Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #4

PapaDragon wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:That negates the sole reason S7 would have been interested in acquiring the launch platform in the first place though. To launch things into space.

Not really.  They would be able to provide launch services to international customers, just not US interests.

Now with new sanctions, after 2023 they won't be able to launch any bird with US tech, so the question now becomes moot.

Which is something Roskosmos should have informed them about had they acted in good faith

But objective is for them to stifle what they perceive as competition even though they are not a private enterprise but a national agency

Roskosmos needs thorough criminal investigation and a purge and it's long overdue, they are completely ignoring their job description in order to make money on the side and fluff Rogozin's ego  

Thanks for the input PapaVann... dunno where we would be without it...

Big_Gazza wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:That negates the sole reason S7 would have been interested in acquiring the launch platform in the first place though. To launch things into space.

Not really.  They would be able to provide launch services to international customers, just not US interests.

Now with new sanctions, after 2023 they won't be able to launch any bird with US tech, so the question now becomes moot.

Which is something Roskosmos should have informed them about had they acted in good faith

But objective is for them to stifle what they perceive as competition even though they are not a private enterprise but a national agency

Roskosmos needs thorough criminal investigation and a purge and it's long overdue, they are completely ignoring their job description in order to make money on the side and fluff Rogozin's ego  

Thanks for the input PapaVann... dunno where we would be without it...

Anytime, you seem to need it desperately

Just be careful with that Rogozin jizz, doctors say that excess vitamin B can case some health issues

If you really can't let go of it then at least consume in moderation

It seems things are going to get interesting:

https://www.rt.com/russia/526312-nasa-partnership-relations-space/

NASA urges Russia to maintain co-operation in space despite dismal relations with US, as Moscow moots pulling out of partnership

The head of America’s space agency, Bill Nelson, has lauded the benefits of his country’s historic partnership with Russia, which has allowed generations of astronauts and cosmonauts to step beyond the Earth’s atmosphere together.

The official paid tribute to the long-standing arrangement in an interview published by Politico on Thursday, days after his Russian counterpart, Roscosmos chief Dmitry Rogozin, said that collaboration could come to an end if Washington didn’t lift the sanctions on its space program.

“Our politics have become very strained,” Nelson acknowledged, “but here is the one area that we have been able to cooperate. It’s been [like that] ever since 1975, when an American spacecraft in the middle of the Cold War rendezvoused and docked with a Russian spacecraft, and the crews lived together for nine days. Ever since, we have been cooperating. We have extraordinary cooperation.”

He added that he had personally told Rogozin that “this is unique – the kind of relationship where we can be at peace cooperating with each other, no matter what our rivalries are on terra firma.” Nelson also argued that Russia was unlikely to pull out of the International Space Station (ISS) anytime soon, and, indeed, was working on new technology to support missions there.

Responding in a statement later that day, Rogozin said, “We are not against co-operation.” However, he added, “The only way to get there is to lift sanctions against Roscosmos enterprises.”

In December, Moscow’s space chief hit out at “stupid” and “illegal” punitive measures imposed by Washington against its organizations, which, he said, “jeopardize the further implementation of the International Space Station program.” Rogozin noted that the Central Research Institute of Machine Building – one of the sanctioned companies – actually includes the ISS mission control center.

I don't understand how you can claim value in cooperation in space when one side is doing everything it can to make things harder for the other side... that is not cooperation.... that is sabotage.

That is running a foot race with a person pretending to be your friend with them trying to kick your legs out from under you...

lancelot wrote:Russia needs to operate its own station. And sending the science module to the ISS instead of using it on their own station at this juncture is a big mistake.

It will take quite a few years before they start their own station again. They say 2025 they will have a plan. So in other words, they will have to upkeep with iss for a few more years.

PapaDragon wrote:Anytime, you seem to need it desperately

Just be careful with that Rogozin jizz, doctors say that excess vitamin B can case some health issues

If you really can't let go of it then at least consume in moderation

dafuq?

Injecting degenerate faggotry into your hyperbole isn't going to win the argument. Projecting much?

Big_Gazza wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Anytime, you seem to need it desperately

Just be careful with that Rogozin jizz, doctors say that excess vitamin B can case some health issues

If you really can't let go of it then at least consume in moderation

dafuq?

Injecting degenerate faggotry into your hyperbole isn't going to win the argument. Projecting much?

Simply observing

wow..  someone had ponied up USD 28M ( ) for a seat on Blue Origins suborbital vehicle to accompany Jeff Bezos and his brother on its inaugural manned flight.

For that cash you could fly a Soyuz or Dragon and stay on ISS for a week.  I guess that some people will do anything to rub shoulders with the (uber-)rich and famous...

Suborbital flight with New Shepard sold for $ 28 million

source

(Edit: not strictly Russian News or with a Russian angle, so can Mods pls move to Commercial Space news?)

Piccie of the prototype antenna deploymemt system for the millmetron/Spektr-M infra-red observatory being developed by ISS Resetnev.



For those not familiar with the mission, it will be a 10 m (33 ft) sub-millimeter to far infra red space telescope. The instruments are to be cooled with liquid helium to 4.5K, but after the coolant finally evaporates, the sun shields will allow it to continue in a degraded mode.  Like the Spektr-RG X-ray observatory, Spectkr-M will be placed in a halo orbit around the Sun–Earth L2 Lagrangian point.



Some pics of the earlier development of the deployment system from 2015, sun shade and support frames.

In 2018-2020, the production of electronic components for use in spacecraft increased 2.5 times in Russia. Our country continues to implement a program to create its own radiation-resistant microelectronics — Roscosmos announced on June 10, 2021.

One of the most important programs of the Russian space industry, where in the coming years there will be a completely domestic "filling" for satellites, is the global navigation system GLONASS. The first GLONASS satellite with a 100% Russian electronic component base is scheduled to appear in 2025.

Russian_Patriot_ wrote:The first GLONASS satellite with a 100% Russian electronic component base is scheduled to appear in 2025.

Thats an incredible achievement.  The first of the Glonass K prototypes in 2011 had upwards of 90% imported electronic components.
Very few nations can manufacture space-certified electronics certified for use in vacuum, and this is another great example of how sanctions are a double edged sword.  Without sanctions to drive the development effort (and justify the considerable costs) Russia wouldn't be so far advanced in developing these capabilities (and Western nations wouldn't have permanently lost a ready market for their products).

The Monkey Empire fails again

Big_Gazza wrote:

Russian_Patriot_ wrote:The first GLONASS satellite with a 100% Russian electronic component base is scheduled to appear in 2025.

Thats an incredible achievement.  The first of the Glonass K prototypes in 2011 had upwards of 90% imported electronic components.
Very few nations can manufacture space-certified electronics certified for use in vacuum, and this is another great example of how sanctions are a double edged sword.  Without sanctions to drive the development effort (and justify the considerable costs) Russia wouldn't be so far advanced in developing these capabilities (and Western nations wouldn't have permanently lost a ready market for their products).

The Monkey Empire fails again      

Western propaganda about Russian inferiority undermines the west itself. The scientific and technological depth of Russia is no worse than the collective west.
It also has a technology development process not infested with profiteering opportunists. Inherited from the USSR, the research institute-developer format is
superior to the venture capital garage bootstrap nonsense in the USA. Elon Musk types are not real drivers of technological development. Hordes of such
snake oil salesmen dilute any technology development effort since money is not infinite, even in the USA, and there is no guarantee that the money will flow
to the developers that can deliver. In the past, when the US had a better education system and higher grade decision making, the waste was not so bad.
But now it is severe. If you look at US hypersonic missile development, there is evidence that the competence level is low even though it was high in the
past. There is no one-stop shop for any high level technology so even if a name brand general contractor takes on the task, it will still have to look for
subcontractors. And at every stage the prime motive is profit gouging.

Big_Gazza wrote:wow..  someone had ponied up USD 28M ( ) for a seat on Blue Origins suborbital vehicle to accompany Jeff Bezos and his brother on its inaugural manned flight....

It's all part of his plan to kill Superman

Roscosmos is negotiating the possibility of using Kourou for manned launches. 


Roscosmos is negotiating the possible future use of the Kourou cosmodrome for manned launches. This was announced by the Director General of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin at the press conference of the Global Conference on Space Exploration GLEX-2021.

"We are discussing with our French colleagues the possibility of transforming the Soyuz-2 launch complex, which is located in Guiana, within the framework of a large lunar project, so that it can be used for manned programs. Including for launching ships in the direction of the Chinese station, " Rogozin said.

According to him, Roscosmos is negotiating with its Chinese colleagues about the possibility of Russian cosmonauts flying to the Chinese Space station. "We are discussing this with our Chinese colleagues, and this will be one of the elements of joint work within the framework of the creation of an international scientific lunar station. Such an option is being considered, and there is nothing surprising here, " Rogozin added.

Source: https://tass.ru/kosmos/11657197

Unfortunately, the France of Macron is a compromised US lickspittle and not the France of de Gaulle. If the chimps in Washington need
to hurl some shit at Russia, then they will use Kourou or anything else they can reach.

Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Roscosmos is negotiating the possibility of using Kourou for manned launches. ....

This would be nice option to have and it would give French possibility of getting their own manned space flight option on the quick

You need to keep keep your fingers in all pies, this is why Russia should just build that docking module for NASA lunar program and mail it to Cape

Small investment with chunky payoff

Russian orbital station, Russian/Chinese lunar programme, NASA lunar station, access to Chinese space station, Russia/EU Mars rovers, whatever else comes up just do them all

Everyone wants to hang out with Russia up there, no need to play coy on this

Everyone wants to hang out with Russia up there, no need to play coy on this

Yeah, but one of them is telling all the others that Russia puts out on the first date, so let them work out how to make their own docking module...

That guy is not looking for a partner or an equal... just a bitch to use and discard.

GarryB wrote:

Everyone wants to hang out with Russia up there, no need to play coy on this

Yeah, but one of them is telling all the others that Russia puts out on the first date, so let them work out how to make their own docking module...

That guy is not looking for a partner or an equal... just a bitch to use and discard.

Who cares, if they're willing to fund it. And even if it's a joint-project, it's still worth it. Russia hasn't been up to anything of note in space for decades.

The more projects the better. It's experience. It's achievement. It's the improvement and iteration of domestic Russian technology

Therefore China, NASA, South Korea, the EU, India - Russia should launch as many projects with as many partners as possible.

According to the presentation, the first investigative stage will last from 2021 to 2025. China plans to send three missions within this period: Chang'e 4, Chang'e 6 and Chang'e 7. Russia plans to launch an automatic station "Luna 25," lunar polar orbiter "Luna 26" and lunar lander "Luna 27".

Several countries have expressed interest in the Russian Gonets (Messenger) communication system. 

Three countries have shown interest in the Russian Gonets satellite system, including placing receiving and transmitting stations on their territory. This was announced by Pavel Cherenkov, General Director of the Gonets Satellite System company, at the Global Conference on Space Exploration GLEX-2021.

"China, Romania and one of the South American countries showed interest in the Gonets satellite system during GLEX-2021. They are interested not only in services, but also in technical capabilities, including the installation of receiving and transmitting stations on their territory" he said.

According to the CEO of the company, they and other participants of the conference also discussed issues of frequency regulation.

Source: https://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/news/80453/

Spektr-RG completed the third survey of the entire sky. 

On June 16, 2021, the Russian X-ray space observatory "Spektr-RG" completed the third survey of the entire sky and moved on to the fourth.

"Every day, the observatory sends 500-700 MB of telemetric information to Earth, which, when further processed, turns into terabytes of the most valuable scientific information," explains Alexander Lutovinov, Deputy Director of the ICI RAS and scientific director of the Pavlinsky ART-XC telescope. — "This is a huge amount of data, researchers in Russia and Germany are already actively working with them. Based on the results of each survey, maps of the entire sky are compiled, which are then compiled or analyzed to search for astrophysical objects and study their variability. But this is, in fact, only the beginning of the path. The more we "look", the more detailed our maps are, and at the end of the "survey" stage of the mission, we hope to get the most detailed data about what is happening in the X-ray Universe."

The Russian space observatory "Spektr-RG" was launched into space on July 13, 2019 and in December of the same year began to perform the first task of its mission — to conduct a survey of the entire sky in the X-ray range of electromagnetic radiation with record sensitivity. Located at the Lagrange point, which is 1.5 million km away from Earth, the observatory rotates on its axis in such a way that it conducts a complete survey of the entire celestial sphere in half a year. A total of 8 surveys are planned during the mission, which will form the most detailed X-ray map of the sky to date.

Two X-ray mirror telescopes are installed on board the observatory: the German eROSITA and the Russian ART-XC named after M. N. Pavlinsky. They work in different energy ranges, so their maps will complement each other as a result of their work.

After conducting a survey of the entire sky, which is designed for 4 years, the observatory will conduct observations in the mode of triaxial stabilization of the selected sources and areas of the celestial sphere. This stage will last 2.5 years. 

Source: https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/141970/

Much more important for science then Hubble.

I hope they process the data honestly and don't conform to the BS consensus like witg the CMB radiation maps put out in the west. It is
physically impossible to subtract the galactic foreground to get some unknown background without an actual reference measurement.
All the CMB images you see may as well be photoshop art. I know that X-rays are not about the CMB which is 4K emissions, I am
referring to scientific honesty.