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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:57 pm

    Are you really discussing the ability of Ukropistan to strike Moscow?
    scratch
    You don't have anything more effective to do, like scratching your arses, or opening a beer or something? scratch

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    Post  kvs Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:21 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:I read on twitter a couple of days ago of reports that Ukraine's president had offered Russia to let them transit their oil through Ukraine at 50% the regular price. Couldn't find a proper article to confirm, but if true its showing how desperate he is getting after all the anti-Russia retoric.

    You mean gas. The problem is that the Arctic gas fields which Russia has developed to replace the depleted fields servicing the pipelines
    running through Ukraine are not connected to this network. Nord Stream I and II are designed to export gas from these new Arctic fields.
    What EU-tards and their Kiev regime lackeys want is not what they can get.

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    Post  Firebird Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:54 pm

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    Instead of writing "letters of complaint", Russia needs to fight fire with fire.
    An equal response and raising it.
    Spark a coup in Mexico and 10 Russian bases inside its borders.
    Blockade the Ukraine and remove the illegal Washington junta that infests the region.

    In the Western/Southern half, the population is on average staunchly pro Russian.
    The "middle quarter" is currently hohol/Nazi dominated but is dim enough to go along with anything if enough guns/money is shown.
    The Western 1/4 of the population is simply controlled by the Nazi filth. Basically they achieved electoral majority by genocide of Russians and Jews. Accordingly, they do not deserve to control those lands, regardless of their electoral mix.

    We keep hearing about "Putin's long game". But its looking like a "VERY long game"... if that.
    Its 13 yrs since Sakashvili got a slap in Georgia and that place still isn't really leaning towards Russia.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Oct 26, 2021 1:31 pm

    This is not a game.  Putin doesn't care about Ukraine.  He does not need it for anything. There is often a perception that Russia needs the former USSR republics. This is bullshit. It would only be a burden for them
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    Post  Firebird Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:53 pm

    Arrow wrote:This is not a game.  Putin doesn't care about Ukraine.  He does not need it for anything. There is often a perception that Russia needs the former USSR republics.  This is bullshit.  It would only be a burden for them


    But at least half of the Ukraine is part of the Russian World. I would say substantially more.

    If America sent tanks into St P burg and the people didn't fight back on their own would you say "oh Russia doesn't need St Pburg"?

    In around 2000 it was said that US attempts to take over the Ukraine would mean WW3. Russian govt spokesmen said that.
    So now there is a US installed junta, and you are saying "oh the Ukraine doesn't matter".

    THAT is bullshit!

    Half of the Ukraine is far more Russian than the 3 hachee Caucus Republics. Yet Russia lost thousands of lives fighting for those holes. Destroying the hohol army would be easy, and Russia would be welcomed with open arms in atleast half of the area.

    As things stand, Russia is barely even doing soft power.

    Pro RUssian Ukraine is a huge asset for Russia. Putin has said so itself. It has resources, its a buffer vs the West.
    And as white Christian people, it allows the Eurasian Union to expand without being Muslim dominated.
    The Ukraine is essential to Russia long term.

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    Post  kvs Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:21 pm

    Let them set up their bases. Amerislimes think that it is WWII and that their bases give them some sort of military advantage.
    The only advantage is for the corrupt yanqui MIC.

    Russia does not need the Ukr tar baby. Let all those "moya hata s krayu" "Russians" get their own asses in gear. We saw
    what real grass roots action was in the case of Crimea. It was not some Russian soldiers in Sevastopol that stopped the
    Ukr goon squads brought in by the trainload.

    It is funny how Trotsky and all sorts of other clowns up to the present day have written Russia off as nothing without
    Ukraine. What a retarded joke. Russia is vastly better off without this toilet anchor around its neck.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:22 pm

    If America sent tanks into St P burg and the people didn't fight back on their own would you say "oh Russia doesn't need St Pburg"?

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    OMG Shocked However, there is probably a big difference between St. Petersburg in Russia and Ukraine.  What a comparison.No Ukraine means nothing to Russia, and since 91 it has been anti-Russian all the time. Ukraine is not an asset to Russia.  Putting huge sums into Ukraine, which is anti-Russian and unstable, is a failed country, is the last thing Russia needs.  Stop now with this great myth of Ukraine without which Russia cannot exist.
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    Post  Firebird Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:18 pm

    Arrow wrote:
    If America sent tanks into St P burg and the people didn't fight back on their own would you say "oh Russia doesn't need St Pburg"?

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    OMG Shocked However, there is probably a big difference between St. Petersburg in Russia and Ukraine.  What a comparison.No Ukraine means nothing to Russia, and since 91 it has been anti-Russian all the time. Ukraine is not an asset to Russia.  Putting huge sums into Ukraine, which is anti-Russian and unstable, is a failed country, is the last thing Russia needs.  Stop now with this great myth of Ukraine without which Russia cannot exist.

    Currently its around 50:50, according to the usual geography. And it Russia took the fight to the Ukraine it would be 70:30.
    Infact its only around 20% that are actually antiRussian - ie the Lvov garbage.
    And Kiev is the Mother City of the Rus.
    Thats from 900 years before St Pburg stopped being an empty swamp.

    Would u have Russia vacate the 3 Caucuses too?

    Russia could "exist" without Moscow, Sochi, Vvostok, but why allow it?
    Why the **** should Russian people be chased out of Russian lands and leave Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa etc and move to the RF?

    Thats not how people of a superpower nationality should be forced to act.
    The Russian World is Russia, not Rwanda!

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    Ukraine bombed the separatist positions with the TB2 drone Neutral
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    Post  TMA1 Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:15 am

    Arrow wrote:Ukraine bombed the separatist positions with the TB2 drone Neutral

    Yeah wtf was that about?
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Oct 27, 2021 8:37 am

    Dunno, but it will probably force DNR/LNR forces to respond.  And Ukraine would be at fault since there is obviously video evidence of them restarting hostilities.

    Previously, one of these drones were hacked and forced to land in DNR/LNR territory, a few more may just do the same.

    Edit: DNR/LNR hacked and landed a Ukrainian drone, not one of these Turkish drones. My bad.


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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 27, 2021 10:47 am

    But at least half of the Ukraine is part of the Russian World. I would say substantially more.

    You can say what you like... if the Ukrainian people will stand by while people are burned to death in a building because they want to speak Russian then why would Russia want to incorporate Ukrainian into their language set?

    It is the old story of the set up for genocide... we want the land but don't much care for the people... whether it is Germans coveting Russian land, Georgians coveting South Ossetia and Abkhazia, even the Ukraine wanting the Crimea... you can tell it is wrong when you want the land but don't care about the people currently on the land... if they are not your people then it probably isn't your land.

    You can fight to take it but you might have to kill them all... so how much is that land actually worth to you.

    Russia already has more land than it can fund development on and even if they could take Kiev without firing a shot... which is not likely considering the number of nutters there... it is going to collapse the Russian economy and burn up all their reserves to just start fixing the damn place.

    The US and EU broke it... let them fix it... of course they claim everything is fine there so they don't have to spend any money on it of course.

    If America sent tanks into St P burg and the people didn't fight back on their own would you say "oh Russia doesn't need St Pburg"?

    The difference is that St P burg would destroy those American forces before the rest of Russia could respond.... the rest of Russia would just need to work out what sort of party to have to celebrate.

    In around 2000 it was said that US attempts to take over the Ukraine would mean WW3. Russian govt spokesmen said that.
    So now there is a US installed junta, and you are saying "oh the Ukraine doesn't matter".

    Another 20 years of hate and fear from the Ukrainians and they are not worth much as a prize.... they have become a victim state that is hollow where the leaders are looking for a nice big rich sugar daddy they can sell off the remaining Ukrainian assets for so they can move big money off shore and retire to the French rivera with their families and forget about Russia and the Ukraine... and just work on that tan.

    Ukrainian people don't see themselves as being Russian any more, just like African Americans know they can't live the American dream... a dream for most Americans that now is only reality for 1%.

    Half of the Ukraine is far more Russian than the 3 hachee Caucus Republics. Yet Russia lost thousands of lives fighting for those holes. Destroying the hohol army would be easy, and Russia would be welcomed with open arms in atleast half of the area.

    Welcomed as someone that would come in and spend big money and fix everything and no matter how much is spent they will complain that more could have been done... and how could Russia have let them be fooled like that by the west.


    As things stand, Russia is barely even doing soft power.

    Russia has spent the last 30 years looking after its own interests and the interests of others where their interests coincide with Russian interests... now is not the time to take on stowaways and ticks.

    Pro RUssian Ukraine is a huge asset for Russia. Putin has said so itself.

    Pro Russia Ukraine would be.... but it currently does not exist and is mostly anti Russia nazi party of loonies in charge of people who can't be bothered or are too scared to do anything about it.

    It has resources, its a buffer vs the West.

    Exploiting it for its natural resources would make Russia no different from the EU and US... and it is still a buffer to the West... any token forces the west might base there would be kindling that would be swept aside in any real conflict.

    And as white Christian people, it allows the Eurasian Union to expand without being Muslim dominated.

    White christian people who don't like Russians and want a separate church that presumably runs on the Ukrainian language...

    The Ukraine is essential to Russia long term.

    The Ukraine will always be a neighbour, but currently with closed borders and no trade ties by their choice and their preference.

    We saw
    what real grass roots action was in the case of Crimea. It was not some Russian soldiers in Sevastopol that stopped the
    Ukr goon squads brought in by the trainload.

    Indeed... if the Crimean people had just sat and watched then Russia would still be renting naval facilities in Sevastopol... the Crimea would have plenty of water and not a lot else.

    It is funny how Trotsky and all sorts of other clowns up to the present day have written Russia off as nothing without
    Ukraine. What a retarded joke. Russia is vastly better off without this toilet anchor around its neck.

    They never say the same about Belarus or the Baltic states or Georgia... a gang that has members that are in the gang against their will is actually a cult... which makes it terribly fragile when members are desperate to leave because any excuse and... well we saw the breakup of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union...

    Currently its around 50:50, according to the usual geography. And it Russia took the fight to the Ukraine it would be 70:30.
    Infact its only around 20% that are actually antiRussian - ie the Lvov garbage.
    And Kiev is the Mother City of the Rus.
    Thats from 900 years before St Pburg stopped being an empty swamp.

    You only need 5% armed and supported by the west to create an ongoing insurrection that bleeds Russia and distracts her... exactly what the US wants... the US is afraid of war against Russia but would love Russia to be at war... with anyone... they don't care.

    And the situation now is what is important... ironically the Ukraine is turning into an empty swamp now...


    Would u have Russia vacate the 3 Caucuses too?

    The general population didn't want war and consider themselves to be Russian and speak Russian.

    Why the **** should Russian people be chased out of Russian lands and leave Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa etc and move to the RF?

    Because the people in power in Kiev are happy to see every Russian speaking person as the enemy and are prepared to burn them to death as a matter of policy... sounds like a great reason to either get rid of their government or move... but does not have to be to Russia.

    Thats not how people of a superpower nationality should be forced to act.
    The Russian World is Russia, not Rwanda!

    Very patriotic... but the Ukraine is no prize... it represents a burden... a money pit into which Russia could pour trillions and still not see any gratitude or loyalty... Russia just needs to be patient... eventually the people of the Ukraine will realise they have been had by the west and as the west keeps making promises they never deliver upon they will loose patience with them.... especially if the EU wants to try sending African migrants to the Ukraine to solve their own migrant problems... I am surprised the Ukraine has not offered to take them and perhaps build big prisons where the EU and even US could send their prisoners and keep them imprisoned for a fraction of the cost in the west to keep someone in jail... would be a good money earner for them.

    Previously, one of these drones were hacked and forced to land in DNR/LNR territory, a few more may just do the same.

    Maybe booby trap them and refuel them and relaunch them and release their control so the Orcs recover control and fly it back to its launch site... boom.

    I would think they could return the favour in kind these days anyway...

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:39 am

    TMA1 wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Ukraine bombed the separatist positions with the TB2 drone Neutral

    Yeah wtf was that about?

    Looks like the Ukies may have hit back at a D30 firing at them. A video shows the gun crew, gun out in the open, running away after the explosion.

    Video at link https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1453233588955136007


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    Also today, looks like some upgraded AD may be needed.

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    Reports are coming in now that Ukrainian forces have attacked an oil depot in Donetsk using a drone.

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    Occupation authorities in parts of Donetsk region claim that Ukrainian UAV dropped an ammunition on oil reservoir in Kirovsky district of Donetsk. Ammunition did not explode. No fire or casualties or any other consequences https://liveuamap.com/en/2021/27-october-occupation-authorities-in-parts-of-donetsk-region


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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:36 pm

    Problem is, the drones flies higher than I believe any current DNR/LNR ad system can hit it.  Besides Russia providing air support in creating a no fly zone, not much can be done about these drones besides the forces of the region use electronic warfare.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:03 pm

    More on drone attack

    a day ago

    General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirmed Bayraktar TB2 combat drone was used for the first time at Donbas, in response to the death of Ukrainian soldier as result of attack of Russian forces

    Ukraine has reportedly used TB2 drone against Russian artillery position which was in violation of Minsk agreements withdrawal range

    8 hours ago

    Russian FM Lavrov says: The Russian Federation is verifying information on the use of the Turkish Bayraktar drone by Ukraine

    7 hours ago

    Occupation authorities in parts of Donetsk region of Ukraine say that they have no proofs that Ukraine used Bayraktar drone


    https://liveuamap.com/en/2021/27-october-occupation-authorities-in-parts-of-donetsk-region-3422
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    Post  Firebird Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:40 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oahMCNdh2Ng

    Putin admits the Ukrainian people ie pro Russians are being suppressed by the Banderite-Washington filth.
    So that knocks out some of the comments that "the Russians in the Ukraine deserve it".

    Strangely he is rather silent on what he'll do.
    His body language suggests he's deliberately biting his tongue.
    Maybe he is out of patience and is considering a strike at some point if America continues to be moronic.

    I think some people here just don't understand that so much of the Ukraine is part of Russia. Not the Russian Federation, but the Russian World.

    This is a junta Russia is dealing with, NOT a "free democracy".
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 27, 2021 11:55 pm

    Interesting article on the drive, some fair some the usual crap. You might spot me battling it out in the comments Laughing Laughing Laughing

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42894/ukraine-strikes-russian-backed-forces-using-turkish-made-tb2-drones-for-the-first-time

    Good map though, reminding us.

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    Post  limb Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:39 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Problem is, the drones flies higher than I believe any current DNR/LNR ad system can hit it.  Besides Russia providing air support in creating a no fly zone, not much can be done about these drones besides the forces of the region use electronic warfare.
    So that will allow the Ukraine to keep destroying novorossiyan equipment and personally indefinitely, since we see Russia will never shoot the down?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:35 am

    Looks like the Ukies may have hit back at a D30 firing at them. A video shows the gun crew, gun out in the open, running away after the explosion.

    Ask the Israelis... the easiest way to justify an attack is claim it is self defence...

    Reports are coming in now that Ukrainian forces have attacked an oil depot in Donetsk using a drone.

    Don't tell me... the drone attack was in response because the oil depot attacked a church or a school and this was self defence...

    Also today, looks like some upgraded AD may be needed.

    The cheapest and simplest AD considering they are never going to attack with thousands of drones would be a drone of their own fitted with a semi auto shotgun that can be flown up to the height the enemy drone is operating and and make a shallow dive on the drone considering it has a pusher propeller so it has no tail gun and probably has limited visibility behind and above and it would make a running attack easier... just some heavy buckshot ammo loaded.... so a few dollars in ammo... easy to get easy to afford and just manually fly them when there is information they are in the air... which is the main problem, but thermal imagers and help from a neighbour as warning might be useful there.

    A shotgun perhaps with a belt feed is relatively compact and light and cheap and would not cause danger to people on the ground like a rifle calibre machine gun would.

    Another option could be a belt fed 9mm SMG or .22lr weapon which could both reach out to greater effective ranges and still not present a huge danger on the ground... if fired at an altitude of 4km or more buckshot or 9mm pistol bullets or .22lr rifle bullets would be mostly harmless to people on the ground... a spread of buckshot or burst of 9mm or .22LR rounds gives a decent chance of multiple hits to make the target crash... a full auto .22lr might be effective to 20-30m, while a 9mm might do damage to 60-70m... buckshot probably effective to 30-40m.

    Lighter pellet rounds for closer in but they might not have the projectile weight to do more than superficial damage.

    Putin admits the Ukrainian people ie pro Russians are being suppressed by the Banderite-Washington filth.

    Pro Russian people get a hard time in most western countries... including the Baltic states... that does not make it Russias problem.

    So that knocks out some of the comments that "the Russians in the Ukraine deserve it".

    The pro Russian Ukrainians are putting up with this treatment... nobody deserves to be forced to speak a different language, and certainly not be burned to death for it.

    Strangely he is rather silent on what he'll do.
    His body language suggests he's deliberately biting his tongue.

    Probably because he knows if he inflames the tensions he could make things a lot worse and fall into the civil war trap the west was hoping he would wander in to.

    The Ukraine was broken over a period of 30 years and one invasion by Russian troops cannot fix that overnight if at all.

    Many Ukrainians would love for Russian troops to invade the Ukraine... but that would be many from both sides... some will see them as liberators to get rid of the nazis the Americans put in charge, but some will see it as a chance to shoot Russians... their country is currently a shithole... they don't have much to lose, but know they will get full western support if it turns into a shooting war...

    The west loves its little pets.... those little vermin from Poland and the Baltic States and Belarus and Ukraine and Georgia and Azerbaijan and even Armenia that hate Russians and spit venom at them at every opportunity... and while Russia is the enemy they will be kept as court pets... court jesters if you will.

    At some stage however there is going to be a split between Europe and the US... Even Boris Johnson has said the UK needs better relations with Russia.... because trade and income are always better than being Americas cock sucker.

    When that happens there is going to be a house cleaning and those anti Russian voices no doubt will be sidelined because it wont be practical to ignore and isolate and demonise Russia any more... they will talk about partnerships and cooperation and all the stuff Putin was talking about since he was elected and was rebuffed and ignored over... but when it is their idea it will be the newest and best thinking and the only real future for the world... Rolling Eyes they will always be assholes.

    The question really will be whether Russia will have boosted trade ties and links with Asia and Africa and central and south America to the point where they can say thanks but no thanks... we already have full ships sailing the world and we know what sort of friend you are...

    So that will allow the Ukraine to keep destroying novorossiyan equipment and personally indefinitely, since we see Russia will never shoot the down?

    An excellent polygon for anti drone drones armed with guns or other weapons like nets etc for use against enemy drones... an ideal situation where they can work through the issues of a drone that will get to altitude fast enough to be effective, but also early warning and suitable weapons for dealing with the problem... and of course they could probably return the favour with a few suicide drones to test as well.

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    Post  Firebird Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:47 am

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    Pro Russian people get a hard time in most western countries... including the Baltic states... that does not make it Russias problem.



    The pro Russian Ukrainians are putting up with this treatment... nobody deserves to be forced to speak a different language, and certainly not be burned to death for it.



    Probably because he knows if he inflames the tensions he could make things a lot worse and fall into the civil war trap the west was hoping he would wander in to.

    The Ukraine was broken over a period of 30 years and one invasion by Russian troops cannot fix that overnight if at all.

    Many Ukrainians would love for Russian troops to invade the Ukraine... but that would be many from both sides... some will see them as liberators to get rid of the nazis the Americans put in charge, but some will see it as a chance to shoot Russians... their country is currently a shithole... they don't have much to lose, but know they will get full western support if it turns into a shooting war...

    The west loves its little pets.... those little vermin from Poland and the Baltic States and Belarus and Ukraine and Georgia and Azerbaijan and even Armenia that hate Russians and spit venom at them at every opportunity... and while Russia is the enemy they will be kept as court pets... court jesters if you will.

    At some stage however there is going to be a split between Europe and the US... Even Boris Johnson has said the UK needs better relations with Russia.... because trade and income are always better than being Americas cock sucker.

    When that happens there is going to be a house cleaning and those anti Russian voices no doubt will be sidelined because it wont be practical to ignore and isolate and demonise Russia any more... they will talk about partnerships and cooperation and all the stuff Putin was talking about since he was elected and was rebuffed and ignored over... but when it is their idea it will be the newest and best thinking and the only real future for the world...  Rolling Eyes  they will always be assholes.

    The question really will be whether Russia will have boosted trade ties and links with Asia and Africa and central and south America to the point where they can say thanks but no thanks... we already have full ships sailing the world and we know what sort of friend you are...



    1)The Ukraine isn't a "Western country". Its a mix - half Russian but originally separate for reasons supposedly of Moscow's choosing. Most of it is the Russian World - historically, culturally, economically even legally in many ways.

    To say otherwise is like saying Hawaii is Russian.

    2) This is the most important point.
    Putin is speaking far far differently now.

    Before he would say "the Ukrainian people must make up their minds".
    Now he is saying "the Ukrainian/Russian people there are being terrorised by a fascist state controlled by Nazis".
    Obviously he doesn't want to say military action yet, that is not his way. He isn't Rogozin.
    But observers in the Pukraine, the US, EU will know exactly what he is conveying.

    3) A quarter of it is rabidly antiRussian because the pro Russians were basically exterminated in the Great Patriotic War.
    Check out the CIA's Wikipedia. Infact Lviv was just 15% Ukrainian in 1930 and nearly 30% Jewish! BY 1950, Poles, Russians and the tiny number of remaining Jews were 50% of it. The situation in other parts of W Ukraine are even more non Ukrainian historically.

    Thats why "democratic mandate" in the West Ukraine isn't a democratic mandate at all. Its power as the result of genocide.

    In any case, that shithole is pretty irrelevant.

    4)Yes the Baltics are scum too. But partition is not an easy thing there.
    Russia is starting to turn the screw tho. And the EU will more and more see the US as nothing more than an arrogant troublemaker. Russia has built its own megaport, thereby making the Baltic state ports largely redundant. And there is more it can and will do.

    5) Russia has already been "naughty" with the Crimea. What did Uncle Sham do? Nothing! Because he can't do anything
    Same would happen with the rest of the Ukraine.

    6)Russia managed to let a tiny little area of 6m beat a place of 40m. By "providing suport... but not providing support" - it was never caught providing anything.
    So you can't think Russia will struggle if it openly decides to liberate Russians from Nazis. Putin himself said he'd in control of the country within 16 hrs. And that was before the route via Belarus was opened up.

    7)Sooner or later Putin will have to ignore short term economic issues.
    Every year that passes, more fools will be brainwashed into "Ukrainification", making the inevitably required job harder and harder.

    Why do you think VVP has changed his tone so much?

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    Post  kvs Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:12 pm

    Maybe they can throw grandma in the oven while they are at it.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:23 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Looks like the Ukies may have hit back at a D30 firing at them. A video shows the gun crew, gun out in the open, running away after the explosion.

    Ask the Israelis... the easiest way to justify an attack is claim it is self defence...

    A poster in that Drive thread, now deleted, said that the D30 was responding to an earlier Ukie attack.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:14 pm

    Seems to have started with the normal Ukies taking pot shots this afternoon and then developed, continuing into the evening.

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    Intense battles in #Dokuchaievsk. Not the usual mortar and artillery battles over distance. This sounds more like CQB. Many videos being posted on social media right now.



    Then this is spotted, not sure if just normal movements

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    It appears that Voronezh Maslovka railway station is again packed with the Russian military equipment, just like in April.

    Comms vehicles, 2S19 Msta-S SPGs on wagons, BMPs, MT-LB armored vehicles and more.

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