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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:42 pm

    Texas Jailer Dies from COVID After Processing Migrant 200 Miles from Border

    Residents of Refugio County, Texas, honored the life of a sheriff’s office jailer on Tuesday who died in the line of duty after contracting the coronavirus while processing a migrant apprehended in a human smuggling incident. A sheriff’s office deputy is also recovering from COVID-19 after apprehending the migrant 200 miles from the Texas-Mexico border.

    In what is becoming a daily occurrence, Refugio County Sheriff’s Office deputies interdicted a human smuggling operation, Sheriff Raul “Pinky” Gonzales told Breitbart Texas. One of the migrants apprehended earlier this month was later determined to be infected with the coronavirus. The migrant passed on the virus to a deputy and a jailer.
    As a result of the exposure, Jailer Ricardo Hinojosa contracted COVID-19 and died on August 14, Sheriff Gonzales said. On Tuesday, Refugio County laid their public servant to rest.



    Refugio County is located on U.S. Highway 77 between Corpus Christi and Victoria — a well known human smuggling corridor. It is approximately 200 miles from the Mexican border.

    https://www.breitbart.com/border/2021/08/25/texas-jailer-dies-from-covid-after-processing-migrant-200-miles-from-border/
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    Post  Mir Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:21 pm

    nomadski wrote:Yes . Mostly elderly . And they are increasing .


    Have a look at the chart from World in Data.

    Btw in India they prescribed the "much dreaded" drug Invermectin despite fierce resistance from the Modi government.

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    Post  Mir Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:50 pm

    Diabetes drug batch recalled in the UK over toxic contamination with potential cancer-causing substance

    https://www.rt.com/uk/533106-diabetes-drug-recalled-cancer/

    "The UK’s drug regulator has ordered a small-scale recall of a popular diabetes drug after a checkup of pharmacies’ stockpiles found some of the medicine was contaminated with a toxic substance that is associated with cancer.

    The recall issued by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) on Wednesday targets a single batch of metformin oral solution. The drug is mostly used to treat type 2 diabetes."

    Now this begs the question. How would it be possible for a substance like that to slip through the cracks of the pharma company that manufacturers this drug? J&J or Bayer anyone? Laughing

    OR like one of the commentators responded brilliantly - "Cancer cures diabetes" Twisted Evil

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:43 pm

    https://www.equaltimes.org/covid-19-makes-a-bad-situation#.YSemSdQzZhF

    Covid-19 makes a bad situation worse for agricultural migrant workers in Canada

    The article is from Apr 2021. But I do not know whether there is any difference now.

    Jim Stanford, Canada’s top labour economist, tells Equal Times: “Migrant workers in Canada face exploitation, terrible working and living conditions, and risk of deportation. These issues became especially acute during the Covid-19 pandemic. Migrant farm workers face severe risks of contagion, made worse by sub-standard living arrangements. But fear of discharge and removal from Canada limited their ability to speak out about these problems. Several migrant workers have died of Covid in Canada.”

    Most of the richest farmland in Canada, including where Maria Lopez works, is located in the southern strip of the country – which is more populated and has a better climate – just across the border from the United States. Sarah Tabour is a USA-based scientist and expert in agricultural labour who has done extensive work on the ways in which North American ideas about family farms as rural and pastoral belies the reality of farms as capitalist enterprises exploiting workers. She tells Equal Times:

    “There’s this widespread assumption that the US and Canada are fundamentally different, and they’re just not…[.] In the US, a lot of farm workers started organising in ways that aren’t unions so the anti-union laws don’t apply to them [The Coalition of Immokalee Workers being a good example]. That’s why there are all the immigration raids on meat plants. There are enough workers to actually mount a serious labour action, so the owners call ICE [US Immigration and Customs Enforcement] and clean the place out.” In Canada as well, precarious immigration status combined with anti-union laws makes it hard for workers to speak up.

    The Covid-19 crisis has illuminated the existing difficulties faced by migrant workers. Chris Ramsaroop is an organiser with Justicia For Migrant Workers (J4MW), which works mainly in Southern Ontario. He tells Equal Times: “The conditions that existed prior to Covid continue to exacerbate the pandemic. These conditions include congregate housing, deplorable living conditions, and an absence of real oversight. In the absence of real regulation the temporary foreign worker program accentuates and heightens the vulnerabilities that workers might have. It’s a combination of restricted or precarious immigration status coupled with precarious working conditions.”

    J4MW says that over 1780 temporary foreign workers have tested positive in Ontario, but because of under-reporting, Ramsaroop estimates that the real number is probably more than 3,000: “From the start of the pandemic to now we haven’t seen any improvement in conditions. Workers continue to get sick with Covid while the employers continue to prioritise production, no matter the consequence to human lives.”

    Juan (not his real name) is from Mexico and has been working in Canada for four years. He tells Equal Times that it is impossible to social distance at home or work, as he lives in a house with 13 people (all farm labourers) who are picked up every morning in an old school bus that should seat 40 people but squeezes in 80 farm workers. He says that many of his co-workers are suffering from Covid symptoms but are afraid to say anything because “they fear being sent back home. This is a racist farm”.

    Ramsaroop says that J4MW has been involved in delivering food boxes for workers, as many of them do not have access to fresh food. He says that some employers have been using Covid-19 as an excuse to keep workers trapped on the farms, forcing them to buy food at inflated prices from their employers.

    Escobar, from UFCW, says that as well as the physical dangers, the mental health of migrant workers is being adversely affected by the pandemic because of the stress of worsening working conditions. He says that he knows of a migrant worker who tried to kill himself in a greenhouse. Maria Lopez was diagnosed with PTSD from her experiences as a worker on an Ontario farm.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 26, 2021 4:49 pm

    That said, i prefer life tough so i hope EMA quickly authorises Sputnik

    They are never going to authorise Sputnik V... it was the first available vaccine yet in the west it cannot get clearance...

    Your arguments certainly don't make a lot of sense at all, but I would suggest you brush up a bit on your forum rules

    I know the rules, the swearing was not directed at a forum member... and used the appropriate emoji for words I prefer not to use...

    "Sean Penn told the unvaccinated to not see his new film. Unfortunately for him, the vaccinated don’t seem interested, either"

    A certain Austrian body builder thinks you should get vaccinated too...

    The result is clear: people was left vulnerable against the conspiracy theories and fake news about medicines and vaccines, lead to tragedies like the cases of quinone overdoes, or cases of people using animal drugs.

    Despite all their bio labs around the world sampling everyones DNA they simply weren't ready and their handling of the situation was terrible.

    Haters on here think lockdowns are stupid and think they are an extreme action by a government... well I can tell you that after a week or so of lockdown it is not a big deal... especially since because the last lockdown was observed so we have not had any restrictions except at the border since May last year.

    Being at level 4 for a couple of weeks till this is sorted out is no problem.

    You have a right to choose not to be vaccinated, but you do have to understand that this makes you a potential carrier so what you do and where you go need to be restricted because of that... it is not rocket science.

    Or do you think people with HIV have the right to **** any partner they want and it is their civil right to not wear condoms?

    There are lots of countries that you cannot visit without getting "shots" it is not something new... those countries don't have a specific disease and they don't want people potentially carrying that disease to visit them... well add Covid to that list.

    I have family who will quit their jobs before taking a vaccine.

    And that is totally their choice, I have never suggested mandatory vaccinations for everyone.

    Personally I would love to see politics removed from the situation and all vaccines treated fairly and all the ones that work and have a proven record should be made available to those that want it... sometimes anti vaxers don't like this or that company or don't trust this or that country so having a selection of choices means more people can get vaccinated and be happy about it.

    My daughter said, there will always be another variant.

    Of course there will... as long as there are unvaccinated people to evolve in and develop.

    The only diseases we have managed to get rid of was through massive vaccination programmes where everyone who could get vaccinated was vaccinated.

    Some of my family work at good paying jobs where they will not mandate a vaccine.

    Lots of jobs you don't need to interact with the public or a large number of people so not being vaccinated might not matter to the public around you... but of course the fact that the vaccines need to be taken a few weeks apart if you get the disease the vaccine is no longer any good for you.

    I noticed on RT I think it was that they are working on an antidote to the virus... so you take it if you get the virus... but because it is Russian I doubt western countries will approve it any time soon.

    Issue is... i know the government is full of shit.

    And that is the core of the problem... western governments are owned by big business so you really can't trust them to do the right thing... most of them will figure they will be out of office before any real problems surface and of course there is no accountability at any level in western governments... you can get elected by being black so they assume you will fix racism... no chance. You could be a woman where you platform is equal rights... good luck with achieving that any time soon... but even then... equal pay... that already exists... it has been law for quite some time, but the numbers are manipulated to make it seem like women get paid less because areas of work dominated by women often do get less pay... but men doing those jobs get the same pay.

    Western governments are not interested in the truth... and they are certainly not interested in the well being of their own people or anyone elses...

    They would rather block and delay a Russian vaccine than save lives in the west because it makes more money for bit western companies... the leader of HATO was worried about the situation in Kabul Air Port... not for the people getting killed, but because it makes HATO look bad and Russia and China look good...

    Only Pfizer and Moderna for the gullible masses.

    Double the choice we have... we are only getting Pfizer.... you would think we could have used the extra time to get a selection of vaccines, but instead we got an exclusive order with Pfizer.... 10 million doses... enough for our population of 5 million people.

    Had my first jab and it bled a tiny bit and that night it hurt a bit, but all my tentacles seem healthy and normal, though I do think the two testicles on my left ball sack are hanging a bit lower than usual, but the three in the right ball sack are a bit higher so I think that might compensate.

    The UK is amongst the most vaccinated - just behind Israel.

    Yes, the new variants seem to not only be more contagious, but also more lethal to different demographic groups... more dangerous to children for instance which is amusing because most vaccination programmes have ignored them...
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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:34 pm

    I do not think that the loss of protection of existing vaccines after less than a year is any sort of shock. It is clear that
    SARS-Cov-2 has a high antigenic drift not much less than influenza virus strains. There is no permanent flu vaccine, so
    nobody should expect a permanent Covid-19 vaccine.

    The only issue is the long term impact of dosing up with mRNA vaccines on both the first instance and the booster repeats.

    AZ and Sputnik V do the job of attenuating mortality and severe cases. No vaccine is a panacea cure. People are clearly
    confused about this given all the MSM hype and fear mongering. Being exposed to Covid-19 or the vaccine conditions the
    immune system to be better able to handle new strains. The antigenic drift is not large enough to produce totally different
    strains as happens when there is migration of a virus from one species to another. Covid-19 itself is such a case where
    bat "SARS" jumped to humans likely due to gain of function research offshored to China. So there were even more genetic
    differences compared to the source.

    The Delta strain of Covid-19 is really being overhyped. The reason that this new strain is filling up ICUs is because it is
    continuing the spread of the disease through the population. Not everybody on the planet got infected since late 2019.
    The ICUs are being filled up with people who did not get vaccinated. That vaccinated individuals are getting sick again is
    not any sort of surprise. This happened (and still does happen in spite of manipulated statistics) with the flu.

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:Or do you think people with HIV have the right to **** any partner they want and it is their civil right to not wear condoms?

    We already know that such attitude is completely wrong. But what I want to discuss and argue is why such a wrong attitudes is so persistent, for example, in America, where conspiracy theories and all kinds of deviants and detrimental individualism are so persistent.

    At the individual level, any person have to take full responsibilty for the results caused by his irresponsible thinking and action, and as far as I know there are serious criminal charge against such behaviors during the current Covid pandemic, which I completely support.

    But at the social and national level, the persistence and wide spread of such conspiracy theories and anti-vax means there are problem right in the system.

    My opinion is simple: the current U.S. system is the main culprit responsible for the current status of severe ignorance amongst the population, which increase their vulnerability against the pandemic.

    Moreover, should we conclude that a certain politician genuinely believe that it is civil right to not wear mask just because he said so in front of the public ? I would like to argue that he believe more in the money and power of the capitalists who are backing him.

    Rather than thinking that he is a genuine fool, I would like to believe that he is a piece of  censored who put his profit over the health and lives of his own kind, which is even inferior than savaged beasts because the beasts at least care for their own kinds.

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:51 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Or do you think people with HIV have the right to **** any partner they want and it is their civil right to not wear condoms?

    We already know that such attitude is completely wrong. But what I want to discuss and argue is why such a wrong attitudes is so persistent, for example, in America, where conspiracy theories and all kinds of deviants and detrimental individualism are so persistent.

    At the individual level, any person have to take full responsibilty for the results caused by his irresponsible thinking and action, and as far as I know there are serious criminal charge against such behaviors during the current Covid pandemic, which I completely support.

    But at the social and national level, the persistence and wide spread of such conspiracy theories and anti-vax means there are problem right in the system.

    My opinion is simple: the current U.S. system is the main culprit responsible for the current status of severe ignorance amongst the population, which increase their vulnerability against the pandemic.

    Moreover, should we conclude that a certain politician genuinely believe that it is civil right to not wear mask just because he said so in front of the public ? I would like to argue that he believe more in the money and power of the capitalists who are backing him.

    Rather than thinking that he is a genuine fool, I would like to believe that he is a piece of  censored who put his profit over the health and lives of his own kind, which is even inferior than savaged beasts because the beasts at least care for their own kinds.


    That is some really good writing, higurashihougi!
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:22 am

    Just think for a second.. that you are being told day and night by western propagance ,
    that the  anglo western vaccines are "Safe" yet one of their closest allies , JAPAN orders the removal of nothing less than .....


    1.6 million Moderna Covid vaccine doses !!!!

    after Japan close inspection of every single vial of vaccine sent to them by modern.  
    they found an unknown substance ,that was not supposed to be there , in 39 vials.. Smile


    Why this news matters ?

    Because shows that American pharma industry , quality controls mistakes /(real agenda? )are not
    what they claim , that they can.. opps.. drop inside each vaccine shot ,something that shouldn't be there and that can potentially cause problems in people health later . .
    The fact that Japan took the decision , of instead of just to continue ,as business as usual,
    decided to remove from the market nothing less than up to 2 millions of vaccines.. speak
    clearly of the level of distrust , that Japan had over the shipment they received from Moderna
    to "save human lives" .  

    So weather people believe or not this was an just mere "coincidence" a just "very rare accident" ,the fact is , that forced mandatory vaccinations , on all population , can be used by a tyrannical government ,for absolute control like slaves of 100% of their entire population , by controlling their health.. when they will live and when they will receive a mysterious substance by "Accident" inside their vial of pfizer or moderna shot. are the perfect assassination tool of the west...
    the average nation do not have the advance equipment to verify the content of each vaccine dial ,neither the knowledge of what should be ok,, inside the vaccine shot or not.

    In this vaccine shipment it was just 39 defective shots..  but in another country , that number could be 300, or even 10,000. and in the future ,when everyone guard is down and everyone got used
    to vaccinate on a yearly basis , in a mandatory way.. the western pharma industry , can put cancer or aids inside those vaccine shots , and get rid of millions , just plain murder them, and get away with it , by blaming it ,on the people "bad health" or a "new virus" variant.


    1.6 million Moderna Covid vaccine doses pulled in Japan after foreign material found in some vials

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    https://www.rt.com/news/533077-japan-moderna-foreign-material/

    what is unbelievable in all this ,, is how the world accept this mandatory vaccinations /forced vaccinations so peacefully without a major nation wide protest. Because regardless if the anglo west
    are truly angels ,and really want to "Save humanity" with their vaccines , even if the past did not exist , and all we know about the west was cleared from our memory records . still this mandatory/forced vaccinations are incredibly dangerous for the entire human race existence.
    This kind of danger , is a pandora box, this opens a new door , for very evil nations to get rid of their minorities or elder people , (to avoid paying pensions ,and wellfare ) also can be used to get withing 2-3 weeks hundreds of millions entire parts of their population or the population of adversaries nations. And the best part of all ,from evil people point of view , get away with the murder of billions in the world.. by blaming their deaths to covid19 or a "new deadly mutations" .

    not even Russia and china should be allowed legally demand forced vaccinations ,because even though the governments of Putin and xing ping appears to be friendly to their citizens and patriotic too. What is going to happen ,if tyrannical government or a coup replace them ? No

    This forced/ mandatory vaccinations on entire populations is the most criminal possible thing ,
    i can think of , for society future ,because completely destroy people freedom and their rights to choose over their own bodies the medicine or aid they will take.

    The day any government can control people health , and make them hand pick the cities and states , and people that will die ,in the millions with mandatory vaccines and get a way with it , by blaming it in a virus.. It could be one of the most darkest period in human story if society and or doctors ,scientist an politicians allow any government to ever develop such kind of tyrranny.

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    Post  Mir Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:18 am

    The comparative chart between Israel's and India's new covid infections I posted previously provides some interesting data.

    The Israeli covid vaccination program consists of 100% of mRNA vaccines. Both Pfizer and Moderna was used with Pfizer being the main jab. Over 80% of Israelis received both the required jabs.

    India's vaccination program on the other hand does not not included any mRNA vaccines (Moderna is under consideration). So far they have used their domestically produced Covishield, Covaxin and Sputnik V. India has vaccinated nearly 590 million people but has a vast population of over 1.3 billion people and still has some way to go with over half the population still unvaccinated.

    Now if you look at the chart again. The purple line (Israel) is 100% mRNA vaccinated whilst the black line (India) received 0% mRNA vaccines and a huge proportion of the population is still unvaccinated. They both share the same seasonal cycle.

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    Post  Vann7 Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:42 am

    “Now is the Time to Use Ivermectin,” Tokyo’s Medical Assoc. Chairman Recommends Ivermectin to All Doctors to Treat Covid

    a Japanese medic says ivermectin medicine is more effective , than the mRNA vaccines to deal with covid19.



    The chairman’s findings square with the results of a 2020 Australian study titled, “The FDA-approved Drug Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro,” which found the anti-parasitic drug “could impede the replication of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in a laboratory setting in under 48 hours,” according to TechTimes.com.

    “The test conducted by the Australian researchers showed that even a single dose of the anti-parasitic drug was enough to significantly reduce viral RNA during the first 28 hours, then wiping out 99.8% by 48 hours,” reports Tech Times.

    “On the third day, coronavirus was eliminated entirely.”



    https://www.infowars.com/posts/now-is-the-time-to-use-ivermectin-tokyos-medical-assoc-chairman-recommends-ivermectin-to-all-doctors-to-treat-covid/
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    Post  andalusia Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:09 am

    kvs wrote:We see how the anti-vaxxer and political talking point response serves to create a distraction from the real problems.  
    People start their usual political bickering instead of keeping their attention where it is merited.   The fact that mRNA
    "vaccines" are truly untested and unproven in the medium and long term has nothing to do with right wingers and
    anti-vaxxers.   I see people submitting themselves to these concoctions because they only think "vaccine" and not
    "what sort of 'vaccine'".   Not all "vaccines" are the same and there is zero reason to push Pfizer and Moderna crap
    in stead of all the proven by decades of use approaches.    Why re-invent the wheel in this case?   It is the immune
    system that is doing the work and not the vaccine.


    I agree with you kvs however, these guys should have been more serious regarding the virus. They could have taken the Johnson and Johnson vaccine instead of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. I agree that not all vaccines are the same.

    I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

    Do I believe Covid is a real virus? Yes. Do I believe that the vaccines are effective at preventing it? Depending on which ones.

    Now, are there bad faith actors exploiting this crisis for personal political gain? Also yes. Could this be a test run for future implementation of authoritarian policies? Possibly.

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    Post  andalusia Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:12 am

    kvs wrote:I do not think that the loss of protection of existing vaccines after less than a year is any sort of shock.    It is clear that
    SARS-Cov-2 has a high antigenic drift not much less than influenza virus strains.    There is no permanent flu vaccine, so
    nobody should expect a permanent Covid-19 vaccine.

    The only issue is the long term impact of dosing up with mRNA vaccines on both the first instance and the booster repeats.

    AZ and Sputnik V do the job of attenuating mortality and severe cases.    No vaccine is a panacea cure.   People are clearly
    confused about this given all the MSM hype and fear mongering.    Being exposed to Covid-19 or the vaccine conditions the
    immune system to be better able to handle new strains.   The antigenic drift is not large enough to produce totally different
    strains as happens when there is migration of a virus from one species to another.   Covid-19 itself is such a case where
    bat "SARS" jumped to humans likely due to gain of function research offshored to China.   So there were even more genetic
    differences compared to the source.  

    The Delta strain of Covid-19 is really being overhyped.   The reason that this new strain is filling up ICUs is because it is
    continuing the spread of the disease through the population.   Not everybody on the planet got infected since late 2019.
    The ICUs are being filled up with people who did not get vaccinated.   That vaccinated individuals are getting sick again is
    not any sort of surprise.  This happened (and still does happen in spite of manipulated statistics) with the flu.

       

    Just want people's opinion about the AstraZeneca vaccine, is it a safer vaccine compared to the mRNA vaccines? Does it require one shot or two and is it offered here in the United States?
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    Post  Mir Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:53 am

    The AstraZeneca vaccine was withdrawn from the South African program as it was found not to be effective against the prevalent covid variant over here. It has not been used here since despite the fact that the Oxford developers came up with one that's supposedly effective.

    Like most of the jabs it is known to have caused serious blood clot issues. Here is a fresh article for you to consider.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/533165-bbc-presenter-astrazeneca-death/

    "Shaw died on May 21 at the age of 44 roughly three weeks after she received her first dose of AstraZeneca’s vaccine. She did not have any known underlying health problems but developed blood clots after receiving the jab.

    On Thursday – over three months after her death – a coroner finally confirmed that Shaw died from complications that were suffered as a result of vaccination."

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    Post  Mir Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:57 pm

    A follow up article on the vaccine death of the BBC reporter. A sane response from a world gone mad.

    The tragic death of Lisa Shaw shows why smearing those with concerns over Covid vaccines as ‘anti-vaxxers’ is wrong

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/533238-bbc-presenter-shaw-death-astrazeneca/

    "If Lisa Shaw hadn’t taken a Covid vaccine then she would, in all probability, still be alive today. The mother of one, a popular presenter at BBC Radio Newcastle, was only 44 years old and fit and healthy, with no known underlying conditions.

    Yet take the Covid vaccine she did on April 29, despite being in a very low risk category – and complications from it killed her. That’s not a ‘conspiracy theory’ – or the view of an ‘anti-vaxxer’ – it’s the official coroner’s report. All our thoughts go out to Lisa's devastated family and friends."

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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:05 pm

    andalusia wrote:
    kvs wrote:We see how the anti-vaxxer and political talking point response serves to create a distraction from the real problems.  
    People start their usual political bickering instead of keeping their attention where it is merited.   The fact that mRNA
    "vaccines" are truly untested and unproven in the medium and long term has nothing to do with right wingers and
    anti-vaxxers.   I see people submitting themselves to these concoctions because they only think "vaccine" and not
    "what sort of 'vaccine'".   Not all "vaccines" are the same and there is zero reason to push Pfizer and Moderna crap
    in stead of all the proven by decades of use approaches.    Why re-invent the wheel in this case?   It is the immune
    system that is doing the work and not the vaccine.


    I agree with you kvs however, these guys should have been more serious regarding the virus.  They could have taken the Johnson and Johnson vaccine instead of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.  I agree that not all vaccines are the same.  

    I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

    Do I believe Covid is a real virus? Yes. Do I believe that the vaccines are effective at preventing it? Depending on which ones.

    Now, are there bad faith actors exploiting this crisis for personal political gain? Also yes. Could this be a test run for future implementation of authoritarian policies? Possibly.


    In Canada I have no choice. It is only Pfizer or Moderna. I do not have access to AZ and J&J. This is why I am not a happy camper.
    The AZ vaccines statistics demonstrate it is safer (aside from any medium and long term effects) than both Pfizer and Moderna mRNA
    products. Why am I being denied access to it? Because of clotting? BS. Both Pfizer and Moderna have even worse clotting side effects
    in some individuals.

    I fully resent some fuckers in the grubbermint deciding on a whim what I am allowed to take. They are not more qualified and know better.
    They are corrupt maggots who are fellating both Pfizer and Moderna.

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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:08 pm

    Mir wrote:The AstraZeneca vaccine was withdrawn from the South African program as it was found not to be effective against the prevalent covid variant over here. It has not been used here since despite the fact that the Oxford developers came up with one that's supposedly effective.  

    Like most of the jabs it is known to have caused serious blood clot issues. Here is a fresh article for you to consider.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/533165-bbc-presenter-astrazeneca-death/

    "Shaw died on May 21 at the age of 44 roughly three weeks after she received her first dose of AstraZeneca’s vaccine. She did not have any known underlying health problems but developed blood clots after receiving the jab.

    On Thursday – over three months after her death – a coroner finally confirmed that Shaw died from complications that were suffered as a result of vaccination."

    The above makes it sound like AZ is unique in not being able to handle new strains. That is true for Pfizer and Moderna as well.
    We have moving goal posts evaluations. AZ was stopped in Canada (only people who already got the first does are allowed the second)
    before the South African strain became an issue.

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    Post  Mir Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:47 pm

    kvs wrote:

    The above makes it sound like AZ is unique in not being able to handle new strains.   That is true for Pfizer and Moderna as well.
    We have moving goal posts evaluations.   AZ was stopped in Canada (only people who already got the first does are allowed the second)
    before the South African strain became an issue.


    Yes absolutely and it is clearly illustrated in the comparative chart between Israel and India as well. Pfizer and Moderna are clearly struggling with the ability to cope with new strains. Also J&J has the same issue with blood clots and as you mentioned in your previous post we have very little say when it comes to choices. Sputnik V seems to have the best safety record by far but as a South African I can tell you there is basically zero chance that it will ever get the required approval here. The same goes for Canada and most other Western countries. It is pretty obvious that "saving lives" is not quite at the top of the priority list as they pretend to propagate on an hourly basis! Twisted Evil

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:10 am

    I get half the options you get KVS...

    If you listen to anti vaxxers all vaccines are poisons and the world is trying to kill you personally for some reason they never make very clear.... often it is the super rich trying to thin the herd, but you would think they would be more selective than that.

    If that is all true and Pfizer is a poison that will kill everyone then the unhappy people of South Africa should start building boats because after the 5 million New Zealanders get the jabs and all die there is going to be some really prime real estate here soon.

    A better analogy of the situation is that only your natural immune system can save you, but as with any test you can wing it or you can study.

    Getting vaccinated is all about showing your body what the previous questions in the exam were so the actual questions in the exam wont come as so much of a surprise. When you get study notes from different countries and you don't know exactly the exam you are doing then there is some risk you might learn stuff that is not in the exam and so you fail... the thing is that for a large portion of the population failing the exam is nothing at all... for many more it is a few weeks of feeling like crap and then life goes on, but for a lot of people it is death and not a nice death either. Different versions of the exam are different and as they have found in Israel the new more difficult exam has clearly totally different questions from the study notes they learned and so there are a lot of failures and a lot of spreading going on with the newer more contagious versions.

    If you get a choice of study notes then it makes sense to investigate your options and look at results from other countries for the different types of jabs for the different age groups and weight and health groups and taking the best choice you can take... there are no guarantees in exams... ever...

    The point is that preparing your body for the wrong virus is little help at all, but if it is free then who cares.

    With billions of people being vaccinated you are always going to get cases of people having adverse reactions... from a sore arm to death because of some adverse reaction... you can blame the vaccine... you might want to blame the health service for not anticipating things or the person themselves for ignoring symptoms...

    The point is that this is not going away if a sizeable percentage of the population refuse to cooperate and deal with this virus... it wont go away on its own.

    The I will be fine attitude can make you a carrier that could infect friends and family and even pets.

    There was one Mink farm in europe that had to destroy 15,000 mink because they were infected with Covid... is anyone checking their pets at all?

    Humans can observe a bubble, but cats and dogs can roam and mingle all day long...
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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:09 am

    GarryB wrote:

    If that is all true and Pfizer is a poison that will kill everyone then the unhappy people of South Africa should start building boats because after the 5 million New Zealanders get the jabs and all die there is going to be some really prime real estate here soon.

    This is more Vann's territory but you could be right! There is a conspiracy theory floating about on the web that when the big pole shift is going down (very soon apparently), that New Zealand is earmarked as the go to place for all the ruling elite. So ja you might be onto something there! Shocked Wink
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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:20 am

    Article from March 2021. Again, dunno if anything changes since then.

    https://www.dal.ca/news/2021/03/15/profits-trump-covid-19-protections-for-migrant-seafood-workers-i.html

    PROFITS TRUMP COVID‑19 PROTECTIONS FOR MIGRANT SEAFOOD WORKERS IN ATLANTIC CANADA

    With the travel ban restricting access to temporary foreign workers, employers considered lobbying the federal government to allow airlines to fly in foreign labour to Maritime airports. Other employers suggested they themselves would need to absorb the costs of chartered flights.

    Charter flights have been used since the onset of the pandemic. In the spring of 2020, Germany and the United Kingdom used chartered flights to fly in eastern European workers to meet national farming demands.

    Scholars and activists have been critical of this practice, asserting that these flights provide inadequate COVID-19 protections for the workers.

    Our preliminary findings, drawn from interviews with participants in Prince Edward Island, indicate that COVID-19 protective measures have been inconsistently implemented for temporary foreign workers.

    Migrant workers still frequently experience overcrowding and inadequate housing conditions. Many workers contend with precarious health and occupational conditions. And some experience illegal recruitment and employment practices, where much of the costs of employment are downloaded to the workers.

    Like the 2020 New Brunswick ban, the issue with January’s travel restrictions is twofold.

    First, temporary foreign workers are uncritically positioned as a threat to national populations. Second, arguments against the travel ban are framed solely from a business perspective, prioritizing the concerns of farmers and seafood-manufacturing companies over the health and well-being of the workers.

    Debates about public safety and temporary foreign workers continue largely without input from those whose health is likely to be most impacted. Migrant workers themselves are largely invisible amid abstract discussions about public risk. The narrative about the largely Black and brown people who work to put food on our tables paints them as risky, and ignores the steep price they’ve paid to work in Canada during the pandemic.

    A glaring example is the outbreak at the Cargill meat-packing plant in Alberta and the experiences of personal support workers.

    Government travel restrictions are used to protect the health and safety of some while potentially ignoring the health and safety of others. More specifically, while some argue for closing the borders to protect Canadians, others assert that migrant workers should be able to freely cross these boundaries, protecting Canadian food supplies while simultaneously putting their health at risk.

    These notions about who can and should move demonstrates that some people are more valuable than others. Citizens are protected at home. Others are labouring at farms, putting themselves at greater risk of being infected.
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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:13 pm

    With reference to Vann's earlier post >>

    2 people die in Japan after receiving Moderna Covid-19 shots from batch that was withdrawn due to foreign material in some vials

    https://www.rt.com/news/533323-japan-moderna-vaccination-deaths/

    "Two people have died in Japan after having received doses of the Moderna vaccine from a batch that was suspended as a precaution after some of the vials were contaminated with unknown foreign material."

    This foreign substance was visible to the naked eye. Again I have to ask how would this be even possible in a super sterile and super controlled manufacturing environment? Perhaps a glitch or even sabotage causing a mix up with the required amount of the substance[poison] needed? Idea dunno

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    Post  kvs Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:16 pm

    The anti-vaxxers are a canard and a useful one for the clowns pushing Pfizer and Moderna.

    1) Anti-vaxxers had legitimate complaints about the unsafe preservatives used in older vaccines such as ethylmercury. Whether
    ethylated or methylated, mercury is a super neurotoxin. A tiny amount of methylmercury that penetrated the latex glove of a
    Dartmouth University researcher killed her in weeks. Smaller doses are not safe. So the term "anti-vaxxer" is the same smear
    as "conspiracy theorist". Even if some of them are paranoid schizophrenics does not mean that we live in a paradise world.

    2) mRNA concoctions are unsafe and unproven for anything but the short term. But even in the short term they cause allergic
    reactions, blood clots, heart damage and neurological damage. Nobody has provided a single reason why these concoctions
    have to be taken instead of either the old style virus fragments or relatively newer adenovirus vector vaccines. People really
    are dumb. These things cannot be given the benefit of the doubt, especially when there are risks that can be identified that
    have not been demonstrated to be negligible. This benefit of the doubt reflex is why we have more and more carcinogens in
    the environment every year because precious, rotten governments do not regulate 99.999% of industrial chemicals. They
    cannot regulate them when there have been no studies on their effects. And most regulated pollutants were fixed in the law
    in the early 1970s and have not been changed since then (at least in Canada and the USA). But these industrial chemicals
    happen to fall into the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon category which actual science demonstrates are carcinogens.

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    Post  kvs Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:19 pm

    Mir wrote:With reference to Vann's earlier post >>

    2 people die in Japan after receiving Moderna Covid-19 shots from batch that was withdrawn due to foreign material in some vials

    https://www.rt.com/news/533323-japan-moderna-vaccination-deaths/

    "Two people have died in Japan after having received doses of the Moderna vaccine from a batch that was suspended as a precaution after some of the vials were contaminated with unknown foreign material."

    This foreign substance was visible to the naked eye. Again I have to ask how would this be even possible in a super sterile and super controlled manufacturing environment? Perhaps a glitch or even sabotage causing a mix up with the required amount of the substance[poison] needed? Idea  dunno

    Too much faith in profit-driven corporate prowess. These clowns are the same as Tesla and are cutting corners where they can to feed
    bigger bonuses to their CEOs and higher dividends to their shareholders. Meanwhile the paid whore shill western MSM spreads propaganda
    about Sputnik V being unsafe and unproven.



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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:40 pm

    Truly well spoken there my friend! Every day things are becoming more and more apparent. Call me paranoid or conspiracy theorist or whatever you like, it is clear as crystal that this is a total onslaught against every aspect of our civil liberties. We will have to do our part to fight back otherwise this shit is never going to end.

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