something is going to happen and you are going to react as you... not as the person you have been pretending to be so they will likely... and that will be the real test of the relationship.

    If there is something there then you will change to make it work, but if you don't then keep looking or learn to live with the differences and problems because they wont go away.

    |Enough relationship advice from the single guy.... single and happy by the way... the laws in this country means spending 8 years to find out if she is the one means if she isn't she gets to walk away with half my stuff... and I don't want half of hers... all they seem to own are clothes and shoes and they never fit me. What a Face

    I'm talking the ones I've had LT relats with ie years or so. Nope the one was full Russian, brought up and living in SIberia most of her life. THe other, her parents moved to Britain from being lifelong in Siberia just before she was born. BTW her mother is a huge (meddling) influence on her life.And I've dated about 12 other Russian women on a  more casual basis.

    It was a serious question, and there are people who have observations on the topic.
    You say,
    "Enough relationship advice from the single guy.... single and happy by the way".
    Hmm, therein lies the essence of your answer.

    PS have you thought of asking a tailor and a cobbler to make adjustments?
    I hear they can do wonders! Laughing

    Anyway, thanks for your post Garry.
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    Post  Firebird Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:42 am

    flamming_python wrote:My totally objective and totally not subjective based on dating and/or relationships with from one to a few women from each of the regions in question.

    St. Petersburg - pretentious, lot of expectations, they like their theaters and art galleries and all this stuff, that I'm not really into
    Moscow - easy going and tend to look more at the personality and charm of the person, can vary in maintenance levels depending on whether they're Moscow born or actually originally from the provinces
    Crimea - like Moscow women but more gold-diggerish
    Buryatia/Kazakhstan - pretty much like provincial Russian girls, they like gifts
    Belarus/Siberia - reserved and lady-like, you'll have to put time and effort in but the main thing they're after is your personality

    StP- yes I think thats true, tho thats more what I've heard than experienced myself.
    Moscow - I think the locals are more hardnosed.
    Crimea - I knew a sweet girl, only dated her a couple of times. Her friend was Odessan (ok its Hohol-land) but that fitted your Crimea definition.
    Kaz/Bur- I've no idea.
    Siberia - they seem very sincere early on, and are... when it suits them. I agree they aren't materialists.. usually.
    But I've found something in that there tends to be some sort of hardship/alcoholism/dsyfunctionality either in them or the upbringing. My two very long terms were "wider Siberia area". One has the mother from hell. The other.. a bad relationship with alcohol. Both suffered bipolar/long term intermittent depression. And ultimately turned out to be quite scummy characters.
    Maybe that makes me a dickhead for not cutting them earlier?

    Thanks for your post FP


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    Post  Firebird Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:44 am

    higurashihougi wrote:tongue tongue tongue
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    Higu, is it true that some people jerk off over these sorts of cartoons?
    Maybe its me... but cartoons are just... cartoons, aren't they?
    Wouldn't that be like getting a hardon at Tom and Jerry? dunno
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:24 pm

    Human psychology is not my specialty but I think the drawing images resembles human enough for them to be attracted to. And may be the styles of the drawing pictures, especially of the Japanese comics, provide them some sort of "cuteness" and "angelic" appearance that most real human does not have.

    Like this :  tongue  tongue https://i.pinimg.com/originals/82/f2/6c/82f26c05db27c9c0430e9b17e13510f4.jpg

    "Cuteness" (kawaii) is one of the most prominent characteristics of the modern Japanese comic styles, but these cuteness does cause some legal troubles and misunderstanding. For example a certain man was arrested with a charge of having child porn. However it turns out that all of his pictures are 100% matured human, but the distinctive "cuteness" of Japanese comics cause a severe misunderstanding.

    Of course there are other prominent Japanese styles which depicts human more realistically and do not focus on that "cuteness".

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    Post  Firebird Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:33 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Human psychology is not my specialty but I think the drawing images resembles human enough for them to be attracted to. And may be the styles of the drawing pictures, especially of the Japanese comics, provide them some sort of "cuteness" and "angelic" appearance that most real human does not have.

    Like this :  tongue  tongue https://i.pinimg.com/originals/82/f2/6c/82f26c05db27c9c0430e9b17e13510f4.jpg

    "Cuteness" (kawaii) is one of the most prominent characteristics of the modern Japanese comic styles, but these cuteness does cause some legal troubles and misunderstanding. For example a certain man was arrested with a charge of having child porn. However it turns out that all of his pictures are 100% matured human, but the distinctive "cuteness" of Japanese comics cause a severe misunderstanding.

    Of course there are other prominent Japanese styles which depicts human more realistically and do not focus on that "cuteness".

    Hmm on one hand I respect Japanese culture in that it has remained independent and true to itself, in the face of (American led) globalism.
    But I can't say I get this.
    I've heard about all sorts of cartoon things similar to this kawaii. Octopuses, monsters, furry tigers and the like.
    I just can't understand why anyone male or female can actually see it as sexually stimulating? Maybe its connected to the plight of young Japanese who just aren't hooking up these days (I suppose partly because they don't have space to do so). Something I wonder if that, are these cartoon things taking over there so much, that they end up without much interest in RL people. Which would be a huge shame. Who knows?
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    Post  auslander Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:57 pm

    Women are the same all over the world, as are men, some good, some bad, some indifferent.If you are looking for perfection, always remember: The last perfect being we had on this rock hurtling through space, we hung him on a cross.

    My personal experience. Was in Moskau in early spring 2004, staying with a friend from service. Was introduced to this little slip of a thing and went on a chaperoned date with her, good food, excellent atmosphere, pleasant and at times animated conversation. Our reactions to our mutual friends after the date: 'He's too old.' 'She's too young.' 21 year difference. Neither of us ever married, so of course neither of us with children. By mid 2006 I found I was spending more time in Sevastopol than Florida, so I asked her for her hand in marriage. Her reply was 'Good thing you asked me because if you hadn't, I would have asked you.' She did not want to go to The Land of Round Doorknobs' so I came to her. 15 years together now, through revolution, a war up north, a war in Gruzya. Disagreements? Of course, two entirely different cultures. However, my maid, Miss Dora, gave us both advice after we were officially engaged, virtually verbatim to both of us (She often talked to 'little bits' while I was working): Never go to bed angry or upset in the least. Disagreements are part of normal life together but if you have one, solve the problem before you go to bed, if you have to, stay up all night to find the solution. Only when the solution is in hand can you both sleep.

    Best advice either of us ever got. No voice is ever raised in our house, no foul language ever in our house, everything is polite and calm whether it is chastising one of our more mischievous children, discussing the extant crisis of the moment or vowing we will never go to such and such a magazine again. Always, calm, polite and reasoned. Works for us, 8 children included including our youngest little girl, Krist'lyanah, 3 months old. Image of our youngest little girl attached. I think Krist'lyanah has her mother's little nose and my huge ears, but in general she favors both of us.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:44 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:Human psychology is not my specialty but I think the drawing images resembles human enough for them to be attracted to. And may be the styles of the drawing pictures, especially of the Japanese comics, provide them some sort of "cuteness" and "angelic" appearance that most real human does not have.

    Like this :  tongue  tongue https://i.pinimg.com/originals/82/f2/6c/82f26c05db27c9c0430e9b17e13510f4.jpg

    "Cuteness" (kawaii) is one of the most prominent characteristics of the modern Japanese comic styles, but these cuteness does cause some legal troubles and misunderstanding. For example a certain man was arrested with a charge of having child porn. However it turns out that all of his pictures are 100% matured human, but the distinctive "cuteness" of Japanese comics cause a severe misunderstanding.

    Of course there are other prominent Japanese styles which depicts human more realistically and do not focus on that "cuteness".

    Hmm on one hand I respect Japanese culture in that it has remained independent and true to itself, in the face of (American led) globalism.
    But I can't say I get this.
    I've heard about all sorts of cartoon things similar to this kawaii. Octopuses, monsters, furry tigers and the like.
    I just can't understand why anyone male or female can actually see it as sexually stimulating? Maybe its connected to the plight of young Japanese who just aren't hooking up these days (I suppose partly because they don't have space to do so). Something I wonder if that, are these cartoon things taking over there so much, that they end up without much interest in RL people. Which would be a huge shame. Who knows?

    Japanese anime is openly attempting to counter Japan's declining population. Japan is an absurdly expensive place to live and in modern urban society that
    creates a massive disincentive to have children. You can see the endless harem and "moe" bent in anime. I don't think this pro-fornication and children production
    propaganda is doing much to achieve its goal. In fact, it may be making people sexually frustrated. Also, the otaku culture looks to me a lot like incel culture.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:11 pm

    Firebird wrote:
    Maybe that makes me a dickhead for not cutting them earlier?
    Sounds like you have a type, actually. Tough, dude, but I'm sure you'd get the hang of it eventually.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:20 pm

    kvs wrote:Japanese anime is openly attempting to counter Japan's declining population  

    I don't think Japanese comics is created for that intention. I believe it is simply the opium of the masses and thanks to that, in the market economy it becomes a commodity that sell well.

    Japanese comics and animations at some level express the things that Japanese audiences desire but unable or less likely to achieve nowadays. From the sad, upset and rebellious teenagers who are dreaming of big and crazy ambitions, to the wage laborer descended from the rural areas, alienated in the city he works, and thinking of his beloved childhood friend. Or a exhausted corporate slave want some free time to share with his beloved wife and want to escape from his abusive superiors and the intensity of his workload. All are expressed in this or that level in Japanese comics.

    Even the angelic, emotional and cuteness of the manga/anime drawing is essentially the antithesis of the real Japanese lifestyle which is emotionless, superficial, excessively formal and rigid. In a world lack of emotion, emotional characters became valuable, and it sells well. The popular of Japanese comics, on my opinion, is a sign of widespread sadness and unrealized dream in Japanese society.

    I am an enthusiastic fan of Japanese comics but I am not really the admirer of the contemporary Japanese culture and lifestyle, to be honestly.

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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:56 pm

    Nobody claimed that it was created for that intention. That is your spin on my observation. The trend over the last 30 years in Japanese
    anime has been for more "moe" and less content like Neon Genesis Evangelion.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:33 pm

    "Enough relationship advice from the single guy.... single and happy by the way".
    Hmm, therein lies the essence of your answer.

    You want relationship advice are you expecting to find a region of Russia where all women are perfect?

    Do you honestly think such a place exists anywhere.

    What we are talking about is a partner for life... someone you open up to and reveal your innermost secrets and desires to... after a period of time together most people will learn more and more about you so any problem or break up is going to be messy.

    It is one thing to argue with someone on the internet, but it is another to argue with someone who knows your secrets and weaknesses.

    No one can hurt you more than someone you have been very close to... perhaps what you should be doing is looking for someone who will be a good friend first.

    Most people looking for love don't know what they want... they just know they don't have it... and if it is not what they want then they wont fight for it or work to make it work.

    But then what are your problems... do you get jealous, are you controlling...

    Shock horror surprise mate... different people are different and hearing the failure or success of others on the internet is going to help you how?

    Maybe you should go to your nearest university and sign up for all their courses on human psychology and learn tells and weaknesses... girls with daddy issues... nymphos... the obvious problem there of course is that will it last... in my experience men prefer younger women and women often like older men but it is not a hard rule. Plenty of my married friends met at high school, a few others just got together with people they could tolerate and just did not want to be alone so they settled for not perfect... they argue and shout and keep trying to set me up with single lonely people they know.

    Another person is not going to fill any gaps in your life, and of course a lot of women will settle for you to pay for dinner till they can find someone better... if you find the right person then good luck to you, but if you think there is a region anywhere on this planet where the good girls come from you are dreaming.

    And BTW tailors and cobblers can't really help.... I am rather big (ie tall and heavy) and rather small women seem to like that... a t shirt that keeps their ankles warm so to speak...

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    Post  Firebird Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:25 am

    auslander wrote:Women are the same all over the world, as are men, some good, some bad, some indifferent.If you are looking for perfection, always remember: The last perfect being we had on this rock hurtling through space, we hung him on a cross.

    My personal experience. Was in Moskau in early spring 2004, staying with a friend from service. Was introduced to this little slip of a thing and went on a chaperoned date with her, good food, excellent atmosphere, pleasant and at times animated conversation. Our reactions to our mutual friends after the date: 'He's too old.' 'She's too young.' 21 year difference. Neither of us ever married, so of course neither of us with children. By mid 2006 I found I was spending more time in Sevastopol than Florida, so I asked her for her hand in marriage. Her reply was 'Good thing you asked me because if you hadn't, I would have asked you.' She did not want to go to The Land of Round Doorknobs' so I came to her. 15 years together now, through revolution, a war up north, a war in Gruzya. Disagreements? Of course, two entirely different cultures. However, my maid, Miss Dora, gave us both advice after we were officially engaged, virtually verbatim to both of us (She often talked to 'little bits' while I was working): Never go to bed angry or upset in the least. Disagreements are part of normal life together but if you have one, solve the problem before you go to bed, if you have to, stay up all night to find the solution. Only when the solution is in hand can you both sleep.

    Best advice either of us ever got. No voice is ever raised in our house, no foul language ever in our house, everything is polite and calm whether it is chastising one of our more mischievous children, discussing the extant crisis of the moment or vowing we will never go to such and such a magazine again. Always, calm, polite and reasoned. Works for us, 8 children included including our youngest little girl, Krist'lyanah, 3 months old. Image of our youngest little girl attached. I think Krist'lyanah has her mother's little nose and my huge ears, but in general she favors both of us.

    You make some good points, Auslander. I thought you had always lived in the Donbass. Are you Russian/FSU born?
    Obviously you have a situation that works fine for you.

    The latest idiot in my case, one of the friction areas was her meddling feminist retard mother and "stages of life" (read "ages) differences. Even tho her retard daughter preferrred it that way. However the daughter was frankly bullied by the mother.

    I agree there is good (supposedly) and bad in women the world over, I do think races/nationalities etc have their own traits.
    Black women are loud and combative. American women are (often) foaming at the mouth with feminism etc. French women are overly dramatic. Russian women are feminine, but very wily and liable to backstab.. IMO of course.

    Your youngest child is beautiful. Altho my favourite is your cat! I have had a couple a lot like him/her.
    I had one for over 20 yrs since I was a kid .. same markings but longer fur. Is he a Siamese?

    Thanks for your post Auslander.

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    Maybe that makes me a dickhead for not cutting them earlier?
    Sounds like you have a type, actually. Tough, dude, but I'm sure you'd get the hang of it eventually.


    You're absolutely right. My type isn't any more "desirable" than various others. But it is in short supply in the West ie Russian of sorts. Which means I end up tolerating/turning a blind eye to red flags etc... which eventually become unsustainable.

    Not by choice, more by events my "type" in recent years has also proven to be (by their own admission), rather weak charactered and pyschologicially damamged. Can't say I like that type... but its whats happened.

    They also tend to be "non-confrontational".. which can translate to "two faced"/"insincere" when shit goes down... IMO.


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    "Enough relationship advice from the single guy.... single and happy by the way".
    Hmm, therein lies the essence of your answer.

    You want relationship advice are you expecting to find a region of Russia where all women are perfect?

    Do you honestly think such a place exists anywhere.

    What we are talking about is a partner for life... someone you open up to and reveal your innermost secrets and desires to... after a period of time together most people will learn more and more about you so any problem or break up is going to be messy.

    It is one thing to argue with someone on the internet, but it is another to argue with someone who knows your secrets and weaknesses.

    No one can hurt you more than someone you have been very close to... perhaps what you should be doing is looking for someone who will be a good friend first.

    Most people looking for love don't know what they want... they just know they don't have it... and if it is not what they want then they wont fight for it or work to make it work.

    But then what are your problems... do you get jealous, are you controlling...

    Shock horror surprise mate... different people are different and hearing the failure or success of others on the internet is going to help you how?

    Maybe you should go to your nearest university and sign up for all their courses on human psychology and learn tells and weaknesses... girls with daddy issues... nymphos... the obvious problem there of course is that will it last... in my experience men prefer younger women and women often like older men but it is not a hard rule. Plenty of my married friends met at high school, a few others just got together with people they could tolerate and just did not want to be alone so they settled for not perfect... they argue and shout and keep trying to set me up with single lonely people they know.

    Another person is not going to fill any gaps in your life, and of course a lot of women will settle for you to pay for dinner till they can find someone better... if you find the right person then good luck to you, but if you think there is a region anywhere on this planet where the good girls come from you are dreaming.

    And BTW tailors and cobblers can't really help.... I am rather big (ie tall and heavy) and rather small women seem to like that... a t shirt that keeps their ankles warm so to speak...

    Hmm, I think my post was mostly about observations. And how different countries women require different approaches.
    Russian women (younger unmarried ones) can come over as very "nice", then backstab.
    I notice how some men are pre-emptively very firm with them.

    Maybe people here here have specific approaches for Russian women?
    (preferably not involving shovels and secluded woodland! ; ) )

    I think my problem is that I concentrate on a "type" (which is unusual but no more desirable than plenty of other types) and turn a blind eye to red flags...
    Plus I dont settle down for 2nd/5th best because I see my friends doing so. I completely understand your perspective there Garry.

    Re psychology, you make a good point. And TBH I have considered brushing up my skills. As men we obsess over work psychology, pick up psychology,  sports psychology and shit like Saturday's match. Women seem to yap about shit all day. But what they do is educate each other on male pyschology and social dynamics. Often when this comes to a battle, its like a professional vs an amateur. The man has no clue whatsoever.

    As for friends, TBH I think male-female friendships are generally a giant lie. What works is "being members of the social networkrs/circles" For instnace you might get on fine with your brother's/friends mrs, but in truth they arent your friend. They are just "someone's mrs".

    Male-female friendships are often i)someone who feeds on attention with ii)someone who pathetically masturbates  over the social intimacy wishing they were with that person. Of course there are exceptions, but usually you can spot which is which in the pair... IMO.

    Additionally, how many times have you seen the "perfect couple". Are they remotely friends when they split? Nope its a vitrolic text exchanged, and then its like they were never EVER friends in the first place. Why? Because they were a couple/"lovers" but never EVER friends... IMO of course! |Personally I think its truly fucked up, but whatever.. its the culture in many places.

    So basically, I don't really want to waste time on "friends" which eventually prove not to be friends. Women "in my circle"? I've never had a problem with tho.

    I'm rather at a loss regarding your sartorial difficulties. Have you ever considered dating a big and tall woman? : /

    Thanks for your post Garry.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:41 pm

    I'm rather at a loss regarding your sartorial difficulties.

    It is not a problem for me... I have never been able to force myself to be attracted to anyone, there are just some women you notice, and when they don't notice you then nothing happens... I am not aggressive in that regard.

    But anyway problem solved, almost through the paper work... pick you 6 favourite Albanian women and you can buy the house on the other side of Papa Dragons place and we can have a big continuous party till he kills one of us or both...  Twisted Evil

    And how different countries women require different approaches.

    Different people are different... step out of a Lamborgini and most women are your type sadly... sadly because I don't have such a large metal penis in my garage.

    The man has no clue whatsoever.

    Most people want someone they can trust, but they also want someone who will trust them no matter what, but that does not mean in the end you can trust.

    Different people are different and it really comes down to the individual.

    I do think psychology would be worth a look because there are tells and hints you can learn that will give you confidence that you know what is going on... most women I know like confidence.

    As for friends, TBH I think male-female friendships are generally a giant lie. What works is "being members of the social networkrs/circles" For instnace you might get on fine with your brother's/friends mrs, but in truth they arent your friend. They are just "someone's mrs".

    Well, that depends on the basis of the friendship I suppose, if you see a woman every day walking the dog and you smile and say hello and eventually start chatting about the weather... it is not because you want to nail her, she is just someone who has become part of your life.

    Kids teachers or people you meet in volunteer work or at work, I would be a wreck if I was trying to nail all the women in my life... and would not be very happy either.

    I would say do things you enjoy doing and look around you at the other people doing that and don't be afraid to talk to people because to find the right person you have to meet a lot of wrong persons first... unless you are really lucky...


    Male-female friendships are often i)someone who feeds on attention with ii)someone who pathetically masturbates  over the social intimacy wishing they were with that person. Of course there are exceptions, but usually you can spot which is which in the pair... IMO.

    Male Female friendships are often situations where they like you but not enough to do anything about it... often they were chasing someone else at the time they met, or there is just no interest to go further.

    You can't screw them all as much as some men might want to try.... that alone is likely to put off a lot of women that could be described as keepers... which would be a serious own goal.

    Additionally, how many times have you seen the "perfect couple". Are they remotely friends when they split? Nope its a vitrolic text exchanged, and then its like they were never EVER friends in the first place. Why? Because they were a couple/"lovers" but never EVER friends... IMO of course! |Personally I think its truly fucked up, but whatever.. its the culture in Britain.

    I know couples where it didn't work.... they tried and tried, but it didn't work and they both accepted that and moved on... some were vindictive and others remained friends... well not friends... but don't stalk each other trying to kill their new partners.

    Anyway... I am currently single and currently happy, but that doesn't help you with your problem.

    Go to the library, there must be enormous numbers of books on understanding the psychology of the single woman... what makes her tick... signs to look out for... how to treat them properly... all that sort of crap... but be thorough and look out for chapters on signs of a whacko, and serial killer traits too.

    I would say don't limit yourself to a nationality... as you can see on this forum and in the international media... Navalny is Russian... which is proof not all Russians are pro Russia, there are plenty of nutjobs in any population... the real question is what sort of samples are you getting and what environments is effecting the sample of women you are meeting.

    My sister has had a marriage and a following long term serious relationship fail and the main lesson from that is don't expect to find diamonds in bars and pubs... they were both dicks.


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    The most important aspect of a female, the content between her ears, is rapidly degrading these days. Under the guise of equality
    we have the promotion of exceptionalism and denigration of males. I get tired listening to the propaganda about how males "objectify"
    females. The reality is the opposite. Females treat males like walking wallets. If a man finds a woman sexually appealing, that does
    not mean he converts her into a hand job or a sex doll. It's called intercourse for a reason. Accusing males of objectification is the
    same as accusing them of necrophilia.

    This corrupt western culture is infesting the world. Anyone who thinks they can bring over a "traditional" woman from some part
    of the world where degenerate western culture is not in full bloom is deluded. That woman is already primed and ready for conversion
    upon arrival. She'll be monkey branching as soon as she feels secure in her landed status.

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    kvs wrote:The most important aspect of a female, the content between her ears, is rapidly degrading these days.   Under the guise of equality
    we have the promotion of exceptionalism and denigration of males.   I get tired listening to the propaganda about how males "objectify"
    females.   The reality is the opposite.   Females treat males like walking wallets.   If a man finds a woman sexually appealing, that does
    not mean he converts her into a hand job or a sex doll.   It's called intercourse for a reason.   Accusing males of objectification is the
    same as accusing them of necrophilia.  

    This corrupt western culture is infesting the world.   Anyone who thinks they can bring over a "traditional" woman from some part
    of the world where degenerate western culture is not in full bloom is deluded.   That woman is already primed and ready for conversion
    upon arrival.   She'll be monkey branching as soon as she feels secure in her landed status.


    Some women are chancers who want the best of all Worlds. They want to be CEO of their company but they don't want the "macho" culture of long hours. They want "quality time with the family" but expect the man to drive the kids about (the man they want to be on a big fat salary they can divorce rape). And I could go on. I know a couple. He sells new BMWs. His wife drives a big 4x BMW (discount lease thingy, brand new with the husband's discount). HE drives a little mini because "they don't have the money for a BMW for him".  How TF can he sell BMWs if he doesn't even drive one? Why does his wife (who is on piss poor pay in a shop) get to drive the big car? To me its just one encapsulation of the faggotisation of men.
    Endocrine disruptor disorders I suspect .. in addition to brainwashing and trauma.

    Putin was right when he said that "its impossible to argue with a woman". If he was a Western leader, all of Hell's faggotry would descend on him and force him to resign. But in Russia, even the women admitted that he was absolutely right.

    Actually this loser ex of mine. Her mother is a "feminist" and a gobby bugger to boot. Father, someone with his head screwed on in comparison. Her daughter, I'd always seen as a girlish girl ie feminine in a Russian tradition (albeit born in England) One day the she lapsed into this bizarre feminist rant all the phrases of some 300 pound black female "professor" from Toronto or some such Neoliberal shitpit. Needless to say I was rather taken aback. Lots of hysteria from her. After that.. I felt it was the beginining of the end. Sure some women grow up but... "feminism" is pretty repulsive.

    Yeah I've heard a few people talk about FSU women get poisoned when they arrive in Sodom and Gomorrah. My view is that gobby (confrontational) women are inherently worthless. And "nice" women are inherently liable to backstab. I wish it wasn't true, but sadly I think it is.

    PS this is my favourite piece of wisdom on the topic.

    Sane women agree with it.
    Gays, feminists and associated losers get so irate their blue hair dye starts to run.

    Here's the saying, for those who haven't heard it.

    "A chicken is not a bird.
    And a woman is not a person"


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    Post  Firebird Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:21 am

    GarryB wrote:
    I'm rather at a loss regarding your sartorial difficulties.

    It is not a problem for me... I have never been able to force myself to be attracted to anyone, there are just some women you notice, and when they don't notice you then nothing happens... I am not aggressive in that regard.

    But anyway problem solved, almost through the paper work... pick you 6 favourite Albanian women and you can buy the house on the other side of Papa Dragons place and we can have a big continuous party till he kills one of us or both...  Twisted Evil

    And how different countries women require different approaches.

    Different people are different... step out of a Lamborgini and most women are your type sadly... sadly because I don't have such a large metal penis in my garage.

    The man has no clue whatsoever.

    Most people want someone they can trust, but they also want someone who will trust them no matter what, but that does not mean in the end you can trust.

    Different people are different and it really comes down to the individual.

    I do think psychology would be worth a look because there are tells and hints you can learn that will give you confidence that you know what is going on... most women I know like confidence.

    As for friends, TBH I think male-female friendships are generally a giant lie. What works is "being members of the social networkrs/circles" For instnace you might get on fine with your brother's/friends mrs, but in truth they arent your friend. They are just "someone's mrs".

    Well, that depends on the basis of the friendship I suppose, if you see a woman every day walking the dog and you smile and say hello and eventually start chatting about the weather... it is not because you want to nail her, she is just someone who has become part of your life.

    Kids teachers or people you meet in volunteer work or at work, I would be a wreck if I was trying to nail all the women in my life... and would not be very happy either.

    I would say do things you enjoy doing and look around you at the other people doing that and don't be afraid to talk to people because to find the right person you have to meet a lot of wrong persons first... unless you are really lucky...


    Male-female friendships are often i)someone who feeds on attention with ii)someone who pathetically masturbates  over the social intimacy wishing they were with that person. Of course there are exceptions, but usually you can spot which is which in the pair... IMO.

    Male Female friendships are often situations where they like you but not enough to do anything about it... often they were chasing someone else at the time they met, or there is just no interest to go further.

    You can't screw them all as much as some men might want to try.... that alone is likely to put off a lot of women that could be described as keepers... which would be a serious own goal.

    Additionally, how many times have you seen the "perfect couple". Are they remotely friends when they split? Nope its a vitrolic text exchanged, and then its like they were never EVER friends in the first place. Why? Because they were a couple/"lovers" but never EVER friends... IMO of course! |Personally I think its truly fucked up, but whatever.. its the culture in Britain.

    I know couples where it didn't work.... they tried and tried, but it didn't work and they both accepted that and moved on... some were vindictive and others remained friends... well not friends... but don't stalk each other trying to kill their new partners.

    Anyway... I am currently single and currently happy, but that doesn't help you with your problem.

    Go to the library, there must be enormous numbers of books on understanding the psychology of the single woman... what makes her tick... signs to look out for... how to treat them properly... all that sort of crap... but be thorough and look out for chapters on signs of a whacko, and serial killer traits too.

    I would say don't limit yourself to a nationality... as you can see on this forum and in the international media... Navalny is Russian... which is proof not all Russians are pro Russia, there are plenty of nutjobs in any population... the real question is what sort of samples are you getting and what environments is effecting the sample of women you are meeting.

    My sister has had a marriage and a following long term serious relationship fail and the main lesson from that is don't expect to find diamonds in bars and pubs... they were both dicks.


    Albanian women can be pretty hot BTW. Altho I've noticed the reality of Moscow women probably doesn't meet the hype. Anyone notice that? Strange because I've seen lots of hot Russian women and few minging ones.

    On psychology I suppose the issue is whether general books are best. Or ones geared to the Dark Arts of Relationships. I know waayyyyyy back, bitches obsessed over that "Women are from VEnus, Men are from Mars".. but then they do anything thats "in fashion".

    I agree that pubs and bars don't really work.. unless you are targetting a very specific type of bar eg in London for whatever type of person. Watching bar culture is actually quite depressing if you see it when sober. Its generally a massive numbers game and you can see how people sort of "resign themsleves to the best available", more so as they get older.

    The quality of my prospsects really depends what I'm doing eg with work/where I am travelling. With heavy lockdowns for most of 14 months, I wound up focussing on... the wrong target. Hopefully I won't make a lockdown mistake ever again.

    I've never struggled with pussy, but finding women that I actually want to spend lots of time with, a struggle with. Did u get disillusioned Garry and find you just can't be bothered with the search any more?

    Of course logically, we shouldn't restrict ourselves to nationalities, esp if we aren't living in that specific nation. But I do know what makes me buzz and what makes me think "meh". The last one I did sort of thing "well she's not REALLY Russian", esp when I heard the feminist shit. But I did think "oh life has to be about compromises".

    Anyway sorry to hear you own situation didn't work out. Altho I suspect you might think *congratulations* are more in order! I do think some people actually prefer to live alone.

    Must admit, living next door to Papa Dragon sounds appealing.
    Perhaps we could invite Vann to live there too? A daily treatise on how to fix the World.
    9 am start... and we'd be free for breakfast by..... oh 4.45 pm!

    Thanks for your post Garry.

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    Firebird wrote:
    You make some good points, Auslander. I thought you had always lived in the Donbass. Are you Russian/FSU born?
    Obviously you have a situation that works fine for you.

    Born and raised in The West. Left 'home' at 18 years and 1 second, still maintain an HoR in SehSha but have lived in Sevastopol since early 2006. Much as I love Her Excellency, she is without doubt the worst teacher of Russian imaginable. She will take 40 minutes to teach the simple word 'da', going deep in to it's history, evolution and variants. Ergo, my Russian is just good enough to confuse the road cops and then demand of them their Kommandeer, by ascending rank up to O6, Colonel/Captain First Rank.

    Now I'm going to make you faint. Image of VCO in all her beauty, and image of same lass showing true Russian Lady. By the by, she is qualified sniper. Notice the smile as she holds the '34 properly.

    Too late, pulled the photos.

    OK, ok, I got the emails. Her she is, true Russian lady. Notice the smile as the '34 is aimed directly at yours truly. Figures.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:05 pm


    Albanian women can be pretty hot BTW. Altho I've noticed the reality of Moscow women probably doesn't meet the hype. Anyone notice that? Strange because I've seen lots of hot Russian women and few minging ones.

    Yeah, because it is so critical to get a super hot chick rather than a minging one.... because beauty lasts forever... but go to an old folks home and they are all minging...

    There are tv shows where they take unattractive people (male and female) and give them a spruce up and often the effects are amazing... which suggests the actual difference between gorgeous and minging is skill at makeup and hair styling and etiquette.

    If that is the case... you are welcome... I have just massively broadened the field of potential partners for you.

    Would add that most of the guys I know who have skills with women will hit on either the prettiest girls (they are so pretty nobody bothers to hit on them because they expect to be shot down) or the 7s (ie 7 out of 10s) because most men spend all their time looking at the 8s and 9s they are with...

    On psychology I suppose the issue is whether general books are best. Or ones geared to the Dark Arts of Relationships. I know waayyyyyy back, bitches obsessed over that "Women are from VEnus, Men are from Mars".. but then they do anything thats "in fashion".

    You want something that deals with the psychology of the situation rather than some playboy reeling off some stories of when he got laid and just boasting about it.

    Essentially what I am suggesting it for you to get a better understanding of people and in particular what women are interested in and signs and tells to indicate what they are thinking.

    Watching bar culture is actually quite depressing if you see it when sober.

    Without your beer goggles on everyone is 20 years older than they first appear and it is actually quite sad...

    Did u get disillusioned Garry and find you just can't be bothered with the search any more?

    I have enough friends... there is no gap for a partner to fill really... but of course the old saying... careful what you wish for... I know a guy who likes women who have opinions and never just say "whatever you want honey"... but I really don't think he means he wants someone to boss around... I think he means he doesn't want a daughter to look after and take care of... more a partner to share with than a dependent to have to carry.

    Anyway sorry to hear you own situation didn't work out. Altho I suspect you might think *congratulations* are more in order! I do think some people actually prefer to live alone.

    Don't feel sorry for me... there was a 3rd eye blind song I used to listen to whose lyrics said something like "I never felt alone... till I met you"... if you have never met the right one how can you tell you need it?

    BTW posting a link to that song in the music thread... song is called Deep inside of you.

    Albanian women can be pretty hot BTW.

    Hey, they better be... I plan to marry 6 of them...

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    Post  franco Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:23 pm

    Hey, they better be... I plan to marry 6 of them...

    These are good Muslim girls so only 4 per "big daddy"!
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    Post  George1 Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:05 am

    flamming_python wrote:My totally objective and totally not subjective based on dating and/or relationships with from one to a few women from each of the regions in question.

    St. Petersburg - pretentious, lot of expectations, they like their theaters and art galleries and all this stuff, that I'm not really into
    Moscow - easy going and tend to look more at the personality and charm of the person, can vary in maintenance levels depending on whether they're Moscow born or actually originally from the provinces
    Crimea - like Moscow women but more gold-diggerish
    Buryatia/Kazakhstan - pretty much like provincial Russian girls, they like gifts
    Belarus/Siberia - reserved and lady-like, you'll have to put time and effort in but the main thing they're after is your personality

    do russian girls believe in true love? Rolling Eyes
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