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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:39 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:I understand it takes time in this field. But I also understand roscosmos is working on its own accord on these microelectronics. What I don't get is why not get Elvees, mcst, Komdiv or what not develop them? Elvees and Mikron both make spaced based semiconductors already.

    Clearly there is substantial and rapid development work. And how do you know which companies are involved? If you have
    some information on this then please post a link. There is no indication that anyone is sleeping at the wheel in critical tech
    sectors for Russia.

    We spend too much time engaged in impatient speculation on this board. A few actual article links from credible sources
    is worth vastly more than our idle chatter.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:44 pm

    I posted a link a while ago on this section how Roscosmos has had started its own semiconductor branch and has already started making electronics.  But for the processors themselves, they may indeed contract it out to another company within the country.  It is pure speculation.

    The link was to prove roscosmos was doing more under Rogozin to the rabid anti Rogozin group here

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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:21 pm

    https://ria.ru/20210607/rogozin-1735972586.html

    MOSCOW, June 7 - RIA Novosti. The United States agreed to transfer Russian space rocket complex "Sea Launch" under the condition that it will not compete with the US company SpaceX Elon Musk , said General Director of " Roscosmos " Dmitry Rogozin .

    "Specific strict restrictions were introduced when signing this contract for the transfer of two Sea Launch vessels to a Russian company ( S7 - ed.) - an obligation that we do not have the right to use this Sea Launch in competition with Elon Musk," he said during parliamentary hearings in the State Duma .

    "Okay? That is, the US government, government lawyers act as a client of, in fact, a private company (SpaceX - ed.). Or maybe it is not a private company in this case, if with the help of state sanctions we are limited to compete with SpaceX?" "- added Rogozin.

    Moreover, he noted, before the transfer, the Americans "pulled out and cut out all the equipment on these ships," so tens of billions of rubles would be needed to restore them.

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:00 pm


    So how the hell is that supposed to work?

    What qualifies as competition to SpaceX?

    They are not allowed to launch Dragon capsule? Suspect

    Because they will definitely be launching things into space

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:58 am


    Speaking of which, fresh photo

    This would be in Vladivostok?

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    Post  owais.usmani Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:36 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    So how the hell is that supposed to work?

    What qualifies as competition to SpaceX?

    They are not allowed to launch Dragon capsule? Suspect

    Because they will definitely be launching things into space

    Unless we see the actual agreement document, my suspicion is that Rogozin is making this up. This would be an absolutely ridiculous clause to add in a contract. Sea Launch was partially owned by Boeing, why would they care about SpaceX? And how on earth would US ensure that Russia does not compete with SpaceX through these platforms once getting them?

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:26 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    So how the hell is that supposed to work?

    What qualifies as competition to SpaceX?

    They are not allowed to launch Dragon capsule? Suspect

    Because they will definitely be launching things into space

    Unless we see the actual agreement document, my suspicion is that Rogozin is making this up. This would be an absolutely ridiculous clause to add in a contract. Sea Launch was partially owned by Boeing, why would they care about SpaceX? And how on earth would US ensure that Russia does not compete with SpaceX through these platforms once getting them?

    Actually, I suspect that Rogozin is telling a truth here. The US gov (not Boeing) wants to exclude Russian operators from the global launch market, and the US gov had to agree to allow the "transfer" of technology to Russia (despite the obvious fact that a Russian company was the majority owner). Without the USgov sign-off, S7 would be blocked. I don't put it past Russophobe retards in State from inserting conditions into the sale contract that S7 had to agree not to use the system to offer launch services to US customers.

    S7 wouldn't go public on such a deal as they hardly need a spiteful USgov looking to give them the Huawei treatment.

    Never underestimate the spite and mendacity that the Uh'muikkkan Imperium is capable of. These evil *unts willingly starved Iraqis to death in the 90s, and are trying the same in both Iran and Venezuela. Does anyone really think that they aren't willing to indulge in extortion and intimidation in support of their pet corporations like Musks publically-funded personal-enrichment schemes? Suspect

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    Post  kvs Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:17 pm

    Russia can bypass this yanqui diarrhea by buying the platform from S7 and then down the road after it is made operational perhaps privatizing
    it again. If needed.

    American exceptional hater retards don't get to apply their BS laws outside US territory. They get away with doing this with weak targets
    within the might makes right regime. Russia is not some pushover to obey such BS stipulations.

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:01 pm

    kvs wrote:Russia can bypass this yanqui diarrhea by buying the platform from S7 and then down the road after it is made operational perhaps privatizing
    it again.   If needed.

    American exceptional hater retards don't get to apply their BS laws outside US territory.   They get away with doing this with weak targets
    within the might makes right regime.   Russia is not some pushover to obey such BS stipulations.


    Russian leadership was a massive pushover. Still is to some regards.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:37 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:...Unless we see the actual agreement document, my suspicion is that Rogozin is making this up. This would be an absolutely ridiculous clause to add in a contract. Sea Launch was partially owned by Boeing, why would they care about SpaceX? And how on earth would US ensure that Russia does not compete with SpaceX through these platforms once getting them?

    Agreed, this looks like another instance of Rogozin being a retard

    Mostl likely there is another fuckup by Roskosmos that is about to hit the news so he is trying to deflect attention to cover his ass again



    Big_Gazza wrote:Actually, I suspect that Rogozin is telling a truth here. The US gov (not Boeing) wants to exclude Russian operators from the global launch market ....
    ...I don't put it past Russophobe retards in State from inserting conditions into the sale contract that S7 had to agree not to use the system to offer launch services to US customers....

    Russian operators will never get any contract for US customers because that market segment was never meant to be available to them to begin with

    Roskosmos was thrown some launch contracts back in the old days as a pittance and attaboy back when that segment of economy was a waste of time and money but the moment it became financially viable Russia was out and that market segment was returned to it's intended owner

    Only morons would actually think that Russia had any chances of ever getting hired by a US customer for space launch contract with competition from USA in the equation


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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:45 am

    PapaDragon wrote:Russian operators will never get any contract for US customers because that market segment was never meant to be available to them to begin with

    Roskosmos was thrown some launch contracts back in the old days as a pittance and attaboy back when that segment of economy was a waste of time and money but the moment it became financially viable Russia was out and that market segment was returned to it's intended owner

    Only morons would actually think that Russia had any chances of ever getting hired by a US customer for space launch contract with competition from USA in the equation


    Agree 100%, but Uh'murikkkan elites have a terminal case of arrogance and just can't resist indulging in their ego-boosting scullduggeries. The transfer to S7 predates the recent announcement of a moratorium on Russian launch services, and the apparatchiks in State were still rolling out the old plan of general all-aspect harassement of Russian interests (until sharper weapons could be forged). Just because the unpublicised caveats of transfer (if true) are now redundant due to new sanctions doesn't mean they didn't happen.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:24 am

    Going back to an old post #986 regarding the Muskian flying silos:

    BigGazza wrote:Then we can talk about the other monumental hurdles posed by Musks nonsense design. It could well serve as a rapid-reaction sub-orbital transport for USMC expeditionary forces, but it won't cut the mustard as an interplanetary transport

    Interstingly, the US military has now come out of the closet and is openly talking about such capabilities...

    New military program to study using huge rockets for global cargo delivery

    source

    Of course, the militarists are only talking about "cargo" at this stage, and in true Murican forked-tongue fashion they are trying on the old bullshit about being motivated by "humanitarian" concerns... check out this great steaming pile of liberal-bait...

    “We see its initial applications in swiftly restoring operational capability for forces forward in austere environments as well as dramatically reducing the time required to deliver crucial humanitarian assistance and disaster relief,”


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    Awww... look at that...  the wonderful caring folks at the Pentagram are sending emergency supplies to the poor people of Gaza....  /sniff  doesn't it make you feel all warm inside?  

    Suspect

    FFS lets be serious here.  The US military wants a sub-orbital troop transporter that can land special forces and heavy equipment anywhere on the rock with a few hours.  Musk wants to be the Pentagrams contractor-of-choice for military space vehicles and his "StarShip" is nothing but a tech-demonstrator to attract their patronage and to get that public-money-teat firmly lodged between his lips.

    The nonsense about shuttling colonists to the Moon and Mars is just a BS cover story,.  The ignorant Muskian fan-bois all shoot up on this stuff like addicts craving their next hit, and the corrupt stenographers of the corporate-owned MSM pump out support for the fake narrative as it nicely dove-tails into their primary task of advancing and maintaining Murican "Exceptionalism" and "Leadership".

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:32 am

    The imbeciles clearly lack imagination. They are trying to compensate for their pathetically slow deployment ability (compare recent Russian
    build up of forces a few hundred kilometers from the holy Ukr border to how long it takes NATzO to shuffle over some junk to the Baltics)
    with ridiculous boutique suborbital grain silo transport. The figure shown above is beyond retarded. No freaking silo that the US can build
    in the coming decades will have the capacity to ship over half a dozen or more trucks. At best it is some SEAL team that it can lob at
    a target. One has to ask the question: can a SF outfit have so much impact? Sounds like the usual one-man-army masturbation.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:59 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:...Agree 100%, but Uh'murikkkan elites have a terminal case of arrogance and just can't resist indulging in their ego-boosting scullduggeries. The transfer to S7 predates the recent announcement of a moratorium on Russian launch services, and the apparatchiks in State were still rolling out the old plan of general all-aspect harassement of Russian interests (until sharper weapons could be forged). Just because the unpublicised caveats of transfer (if true) are now redundant due to new sanctions doesn't mean they didn't happen.

    S7 is private company and where they get their contracts is their business

    Roskosmos is national space agency and their purpose is to facilitate their nation's access to space, not to waste time and money on bullshit like commercial crap and space tourism

    Someone should send them the memo already since they seem to be too stupid to put 2 and 2 together



    Big_Gazza wrote:Interstingly, the US military has now come out of the closet and is openly talking about such capabilities...

    New military program to study using huge rockets for global cargo delivery...

    Massive heat radiating object full of hostiles descending from orbit while nicely slowing down?

    I am sure every single AA system will definitely ignore something as low profile as that...

    Also, are those Kamaz trucks in that pretty picture?


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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:25 am

    Specialists of the Gagarin Cosmonaut Training Center have developed a dynamic stand-simulator of a vehicle for moving on the surface of the Moon, which simulates the main parameters of lunar rovers, such as the type of propulsion, controls, information display system and motion sensors.

    Source: personal page of cosmonaut Oleg Artemyev in the VKontakte social network


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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:46 am

    ^ Or a free https://electrum.org wallet. Suspect It looks like they are only trying to convince boomers

    The best way to start any invasion is to throw the still burning corpses of Marines and their burning equipment at the target area all round the drop zone...

    Musk is overqualified for that job...

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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:20 pm

    The simulator seems like a rather limited construction. It can't reproduce the 1/6 gravity conditions, including the reduced contact friction
    of any such rover.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:45 pm

    Private Russian microsatellite to test the version of the US landing on the moon, June 9, 2021.

    Russia has prepared a project for a private microsatellite designed to capture the traces of American astronauts on the moon, Soviet landing stations and lunar rovers.

    The development of the project began in 2015, about 1.5 million rubles were collected for it on the Web using crowdfunding, RIA Novosti reports.

    The developers noted that while the preliminary design of the satellite is completed, its appearance was presented in 2019 at the Museum of Cosmonautics.

    “Now the traces of the first researchers are of historical interest:“ Luna-9 ”has not been found - the Soviet vehicle was the first to make a soft landing on the Moon. It is interesting to look at our "Lunokhod" and, of course, the footprints of the astronauts. I am confident that such a launch will attract the attention of the whole world, so we hope to find support from those who care about such attention. We want to offer patrons and sponsors a new opportunity - to make a contribution to space exploration, ”said the initiator of the project, Vitaly Egorov.

    The microsatellite weighs less than 100 kg; it is planned to launch it along the way on one of the Russian rockets. They expect to put a camera with a telescope on it, this will help to see the details of the lunar surface up to 25 cm in size from a height of 50 km.

    Also, the satellite will have to conduct reconnaissance of past, present and future sites for landing on a natural satellite of the Earth, including under foreign programs.

    The device will be able to map the most interesting parts of the moon for scientists with high detail.

    The total cost of development, production and flight tests, according to the authors, will be about 750 million rubles, excluding the launch cost. The developers want to interest private sponsors, institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences and Roskosmos to attract funding.

    “Sponsors, for example, will be able to name the apparatus to perpetuate their contribution to the program. It is planned to place advertising logos on the surface of the device and deliver a symbolic cargo to the Moon: messages from earthlings, pennants and samples of products of sponsoring companies. From the lunar orbit, it is possible to broadcast musical compositions and conduct shooting in the interests of television companies, ”the authors of the project indicated.

    They created a company to implement the project, it is called Orbital Express.

    Earlier, the first private Russian company "CosmoKurs" was closed , which planned to create a reusable suborbital complex for space tourism and build a cosmodrome in the Nizhny Novgorod region.

    Text: Alexey Degtyarev

    https://m.vz.ru/news/2021/6/9/1103411.html

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:53 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    So how the hell is that supposed to work?

    What qualifies as competition to SpaceX?

    They are not allowed to launch Dragon capsule? Suspect

    Because they will definitely be launching things into space

    Unless we see the actual agreement document, my suspicion is that Rogozin is making this up. This would be an absolutely ridiculous clause to add in a contract. Sea Launch was partially owned by Boeing, why would they care about SpaceX? And how on earth would US ensure that Russia does not compete with SpaceX through these platforms once getting them?

    Actually, I suspect that Rogozin is telling a truth here.  The US gov (not Boeing) wants to exclude Russian operators from the global launch market, and the US gov had to agree to allow the "transfer" of technology to Russia (despite the obvious fact that a Russian company was the majority owner).  Without the USgov sign-off, S7 would be blocked. I don't put it past Russophobe retards in State from inserting conditions into the sale contract that S7 had to agree not to use the system to offer launch services to US customers.

    S7 wouldn't go public on such a deal as they hardly need a spiteful USgov looking to give them the Huawei treatment.

    Never underestimate the spite and mendacity that the Uh'muikkkan Imperium is capable of.  These evil *unts willingly starved Iraqis to death in the 90s, and are trying the same in both Iran and Venezuela.  Does anyone really think that they aren't willing to indulge in extortion and intimidation in support of their pet corporations like Musks publically-funded personal-enrichment schemes? Suspect

    That negates the sole reason S7 would have been interested in acquiring the launch platform in the first place though. To launch things into space.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:35 pm

    flamming_python wrote:That negates the sole reason S7 would have been interested in acquiring the launch platform in the first place though. To launch things into space.

    Not really. They would be able to provide launch services to international customers, just not US interests.

    Now with new sanctions, after 2023 they won't be able to launch any bird with US tech, so the question now becomes moot.
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    Post  thegopnik Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:27 pm

    https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/france-may-join-russia-and-china-effort-build-luna/
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:04 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:That negates the sole reason S7 would have been interested in acquiring the launch platform in the first place though. To launch things into space.

    Not really.  They would be able to provide launch services to international customers, just not US interests.

    Now with new sanctions, after 2023 they won't be able to launch any bird with US tech, so the question now becomes moot.

    Which is something Roskosmos should have informed them about had they acted in good faith

    But objective is for them to stifle what they perceive as competition even though they are not a private enterprise but a national agency

    Roskosmos needs thorough criminal investigation and a purge and it's long overdue, they are completely ignoring their job description in order to make money on the side and fluff Rogozin's ego


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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:25 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:That negates the sole reason S7 would have been interested in acquiring the launch platform in the first place though. To launch things into space.

    Not really.  They would be able to provide launch services to international customers, just not US interests.

    Now with new sanctions, after 2023 they won't be able to launch any bird with US tech, so the question now becomes moot.

    Which is something Roskosmos should have informed them about had they acted in good faith

    But objective is for them to stifle what they perceive as competition even though they are not a private enterprise but a national agency

    Roskosmos needs thorough criminal investigation and a purge and it's long overdue, they are completely ignoring their job description in order to make money on the side and fluff Rogozin's ego  



    Thanks for the input PapaVann... dunno where we would be without it... Suspect
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:39 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:That negates the sole reason S7 would have been interested in acquiring the launch platform in the first place though. To launch things into space.

    Not really.  They would be able to provide launch services to international customers, just not US interests.

    Now with new sanctions, after 2023 they won't be able to launch any bird with US tech, so the question now becomes moot.

    Which is something Roskosmos should have informed them about had they acted in good faith

    But objective is for them to stifle what they perceive as competition even though they are not a private enterprise but a national agency

    Roskosmos needs thorough criminal investigation and a purge and it's long overdue, they are completely ignoring their job description in order to make money on the side and fluff Rogozin's ego  



    Thanks for the input PapaVann... dunno where we would be without it... Suspect

    Anytime, you seem to need it desperately

    Just be careful with that Rogozin jizz, doctors say that excess vitamin B can case some health issues

    If you really can't let go of it then at least consume in moderation thumbsup
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:11 am

    It seems things are going to get interesting:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/526312-nasa-partnership-relations-space/

    NASA urges Russia to maintain co-operation in space despite dismal relations with US, as Moscow moots pulling out of partnership

    The head of America’s space agency, Bill Nelson, has lauded the benefits of his country’s historic partnership with Russia, which has allowed generations of astronauts and cosmonauts to step beyond the Earth’s atmosphere together.

    The official paid tribute to the long-standing arrangement in an interview published by Politico on Thursday, days after his Russian counterpart, Roscosmos chief Dmitry Rogozin, said that collaboration could come to an end if Washington didn’t lift the sanctions on its space program.

    “Our politics have become very strained,” Nelson acknowledged, “but here is the one area that we have been able to cooperate. It’s been [like that] ever since 1975, when an American spacecraft in the middle of the Cold War rendezvoused and docked with a Russian spacecraft, and the crews lived together for nine days. Ever since, we have been cooperating. We have extraordinary cooperation.”

    He added that he had personally told Rogozin that “this is unique – the kind of relationship where we can be at peace cooperating with each other, no matter what our rivalries are on terra firma.” Nelson also argued that Russia was unlikely to pull out of the International Space Station (ISS) anytime soon, and, indeed, was working on new technology to support missions there.

    Responding in a statement later that day, Rogozin said, “We are not against co-operation.” However, he added, “The only way to get there is to lift sanctions against Roscosmos enterprises.”

    In December, Moscow’s space chief hit out at “stupid” and “illegal” punitive measures imposed by Washington against its organizations, which, he said, “jeopardize the further implementation of the International Space Station program.” Rogozin noted that the Central Research Institute of Machine Building – one of the sanctioned companies – actually includes the ISS mission control center.


    I don't understand how you can claim value in cooperation in space when one side is doing everything it can to make things harder for the other side... that is not cooperation.... that is sabotage.

    That is running a foot race with a person pretending to be your friend with them trying to kick your legs out from under you...

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