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    Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #4

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:48 am

    New Russian module to deliver 700 kg of supplies to orbital outpost

    The upcoming Progress M-UM mission won't just deliver the new Prichal node to the ISS Russian segment. It will also carry a decent load of cargo. thumbsup

    MOSCOW, November 19. /TASS/. The Prichal nodal module scheduled for launch on November 24 will deliver supplies and food to the International Space Station (ISS), the federal space agency Roscosmos announced on Friday.

    "The spacecraft-module is also due to deliver about 700 kg of various cargo to the ISS, including expendable equipment and consumables, water purification, medical control and sanitation means, maintenance and repair tools, as well as standard food rations for the 66th Main Expedition crew," the statement says.

    The launch of a Progress M-UM spacecraft with the Prichal nodal module atop a Soyuz-2.1b carrier rocket from the Baikonur space center in Kazakhstan is targeted for 16:06 Moscow time on November 24. The cargo spacecraft-module’s docking with the Russian Nauka multi-purpose laboratory module that parked with the orbital outpost on July 29 is scheduled for November 26.

    Roscosmos Chief Dmitry Rogozin said that the new module would boost the capabilities of Russian spaceships, including the latest Oryol spacecraft, to dock with the ISS.

    https://tass.com/science/1363877

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:59 pm

    https://tass.com/science/1364209

    Russia, US confirm their intention to send a joint mission to Venus - Roscosmos CEO
    Dmitry Rogozin explained that this joint work will help to simplify this task from the point of view of economics, technology, and science

    MOSCOW, November 21. /TASS/. Russia and the United States confirmed their intention to organize a joint mission to Venus, General Director of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin said in an interview to YouTube channel Soloviov Live.

    "We agreed with the Americans on a joint mission to Venus. Venus was traditionally considered the Russian planet. It was the Soviet spacecraft that landed there," he said , adding "But we are going to put a mission there, it is called Venera-D - a joint Russian-American mission."

    He explained that this joint work will help to simplify this task from the point of view of economics, technology, and science. "It is easier to solve such issues together, using the talents of our scientists, and at the same time it will be economically simpler, and more reliable in terms of the operation of technology, and so on. Therefore, the US is also interested in this," Rogozin said.

    Venus program
    In mid-May 2020, Scientific Director of the Russian Space Research Institute Lev Zeleny said that Russian scientists may prepare several own missions for the exploration of Venus.


    "Earlier we talked about only one mission, ‘Venera-D’, now Roscosmos recommends that we move ahead. Taking into account the importance of Venus for science, we may have several missions to Venus. We are discussing it now, there may be two or even three of them," he said.

    In the middle of May, the scientist told TASS that Russia would develop a new Venus exploration program, which would include sending at least three research vehicles to the planet. According to him, the first expedition within the program will be the ‘Venera-D’ planned for the late 2020s.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:14 pm

    ...Venus was traditionally considered the Russian planet....

    Really?

    By whom exactly?

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:26 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ...Venus was traditionally considered the Russian planet....

    Really?

    By whom exactly?


    this expression was known long before Rogozin. "Venus is a Russian planet" approximately from the moment of landing of the AMS "Venus-8", that is, about 50 years.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:24 am

    When it comes to landing and operating on Venus no other country has anywhere near a comparable record on Venus to Russia.

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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:25 pm

    Russian Soyuz-2.1b rocket with new module launches to orbital outpost from Baikonur

    The flight to the ISS will take two days

    BAIKONUR COSMODROME /Kazakhstan/, November 24. /TASS/. A Soyuz-2.1b carrier rocket with the Progress M-UM space freighter and the Prichal nodal module blasted off from Launch Pad No. 31 (‘Vostok’) of the Baikonur spaceport to the International Space Station (ISS), a TASS correspondent reported from the scene.

    In about nine minutes, the head unit comprising the space freighter and the module separated from the upper stage of the carrier rocket and embarked on its autonomous flight to the orbital outpost.

    The flight to the ISS will take two days. The docking with the Russian Nauka multi-purpose laboratory module is expected at 18:25 Moscow time on November 26. Currently, the Progress MS-17 space freighter is parked at the Nauka module’s docking port. It is scheduled to undock from the orbital outpost at 14:18 Moscow time on November 25.

    A total of 8.18 tonnes of payload will be delivered into orbit. Cosmonautics historian Alexander Zheleznyakov told TASS on Tuesday that the Soyuz-2 carrier rocket would deliver a record payload weight to the ISS.

    Roscosmos Chief Dmitry Rogozin said that the new module would boost the capabilities of Russian spaceships, including the latest Oryol spacecraft, to dock with the ISS. Overall, the new module will have five docking ports. The first docking of a manned spacecraft with the Prichal module is scheduled for March 18.

    The spacecraft-module is also due to deliver about 700 kg of various cargo to the ISS, including equipment and consumables, water purification, medical control including sanitary and hygienic supplies, maintenance and repair tools, as well as standard food rations for the 66th Main Expedition crew.

    https://tass.com/science/1365693

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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:27 pm

    Russia’s Proton-M carrier rocket to orbit Ekspress telecoms satellites on December 12

    (The Ekspress-AMU3 and Ekspress-AMU7 telecoms satellites)

    https://tass.com/science/1365439

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Nov 24, 2021 6:06 pm

    George1 wrote:Russia’s Proton-M carrier rocket to orbit Ekspress telecoms satellites on December 12

    (The Ekspress-AMU3 and Ekspress-AMU7 telecoms satellites)

    https://tass.com/science/1365439

    According to information from open sources, Russia has 5-6 more space launches before the end of the year. On November 25, the Soyuz launch vehicle is expected to be launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome, then there will be one manned launch of the Soyuz with space tourists, then the Proton launch on December 12 from Baikonur, another launch of the Soyuz from Baikonur under the OneWeb program, the launch of the GLONASS satellite from Plesetsk and, probably, the launch of Angara-A5 from Plesetsk at the end of December. Maybe there will be another previously unannounced launch from Plesetsk, but this is unlikely. In addition, there should be two Soyuz launches from the Kourou cosmodrome, but these are no longer purely Russian launches. One thing I can say for sure: today Russia has 19 successful space launches in 2021, and the devil-knows-how many a long series of trouble-free space launches, lasting since October 2018.

    If we count only Russian launches, then from 01.01.2016 Russia has 3 accidents for 109 space launches. Or 3 accidents for 121 space launches, if you include launches from the Kourou cosmodrome here.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:When it comes to landing and operating on Venus no other country has anywhere near a comparable record on Venus to Russia.

    And on the contrary Mars seems to be cursed when it comes to Russia

    Venus it is thumbsup (and it's a more interesting planet anyhow)
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:39 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    GarryB wrote:When it comes to landing and operating on Venus no other country has anywhere near a comparable record on Venus to Russia.

    And on the contrary Mars seems to be cursed when it comes to Russia

    Venus it is thumbsup (and it's a more interesting planet anyhow)

    I dont thinks so. Does Venus have portals to hell like Mars? I think not.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:04 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    I dont thinks so.  Does Venus have portals to hell like Mars?  I think not.

    Venus is hell itself and it's a lot more convincing than an old game

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 pm

    There was discussion of sending a 24 hour lander mission to Venus. I think Russia should do this before any other space mission like
    a trip to Jupiter, etc. The 24 hour mission will require use of silicon nitride electronics and an active cooling system and is a good
    avenue for tech development. Maybe they could even make the lander mobile. A rover is out of the question since it has to be
    relatively light and will not last long.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:43 pm

    George1 wrote:Russian Soyuz-2.1b rocket with new module launches to orbital outpost from Baikonur

    The flight to the ISS will take two days

    BAIKONUR COSMODROME /Kazakhstan/, November 24. /TASS/. A Soyuz-2.1b carrier rocket with the Progress M-UM space freighter and the Prichal nodal module blasted off from Launch Pad No. 31 (‘Vostok’) of the Baikonur spaceport to the International Space Station (ISS), a TASS correspondent reported from the scene.

    In about nine minutes, the head unit comprising the space freighter and the module separated from the upper stage of the carrier rocket and embarked on its autonomous flight to the orbital outpost.

    The flight to the ISS will take two days. The docking with the Russian Nauka multi-purpose laboratory module is expected at 18:25 Moscow time on November 26. Currently, the Progress MS-17 space freighter is parked at the Nauka module’s docking port. It is scheduled to undock from the orbital outpost at 14:18 Moscow time on November 25.

    A total of 8.18 tonnes of payload will be delivered into orbit. Cosmonautics historian Alexander Zheleznyakov told TASS on Tuesday that the Soyuz-2 carrier rocket would deliver a record payload weight to the ISS.

    Roscosmos Chief Dmitry Rogozin said that the new module would boost the capabilities of Russian spaceships, including the latest Oryol spacecraft, to dock with the ISS. Overall, the new module will have five docking ports. The first docking of a manned spacecraft with the Prichal module is scheduled for March 18.

    The spacecraft-module is also due to deliver about 700 kg of various cargo to the ISS, including equipment and consumables, water purification, medical control including sanitary and hygienic supplies, maintenance and repair tools, as well as standard food rations for the 66th Main Expedition crew.

    https://tass.com/science/1365693

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    Post  GarryB Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:12 am

    How dense is the atmosphere of Venus... and are there any altitudes they could deploy some sort of floating airship.

    Working in extreme heat and extreme cold might be useful in a future of climate change... if we overdo it with green house gas reductions we might end up in an ice age... looking at Venus is a window into what will happen in a runaway greenhouse situation.

    The earth has been much hotter than it is now and also much colder than it is now and it survived just fine... the secret wont be being able to flick a switch to get the weather and temperature we want, but learning how to cope with the different temperature extremes without excessive energy use to do so.

    Venus is more interesting to me because it is hidden and much less is known about it.... you can get a high power telescope and have a good look at Mars from earth or from space but with Venus you really do have to land to get a decent view.

    Venus is just more of a challenge and I fully understand why the US wants to go with Russia...

    Something that operates in the clouds in a more moderate environment could operate for much longer and perhaps provide better images from a more moderate environment.
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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:37 am

    A balloon platform for Venus definitely makes sense. But it will be limited to radar type imaging of the surface and sampling of the ambient atmosphere.
    Venus has sulfuric acid cloud layers above 50 km from the surface. It has sulfuric acid haze above 25 km. Its atmosphere at the surface has a pressure
    of about 93 bar which is 92 times higher than on Earth so balloon flight can be supported well above 35 km which is basically the limit for the Earth.
    The winds are rather strong at high altitudes and since the density is not small they will be dragging any platform without control.

    https://www.universetoday.com/36816/winds-on-venus/

    Staying above the sulfuric acid clouds seems like the best option. Above 50 km the temperature falls below 300 K. It gets down 200 K around
    100 km but then goes up to 400 K at 140 km in the Venusian thermosphere.

    Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #4 - Page 23 A-diagram-of-the-mean-vertical-temperature-profile-in-Venuss-atmosphere-showing-the



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    Post  Scorpius Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:33 am

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13015977
    A Soyuz-2.1B carrier rocket with a spacecraft was launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry (presumably another satellite "Tundra" of the "Cupol" missile attack warning system).

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:55 pm

    kvs wrote:Staying above the sulfuric acid clouds seems like the best option.   Above 50 km the temperature falls below 300 K.   It gets down 200 K around
    100 km but then goes up to 400 K at 140 km in the Venusian thermosphere.

    Interestingly, the pressure at 50km altitude is ~1.06 bar, or equal to earth at sea level.  At 300K (27 deg C) and 1.06 bar, if you can ignore the sulphuric acid haze and lack of breathable atmosphere, then Venus at 50kms is the only other place in the solar system apart from this 3rd rock where one can find a "shirt sleeve" environment.

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    Post  Lennox Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:09 am

    GarryB wrote:How dense is the atmosphere of Venus... and are there any altitudes they could deploy some sort of floating airship.

    Working in extreme heat and extreme cold might be useful in a future of climate change... if we overdo it with green house gas reductions we might end up in an ice age... looking at Venus is a window into what will happen in a runaway greenhouse situation.

    The earth has been much hotter than it is now and also much colder than it is now and it survived just fine... the secret wont be being able to flick a switch to get the weather and temperature we want, but learning how to cope with the different temperature extremes without excessive energy use to do so.

    Venus is more interesting to me because it is hidden and much less is known about it.... you can get a high power telescope and have a good look at Mars from earth or from space but with Venus you really do have to land to get a decent view.

    Venus is just more of a challenge and I fully understand why the US wants to go with Russia...

    Something that operates in the clouds in a more moderate environment could operate for much longer and perhaps provide better images from a more moderate environment.

    The Vega program did exactly that. 2 balloons floating at 54km above the surface.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:59 am

    The winds are rather strong at high altitudes and since the density is not small they will be dragging any platform without control.

    A few satellites in orbit to track the balloons... having it rush around the planet in trade winds means it does not need to expend energy moving so it can use all its onboard power with radar scanning of the surface and transmitting the results to the satellites in orbit...

    The problems of airships on Venus should be much less than any issues with airships around Jupiter or Saturn or even Titan.

    An airship can test atmospheric gases and also will be closer to the surface so should get better resolution radar images...

    Staying above the sulfuric acid clouds seems like the best option. Above 50 km the temperature falls below 300 K. It gets down 200 K around
    100 km but then goes up to 400 K at 140 km in the Venusian thermosphere.

    So looking at a Celcius/Kelvin thermometer:

    Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #4 - Page 23 220px-10

    I would say that 125 to 150km band would be the 250-300K band would be a useful temp range at between 0 and 30 degrees C would be the goldilocks zone in terms of electronics and materials strength and durability and could be high enough to get some solar panel use during day time too...

    The Vega program did exactly that. 2 balloons floating at 54km above the surface.

    Did not know that, but I approve this idea... Very Happy thumbsup

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:13 am

    Lennox wrote:The Vega program did exactly that. 2 balloons floating at 54km above the surface.

    IMHO the Vega program was probably the pinnacle of Soviet-era planetary exploration and has has been unfairly ignored by Western pundits.  Landers on Venus nightside, balloons in its atmosphere, and Comet Halley fly-bys, what's not to like.  It is true that its solid-state cameras for the Halley encounter were a living example of 1st-gen technology with horrendous noise currents, but they captured some great imagery that I believe out did the more lauded Giotto probe.

    I'll bet few have seen this one before...

    Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #4 - Page 23 Halley10

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:29 pm

    The "Prichal" nodal module docked with the ISS

    KOROLEV / Moscow region /, November 26. / TASS /. The "Prichal" junction module as part of the Progress M-UM spacecraft, launched on Wednesday from the Baikonur cosmodrome, docked at the docking port of the Nauka multipurpose laboratory module, a TASS correspondent reports from the Mission Control Center (MCC, part of Roscosmos).

    The docking took place in an automatic mode under the control of specialists from the Mission Control Center (MCC, part of Roskosmos) from the Earth and cosmonauts from the ISS.

    The Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle with the spacecraft and the module was launched at 16:06 Moscow time on Wednesday. The docking was carried out according to a two-day scheme. The mass of the removed load was 8.18 tons. Astronautics historian Alexander Zheleznyakov told TASS that this is a record for the payload mass for launches to the ISS on the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle.

    The new module will expand the capabilities of Russian spacecraft docking with the ISS, including the new Orel spacecraft. In total, five objects will be able to dock to it. For the first time, the Soyuz manned spacecraft is to dock at the new nodal module on March 18 next year

    The module ship also delivered about 700 kg of various cargoes to the ISS, including resource equipment and consumables, water treatment, medical control and sanitary and hygienic supplies, maintenance and repair facilities, as well as standard food rations for the 66th crew. main expedition.

    https://tass.ru/kosmos/13037711

    Nice approach shot:
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    ..and finally docked Very Happy
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:48 pm

    The results of the investigation into the hole in the Soyuz MS-09 were handed over to law enforcement officers

    MOSCOW, November 26. / TASS /. Roskosmos handed over to law enforcement agencies all the results of the investigation on the reasons for the appearance of the hole found in the living compartment of the Soyuz MS-09 spacecraft when it was on the ISS. This was reported by the press service of the state corporation on Friday.

    "All the results of the investigation regarding the hole in the utility compartment of the Soyuz MS-09 spacecraft were transferred to law enforcement agencies," the Roskosmos noted.

    Earlier on Friday , Izvestia, citing sources, said that the hole could have appeared due to the desire of NASA astronaut Serina Aunyon-Chancellor to return to Earth due to the formation of a blood clot or a conflict with her lover on board the ISS.

    Earlier, a source told TASS that a hole in the living compartment of the Soyuz MS-09 spacecraft in 2018 was drilled in zero gravity by a person who was not familiar with the device.

    https://tass.ru/kosmos/13029079

    I'm finding myself leaning towards believing this is real.  I don't believe this fiasco would still be smoldering unless there was truth behind it.

    Cue the Roskosmos haters to double-down with their Rogo-hate and defense of NASA.... (Edit: snark is not aimed at any members of our forum, but the Russophobe retards in our pressitute media)

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:31 am

    The drilling attempt was no factory floor cock-up. That leaves mental problems and sabotage as the only other options.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:40 am

    PD must be the down-vote imbecile. The moron can't even be bothered to make his "case". Only serial pissing on the thread.

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    Post  Lennox Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:51 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Lennox wrote:The Vega program did exactly that. 2 balloons floating at 54km above the surface.

    IMHO the Vega program was probably the pinnacle of Soviet-era planetary exploration and has has been unfairly ignored by Western pundits.  Landers on Venus nightside, balloons in its atmosphere, and Comet Halley fly-bys, what's not to like.  It is true that its solid-state cameras for the Halley encounter were a living example of 1st-gen technology with horrendous noise currents, but they captured some great imagery that I believe out did the more lauded Giotto probe.

    I'll bet few have seen this one before...

    Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #4 - Page 23 Halley10

    I believe that the main problem with Soviet and Russian space programs is the lack of publicity. Hell, they were and are doing some of the most amazing jobs on Earth and in space. But if they can't get enough publicity, the only info people find about those programs would be from trolls. You have to dig deep to find the valuable info, but sometimes they are behind pay wall (guess you know who it is by now Laughing ). Even worse, not enough publicity = risky investment = lack of investment = funding problems. Just look at how NASA advertised the Artemis program to justify the number of dollars invested to keep the funding going. Yet, the FSB is deciding that every info that journalist publishes about the Russian space program is now forbidden for publication. Roscosmos just had a new head of press service tho, so we'll see.

    Somehow, the fact that the Checkmate's advertising campaign went super smooth got my hope up for Roscosmos to step up their game Very Happy

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