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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #30

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:07 pm

    Former President of the Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, got splashed with brilliant green today at the 30th anniversary of Ukrainian independence celebrations



    Don't know the agenda of the person who did it was, he could be a disgruntled Ukronazi for all I know.
    But that takes some balls..

    The revolution eats its own children thumbsup

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    Post  Hole Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:53 am

    Why paint? Use acid!
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:29 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Former President of the Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, got splashed with brilliant green today at the 30th anniversary of Ukrainian independence celebrations



    Don't know the agenda of the person who did it was, he could be a disgruntled Ukronazi for all I know.
    But that takes some balls..

    The revolution eats its own children thumbsup

    Wow.

    Petro Poroshenko, who said "our children will go to school; their children will "go to school"? "live"? in holes in the ground. Well deserved for it to happen to him. .

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:31 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Ukronazis on the prowl, I think from yesterdays festivities

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    "Death to Russia"

    Not because I like the sign, I don't, but thanks for posting!
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:47 pm

    Tit for tat and what a tat Laughing

    Tit

    Dean O'Brien - BA (Hons)
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    High voltage signBreakingHigh voltage signReports coming in now that the village of Mineralnoye in the Donetsk People's Republic has been under heavy attack since 06.10 this morning. Ukrainian forces have been attacking from Avdiivka with over thirty 120mm mortars being fired so far. #Donbass



    Tat

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    BRKNG: Heavy #Russia artillery strikes hit #Ukraine-held city of #Avdiyivka in #Donbas Aug 28 morning, rendering 1 UA soldier non-critically wounded & 3 trucks destroyed: reliable UA journos & bloggers posting videos, photos.
    Reportedly, the heaviest RU strike in area since 2017.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:53 pm

    Hope they really are Russian forces, and that they've stopped fking around, started to put their foot down on further destabilization of the conflict zone

    And now's a great time for it, with the imminent construction of Nord Stream 2, and after Kiev chickened out from the escalation and offensive they themselves initiated in the spring. They backed down as the stakes started to increase, and it's only going to be downhill for them from here. Shouldn't have played stupid games.
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    Post  franco Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:16 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Hope they really are Russian forces, and that they've stopped fking around, started to put their foot down on further destabilization of the conflict zone

    Alias Panchenko is an Ukrainian blogger who identifies all resistance to the Maidan as being from Russian forces angry

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:58 pm

    ASB News / MILITARY〽
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    Ukrainian Armed Forces took heavy material & personnel hits in Avdiivka; by Donbas/Donetsk republic forces


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    Post  VARGR198 Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:33 pm

    I can't find the tweet right now, but I did read yesterday of a member of the Russian Government stating that the Taliban were now better equiped than Ukraine is. I found this dig rather amusing.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:04 am

    VARGR198 wrote:I can't find the tweet right now, but I did read yesterday of a member of the Russian Government stating that the Taliban were now better equiped than Ukraine is. I found this dig rather amusing.

    Well, if we take for granted that they left behind 80 000 military cars only ...
    But I don't believe those numbers, anyway.
    All of them are part of the giant fraud the Afghan used to be, bottom-up.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:51 pm

    VARGR198 wrote:I can't find the tweet right now, but I did read yesterday of a member of the Russian Government stating that the Taliban were now better equiped than Ukraine is. I found this dig rather amusing.

    This might help

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    Russia’s defense minister has claimed that the US left behind a massive cache of weapons in Afghanistan, including more than 100 Javelin anti-tank missile systems.

    Sergey Shoigu says the militant group is now better equipped than the Ukrainian Army.
    https://rt.com/russia/533461-

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:54 pm

    Let's say it mildly, the comment itself is not from Shoigu, but Soloviev.
    Yes, they left behind a 3x more javelins Ukrs received.
    Does it state for overall equipment?
    Hardly.
    You can witness how the media sucks all over.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:47 am

    They left behind equipment but we have no idea in what state it was left... it could have been on fire for all we know.

    More importantly 50 Javelins might turn into 1,000 when it comes time to send the bill... the CIA could simply spread rumours that many things are booby trapped... some rifle ammo with the propellent removed and some C4 and a detonator inside and people lose confidence in the stuff real quick...

    Booby trapping ammo being left to be captured is a time honoured thing for the US... even back fighting the Indians they would allow blankets to be captured in winter with people suffering from disease contaminating them in the hopes of wiping out entire groups of Indians with bio warfare.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:46 am

    Russians had a dedicated anti-insurgency round, intended to be left in depots conquered/looted by the enemy.
    It was designed to explode in a barrel. Don't remember the project name/number.
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    Post  kvs Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:42 pm



    Russia is not going to renew the permit for OSCE "observers" (aka NATzO spies) to monitor the automobile traffic between Russia
    and the LNR and DNR after September 30, 2021.

    The OSCE was invited to these crossing points before the Minsk Accords.   But now the Ukr freaks in Khuyiv are trying to paint this
    change in status as some sort of gross violation of those accords.   Even though Russia is not even a party in them with any obligations
    while Khuyiv has systematically violated and ignored all of its obligations.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:59 am

    Russians had a dedicated anti-insurgency round, intended to be left in depots conquered/looted by the enemy.
    It was designed to explode in a barrel. Don't remember the project name/number.

    Have never heard of that before.

    I know the CIA used to sabotage ammo left behind by forces in Vietnam during that war to try to damage the image of the weapons they were using, and of course there were plenty of accusations in the west during the 1980s that the evil Soviets were making mines and explosive devices look like pens and teddy bears to kill and maim children... but it always turned out it was bullshit... the stuff was found to be CIA plants and most of it was made in Japan.

    Most of the time AFAIK the Soviets used to just burn everything they had to leave behind... a few road flares and engine oil in an armoured vehicle or aircraft would reduce it to scrap... takes a few seconds to spread the fuel and another second to light the flare and drop it in and walk away... no need to monitor it or anything... on to the next thing...

    Large amounts of ammo were often burned or detonated in place... fire is excellent for getting rid of excess munitions.

    I would think booby trapped ammo could be more trouble than it is worth if it gets mixed with normal stocks.

    If you have any info about it I would be interested in reading anything you can find.
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    Post  owais.usmani Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:57 pm

    https://tass.com/world/1334091

    KIEV, September 4. /TASS/. Commander-in-Chief of Ukraine’s Armed Forces Valery Zaluzhny would like to drive a tank along Arbat Street and around Red Square in Moscow, he admitted in response to a question from a viewer on Ukrainian TV on Saturday.

    "To tell the truth, I think yes, and along Arbat too," Zaluzhny said, adding in response to the anchorwoman’s follow-up question, "Yes, but carefully, since it is a monument."

    Zaluzhny also answered in the affrimative when asked if he would like to drive a tank to the music and under the Ukrainian flag.

    On July 27, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky dismissed Ruslan Khomchak and appointed Zaluzhny as commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s Armed Forces.

    The new top military chief was born in Novograd-Volynsky, Zhitomir Region. He is a career military officer and has served as commander of the North Operational Command since 2019.

    lol!

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:21 am

    All they have left is big talk...

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:50 am

    All that talking can be ended when Shoigu will decide to visit the prosecutor's office in Mariupol, as called.
    He already said that he will comply, not sure if he will take only the 150th Mechanized Division, or the rest of the 8th Army, too.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:01 pm


    Does getting strapped to the hood of the tank which goes down the Red Square also counts as driving?

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    Post  franco Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:39 pm

    Republics of Donbass took the first step towards unification

    For six long and painful years, customs posts between the LPR and the DPR have raised bewildered questions not only among residents of the self-proclaimed republics of Donbass, but also far beyond their borders. Now Luhansk and Donetsk have decided to get rid of them, taking the first step towards unification, which can only be welcomed.

    From October 1, the aforementioned customs posts will be liquidated in connection with the creation of a single economic zone and a single customs space of the republics. This was announced on September 6 by the head of the LPR State Customs Committee, Yuri Afanasyevsky, during the discussion of the socio-economic development program for 2022-2024 and the synchronization of the LPR and DPR legislation, which took place between Donetsk and Lugansk in the format of a video conference.

    The functionary clarified that within the framework of the work of a single customs space on a single customs territory there will be a single internal market for goods, uniform customs tariffs and other measures to regulate foreign trade in goods with third countries will be applied. He explained that the movement of goods between the LPR and the DPR will be free, without customs declaration and state control.

    At the same time, LPR goods will not be considered imported into the DPR and vice versa. Documents issued by government agencies of one of the republics of Donbass will be equally recognized in the other. He added that for a single customs area there is no difference in which of the republics individual citizens, individual entrepreneurs and legal entities are registered. Therefore, the concepts "resident" and "non-resident" cannot be used in relation to them in a single space of the republics.

    Following the results of the above event, the heads of the LPR and DPR, Leonid Pasechnik and Denis Pushilin, respectively, adopted a declaration on the creation of a single economic and customs space in accordance with Russian legislation. The LPR and DPR are left to sign the relevant interstate agreements to make the single economic and customs space work.

    However, this is already an accompanying technical (legal) detail, and there is still time to put signatures until October 1. We remind you that on July 17, the DPR opened the border with the LPR, which was closed for more than a year due to the COVID-19 epidemic.

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    Post  kvs Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:49 pm



    Butthurt Zelensky has ramped up screeching about the threat of a war of aggression by Russia after he failed to get
    a meeting with Putin. He claims that this will be Russia's biggest mistake. No you fecking retard, your whole existence
    is a mistake and an atrocity. Russia has removed a massive parasite in 2014. The cost of keeping you freaks and your
    NATzO puppet masters at bay is small and stimulates Russia's GDP. A true win for Russia.

    This mentality is not unique to Zelensky. This is the Banderastani national trait. Resentful welfare leech losers who expect to
    ride the gravy train because they breathe and get hysterical because they are not getting their way like tantrum babies.
    It makes me happy to see butcher of the red terror Trotsky's drivel about Russia being nothing without "Ukraine" being
    demonstrated wrong on an epic scale.



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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:16 am

    For those who want a good laugh, let's read a Ukrainian media readout of the situation

    https://apostrophe.ua/article/economy/jenergetika/2021-09-02/esli-rossiya-perekroet-gaz-kak-ukraine-ne-skatitsya-v-srednevekove/41469
    Apostrophe (Ukraine): if Russia turns off the gas: how Ukraine does not slide into the Middle Ages
    09/04/2021
    Victor Avdeenko

    Despite strong protests from Kiev, the scandalous Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which is supposed to supply gas bypassing Ukrainian territory, is likely to be completed and put into operation. Ukraine is trying to get guarantees of compensation for gas transit to Europe, which the Russians want to stop after the commissioning of Nord Stream 2, but the US and Germany cannot give them to us, and Putin's Russia does not want to. Ukraine did not receive specific information on this issue in Washington, where Volodymyr Zelenskyy met with Joe Biden on September 1. "Apostrophe" looked at what can be done to minimize the risks associated with "Putin's gas pipeline", including the threat to the country's energy security in the short and medium term.

    Gas prices in Europe this summer are higher than ever. This is largely facilitated by Russia, which reduces fuel supplies to the EU countries, including via the Ukrainian route.

    The actions of the Russian Federation, in principle, are understandable - thus, its leadership is pushing the European Union to the earliest possible commissioning of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, through which gas will be supplied bypassing transit countries, including Ukraine. Say, the sooner it starts working, the faster the issues with the supply of fuel will be resolved and, accordingly, the prices will fall.

    There was no doubt even earlier that this is pure blackmail, but recent events on the European gas market have dispelled the last of them.

    Thus, on August 18, due to erroneous information that physical gas supplies via Nord Stream 2 had already begun, prices at European hubs instantly collapsed by 10%.

    Quotes quickly bounced back up. But the next day, more correct information appeared - the Russian "Gazprom" announced that supplies through the gas pipeline would begin by the end of 2021.

    And again, prices collapsed, breaking through the $ 500 per thousand cubic meter mark, above which they had been holding for some time.

    Thus, it can be stated with confidence that today the European gas market is entirely dependent on the scandalous Russian gas pipeline. That, in fact, was what the Kremlin was trying to achieve.

    At the same time, after it became clear that there is no gas in Nord Stream-2 (besides, it has not been completed yet, and licensing of its activities will also take some time), prices at hubs increased again - albeit not to the highs recorded in early August.

    Ukraine in the grip of geopolitics

    As you know, Nord Stream 2 is being promoted not only by Russia, but also by Germany. Berlin does not tire of repeating that this is a purely commercial project that has nothing to do with politics (while not only in Ukraine, but also, for example, in Poland, they are convinced of the opposite). This is understandable - the gas pipeline will exclude transit countries from Russian gas supplies (in the case of Germany, it is rather not even Ukraine, but Poland and Belarus), and Germany itself will become one of the largest gas hubs in Europe thanks to the overland extensions of the Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 - OPAL, NEL and EUGAL.

    At the same time, EU directives are in force in Germany, according to which one and the same company cannot simultaneously produce gas and transport it across the EU. In order to preserve fair competition, the transit company, and in the case of Nord Stream 2, this is Gazprom, must provide half of its capacity to other suppliers.

    The Russians are trying with all their might to withdraw Nord Stream 2 from the effect of these directives, but on August 25 the Supreme Land Court of Dusseldorf (Germany) decided that there was no reason for this.

    Such a decision may postpone the date for putting the gas pipeline into operation, but is unlikely to put an end to the project itself.

    In addition, the Kremlin is looking for ways to circumvent European rules for gas supplies. And, it seems, they have already "groped" one of them. Recently it became known about a letter from the head of the state company "Rosneft" Igor Sechin to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, in which "the real Igor Ivanovich" (the "fake" meant Igor Ivanovich Shuvalov, who headed the government apparatus in the 2000s) asks Vladimir Vladimirovich to allow " Rosneft "to export gas to Europe under an agency agreement with Gazprom (Gazprom has a monopoly on the transportation of exported gas, while the export itself can be carried out by different companies -" Apostrophe ").

    In his letter to Putin, Sechin does not say exactly which route Rosneft wants to supply its gas, but notes that these supplies "will help lift restrictions on the part of EU antimonopoly legislation regarding the permissible loading of the Nord Stream 1 and Nord stream-2 ", as well as OPAL" (citing the text of the Russian newspaper Kommersant, which refers to the letter in question).

    If such an agreement is signed between Rosneft and Gazprom, the latter will formally fulfill the EU directive. It is another matter how they will look at it in the controlling bodies of the European Union, given that we are talking about two Russian state energy monopolists.

    In July, the United States and Germany reached an agreement on Nord Stream 2, with the result that Washington decided not to hinder the completion and commissioning of the gas pipeline.

    For the current American President Joe Biden, the deal with German Chancellor Angela Merkel was badly needed, above all in order to revive the friendly relations between the United States and the EU, which his predecessor Donald Trump had badly spoiled, and this is especially important in light of the expected confrontation between America and China. Biden's flirtations with Russia are also connected with this - the current American administration still has a glimmer of hope that Moscow will not go on to further rapprochement with Beijing and will not side with the latter in its confrontation with Washington.

    In this big geopolitical game, Kiev turned out to be a bargaining chip, although the United States and the European Union (in fact, Germany) are trying to save face by promising our country protection from Russia if Moscow "uses energy as a weapon or takes aggressive actions against Ukraine. "(quote from US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland).

    But this is too vague a wording that does not give an idea of ​​how our Western partners intend to protect us.

    Who will give guarantees

    Ukraine, however, needs guarantees of maintaining energy security, in particular, the continuation of gas transit through our territory after 2024, when the current contract with the Russian Federation expires. Our country wants to receive such guarantees from Germany and the USA.

    "I want to understand what Ukraine will receive and what our state can lose after the transit agreement ends in 2024, and who gives specific guarantees to Ukraine," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said during a joint briefing with Angela Merkel on August 22 in Kiev. According to him, "more specific things" on this topic were to be discussed at the talks between the Minister of Energy of Ukraine Herman Galushchenko with the Minister of Economy and Energy of Germany Peter Altmeier and the US Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm, which took place the next day, August 23, on the sidelines of the summit. " Crimean platform ".

    However, where the parties came (and whether they came) is unknown. It is quite possible that so far nothing concrete. At least on August 26, on a television broadcast, Sergei Makogon, General Director of GTS Operator of Ukraine LLC, noted that so far there are no guarantees of continued transit, and negotiations with the United States and Germany continue: “We believe that the most significant guarantee is the renewal or continuation of the existing treaty now, without waiting for 2025, for the next 15 years. "

    But the fact is that only Russia can give such guarantees to Ukraine. And she is not going to do this. After negotiations with Angela Merkel, who was in Moscow on the eve of her visit to Kiev, Vladimir Putin said that transit through Ukraine would be carried out if necessary.

    Ukraine, however, has specific proposals to continue transit through our territory. They were presented by the head of NJSC "Naftogaz of Ukraine" Yuriy Vitrenko.

    "The most realistic guarantee of maintaining transit through Ukraine is:

    - relocation of gas transmission points in existing Gazprom contracts, according to which gas is now supplied to Europe through Ukraine, to the Russian-Ukrainian border, so that European companies themselves order gas transit through Ukraine until 2035;

    - creation on the electronic platform of Gazprom Export (a subsidiary of Gazprom that exports gas) a point for the supply of additional gas volumes at the border of the Russian Federation-Ukraine; again, so that European buyers of this gas can themselves order gas transit through Ukraine;

    - unblocking access to the Ukrainian gas transportation system from the Russian Federation for other gas exporters to Europe, in particular from Central Asia, "Vitrenko wrote on Facebook.

    At the same time, according to him, this is not a whim of Ukraine, but the fulfillment of the European rules of the gas market: "If Russia does not want to play by European rules, then Nord Stream 2 should never work."

    True, we do not yet know Russia's position on this matter, as well as the opinion of our European, in particular, German partners.

    The fate of the Ukrainian route

    At the same time, hysteria has recently been unleashed in the Russian media about the allegedly insufficient gas reserves in Ukrainian underground storage facilities. The current volumes are compared with last year, and they are indeed more modest. Recall that by the beginning of the 2020-2021 heating season, the Ukrainian underground storage facilities had more than 28 billion cubic meters of fuel, which became a record for the last ten years. The coronavirus has played a role in this, having collapsed the demand for gas in Europe and, as a result, prices for it.

    Not surprisingly, stocks are one third lower this summer than they were a year ago. As of early August, the storage facilities contained over 17 billion cubic meters of gas, which is in line with the government's plan. At the same time, NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine plans to pump about 3 billion cubic meters of gas into the UGS before the start of the heating season. And this volume, in theory, should be enough for our country for the normal passage of the autumn-winter period.

    As for the alarmism of the propaganda media in Russia, here, in principle, everything is clear: having declared about the shortage of fuel in Ukrainian storage facilities, it is easy to return to the beloved mantra that "Ukraine is tying gas", and from it it is even easier to lead to the idea of ​​what exactly our country will do this when in winter we will not have our own fuel, and therefore transit through the Ukrainian territory will become risky.

    However, transit through our country will continue in the next three years, at least Gazprom is obliged to pay for the transportation of at least 40 billion cubic meters of gas per year (from the beginning of 2021 to the end of 2024), regardless of the actual volume of pumping. So, for example, it was in 2020, when the Russian monopoly transported only 55.8 billion cubic meters of gas through our country instead of the 65 billion cubic meters established by the contract, while still paying for the contract volumes.

    But what will happen after that is complete uncertainty.

    "In fact, the demand for natural gas in Europe will determine the degree of demand for the Ukrainian route. Therefore, it is possible that from 2025 Russia will not have a critical need to use our gas transportation route," programs of the Ukrainian Institute of the Future Andrian Prokip.

    At the same time, according to him, much will depend on the factor of competition between various transit routes.

    "The Ukrainian route can compete if there is gas transmission at the eastern border of Ukraine (now the transfer point is the western border, and the head of Naftogaz, Yuriy Vitrenko, Apostrophe also speaks about this), because then, for example, Slovakia and Italy will be able to choose a more profitable route, and for them it is through Ukraine, and thus create a demand for our route, - the expert explained. - Therefore, there is a high probability that transit will continue. What will be its volumes, and whether they will satisfy Ukraine, is a difficult question ".

    Ukraine's energy security is under threat

    However, not only state revenues, but also, in fact, fuel supplies to our country depend on the volumes of transit along our route. After all, it is no secret that a significant part of gas imports to Ukraine is carried out according to the so-called "virtual reverse" (Russian gas purchased by European traders does not cross the western border of Ukraine), and therefore, if the Russian Federation stops transporting fuel through our territory, or significantly reduces volumes transit, the country may face a gas shortage.

    But the authorities do not voice any specific ways of solving this problem.

    “Officially, no one says anything, officials unofficially say that everything is OK, but many specialists have questions, is everything really OK?” Andrian Prokip noted.

    According to the expert, in principle, Ukraine could resume the purchase of gas from Russia, which was stopped in November 2015 (especially since the decision of the Stockholm Arbitration, theoretically, opens such an opportunity for Kiev), "but only if then the twisting of hands does not begin and blackmail. "

    And this, given past experience, is hard to believe.

    The problem could be solved by a significant increase in domestic gas production. Moreover, in 2016, at the government level, ambitious plans for increasing production were approved, according to which in 2020 we had to reach the figure of 27.6 billion cubic meters while reducing consumption to the same level through the introduction of energy efficiency programs. But, unfortunately, nothing came of this idea: last year gas production did not even reach 20 billion cubic meters (19.74 billion cubic meters), and fuel consumption in 2020 amounted to 29.84 billion cubic meters.

    Last March, Prime Minister Denis Shmygal outlined a new deadline for the country's access to full gas supply from its own production - 2025 (the head of government did not name the actual production volume). This term is quite understandable - it is in 2025 that the transit contract with the Russian Federation will end, and there will be a threat of a fuel shortage in the country, as mentioned above. But there are no additional prerequisites for increasing production now - compared to 2016 - and therefore one should not seriously count on progress in this matter.

    It would also be possible to count on a reduction in gas consumption in the country due to energy conservation (which, judging by the above figures, did not happen), however, not everything is so simple here either.

    "The role of energy conservation is very important if it does not lead to a decrease in the level of well-being of Ukrainian citizens," said Gennady Ryabtsev, head of special projects at the Psyche scientific and technical center, in a commentary. now they impose a huge number of tasks that turn Ukraine into something medieval. "

    What then needs to be done to minimize the risks described above?

    To begin with, we should, as they say, "rethink" the domestic gas transportation system (GTS), says Andrian Prokip. He recalled that the Ukrainian "pipe" is designed for significantly larger volumes of fuel transportation than the current ones (the GTS is used not only for transit, but also for delivering gas to domestic consumers - "Apostrophe").

    "The system needs to be rethought and rebuilt. It can be rebuilt to meet new needs, for example, gas-hydrogen mixtures. But it is clear that it will cost a lot of money. Therefore, the main question is how much it will cost and who will pay for it," he said ...

    Recently, much has been said about the possibilities of using our GTS for transporting "green" hydrogen to Europe, which, in theory, will be produced in Ukraine, but this is, nevertheless, a rather distant prospect. In addition, it is still not clear for what means to modernize the "pipe" for these purposes - Ukraine does not have that kind of money, and whether the EU is ready to invest in such a project is unknown.

    Time for action, not talking

    "Green" hydrogen certainly has great prospects, and Ukraine should participate in projects for its production and transportation. But it is no less important now to take measures to minimize the threats associated with Nord Stream 2. And such measures should be taken not by the United States and Germany, but by the government of Ukraine.

    "This does not depend on external factors, and, unfortunately, our elites cannot understand (or pretend not to understand) this," said Gennady Ryabtsev.

    He recalled that an energy security strategy has been developed in Ukraine, which defines strategic goals and objectives: "These tasks need to be simply implemented - they are quite realistic from the point of view of a resource. It is time to move from a constant revision of existing program documents to their careful implementation."

    According to Ryabtsev, the first thing to do is to determine how much gas our country needs now and how much it will need in the coming years. After that, you need to understand what kind of internal resources the country has - how much we can increase production, and really provide ourselves with fuel for our own production, and how much time and money will be required for this.

    “If it turns out that we do not have enough internal resources to provide ourselves with gas, we need to determine where we can get the missing gas from - who can be a supplier, and whether these suppliers have gas for the future. prevent the increase in production and imports, that is, to determine the list of threats that need to be neutralized. Actually, this is enough to start acting, "summed up Gennady Ryabtsev.

    What a truly monstrous mix of entitlement and self-persuasion to the point of delusion. I literally laughed out loud several times while reading the article.

    Whatever possessed them to ever come to the conclusion, that they are so important, so critical, that all their 'partners' should go out of their way to subsidize them, cut deals with Russia on their behalf and to their benefit, 'guarantees', 'compensation'.. 'compensation' for what exactly?
    If Europe and the US should compensate the Ukraine for anything, then it's for overthrowing their legal government and installing this band of losers in the first place. But truth be told this mentality did not start with Maidan, it's been there since 1991, and actually was evident even in the later half of the Soviet Union. And it was the same now-oligarchial class, and their ready army of nationalist and Soros-brainwashed zombies among the general population - that enabled Maidan to succeed in the first place.

    And I won't even delve into their demands of Russia, and their consistent failure to understand that they are simply not needed by their eastern neighbour anymore. I don't know what they'll live off after 2024 when the gas transit contracts runs out, and how they will be able to afford gas themselves for their own needs - but either way that's not our problem.

    "Welfare bums" is surely the right term indeed to describe the whole Ukrainian elite, their sell-out journalist class, anyone who takes a paycheck from this gang of dimwits

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Sep 13, 2021 8:46 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    What a truly monstrous mix of entitlement and self-persuasion to the point of delusion. I literally laughed out loud several times while reading the article.

    Whatever possessed them to ever come to the conclusion, that they are so important, so critical, that all their 'partners' should go out of their way to subsidize them, cut deals with Russia on their behalf and to their benefit, 'guarantees', 'compensation'.. 'compensation' for what exactly?
    If Europe and the US should compensate the Ukraine for anything, then it's for overthrowing their legal government and installing this band of losers in the first place. But truth be told this mentality did not start with Maidan, it's been there since 1991, and actually was evident even in the later half of the Soviet Union. And it was the same now-oligarchial class, and their ready army of nationalist and Soros-brainwashed zombies among the general population - that enabled Maidan to succeed in the first place.

    And I won't even delve into their demands of Russia, and their consistent failure to understand that they are simply not needed by their eastern neighbour anymore. I don't know what they'll live off after 2024 when the gas transit contracts runs out, and how they will be able to afford gas themselves for their own needs - but either way that's not our problem.

    "Welfare bums" is surely the right term indeed to describe the whole Ukrainian elite, their sell-out journalist class, anyone who takes a paycheck from this gang of dimwits

    This kind of logic is nothing new here.
    Remind you, that we talk about the country that used to be subsidized by Russia for its entire post-'91 existence. We talk hundreds of bln $ subsidies here, and I mean it.
    They all share this logic, that if they can't afford something, it should be given to them.
    Not the people of Ukraine. They vote with their own legs, that is why 20 mln already left, a way or another. But the "elites".
    I still remember Naftogaz CEO admitted openly, that they will steal as much gas from the system, as they need.
    This is a logic presented, and this is a logic Russians dealed with for last 3 decades.
    Something unbelievable.
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