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    Post  lancelot Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:19 am

    miketheterrible wrote:And Elon Musk wouldn't be anywhere if he didn't get the $3B of subsidies and free tech from NASA.

    Rogozin is rather new at roscosmos and is fixing the fuckuos from 1999 till now.  I know for a fact you aren't even half the man he is.  I would like to know your credentials.

    He is repairing a company that was a husk.  It takes longer than you think.  2018 till now he has been in roscosmos. And there will be 4 angaras this year with two launches and two early next year.  Pretty good considering the organization was barely alive with embezzlements everywhere in the rocket industry till 2018 and so many people ended up going to jail.

    As said, for America to be competitive, they ban shit.

    Other companies in the USA also had access to a lot more subsidies than that and free tech from NASA and went nowhere.
    Do you see Boeing Starliner in service? Perhaps you should read how much NASA paid Boeing for Starliner and how much they paid SpaceX for Dragon V2.
    NASA awarded Boeing $4.2 billion USD and SpaceX $2.6 billion USD.
    NASA also made things a lot easier for Boeing requiring less tests before it could be used for manned flight. Tests which cost money and time.
    A lot of people in the industry think the idea was to make sure Boeing would get a capsule into the station before SpaceX. Boeing still failed.

    As for my credentials I'll only tell you I have better technical credentials than Rogozin. I am not a deputy prime minister who got a PhD from a government school while he was in office. It does not matter either because I am not a specialist in the space industry.

    As for Angara launches this year I'll be waiting sitting down for those four launches.
    Even the Russian military doesn't trust the rocket enough to put a precious satellite on it. Pathetic.
    This makes it at least three launches with mass simulators.

    With regards to US bans the Russian space industry lost the segment way before the bans were put into place. If anyone should complain about US bans it would be the Chinese.
    Yet the Chinese managed to surpass both the US and Russia in number of launches.

    You complain about SpaceX getting state subsidies. I am sure Russian launch providers get zero money from the Russian military industrial complex then.
    How many of the launches Proton and Soyuz made were military launches? Even NASA paid for several Soyuz launches.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:24 pm

    Note the pattern. When Russia has a great leader, Putin, or great technocrat, Rogozin, you have foaming at the mouth criticism hurled
    at them. When you have rotten compardors, Yeltsin, or corrupt incompetents, previous head of Roscosmos, you either hear nothing
    or even praise. And as with Yeltsin and Putin, you see in this thread pathetic attacks on Rogozin trying to attribute to him the failures
    of his predecessor(s). According to swine like Nahalny, Putin introduced corruption into Russia and all the problems left behind by Yeltsin
    from the 1990s are all Putin's fault. We even have the endlessly cited "report" by "Reporters Without Borders" or some other NATzO shill
    outfit that counts journalist deaths in Russia through the 1990s, including those that died in the 1996 Chechnya operation bungled by
    Yeltsin, and attributes them as "victims of Putin's regime". The exact same propaganda drivel is being pushed in this thread.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:44 am

    My years enveloped in western propaganda, I have learned that the biggest enemies and biggest world problems are competent leaders that wont conform to the west, and most of the accusations are generally picked from a list of their own crimes... makes them sound more realistic as an accusation I guess.

    So when western media screams that Putin and Russia are destroying the planet you know who really did it... if Putin and others really were incompetent or crooked then they could be fooled or bought.... start to worry when they stop complaining about them...

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    Post  Scorpius Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:31 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:...Dmitry Rogozin himself defended his dissertation and received the title of Doctor of Technical Sciences...

    Oh suuuuuure, I can already see him burning the midnight oil as he is hitting the books lol1

    Totally not a bogus dissertation Razz


    Do you have any concrete facts that would allow you to call this thesis a fake? If not , then don't open your mouth about it. Absolutely any dissertation can be called fake, absolutely any person can be accused of anything. The accusation is not a fact. In 99% of cases, the accusation is a lie from an intellectually dishonest person.
    So, do you have the FACTS?

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:24 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:...Dmitry Rogozin himself defended his dissertation and received the title of Doctor of Technical Sciences...

    Oh suuuuuure, I can already see him burning the midnight oil as he is hitting the books lol1

    Totally not a bogus dissertation Razz


    Do you have any concrete facts that would allow you to call this thesis a fake? If not , then don't open your mouth about it. Absolutely any dissertation can be called fake, absolutely any person can be accused of anything. The accusation is not a fact. In 99% of cases, the accusation is a lie from an intellectually dishonest person.
    So, do you have the FACTS?

    Fact is that he is a flat eather moron who proven himself to be retarded on numerous occasions as is still doing it daily

    He fucked up everything he ever touched and was demoted to his current job so Borisov could come in and fix his fuckups in MIC

    He is a disgraced well connected political hot potato and sacrificing space program was seen as acceptable trade off to fix MIC which is more vital to national security

    As for his "dissertation" you can buy those anywhere you want for next to nothing, if you need one I can get you a number




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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:34 pm

    I recall Putin's thesis being called fake. Funny how clowns who have basically a high school level of education are passing
    judgement on people with PhDs. Jealousy may have something to do with this. A pathetic compensation reaction to their
    deep feelings of inadequacy.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:51 pm

    Any PhD attributed while someone is in political office is always highly suspect.
    Politicians who are or were recently in positions of power can easily leverage their connections to get a diploma.

    I know about this having been in academia myself and seeing how it operates behind the scenes.
    In the best of cases these politicians are highly coached and coddled to get their degree.
    In the worst of cases they simply pay someone else to ghostwrite their thesis and it is totally bogus.

    Anyway this is immaterial. Even in the case where people do have academic credentials they might simply be terrible leaders.
    One example would be former NASA administrator Michael Griffin.
    He does not lack diplomas but as a leader of NASA he was a total failure pushing the institution into the failed Ares I/V rockets.
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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:45 pm

    Where is there any information about either Putin or Rogozin getting their degrees while in office? Some people can take three to four years
    off to go back and do PhD research. The question is whether the topic is given to them by their supervising prof on a platter.
    My experience is that I had to find my own topic and do the work. Meanwhile I saw others in a different venue getting juicy
    research topics handed to them. This is not a trivial technicality. It is the difference between a dead end and a PhD in under
    four years. I would say that getting the right choice of topic amounts to at least 50% of any PhD. Once you have experience
    it becomes easier, but not right after getting an undergraduate degree.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 07, 2021 9:29 am

    Any PhD attributed while someone is in political office is always highly suspect.

    Hahaha... reminds me of Billy Connolly... his wife is a Kiwi... Pamela Stephenson who was in comedies in the 1970s like not the nine oclock news and other things and she went to university and earned degrees in various subjects including psychology, for which she worked years to achieve.

    Billy made a bit of a joke about how she would have friends from her university times who would come over and chat about old times and and with a bit of nostalgia talk about all the work they had to do to get their degrees.

    He would mention to her about his really hard day at university that he spent receiving an honorary degree just to wind her up.

    The irony is that many people doing degrees can get cross credit for real world experience too so if you are doing some degree that requires a management paper has to be done if you happened to manage a real shop or farm or some other thing in the real world you can sometimes get that credited without having to sit that paper because your real world experience means you already know most of what that paper would cover.

    In that sense a doctorate in comedy where someone has spent 70 odd years of his life being funny on stage as a profession that making him sit and take exams is a little churlish... his career pretty much proves he knows what he is talking about.

    Of course an honorary degree in brain surgery is another matter...

    I am going to move the Anti Rogozin campaign material from this thread soon including this post... when I do there is to be no further rubbish about it on this thread.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    I am going to move the Anti Rogozin campaign material from this thread soon including this post... when I do there is to be no further rubbish about it on this thread.


    +1 and its about time thumbsup

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