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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:21 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Can you be less of a retard papa? Quoting CNN makes you more of a retard than the anti vax morons.

    Death rates aren't even that excessive considering the situation, especially since it isn't much out of the norm of the yearly rates in Russia.

    Morons have vaccine(s) and they refuse to take them

    Morons pay for fake vaccine certificates instead of getting a vaccine for free

    Even CNN can't believe what a pile of morons they are so of course I'm quoting them, reactions are amazing, just watch their faces

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    Post  kvs Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:31 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:That's the thing. They say there is an upsurge in dead due to Covid but what is the proof?  I agree with KVS, there would be videos of overflowing hospitals.

    Surveys are shit, especially Levadas center.  You can skew anything. But one thing is for certain, Russians are indeed.playing with their lives in refusing vaccine for no reason.

    It is the western sponsored 5th column that is agitating Russians not to take Russian vaccines.   These 5th column maggots are spreading all the obsolete
    talking points about Russian vaccines being dangerous and unproven.   Yeah, it's idiots who listen to these scumbags that are responsible for their actions,
    but citing western anti-Russian propaganda rags to bash Russia on account of NATzO funded anti-vaxxer activity in Russia is thick and rich BS.


    If that was the case, then that means 78% of the Russian population believe 5th columnists lies and so thus Putin is actually hated?

    No, I don't believe that. If the population believed the 5th columnists, Putin would have been overthrown.

    It's something else tbh.

    Your logic is broken. The 78% is not actual anti-vaxxers, it reflects the spinup lag in the vaccine distribution. Russian vaccine production in
    the first quarter of this year was still small. It was not 30 million doses like now. And distribution of the vaccine in Russia takes time.

    Also, the death toll in Russia is among the 60+ age bracket like everywhere else on the planet. Mortality from alcohol and bad eating habits
    takes more lives than Covid in this age range. This is a crisis only in the minds of Russia critics.



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    Post  kvs Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:35 pm

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/

    Total covid deaths: 134,545 since the beginning early last year.

    Total deaths from heart attacks: about 600,000 per year.

    If we care about people over 60 so much.

    Current daily covid deaths: 652

    This is under covid peak conditions. Wake me up when this gets serious.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:13 am

    We still haven't started general population vaccinations and wont start till the end of next month so the only people currently vaccinated against Covid are frontline healthcare workers and various other police and other people who contact lots of people and would be a serious spreading vector if they caught it.

    Russia just needs to make sure they focus on vaccinating the over 60s and people with respiratory issues... the rest can and likely will get sick but are unlikely to die from this.

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:23 am

    hehe.. i should be paid from writing articles on international politics , because almost word by word , point by point , what i have been saying about this pandemic for a year already ,is being repeated by major true alternative websites , like the UNZ review.  And you can easily notice is not my review ,because he is fluent english writer and don't make the millions of mistakes i do . lol1


    So everywhere in this forum should look at this article, it confirms every thing i said , 100%
    about covid19 pandemic.

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    The Covid BioWeapon: Made in the USA, Aimed at China

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    “…..we are left with the strong likelihood that Covid came from a laboratory (and) was designed as a bioweapon… China was the intended target (and) America seems the likely source of the attack… The most likely suspects would be rogue elements of our national security establishment… The virus and its dispersal devices might have been obtained from Ft. Detrick and CIA operatives… would have been sent to Wuhan to release it.”  


    Given our ongoing military and geopolitical confrontation with China, America seems the likely source of the attack… The most likely suspects would be rogue elements of our national security establishment, probably some of the Deep State Neocons whom Trump had placed near the top of his administration.

    This small handful of high-level plotters would have then drawn upon the resources of the American national security apparatus to actually carry out the operation. The virus and its dispersal devices might have been obtained from Ft. Detrick and CIA operatives or members of special forces would have been sent to Wuhan to release it…. In effect, what happened was a Dr. Strangelove-type scenario, but brought to real life.”

    Ron Unz– As everyone knows, over the last month the entire “mainstream narrative” of the Covid outbreak has been completely overturned. Just a few weeks ago, anyone suggesting the virus was artificial was denounced and ridiculed as a “conspiracy theorist” and any such statements were automatically banned by Facebook.

    But exactly these same prohibited ideas are now widely accepted and promoted by leading figures in the media and political establishments. The 45-year veteran of the New York Times who spearheaded its Covid coverage has now admitted that he was completely mistaken, and that the virus probably came from a lab. The three billion Facebook users can now openly discuss this possibility.

    The total collapse of this “natural virus” propaganda-bubble was produced by a self-published 11,000 word article by longtime science journalist Nicholas Wade. Yet the astonishing thing is that almost none of the crucial facts he cited in his article were new. Nearly all of Wade’s important evidence had been publicly available for a full year, but was simply ignored by our entire political and media establishment, partly because Trump took that position and they all hated Trump.

    So the virus probably came from a lab. But the question now becomes “which lab?” Just as the MSM had promoted the totally unsubstantiated belief that Covid was natural, the MSM has now begun promoting the equally unsubstantiated belief that Covid accidentally leaked from China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology. However, the evidence of any such Wuhan lab-leak is so thin as to be almost invisible.

    It’s true that Chinese researchers at that lab were experimenting with related bat viruses, but many American researchers were doing very similar experiments, and for decades bat viruses have also been the central focus of America’s huge biowarfare program.

    Wuhan is an enormously large metropolis of 11 million, much larger than New York City, and the Wuhan lab is located 20 miles(!) from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, which was the earliest epicenter of the Wuhan outbreak. A distance of 20 miles seems pretty far for an accidental lab-leak.

    Immediately after the initial Wuhan outbreak, the virus began infecting Iran’s top political elites, and killing a number of them. Isn’t it implausible that a random lab-leak in Wuhan would so quickly jump to the Holy City of Qom on the other side of the world?

    If we did release the Covid bioweapon in Wuhan, it’s pretty unlikely that we were able to recruit local Chinese agents to carry out the operation.




    Question for everyone that have been for 1 year , entire 2020 denying any biological war happening , and defending western vaccines as "Safe" and saying this is a "natural virus" from a natural pandemic. or that defend western new theory ,that indeed came from wuhan... question ...

     What would Americans think if 300 Chinese military officers paid an extended visit to Chicago, and immediately afterwards a mysterious, deadly viral epidemic suddenly broke out in that city?

    The idea the virus came from US military that attended the wuhan olympics is not crazy ,
    is common sense thinking . When there is a crime scene anywhere ,the very first thing you investigate is who were there , and who will benefit from this ? and guess which is the answer to both of those questions?

    1) who were present in the crime scene?
    the american military delegation and many other nato delegations where there too , in the fish market in wuhan ,near the olympic stadium.

    2)if this is a crime a biowarfare attack ,who will benefit from a major epidemy in china?
    absolutely America and their anglo allied nations . trump was trying very hard to break china
    economy , to destroy it with sanctions , and the most natural though is that they were so desperate
    to break china ,that used a biological weapon to stop them.

    3)and what if any investigation shows US government officials warned students in an university of a major world pandemic ,before it happen ?  and that trump was going to face it ? as anthony faucci did? then likely he either are good predicting future events or he was complicit ,part of this operation .same with all western billionaires predicting a pandemic soon. there is no other way, a computer simulation can't predict the wallstreets markets ,that they have a ton of data ,
    even less any computer simulation like western billionaires had, could predict a pandemic ever. specially if we never faced anything similar in the past 100 years.

    4)then if you are investigating a crime scene ,and discover someone tampering the data , to mislead
    people about the real facts of the crime ?  like artificially inflating the covid19 numbers ,as US have been asking to doctors ,to falsify the real numbers,... wouldn't that suggest they are playing games
    with the lives of people? forcing millions of people to close their small business?

    5)then you have the real accident , briefly documented at fort detrick that western media called
    a mysterious respiratory illness and did forced the shot down of a military base of biological virus research.

    so anyone that look at just the facts , will see a very high probability ,the west is playing games
    and is behind this covid19 pandemic , whether it was intentional or a western accident , any can debate ,but is suspicious indeed. that is trying to use the pandemy ,to isolate china from the world ,
    and is blocking nations as they do with venezuela from receiving vaccines from united nations.

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-covid-bioweapon-made-in-the-usa-aimed-at-china/
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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:24 pm

    GarryB wrote:We still haven't started general population vaccinations and wont start till the end of next month so the only people currently vaccinated against Covid are frontline healthcare workers and various other police and other people who contact lots of people and would be a serious spreading vector if they caught it.

    Russia just needs to make sure they focus on vaccinating the over 60s and people with respiratory issues... the rest can and likely will get sick but are unlikely to die from this.

    Getting naturally infected and recovering is ideal. It avoids all of the issues with vaccination even if they are small. So targeting groups where the choice of
    no vaccination means death or extreme sickness is optimal use of resources. In Canada we worked down the age ladder in stages, Russia I think is doing the
    same. So the 78% does not reflect the risk of death from covid because the over 60 part of the population is around 20%.

    Thanks for the post Garry, it made me wake up to another argument why the hysterical Gruniad article is BS.

    PD is the real congenital idiot infesting these threads. Another troll using NATzO propaganda to pollute this forum.

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:49 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Also, the death toll in Russia is among the 60+ age bracket like everywhere else on the planet.   Mortality from alcohol and bad eating habits
    takes more lives than Covid in this age range.   This is a crisis only in the minds of Russia critics.




    There are extremist rusophobic people , that are completely all bad about russia , and there are extremist fanboys, that they are the opposite , and is all good for russia russia. you are from the latest group.


    Lies are bad , no matter if they downplay or worship anyone . stop the bullshit worshiping of russia dude, this doesn't do any good , fabricate lies ,just to make russia look good.

    Russian government media   www.rt.com  and sputniknews.com  they are all saying there is major crisis happening now in moscow with a major rise of infections , like never russia faced before ,at record levels , and they are saying hospitals are operating at their limits. the delta variant of india is causing huge problems in russia  now , according to Russian media.

    so bad is the problem that now putin is ordering mandatory vaccinations , that you need an id covid vaccinated card , to enter in any restaurant or closed space , not even US is demanding this. so russia is moving into a dictatorship , demanding people forced vaccinations.  i understand the reasons why they doing this , they don't want things to go out of control , but don't ever claim ,
    that is all fine in russia dude.. because is not, stop being such a radical fanboy that russia can't do no wrong ,that is all great , because russian government media , have many weeks already saying is facing a major problem with covid cases and deaths..   interestingly with a virus , that had nothing to do with the wuhan one , the vaccines of russia only deal with the spike protein ,not with a totally different virus . The delta variant of india , is like a new virus , and should be seen like a new virus , and the only one to blame for all this disaster ,is putin , for opening the nation for the bullshit sport tourism.   he is one of the most stupid president in the world today , who opens the nation for tourism ,when they facing a crisis ?  in the middle of a pandemic?  im sure russian scientist will find a way to counter it , but don't downplay the problems of russia as you always do. for pure fanboysm. Putin is not taking seriously the west , that is at war with russia and will not mind using today pandemic ,regardless of how it all started , and  manipulate things here or there , to bring down russia economy with a virus.

    someone need to remove that idiot president from power ,before he totally destroy russia as soviet union late leaders partially did, you don't invite international sport tourism events , as russia is doing , in the middle of a pandemic ,specially when you are struggling to control the virus infections.
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:36 pm

    https://tass.ru/obschestvo/11783073

    Google Translate wrote:Guatemala applied for a refund of funds paid for "Sputnik V"

    The RDIF said that the batch of the drug is expected to be delivered to the country in the near future

    The Guatemalan authorities decided to apply for a refund of funds paid for the Russian Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine due to insufficient supplies of the drug to the country. The head of the Ministry of Health Maria Amelia Flores announced this at a meeting with parliament members on Tuesday.

    According to Flores, the Ministry of Health sent a letter to the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), giving a response five days from the date of its receipt. After this period, the Guatemalan office can take legal action, she said. Guatemala Foreign Minister Pedro Brolo, who visited Russia last week, said earlier  that a large batch of Sputnik V should be sent to the republic at the end of this week.

    An RDIF spokesman confirmed to TASS that the consignment of the drug is expected to be delivered to the country in the near future. "Another plane with the Sputnik V vaccine is to arrive in Guatemala this week. Another plane carrying the vaccine will arrive early next week as part of the fulfillment of contractual obligations," the fund said.

    According to Prensa Libre, Guatemala paid 50% (about $ 80 million) for 16 million doses of Sputnik V, but has received only 150,000 doses so far. The authorities of the Central American Republic registered the Russian drug in February.

    To date, more than 292 thousand cases of coronavirus infection have been laboratory confirmed in Guatemala. Died 9 147 infected patients, 264.4 thousand recovered. During the vaccination campaign, the authorities used over 925 thousand doses of vaccines. The first dose was received by 767.3 thousand people, both - almost 158 ​​thousand.
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    Post  kvs Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:11 pm

    If they are not happy, they should shell out (through the nose) for Pfizer and Moderna products.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:33 pm

    kvs wrote:PD is the real congenital idiot infesting these threads.   Another troll using NATzO propaganda to pollute this forum

    If you have something to say please address it directly to me instead of barking around like a dickless chihuahua



    kvs wrote:If they are not happy, they should shell out (through the nose) for Pfizer and Moderna products.

    They will as soon as Russian give them back their money

    I just wonder what will Russians do now with all those vaccines they don't want to use so badly that they are paying real money for fake vaccination certificates?



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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:46 pm

    https://summit.news/2021/07/01/fauci-there-are-now-two-americas-the-vaccinated-and-the-unvaccinated/

    America’s favourite Chinese lab funding coronavirus doomonger doctor Anthony Fauci announced Tuesday that there are now two Americas, a vaccinated America and an unvaccinated America.

    In an appearance on Dom Lemon’s CNN panic hour, Fauci declared that “When you have such a low level of vaccination super-imposed upon a variant that has a high degree of efficiency of spread, what you are going to see among under-vaccinated regions, states, cities or counties you’re going to see these individual types of blips. It’s almost like it’s going to be two Americas.”

    “You’re going to have areas where vaccination rate is high, where more than 70% of the population received at least one dose,” he continued, adding “When you compare that to areas where you may have 35% of the people vaccinated, you clearly have a high risk of seeing these spikes in those selected areas.”

    Inevitably, Fauci concluded “The thing that’s so frustrating about this, Don, is that this is entirely avoidable, entirely preventable.”

    “If you are vaccinated, you diminish dramatically your risk of getting infected and even more dramatically your risk of getting seriously ill. If you are not vaccinated, you are at considerable risk,” Fauci once again repeated.

    What drivel. Vaccines don't stop you from getting infected! They help your immune system to respond faster in producing the correct antibodies to
    disrupt virus particles and thus stopping them from infecting more cells. That is all that vaccines do. Your immune system does all the real work
    fighting off any disease.

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:31 pm



    Russia government says is under a major emergency , facing major problems ..

    We are living through an emergency’: Kremlin says tough new Covid-19 rules required as country grapples with rise in infections

    https://www.rt.com/russia/528120-kremlin-tough-rules-required-pandemic/

    sputniknews is also saying the same thing..

    looks like true news to me.

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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:59 pm

    Vann7 wrote:

    Russia government says is under a major emergency , facing major problems ..

    We are living through an emergency’: Kremlin says tough new Covid-19 rules required as country grapples with rise in infections

    https://www.rt.com/russia/528120-kremlin-tough-rules-required-pandemic/

    sputniknews is also saying the same thing..

    looks like true news to me.



    Looks like BS to me no matter who says it. Scaled by population it still much smaller than what we had in the USA and most of Europe.

    You are spreading FUD.

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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:01 am

    kvs wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:

    Russia government says is under a major emergency , facing major problems ..

    We are living through an emergency’: Kremlin says tough new Covid-19 rules required as country grapples with rise in infections

    https://www.rt.com/russia/528120-kremlin-tough-rules-required-pandemic/

    sputniknews is also saying the same thing..

    looks like true news to me.



    Looks like BS to me no matter who says it.   Scaled by population it still much smaller than what we had in the USA and most of Europe.

    You are spreading FUD.


    me? im posting what russian media is saying. Rolling Eyes



    The Kremlin has said that harsh public health measures are absolutely necessary to save lives and protect people as Russia sees a steep Delta-variant driven rise in coronavirus cases and a record number of daily deaths, this week.
    Speaking to Channel One news on Thursday, President Vladimir Putin’s press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, warned that the situation was extremely challenging. “There are difficulties,” he said, “and we can expect that they will go on because we are living through an emergency.”

    “Another outbreak of coronavirus in Moscow and across the Russian Federation dictates the need for tough measures,” the Kremlin official added. Cases have spiked sharply in the past fortnight, and earlier this week the country twice broke the record for its highest number of daily deaths since the start of the pandemic.

    New rules requiring residents of the capital to scan QR codes before entering bars, restaurants, and cafes came into force on Monday. Only those who have received two doses of a vaccine, recovered from coronavirus in the past six months, or have a clean PCR test from the past three days are eligible.



    so russian government and its russian owned media are lying about an emergency that don't exist?  Laughing


    alright , i used to think you were smatter than that..  but seems i was wrong.  No


    if you are going to trash what russia government is saying ,you need to provide your sources
    , evidence that contradict ,what the press secretary of putin is saying , otherwise, stop spreading
    lies .show your evidence , where it is ? that those russian government media claims are not true?
    you opinions alone , proof nothing , show your sources , your reports discrediting what russian owned media is saying.


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    Post  Mir Fri Jul 02, 2021 2:16 pm

    ANY virus (man-made or natural) works in the same way. It's basic science.

    Any new virus needs to adapt to it's host otherwise it will kill off the host and the virus itself will die in the process. In other words the virus needs to mutate in order live inside the host.

    With each mutation (and there can be several) the virus gets MORE contagious but LESS dangerous to it's host. Both will learn to live with each other. That is basically herd immunity.

    Covid-19 is no different despite the mainstream narrative.
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    Post  Mir Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:00 pm

    The reason why I say the mainstream narrative is BS is perfectly illustrated in a very recent court case in Portugal.

    A pulmonary disease doctor named Andre Dias petitioned a Lisbon court to provide verified COVID-19 mortality data.

    According to the ruling the number of verified COVID-19 deaths from January 2020 to April 2021 is only 152, and not around 17,000 as claimed by government ministries.

    These 152 COVID deaths in Portugal was from January 1, 2020, to April 18, 2021.

    All the “others” died for various reasons, although their PCR test was positive.

    I am quite certain that this is a universal "trend" and the governments and the media is running with it.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:17 pm

    Getting naturally infected and recovering is ideal. It avoids all of the issues with vaccination even if they are small.

    Not really... we have no idea what the long term effects of getting Covid 19 actually are... there might be long term damage to lungs or brain or anything really... in such a situation any vaccine would be better than risking this virus...

    So targeting groups where the choice of
    no vaccination means death or extreme sickness is optimal use of resources.

    Optimal use of resources means lethal injections for the long term unemployed and those incapable of working...

    Vaccinating everyone would potentially result in the elimination of this virus from the food chain so to speak.

    sputniknews is also saying the same thing..

    looks like true news to me.

    But you claim it is all a hoax. Global Pandemic... look both words up and think about what they mean when you put them together...

    so russian government and its russian owned media are lying about an emergency that don't exist?

    Might come as a shock but Russian government owned media is not the same as Russian government controlled media... unlike the BBC or CNN or MSNBC.

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    Post  Mir Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:48 pm

    Some more interesting info:

    According to David Martin, PHD (Founder of IQ100 index and a National Intelligence Analyst) the Covid-19 has a long and dark history.

    It all started back in November 1998 when a patent was granted on the Corona Virus by the Utrecht University in the Nederland's (WO 1998049195A1). The same University was granted another patent on the Corona virus in November 2002 (WO2002092827A2).

    Then in March 2003 the SARS outbreak in China occurred. At the same time the CDC (Centre for Disease Control) patented the Corona Virus (US727937B2). Not only that, they also patented the measurements of the virus and it's detection. That effectively means that no unauthorized person can study the virus or manufacture a test kit for it.

    The CDC, Dr Fauchi and Dr Baric and many other well known players controlled the cash flow for research and development of the Corona Virus, and in 2003 the CDC patented the Corona Virus Transmitted to Humans (US7776521B1).
    The interesting thing with all these patents regarding the Corona Virus, is that nature is prohibited from being patented, which means for the patent to be legal it had to be human engineered. However if a gain of function virus was created it would be illegal under the Biological and Chemical Weapons Treaty.

    By the way the notion that Covid-19 was human engineered was not so long ago regarded as Conspiracy Theory. Now it is sort of acknowledged as a possibility by the very same Dr Fauchi.

    Because of these legal implications it was therefore decided, that because this gain of function research violated the Bio Weapons Treaty, that the research would continue offshore. Somewhere between 2014 and 2015 fully funded research, by the above players, started at the Wuhan lab in China.

    The rest is history.

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:50 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Getting naturally infected and recovering is ideal. It avoids all of the issues with vaccination even if they are small.

    Not really... we have no idea what the long term effects of getting Covid 19 actually are... there might be long term damage to lungs or brain or anything really... in such a situation any vaccine would be better than risking this virus...


    I am not clear about what your point is. Vaccines do not prevent Covid-19 infections. That is regardless of any long term and negative impacts of Covid-19.
    Vaccines do not prevent getting sick with different strains this seen in the fact that people who take flu vaccines still get sick with the flu. Vaccines only
    prevent sickness in the specific strains that they were developed with. All the people who have mild or no symptoms from Covid-19 do not need vaccination
    except for potentially new strains that may be more lethal. But this is not the pattern with pandemics. The initial phase is the most virulent and over time
    both the hosts and the microbe change to reach a sustainable (as opposed to extinction) equilibrium.

    Vaccines have typically used adjuvants such as those based on aluminum. They were also preserved with ethlymercury. Given that both of these can
    and do have negative impact on the neural system, it cannot be said that the virus is always worse. For some it is a matter of the lesser evil. For others,
    who can get over an infection naturally, the choice is not to vaccinate.

    To repeat, vaccines only prime the immune system. They do not substitute for it. People think that vaccines are some sort of "cure". BS. They are pieces
    of the virus or bacteria that require an immune system to make antibodies. They are not even like antivenom which directly neutralizes venom since it
    consists of antibodies created to attack the venom. Virus pieces do not neutralize viruses.

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:51 pm

    Mir wrote:The reason why I say the mainstream narrative is BS is perfectly illustrated in a very recent court case in Portugal.

    A pulmonary disease doctor named Andre Dias petitioned a Lisbon court to provide verified COVID-19 mortality data.

    According to the ruling the number of verified COVID-19 deaths from January 2020 to April 2021 is only 152, and not around 17,000 as claimed by government ministries.

    These 152 COVID deaths in Portugal was from January 1, 2020, to April 18, 2021.

    All the “others” died for various reasons, although their PCR test was positive.

    I am quite certain that this is a universal "trend" and the governments and the  media is running with it.

    The testing positive being called a "case" is ludicrous. A case can only be where there is actual sickness.
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    But you claim it is all a hoax. Global Pandemic... look both words up and think about what they mean when you put them together...


    And for the million plus one time , i never told , never claimed that there is not a global pandemic , or that the virus is fake.  What is fake is that the official narrative of the west , of how the virus started , and who is to blame for it , also told ,the west is manipulating its numbers . "  

    And because you continue repeating this lies , you proof that you are part of the very dishonest people in the forum , that are ready to spread lies , just to "win" debates , even using disinformation of things i never said.  you should work for CNN , that talks and talks but never backup with evidence anything, show me any evidence i ever said that the virus is not real ?

    Can't be called a pandemic technically speaking   , because is not a natural thing from mother nature ,that spread from animals to humans without human interference , around the world , is not a pandemic , is a biological war , and likely using a virus that originated from nature ,but that they modified it in a lab , and a virus that likely work in pairs , in combination something else , could be a previous vaccine shot ,that make it more viral , or even poisonous food ,or chemicals ,that damage the body defenses  




    Might come as a shock but Russian government owned media is not the same as Russian government controlled media... unlike the BBC or CNN or MSNBC.



    But the claims that russia is facing a real covid emergency Does not come from the media , the media is the messenger , the claims does not comes from "anomymous sources" as usually the western media use as "fact" but the information comes from none less than Dmitry Peskov which is the secretary of press of Putin  

    is Dimity Peskov a liar ?  confused

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    Dmitry Peskov  <---  This man is saying Russia is facing a real emergency covid19 crisis , and so Putin is saying this too , when demanding mandatory vaccinations in all population who wants to go outside to buy anything in any business.

    again show your evidence , the secret information you have , and kvs apparently too ,that is not sharing with the forum , that debunk all this russian government , and russian government owned media claims ,that Russia facing a real emergency crisis , like never they had before , with hospitals at maximum capacity. they now forcing population into mandatory vaccinations , if want to buy anything outside. they now have a record number of deaths , surpassing UK according to russian RT reports. so show me your sources , your evidence that russia government is lying about this?

    Indeed it will be interesting to see those conspiration theories that now all russian media ,rt ,sputniknews ,tass ,and russian government top officials have been hijacket by aliens , and now lying.  lol1  lol1

    im not a fan of putin , but not even me accused him of being a pathetic liar . His crimes is to be incredibly stupid , a real moron , and a highly insecure incompetent President ,that wasted 21 years of russia with his mediocre gas station economy  ,but generally speaking most times he tells the truth .


    heck according to WHO  


    https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&mid=%2Fm%2F02j71&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

    According to WHO official numbers , that each nation government release to them ,Russia federation is surpassing the combined deaths of the european union in the previous 2 weeks and reaching the numbers of 50% of those of india . ,who have 10x times bigger population. and a million times worst public health conditions.


    7,780 deaths in 2 weeks of covid19 , this is a disaster.
    But from an incompetent idiot at the head of the nation nothing surprise me , one that is so desperate for a few euros , that keep keep tourism open and sports going as business as usual.
    is not a crisis , no idea what will be a definition of crisis for you .

    How embarrassing is that russia who was helping europe and the world with their covid19 problems , is now facing the world worst death rates after India.   No

    This proof how sick , fanboys and trolls can be , on the internet , you can show them all the facts and genuined evidence in the world ,and they will stick to their trolling and show no evidence to backup not even a word of their claims.   like i said before , i backup all my information with reliable sources ,with evidence . those who argue with me on this emergency russian is facing , show zero evidence to backup their claims ,that everything is great in russia with the pandemic.


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    Post  Mir Fri Jul 02, 2021 7:40 pm

    Some interesting figures regarding pandemics:

    The Black Death (1346-1353) was the most devastating pandemic in human history (that we know of). An estimated 75 million - 200 million people died.

    The well known Spanish Flu (1918-1820) was another cruel pandemic. An estimated 17-100 million people died.

    As of today Covid-19 claimed nearly 4 million lives SINCE the start of the pandemic.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


    According to https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-rankings-total-deaths

    In the year 2018 I would like to highlight the following: (rounded down)

    9.4 million people died of Coronary Heart Disease
    3 million from Lung Disease (excl 1.6 from lung cancer)
    2.9 million from Influenza and Pneumonia
    1.5 million from Diabetes
    1.2 million from Tuberculosis
    1 million from HIV/AIDS
    800 thousand from Hypertension

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    Post  Mir Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:12 pm

    In 2019 the UN predicted the birth and death rates up to the year 2099.
    Keep in mind that what follows was predicted well before the pandemic.

    The first graph predicts a birth rate that steadily declines FROM the around 2050 (and that's a good thing)
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    The second graph shows the predicted death rate showing a radical rise in deaths from...the year 2020!
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    https://ourworldindata.org/births-and-deaths

    Enough conspiracy theory stuff for tonight Laughing

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:15 pm

    The games with numbers also pertain to the death toll. There are examples of deaths being counted as Covid-19 but which resulted
    from other factors. Just as with the "cases" BS, we have deliberate inflation of the "Covid deaths" as well.

    I think this explains the difference in Covid-19 cases and deaths compared to NATzO. NATzO is fluffing up both to justify lockdowns
    while screeching about Russia "underestimating" its numbers. And we have useful idiots or malicious actors like PD spreading this
    FUD on this forum.

    For sure, Covid-19 is killing people. But just how many is not too clear. Hospitals are no longer flooded in the west, but we have more
    Draconian measures being put in place compared to last spring-summer. Smells of social engineering to me.

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    Post  Vann7 Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:24 pm

    Mir wrote:Some interesting figures regarding pandemics:

    The Black Death (1346-1353) was the most devastating pandemic in human history (that we know of). An estimated 75 million - 200 million people died.

    The well known Spanish Flu (1918-1820) was another cruel pandemic. An estimated 17-100 million people died.

    As of today Covid-19 claimed nearly 4 million lives SINCE the start of the pandemic.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


    According to https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-rankings-total-deaths

    In the year 2018 I would like to highlight the following: (rounded down)

    9.4 million people died of Coronary Heart Disease
    3 million from Lung Disease (excl 1.6 from lung cancer)
    2.9 million from Influenza and Pneumonia
    1.5 million from Diabetes
    1.2 million from Tuberculosis
    1 million from HIV/AIDS
    800 thousand from Hypertension


    indeed ,  i don't think covid19 is the most dangerous thing the world have , cancer and heart attacks diabetes are worse , in terms of deaths .  but what is worrying is  that Russia government , official numbers of covid19 deaths , is surpassing the entire Europe + UK combined in death rates. And the EU have 4-5 times the population of russia .So because i have no reason to think Russian doctors are lying , with their numbers , neither putin , or its entire government about something so serious like the pandemic ... (Russia is not the west) ,  so is kind of eye opening that they are reporting so much more deaths , that the vast majority of the planet , and only india and brazil surpass russia numbers.

    Russia covid19 numbers are so high , because putin have allowed those international tourist to freely enter in russia and freely move everywhere . they don't even enforce face mask in russia or distancing. so who is to blame for this ? aliens from space? or the russian government? and who controls the russian governments? all major problems of russia , all the roads of disaster ,always leads to the incompetent president of Russia. That he knows his nation is facing war , and that the NATO west will be capable of sending thousands of infected covid19 tourist to Russia , still he don't give a shit , and keep borders open for sports tourism . Just last week thousands of polish tourist were attending football games in russia. And you cannot properly verify if someone have covid19 or not , or hiding any substance with viruses. Russia keep borders open for enemy nations ,including turkey and later the government is surprised ,they have so many covid19 numbers. Rolling Eyes


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