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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:34 pm


    I was curious who wrote that but I didn't want to give them a click

    My bet it was that moron Kasparov, sounds like him

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:48 am

    Normally anything by him includes that it was said by a former world chess champion... as if that means anything... or gives him some special authority.
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:43 am

    Here is the author https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Will
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:19 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Here is the author https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Will

    I recall this clown being a real cold warrior back in the 1980s. Still pushing the same BS.

    To clowns like him: Russia and most of the planet does not need your "civilization". It is a total fraud.
    Go back to reading Fukuyama's garbage.


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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:58 am

    The hard part of this whole story is the worst one.
    It means that ze Wezt does not recognize any culture and civilization other than their own.
    A usual westerner does not know, that there are several other civilizations on this planet, and actually some of them are much older and stronger fundamented.
    That is really scary because if one does not recognize the other's way of living, it is a straight path to hell.
    Russia does not need western civilization. They own one.
    Either does China, India, nor Indonesia, Myanma, Vietnam...
    Opium Wars are over. Time to recognize that fact.

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    Post  andalusia Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:36 am

    It is a dirty shame that Olympic Games in the past have left a lot of white elephants and such a waste of money.  The billions of dollars spent in Brazil could have been used to build housing and schools for their desperately poor citizens.  It is such insanity:


    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/tokyo-summer-olympics/images-show-abandoned-olympic-venues-around-the-world/2563311/?_osource=SocialFlowFB_CHBrand&fbclid=IwAR2Zt7flbDJz9PVC6HC-1v5blS94ScRbjDVRsH-ip7UmpqR_m-DOzuP9kuw
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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:49 pm

    You have to pay a fine for that in many cities.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:22 am

    The really sad thing is that while some homeless people are mentally ill, which is bad enough in itself, but many are just people living on the limit who miss a payment and once you get off the ladder it is so hard to get back on without help.

    There was a documentary about this guy making mini houses... essentially tiny little houses smaller than a shipping crate for the homeless to sleep safely, to store their things while finding work, etc etc... when you are on the street and you haven't washed in a month and you are wearing the only clothes you have, what chance do you have to get a job, or open a bank account?

    If there is no way out then their numbers are only going to increase.

    Edit: The irony that someone can have 10 homes around the world, and they don't pay a cent in tax because they have good accountants that make sure they pay as little as possible, but it is the poor person with no place to live that is the criminal...
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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:35 am

    This is just ham-fisted government policy. It is hiding the problem form sight so that people do not begin to question the propaganda
    narratives about how rich America is. There has been an explosion of homelessness in the USA since 2008 which had the worst
    jobless recovery in US history and the number of people in this category is about to explode again due to the end of the eviction
    moratorium.

    The only possible legal measures against the homeless should be against aggressive panhandlers. But that is not a universal feature
    of homeless people.
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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:59 am



    The intellectual rot in the west is terminal. The universities are the institutions where all the leaders and professional
    classes get their start. Even if some make it on their own, that is not enough to support the system. So the up and
    coming generation of the key cadres of society are all brainwashed lemmings who do not really know how to think and
    are programmed to operate on inane ideology.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:22 am

    kvs wrote:

    The intellectual rot in the west is terminal.   The universities are the institutions where all the leaders and professional
    classes get their start.    Even if some make it on their own, that is not enough to support the system.   So the up and
    coming generation of the key cadres of society are all brainwashed lemmings who do not really know how to think and
    are programmed to operate on inane ideology.  


    I like the discussions, a lot of what the people he interviews say, and certainly on all the examples of loons and their sophistries brought up I can completely agree with him

    But on the whole my impression of Jordan Peterson can be summed up by a comment I read somewhere once. Basically he's an intellectual for the psuedo-intellectuals. Not for real intellectuals.

    He is either incapable of delving more deeply into the issues or he chooses not to. He's a hack.

    And it doesn't escape the notice of my sense of irony, that for all the reversal of the American racial social order and the justified outrage over the same thing being built back up - only against the other side this time
    That he himself actually a good example of 'white supremacism' or what it should really be called - 'western supremacism', and is a legitimate target for that accusation even if most other folks aren't.

    Because he's the type that would be the very first to talk about the 'democratic world' and 'civilized world', and the 'uncivilized world' starting with Russia and China.

    He should rather simply screw his head on and admit the obvious. That the development of society, academic debate, mass media, etc... in America is not fully deterministic nor organic, in fact it's being pushed down from the top by the elites and whatever agenda they have. Along with the political system itself and everything else; it's all dominated by the rich and powerful, and if they want a new ideology or religion for whatever purpose then that's what will be instituted. It's not a matter of 'cowardice' or some minorities with no-one sponsoring them organically taking over the system or whatever else. Behind every such thing money and power is involved.
    I can go into why I think this is being done; it's to do with the changing demographics in America, the 2-party system in the US itself, and globalist ambitions of the establishment in the wider world - but that's sort of besides the point. The point is what the elites say - goes.

    And that the current state of things is not fundamentally different from that which it has always been.
    America has always described itself as a bastion of freedom, free thought, equality.. and relative to most of the world indeed it has been.
    However the dark side of that is that for most of that period that description indeed only applied to white men (and even then not Irish, Jews or Italians until the 20th century), preferably rich or connected ones. And now it continues to describe itself as such but various minorities have been artificially empowered while conservative white men are the ones being targeted themselves so have only just noticed the presence of a social hierarchy in the system even though one or the other has actually been there all along.
    The privileges of its civilization and sense of comfort has for most of its history been restricted to only a part of its general population, and now we're seeing the development of the same thing again following a period of relative egalitarianism during the 80s-2000s

    Now anyone who's everyone is rushing away from whiteness now that it's become a mark of shame. Italians, Jews, women; everyone's jumping ship. Or just become one of the liberal SJWs themselves and changing side.

    And who knows, maybe that's the only way a pluralistic, multi-ethnic society can work. Domination of one part over the other whether by law, or culturally or by other means.
    Although I tend to be more optimistic, and would simply call it a backward social order; doesn't matter which ethnic or racial group it's targeted at.

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    Post  andalusia Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:18 pm

    kvs wrote:

    The intellectual rot in the west is terminal.   The universities are the institutions where all the leaders and professional
    classes get their start.    Even if some make it on their own, that is not enough to support the system.   So the up and
    coming generation of the key cadres of society are all brainwashed lemmings who do not really know how to think and
    are programmed to operate on inane ideology.  


    Are American universities overrated and overhyped? How good are Russian universities?

    https://matadornetwork.com/life/us-colleges-are-overrated-overpriced/

    https://www.quora.com/Are-American-universities-over-hyped

    https://www.thecollegesolution.com/research-universities-a-dirty-little-secret/
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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:47 pm

    I am not sure you are going to get a definitive answer to that question... despite your efforts to get an answer.

    I have never had any dealings with US universities nor Russian ones either.

    My experience of most organisations is that those at the workface are decent and good and have a people focus most of the time, while those at the top have generally lost that people focus and are interested in top ten numbers and statistics and percentages that really don't mean anything at all.
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    Post  Finty Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:I am not sure you are going to get a definitive answer to that question... despite your efforts to get an answer.

    I have never had any dealings with US universities nor Russian ones either.

    My experience of most organisations is that those at the workface are decent and good and have a people focus most of the time, while those at the top have generally lost that people focus and are interested in top ten numbers and statistics and percentages that really don't mean anything at all.


    Speaking from experience of UK universities, I'm sure this is partly applicable to US universities (albeit things are worse there but the degree you pick affects the likelihood of having to encounter woke bullshit. It won't be as prevalent in technical subjects as more political ones and in any cases, it's the gobby minority of spoiled brats.

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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 06, 2021 11:57 pm

    The number being thrown around which I find credible is that all it takes is about 20% of an organization to steer the political climate.
    The 20% zealots basically out-yell the 80% majority that stays silent. When a critical mass of infiltration is achieved to generate
    a society wide "norm" the majority is suppressed. People in the non-zealot majority are afraid of sticking their necks out and being
    physically and financially attacked. And the majority bends over the the minority agenda.

    There has been such a phase transition over the last 15 years. Back in the 1990s I do not recall woke fanaticism setting the tone
    in Canadian universities or western ones in general. That was true even if the same Trotskyist professors were dominating the
    teaching staff. PC has allowed the woke fringe to slowly build a base for their "revolution".

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:32 am

    kvs wrote:The number being thrown around which I find credible is that all it takes is about 20% of an organization to steer the political climate.
    The 20% zealots basically out-yell the 80% majority that stays silent.    When a critical mass of infiltration is achieved to generate
    a society wide "norm" the majority is suppressed.    People in the non-zealot majority are afraid of sticking their necks out and being
    physically and financially attacked.   And the majority bends over the the minority agenda.      

    There has been such a phase transition over the last 15 years.   Back in the 1990s I do not recall woke fanaticism setting the tone
    in Canadian universities or western ones in general.   That was true even if the same Trotskyist professors were dominating the
    teaching staff.   PC has allowed the woke fringe to slowly build a base for their "revolution".    

    I disagree that it's a matter of Trotskyists worming their way up to dominate academia

    How then do you account for the infiltration of wokeness into all aspects of media, government administration, sports and even the armed forces

    It's being driven from the top-down
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    Post  kvs Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:42 am



    Seriously? Drones monitoring people for not wearing a mask in a park?

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    Post  par far Wed Aug 11, 2021 6:58 pm

    "Oregon governor signs bill removing reading, writing, & math requirements for high school kids, to help ‘students of color’"


    https://www.rt.com/usa/531648-oregon-governor-signs-bill/

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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:20 pm

    par far wrote:"Oregon governor signs bill removing reading, writing, & math requirements for high school kids, to help ‘students of color’"


    https://www.rt.com/usa/531648-oregon-governor-signs-bill/


    George Washington Carver, who was born a slave had the ability, mental capacity, to attend school, and University, but this Democrat is saying any other than white is too stupid to understand reading, writhing, and math, to graduate high school, i.e. the deliberate dumbing down of America, and persons of color.

    In reality, it's racist, and paternalistic.

    GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER

    https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/george-washington-carver

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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:44 pm

    Modern American left which normalizes illiteracy instead of fighting to eliminate it. This left has basically nothing in common
    with the real left of 100 years ago and is too busy promoting sexual deviants and minority racists (because minorities supposedly
    cannot be racist).

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    Post  kvs Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:33 pm



    Turn on CC. The degeneracy of western woke game (or TV) character development mocked.

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    Post  GreyHog Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:07 am

    kvs wrote:

    Turn on CC.   The degeneracy of western woke game (or TV) character development mocked.


    I thought the vid was a recent upload. Turns out it has been around since 2018, and only gets more accurate today! Ages like fine wine, indeed!
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:54 pm

    NYT's Maureen Dowd rips Obama 'orgy,' enraging ex-prez's Twitter admirers

    The former president's celebrity-packed birthday bash was more about 'Hollywood whoring' than thanking those who worked for him, the columnist wrote

    New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd’s comparisons of former President Barack Obama to "The Great Gatsby" and Marie Antoinette were apparently too extreme for many liberal fans of the ex-commander-in-chief on Twitter this weekend.

    Many social mediaites suggested Dowd was acting like a "Karen" for penning the critical piece, while others accused her of being "jealous" that she wasn’t invited to Obama's celebrity-packed Martha’s Vineyard birthday party last weekend.

    And there was more than a little Trump "whataboutism" in the fast-flying tweets.

    Dowd, a Pulitzer Prize winner, criticized the 44th president for his 60th birthday bash, which oozed ostentatiousness and seemed to favor A-listers over the less famous friends who were once the wind beneath his wings when he was just a junior U.S. senator from Illinois.

    "The party crystallized the caricature of the Democratic Party that Joe Biden had to fight against in order to get elected," Dowd pointed out in her piece, titled "Behold Barack Antoinette," published Saturday.
    "It was as far from Flint and Scranton as you can imagine: an orgy of the 1 percent — private jets, Martha’s Vineyard, limousine liberals and Hollywood whoring."

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/maureen-dowd-nyt-obama-marie-antoinette-birthday-party-twitter

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