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    At least eight killed in Russian school shooting.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 13, 2021 3:44 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:"MP Sergey Mironov, from the “Fair Russia” party, went even further. The veteran politician called for a new law to apply the death penalty to those who kill children....

    Why give them easy way out when Russia has places like Pyatak and Black Dolphin that will give them lifetime of wanting to die but not being allowed to?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu May 13, 2021 4:26 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:"MP Sergey Mironov, from the “Fair Russia” party, went even further. The veteran politician called for a new law to apply the death penalty to those who kill children....

    Why give them easy way out when Russia has places like Pyatak and Black Dolphin that will give them lifetime of wanting to die but not being allowed to?


    Keeping people alive costs money and black dolphin has gotten lax over the years, plus to many people being alive even in a place like that is better then death
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    Post  GarryB Thu May 13, 2021 11:18 am

    Personally I think a for life term that means till you die, with hard labour, and any money you generate from that labour is directed to the family members of those you killed.

    It was a similar problem here.

    The Aussie nutter that came here and murdered 51 people applied for and got his licence on line.

    You need two referees to vouch for your character, and his two referees had never met him... they only knew him from online... so it is effectively the same as two people from this forum vouching for another member as being a sane and responsible person to own fire arms.

    Ridiculous.

    So now they have all sorts of brand new laws rushed through without thinking about it very much, but if the existing rules had been applied properly this might not have happened.

    The fact of the matter is that a pump action shotgun with a tube magazine is deadly at short range... if you are shooting people inside a building then they have little chance of survival... it does not matter how big the magazine is... most competition shooters have a bag over their shoulder filled with ammo and as they shoot they feed new rounds into the tube... essentially every time you fire a shot you load a shot so you essentially have an unlimited magazine.

    Most of the professional shooters do not buy the long tube magazines because they take too long to fully load up and when they are loaded they are heavy and make sweeping the gun to follow moving targets like Ducks harder and slower.

    A pump action shotgun or semi auto, with a tube magazine of 3-4 shots would be the ideal weapon... the only defence is to shoot them first.

    You will notice shooting rampages never take place on a shooting range and the few that happen in a police station happen there because that is where they started.

    The planned ones happen in childrens schools, malls, hospitals, or concerts... lots of people and not many guns to shoot back.

    Someone with the mentality to kill people at random is not going to hand in a firearm, and when you ban them then you effectively create a black market so they could choose from all sorts of much more exotic stuff.

    Pipe bombs are not hard to make apparently, and how much of a step is it from an impact detonated pipe bomb to a mortar that could launch exploding things into a crowd from a distance.

    If you have money you can buy all sorts of scary stuff... high school level metalwork skills would allow most people to make a sub machine gun.

    3D printers are only going to make things worse...

    It was mentioned that gun users always complain about the focus being on gun control, sure I don't want people to take all of my guns away.... they have already taken three away and guess what... I still have a few shotguns that would be far more suitable to the task of being a cocksucker asshole than the weapons they took away and destroyed.

    They can ban all the guns they want but this is not a gun problem, it is a people problem.

    Banning guns is making people feel paranoid because they always say you are just being paranoid... we only want to take the guns off the criminals... but they took them off everyone but the criminals... the criminals didn't hand their guns in...

    Ignoring the mental health issues is natural, because most countries have poor mental health funding and support and they don't want to change that because that costs money... they would rather spend that money on pay rises for themselves, or trips overseas to see how they do it in this country or that one... and take their whole family of course...

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    Post  GarryB Thu May 13, 2021 11:21 am

    Just had a brilliant idea....

    The offenders of this sort of crime should automatically become limb donors... so anyone who has lost a limb can request a check of suitability and if this killer has compatible blood types or whatever is needed then they lose an arm or a leg or both... or all four... once they have lost their limbs there is less risk of them escaping so a lower security prison could take them...

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu May 13, 2021 10:52 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
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    SeigSoloyvov wrote:"MP Sergey Mironov, from the “Fair Russia” party, went even further. The veteran politician called for a new law to apply the death penalty to those who kill children....
    Why give them easy way out when Russia has places like Pyatak and Black Dolphin that will give them lifetime of wanting to die but not being allowed to?

    Keeping people alive costs money and black dolphin has gotten lax over the years, plus to many people being alive even in a place like that is better then death

    Punishment does cost money and it is money well spent if it get you what you pay for: punishment

    I am not against death penalty but considering the methods we use today it can only be described as easy way out, if we had something like Spanish Inquisition or Vlad the Impaler to do their thing it would be a different story but we don't

    Keeping someone in a box like Pyatak or ADX Florence while their mind rots away for decades and they wish they could die but are denied the satisfaction is the best compromise we can make in today's society (''I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream'' type of situation)

    But if they are to be kept in some hotel style prison for just 25 years like in Norway then I say we definitely go for bullet to the head, better to just kill them fast than reward them with de-luxe accommodation



    GarryB wrote:...Personally I think a for life term that means till you die, with hard labour, and any money you generate from that labour is directed to the family members of those you killed.

    Work is seen as a reward and relaxation for prisoners, it would be counterproductive

    Do the Japanese thing: force them to sit and stare at the white wall

    In Japan they do it for days, now just imagine doing it for weeks or months?

    Physical torture has expiration date and ends when your body gives out but mind lasts much longer and mental punishment is much lengthier and more horrifying




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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri May 14, 2021 1:13 am

    GarryB wrote:Just had a brilliant idea....

    The offenders of this sort of crime should automatically become limb donors... so anyone who has lost a limb can request a check of suitability and if this killer has compatible blood types or whatever is needed then they lose an arm or a leg or both... or all four... once they have lost their limbs there is less risk of them escaping so a lower security prison could take them...

    Well you can do that with organs not limbs but yes wonderful idea.
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    Post  mnztr Thu May 20, 2021 9:08 am

    I heard these tragic details about the incident. The school security plan was executed and orders to lock all class doors was sent over the public address system. One teacher however had to peak out of the door. She was killed and all the kids that were shot are from that class. So sad

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    Post  GarryB Fri May 21, 2021 10:01 am

    The whole idea of rules and procedures is to keep people safe, ultimately we can't blame her for what happened, but if she did what she was supposed to do it would have not been so bad perhaps.

    Realistically if he hadn't shot her and some children in her class he might have used some determination to get into a room and kill people anyway... I don't think he would have given up and gone home because the doors were locked.

    It is not really fair to go back and say if this person didn't do this then everything would have been OK... I mean if one guy had decided to drink before driving the night before and had run this kid over and killed him he could not have done this, but that is no reason for everyone to start drink driving...

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