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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue May 11, 2021 10:51 am

    Wasn't sure where to post this so made a new thread.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=At+least+eight+killed+in+Russian+school+shooting

    The only penalty appropriate for this is the death sentence.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 11, 2021 11:46 am

    Guy was a terrible loser. Reminded me of that incel in America that commited that university massacre a decade back because his game was too shit to get any pussy; what was his name, Rogers something? Probably this guy here had the same story, even bears a resemblance.

    Troublemaker in school with low grades. Then he entered college, where he did alright but dropped out anyway

    Shortly before the massacre he bought a weapon, called himself God on his Telegram channel and promised to clean out the biogarbage and do himself in later.

    Now he's ranting in confinement about being God, having no mother, and hating everyone; probably trying to go for an insanity plea or whatever.

    He should have started with doing himself in, if he wanted to get rid of the biogarbage.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 11, 2021 1:33 pm

    List of victims has climbed to 9 now

    Here is the current list of so far surviving patients

    1. Shigapov A., 9 years old - extremely serious condition (gunshot wound to the abdominal cavity, blood loss of 3 liters)

    2. Gumerova A., 15 years old - serious condition (fractures of the leg and pelvis)

    3. Ziyangareev T., 14 years old - serious condition (multiple gunshot wounds)

    4. Ibragimov K., 14 years old - serious condition (comminuted wounds, fractures after falling from a height)

    5. Kiyamova L., 13 years old - serious condition (gunshot wounds to the chest, fractures)

    6. Khasanov K., 14 years old - serious condition (fracture of the hip when falling from a height)

    7. Sungatullin I., 14 years old - a state of moderate severity (gunshot wound in the back)

    8. Agzamova R., 9 years old - a state of moderate severity (gunshot wound to the leg)

    9. Bikmullin A., 15 years old - a state of moderate severity (gunshot wound to the lower back)

    10. Khairullin A., 9 years old - a state of moderate severity (gunshot wound to the chest, shoulder)

    11. Ibragimov A., 9 years old - a state of moderate severity (laceration of the hand, fall)

    12. Ibragimova M., 8 years old - a state of moderate severity (lacerated knee wound, fall)

    13. Israilov Z., 10 years old - a state of moderate severity (bruised leg wound, fall)

    14. Orlova S., 13 years old - a state of moderate severity (fracture of the leg, fall)

    15. Sharafutdinova A., 8 years old - a state of moderate severity (ankle fracture, fall)

    16.Zueva D., 13 years old - serious condition (spinal fracture, fall)

    17. Sagdeev R., 14 years old - a state of moderate severity (head injury, fall)

    18. Gimatov K., 7 years old - a state of moderate severity (injury to the buccal region, fall)

    19. Mustafin M., 62 years old - a state of moderate severity (gunshot wound to the head, abdomen, pelvic bones)

    20. Galiullina D., 50 years old - a state of moderate severity (gunshot wound to the humerus)

    21.Sadykova A., 19 years old - a state of moderate severity (gunshot wound to the soft tissues of the neck and head)

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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 11, 2021 2:12 pm

    With the exception of Chechen terrorists the only people I've ever heard of attacking a school in any country are usually current pupils or former pupils who were often bullied but have become wastemen in life in general. And if they're former pupils then they haven't had the chance to grow up much since they attended there; they're seldom far out of adolescence.

    The logical thing would be to ban gun ownership for anyone under 28 and also restrict it those those people with a steady income and no history of violations or charges. Preferably evidence of a decent sex life as well, married, or if not then at least have a gf.

    Anyone who wants to play around with a gun under the age of 28 can do what they're required to by law anyway and join the army by conscription.
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    Post  bitcointrader70 Tue May 11, 2021 2:37 pm

    flamming_python wrote:With the exception of Chechen terrorists the only people I've ever heard of attacking a school in any country are usually current pupils or former pupils who were often bullied but have become wastemen in life in general. And if they're former pupils then they haven't had the chance to grow up much since they attended there; they're seldom far out of adolescence.

    The logical thing would be to ban gun ownership for anyone under 28 and also restrict it those those people with a steady income and no history of violations or charges. Preferably evidence of a decent sex life as well, married, or if not then at least have a gf.

    Anyone who wants to play around with a gun under the age of 28 can do what they're required to by law anyway and join the army by conscription.

    Lmao you are a huge Uber fascist
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue May 11, 2021 2:47 pm

    flamming_python wrote:With the exception of Chechen terrorists the only people I've ever heard of attacking a school in any country are usually current pupils or former pupils who were often bullied but have become wastemen in life in general. And if they're former pupils then they haven't had the chance to grow up much since they attended there; they're seldom far out of adolescence.

    The logical thing would be to ban gun ownership for anyone under 28 and also restrict it those those people with a steady income and no history of violations or charges. Preferably evidence of a decent sex life as well, married, or if not then at least have a gf.

    Anyone who wants to play around with a gun under the age of 28 can do what they're required to by law anyway and join the army by conscription.

    That is pretty draconian.

    Things like checks are fine but requiring they be married or be dating is just too much.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 11, 2021 2:55 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:With the exception of Chechen terrorists the only people I've ever heard of attacking a school in any country are usually current pupils or former pupils who were often bullied but have become wastemen in life in general. And if they're former pupils then they haven't had the chance to grow up much since they attended there; they're seldom far out of adolescence.

    The logical thing would be to ban gun ownership for anyone under 28 and also restrict it those those people with a steady income and no history of violations or charges. Preferably evidence of a decent sex life as well, married, or if not then at least have a gf.

    Anyone who wants to play around with a gun under the age of 28 can do what they're required to by law anyway and join the army by conscription.

    That is pretty draconian.

    Things like checks are fine but requiring they be married or be dating is just too much.

    And owning a gun is asking for too much IMO

    But I accept there are legitimate reasons for one. If you live out in the woods and need to hunt or protect yourself against wild bears then fair enough.

    But WTF would you need one for in a major city? This isn't the US.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue May 11, 2021 3:18 pm

    Russia has crime, all the same, you cannot rely on others to protect you. No one can teleport instantly.

    It's sad what happened to those people, but overreactions don't help anyone.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 11, 2021 3:28 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Russia has crime, all the same, you cannot rely on others to protect you. No one can teleport instantly.

    It's sad what happened to those people, but overreactions don't help anyone.


    Yes you can rely on others to protect you, that's what the police are for

    Russia is not a perfect country but it's major cities have less crime than most European capitals. And Kazan is certainly a very safe city. Or was.

    Guns are by law required to be locked up in a gun cabinet with the ammunition stored separately. What are the chances that you'll get everything primed if you wake up and someone is raiding your home anyway?

    Fk the guns full stop
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue May 11, 2021 4:05 pm

    Police do not respond instantly and in like 90 percent of cases they arrive far too late. Unless they are literally around the corner. so no the police cannot reliably protect you.

    Russia has plenty of crime all nations do, I am not very sure about that places gun laws so I will not comment on that.

    I disagree with you but that you are welcome to think and feel how you wish with that.

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    Post  lyle6 Tue May 11, 2021 6:02 pm

    RIP to the victims, and speedy recovery to the wounded.

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    Post  Kiko Tue May 11, 2021 7:54 pm

    ROC should take over more schools. Enough of atheist BS.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 11, 2021 8:53 pm

    Kiko wrote:ROC should take over more schools. Enough of atheist BS.

    That will be funny considering the shooter was Muslim and so were most of his victims
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    Post  limb Tue May 11, 2021 9:56 pm

    flamming_python wrote:With the exception of Chechen terrorists the only people I've ever heard of attacking a school in any country are usually current pupils or former pupils who were often bullied but have become wastemen in life in general. And if they're former pupils then they haven't had the chance to grow up much since they attended there; they're seldom far out of adolescence.

    The logical thing would be to ban gun ownership for anyone under 28 and also restrict it those those people with a steady income and no history of violations or charges. Preferably evidence of a decent sex life as well, married, or if not then at least have a gf.

    Anyone who wants to play around with a gun under the age of 28 can do what they're required to by law anyway and join the army by conscription.

    Gotta first reduce womens standards first,ban dating sites and social media as well as institute a socialist economy to remove unemployment.


    Also by banning guns youre just allwing the bourgeoisie and in general rich nepotistic people who can bend the law to only have them, which I find disgusting.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue May 11, 2021 10:13 pm


    Russian gun laws are fine

    This was done with a shotgun, you can't outlaw that

    What screwed the pooch was the shrink who rubber-stamped his psych eval

    I see this all the time first hand on the job, psychologists slacking off

    Ones who work in schools at least put in some effort but those who deal with adults couldn't give fewer fu¢ks and just sign off on anything

    This asshole was obvious psycho but psychologist couldn't be arsed to do his job and cleared him for gun permit

    You don't rubber-stamp psych evals for gun permits, ever

    They need to nail that incompetent asshole shrink to the wall as an example to others

    Also, shrinks are among those people who insist how their job is crucial but are always eager to not do it



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    Post  limb Tue May 11, 2021 10:23 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russian gun laws are fine

    This was done with a shotgun, you can't outlaw that

    What screwed the pooch was the shrink who rubber-stamped his psych eval

    I see this all the time first hand on the job, psychologists slacking off

    Ones who work in schools at least put in some effort but those who deal with adults couldn't give fewer fu¢ks and just sign off on anything

    This asshole was obvious psycho but psychologist couldn't be arsed to do his job and cleared him for gun permit

    You don't rubber-stamp psych evals for gun permits, ever

    They need to nail that incompetent asshole shrink to the wall as an example to others

    Also, shrinks are among those people who insist how their job is crucial but are always eager to not do it




    Spot on, in the vast majority of cases therapy and psychiatry are a scam, and the practitioners are only interested in getting an easy buck and are more knowledgeable how not to be accountable and to slack off rather than doing their job.

    Also its basically a universal phenomenon for the mediocre disintrested students at universities around the globe to get psychology degrees just for the sake of getting a degree as well as looking less retarded than they would be if they got a tranny, female, immigrant, or tibetan carpet sewing studies degree or whatever.

    But WTF would you need one for in a major city? This isn't the US.

    Idk, maybe shooting targets for fun?
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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 11, 2021 10:32 pm

    limb wrote:
    Gotta first reduce womens standards first,ban dating sites and social media as well as institute a socialist economy to remove unemployment.


    Also by banning guns youre just allwing the bourgeoisie and in general rich nepotistic people who can bend the law to only have them, which I find disgusting.

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    Russian gun laws are fine

    This was done with a shotgun, you can't outlaw that

    What screwed the pooch was the shrink who rubber-stamped his psych eval

    I see this all the time first hand on the job, psychologists slacking off

    Ones who work in schools at least put in some effort but those who deal with adults couldn't give fewer fu¢ks and just sign off on anything

    This asshole was obvious psycho but psychologist couldn't be arsed to do his job and cleared him for gun permit

    You don't rubber-stamp psych evals for gun permits, ever

    They need to nail that incompetent asshole shrink to the wall as an example to others

    Also, shrinks are among those people who insist how their job is crucial but are always eager to not do it


    Why can't you ban shotguns? The massacre in the college in Kerch was done with a shotgun too, I think even the same model.

    There is no legitimate need for someone to have that sort of weapon in a city

    As for psych evaluations, just save the trouble and don't issue them to people under 28 at all. And there better be a reason for it. If for family protection, so then individual evaluation, and a requirement to have your own family in the first place.
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    Post  calripson Tue May 11, 2021 10:45 pm

    The Russian murder rate only fell under the US rate in 2018 at 7 per 100,000. As recently as 2000, it was 30 per 100,000. Same gun laws which were much stricter than the US. The difference was alcohol consumption. Mexico which has very strict gun laws has murder rates far in excess of the US. Cultural differences. Gun laws certainly have an effect on crime, but it is not as simple as it seems. When US states began allowing concealed carry people predicted carnage. Never happened. In fact, permit holders were no more likely to commit murder than cops. On balance they are a positive as sometimes they intervene to protect bystanders. Russia has very low gun crime. 9 people killed is a tragedy but you are talking about a country of 145 million. You could ban motorcycles in Russia and save far more teenagers lives. You could ban backyard pools in America and save way more kids' lives than banning guns.

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    Post  GarryB Tue May 11, 2021 11:48 pm

    Yes you can rely on others to protect you, that's what the police are for

    Are you saying the police failed these dead children?

    Police can't be everywhere all the time.

    Russia is not a perfect country but it's major cities have less crime than most European capitals. And Kazan is certainly a very safe city. Or was.

    This is not crime in the general sense... this was not a robbery gone wrong... this was a deranged person... this is more about mental illness that criminals.

    Guns are by law required to be locked up in a gun cabinet with the ammunition stored separately. What are the chances that you'll get everything primed if you wake up and someone is raiding your home anyway?

    When a criminal has broken into your house, are you not allow to defend yourself?

    If someone is breaking into your house to steal your property and do harm to you or your family... a gun owner has a responsibility to prevent their firearms falling into criminal hands.

    Police do not respond instantly and in like 90 percent of cases they arrive far too late.

    In the US if you are black they are just as likely to shoot you as help you it seems.

    Russia has plenty of crime all nations do, I am not very sure about that places gun laws so I will not comment on that.

    Laws don't stop run amok killers... they existed before the invention of the firearm and will continue to do what they do after firearms are all banned.

    We just had a nut case here near where I live who stabbed multiple people in a supermarket...

    Russian gun laws are fine

    Restrictions on firearms wont solve anything.

    The Aussie dickhead here who killed 51 people planned his attack over a 2 year period... he could have made a gun in that time... some of the most effective guns are shotguns and sub machine guns... the latter are just sheet metal and could be made in a high school metal work machine shop.

    Take away guns and they will just find alternatives... poison, fire, explosives.... even just driving a truck or bus on the foot path in most major cities during busy times of day... go to the biggest high rise in a city and use a nail gun to seal all the fire escapes and then set fire to it...

    The real core is to demonise the perpetrators or give them no publicity at all.
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed May 12, 2021 1:01 am

    GarryB wrote:Take away guns and they will just find alternatives... poison, fire, explosives.... even just driving a truck or bus on the foot path in most major cities during busy times of day... go to the biggest high rise in a city and use a nail gun to seal all the fire escapes and then set fire to it...

    Gun is specificially designed for kill unlike a truck or a knife which is originally and mainly a daily life or working tools and can only be a "weapon" in several circumstances. And in comparison with a knife or a truck, the slaughter by a gun is devastating.

    The pro-gun factions always ranting "counter a bad guy with gun by a good guy with gun" but what guarantees that you are good and what guarantee that you will properly follow the protocol to materialize your good will instead of turning it into the disasters ? You can imagine that handling dangerous chemicals or expensive equipments and materials in a laboratory is not something you can blindly let everyone do without proper training or supervision.

    I do not know things in Russia but we already know that having a gun in the United States requires significant money. Private gun ownership does not means arming the people as many thought.

    But I do agree that the core of the problem cannot be solved simply by banning the gun.
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    Post  lyle6 Wed May 12, 2021 1:22 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Russian gun laws are fine

    This was done with a shotgun, you can't outlaw that

    What screwed the pooch was the shrink who rubber-stamped his psych eval

    I see this all the time first hand on the job, psychologists slacking off

    Ones who work in schools at least put in some effort but those who deal with adults couldn't give fewer fu¢ks and just sign off on anything

    This asshole was obvious psycho but psychologist couldn't be arsed to do his job and cleared him for gun permit

    You don't rubber-stamp psych evals for gun permits, ever

    They need to nail that incompetent asshole shrink to the wall as an example to others

    Also, shrinks are among those people who insist how their job is crucial but are always eager to not do it
    Exactly. The system works, until you get clowns who don't do their job properly. If anything they should be more stringent on giving shrinks their licenses to practice - nothing worse than getting mental health advice from someone who's not that far off in terms of mental health to his patients. Its like an obese fitness trainer - what the **** are you even doing?
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed May 12, 2021 2:21 am

    Shit like this, you can't prevent all the time. Every now and then one gets through. RIP to the dead. But I agree with Papa, it's the shrinks who fucked up here and didn't do their jobs properly. Clearing him and allowing him to obtain a gun permit is the issue.
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    Post  kvs Wed May 12, 2021 8:20 am

    Start with the shrink and try to find other influencers on this loser. Have them shot.

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed May 12, 2021 11:28 am

    https://www.rt.com/russia/523599-revise-gun-laws-kazan-shooting/

    So they are gonna make sure people who have bad psychie and or previous convictions from obtaining gun licenses.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed May 12, 2021 1:10 pm

    "MP Sergey Mironov, from the “Fair Russia” party, went even further. The veteran politician called for a new law to apply the death penalty to those who kill children. Capital punishment is in the country’s statutes, but has been frozen due to Russia’s membership in the Council of Europe"

    Dunno why they make this sound like some extreme, that's quite a fitting punishment for the crime. Also that articles says

    "Vyacheslav Volodin, the head of the State Duma, also chimed in, stressing the need for a strong procedure to stop those with “an unstable psyche” from obtaining weapons"

    That means someone mentioned it not that they are going to do that.

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