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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:32 am

    The problem is that the people who have the initiative to dig for the truth are the minority. The dominant majority goes with the flow
    and if it is told from birth that some country is evil, they will accept it as fact. One of the key tricks of this propaganda is the "argument"
    that no Big Lie is possible. So various sources singing in the same chorus must be mostly right. As if the truth is always self evident.
    Naturally this is total rubbish since everything that the average westerner knows about Russia is conveyed by CNN et al. Without actually
    going to Russia and living there for a few years nobody will ever know the truth if they buy into the "all those independent journalists"
    can't be wrong line.

    The idea that there can be Orwellian levels of information control on certain subjects is very uncomfortable for people and creates a lot
    of cognitive dissonance. But it's time to get over the need for comfortable delusions. This "free" western media has turned on the
    people of the west and is pushing hard for the critical theory dystopia. Their lying is not confined to Russia and other western "enemies"
    and their "pluralistic" independence does not make them purveyors of truth.

    The so-called free western media is the origin of its own image of "free". Very convenient.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:21 pm

    RT does do propaganda for the Russians, they aren't all propaganda tho but trying to sit there and say they don't is just stupid. I realize your all biased so of course you won't agree with facts you do not like and that get in the way your views but hey.

    Like BBC is Brit propaganda outlet

    Liberty Free TV is the American version

    and RT is the Russian version
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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:34 pm



    The weapons stored at the precious arms dump in the Czech Republic violated a whole slew of EU laws and international conventions.


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    Post  Backman Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:32 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:RT does do propaganda for the Russians, they aren't all propaganda tho but trying to sit there and say they don't is just stupid. I realize your all biased so of course you won't agree with facts you do not like and that get in the way your views but hey.

    Like BBC is Brit propaganda outlet

    Liberty Free TV is the American version

    and RT is the Russian version

    Russia does not claim to be unbiased. Western media does.

    I wish Russia would so some real propaganda operations like the west does with the Skripals 
    and Navalny. 
    https://youtu.be/UFEoxjia0u8

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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:50 pm

    Anyone bitching about RT while giving CNN a pass is an asshole or a retard.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:48 pm

    kvs wrote:Anyone bitching about RT while giving CNN a pass is an asshole or a retard.


    I never gave CNN or Fox a pass, I've said in the past they are just that and you've seen it, but hey ignore facts common for you
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    Post  kvs Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:06 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/greenwald-cnns-new-reporter-natasha-bertrand-deranged-conspiracy-theorist-and-scandal

    What passes for "free" media in the USA. It's free alright, free from facts.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:14 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:RT does do propaganda for the Russians, they aren't all propaganda tho but trying to sit there and say they don't is just stupid. I realize your all biased so of course you won't agree with facts you do not like and that get in the way your views but hey.

    Like BBC is Brit propaganda outlet

    Liberty Free TV is the American version

    and RT is the Russian version

    Yes of course every piece of news and the way they are narrated, or what is said and what is omitted, has a political value, and every country's outlet tries to convey their own take of the world events and put themselves in a good light, that is nothing more than the basis of a legitimate, effective communication strategy. What is not the same (I think I always end up talking about the same with you) is the informational monopoly and criminal lies peddled with impunity by the Western MSM and showing the soft and fluffy side of Russia as RT does. That everyone has their own egoistic interests is true, to stretch that into a cynical "all are criminals the same" is not only false and unfair, but deeply misleading and counterproductive. But of course it is totally ingrained in the Western mindset that geopolitics is an intrinsic zero sum game where no accommodation and admission of other's legitimate interests is possible at all. For our own good it better is not quite like that, or the future is going to suck big time.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:22 am

    RT does do propaganda for the Russians, they aren't all propaganda tho but trying to sit there and say they don't is just stupid.

    Other countries produce propaganda, but our news is our perspective...

    But honestly there is so much anti Russian bullshit propaganda coming from western media outlets the Russian media spend most of their time debunking it, what propaganda do they get time for?

    Their propaganda is indirect... they don't have to produce it or make it up... merely showing western propaganda for what it is is enough pro Russian propaganda that is needed to show the west is full of shit.

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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:52 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    RT does do propaganda for the Russians, they aren't all propaganda tho but trying to sit there and say they don't is just stupid.

    Other countries produce propaganda, but our news is our perspective...

    But honestly there is so much anti Russian bullshit propaganda coming from western media outlets the Russian media spend most of their time debunking it, what propaganda do they get time for?

    Their propaganda is indirect... they don't have to produce it or make it up... merely showing western propaganda for what it is is enough pro Russian propaganda that is needed to show the west is full of shit.

    NATzO haters snooker themselves with their foaming at the mouth at Russia. Russian "state run media" does show and have real debates over this
    NATzO hate spew on Russian prime time TV. They invite all sorts of Polaks and Ukrs who get to spew their anti-Russian drivel and defend their precious
    Washington. As Russian viewers watch and cringe.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:48 pm

    While the Western media drown in their own lies and complacency, all RT and other have to do to do effective counterpropaganda is to get closer to the truth. That is why they don't need (and cannot allow themselves too, because they would never be able to run away with it) to make up lies in a grotesque way as the West does. Power corrupts as they say, and absolute power has corrupted the West absolutely.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:21 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    RT does do propaganda for the Russians, they aren't all propaganda tho but trying to sit there and say they don't is just stupid.

    Other countries produce propaganda, but our news is our perspective...

    But honestly there is so much anti Russian bullshit propaganda coming from western media outlets the Russian media spend most of their time debunking it, what propaganda do they get time for?

    Their propaganda is indirect... they don't have to produce it or make it up... merely showing western propaganda for what it is is enough pro Russian propaganda that is needed to show the west is full of shit.

    Yes yes because the Russians don't produce their own propaganda, everyone does it.

    There is no debating this.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:22 pm

    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    RT does do propaganda for the Russians, they aren't all propaganda tho but trying to sit there and say they don't is just stupid.

    Other countries produce propaganda, but our news is our perspective...

    But honestly there is so much anti Russian bullshit propaganda coming from western media outlets the Russian media spend most of their time debunking it, what propaganda do they get time for?

    Their propaganda is indirect... they don't have to produce it or make it up... merely showing western propaganda for what it is is enough pro Russian propaganda that is needed to show the west is full of shit.

    NATzO haters snooker themselves with their foaming at the mouth at Russia.   Russian "state run media" does show and have real debates over this
    NATzO hate spew on Russian prime time TV.    They invite all sorts of Polaks and Ukrs who get to spew their anti-Russian drivel and defend their precious
    Washington.   As Russian viewers watch and cringe.


    Yeah I've seen Russian Main Stream news, it's no better than CNN, MSNBC or Fox in the US.

    So cute lie.
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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:10 pm

    https://summit.news/2021/04/29/uk-christian-pastor-arrested-for-saying-marriage-is-between-a-man-and-a-woman/

    A Christian pastor in the UK was arrested by police after a member of the public reported him for the “homophobic” comment of saying that marriage was between a man and a woman.

    Yes, really.

    The NATzO west has been spewing propaganda for decades about being some bastion of freedom of thought and freedom of
    expression. Clearly, this is a lie.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:57 pm

    Already coping Cool

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/29/nord-stream-2-russia-germany-gas-pipeline-lng-baltic-biden-europe-ukraine-energy/

    How to Break the Logjam Over Nord Stream 2

    The Russo-German pipeline has zero impact on European security. But Ukraine should be helped.

    By Pierre Noël, a research scholar at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy, and Chi Kong Chyong, a research associate at the University of Cambridge’s Energy Policy Research Group.

    Since the inauguration of U.S. President Joe Biden, the United States and Germany have been seeking a way out of the deadlock over the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline. The Biden administration has so far managed to avoid triggering a full-blown crisis over the project with Berlin, but further sanctions bills circulating in the U.S. Congress might leave it with no choice. The undersea pipeline from Russia to Germany is nearly completed, and while its commissioning might be delayed, the start of gas deliveries is inevitable—and Washington should acknowledge it. The Biden administration should also reframe the issue, focusing the conversation on the practical implications of Nord Stream 2 instead of attempts to block it. A European strategy, led by Berlin and Paris and supported diplomatically by Washington, can help Central and Eastern Europe, especially Ukraine, adapt to the inevitable decline in their role as gas transit countries.

    Contrary to the claims of the pipeline’s vociferous opponents, Nord Stream 2 will have no implications on European security whatsoever. Germany will not be Finlandized, Ukraine and Central Europe will not be sold to Russia, Russia will not use its gas to strangle Europe, and NATO solidarity will not be compromised. The debate in Washington on Nord Stream 2 fails to acknowledge that Europe has successfully addressed its Russian gas problem by creating an integrated market for gas across the bloc. Natural gas has become a traded commodity across the European Union. Russian gas has competition everywhere, and there is massive spare liquefied natural gas capacity to serve the continent. The Baltic states and Poland will not be impacted at all by Nord Stream 2. They oppose the project out of political solidarity with Ukraine in its confrontation with Russia, not because it threatens their energy security or economic interests. Changing the logistics of Russian gas exports to Europe is strategically benign.

    On the other hand, the only serious risk to European supply security that ever materialized was the disruption of gas transit through Ukraine. In January 2009, Russian gas stopped flowing to Central and Western Europe for two full weeks, after Russia and Ukraine failed to renew their annual contract. It was the largest supply disruption in global gas trade history. Its dominant position in transit gave Ukraine leverage over Russia, which Kyiv used to keep prices low. The arrangement generated increasing tensions with Russia’s state-run Gazprom energy company and created opportunities for political corruption. Removing the Ukrainian transit risk from the Russian-EU gas relationship was a legitimate shared interest of Europe and Russia, advanced via new pipeline projects under the Baltic Sea and Black Sea. Once the new Russo-German link is completed, it will make Europe’s energy supply safer.

    Changing the logistics of Russian gas exports to Europe is strategically benign.

    Nord Stream 2 will have economic implications. It will cost Ukraine in two different ways. First, the Ukrainian gas pipeline company, Gas TSO of Ukraine, will lose substantial revenues from gas transit. Based on the company’s data, we estimate those losses to be between $400 million and $500 million per year from 2021 to 2024. Secondly, as transit volumes decline, the fixed cost of the pipeline infrastructure must be borne by Ukrainian gas consumers. The same logic applies to underutilized infrastructure in Slovakia, Austria, and the Czech Republic, which will also be impacted by lower transit volumes. These additional costs, which we estimate to be approximately $650 million per year, would bring the annual total to some $1.2 billion.

    Ukraine needs to adapt in a way that benefits its economy and advances its energy integration into Europe. Berlin and Paris must take the lead in negotiating an incentive contract with Kyiv that will smooth out the transition to a post-Nord Stream 2 era.

    This new EU-Ukrainian gas strategy should rest on three pillars:

    The first and by far the most important pillar consists of bringing down the Ukrainian gas transmission system’s excessive operating costs. It is vastly oversized. Capacity needs to shrink at least by half and headcount by a factor of four. A lean and efficient pipeline system would benefit the Ukrainian economy via lower gas tariffs and a more reliable supply. If Ukraine were successful in securing some transit business—as we think it will be—it might even make a higher profit than it does today. Finally, a better-administered system would allow Ukraine to offer cheaper and higher-quality services to European energy traders seeking to access large-scale gas storage facilities in western Ukraine.

    Even when Nord Stream 2 is online, Gazprom should still need to ship 20 to 25 billion cubic meters via Ukrainian pipelines each year, according to our estimates. Ukraine could sell Russia baseload capacity at a tariff lower than today’s, with the option to surge volumes at a much higher tariff when the European market is tight. The first part of the arrangement would guarantee a minimum annual payment and discourage Russia from investing in additional pipeline capacity to Europe through the Black Sea. The second part of the agreement would share the profits between Ukraine and Russia whenever the European market is very lucrative.

    Sanctions Won’t Stop Nord Stream 2. Diplomacy Will.

    As part of the strategy, Europe would provide capital for the required investments in modernization through the European Investment Bank or the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. As an incentive for Ukraine to rapidly modernize its pipeline system, the EU could also offer a cash payment over 10 years, declining year by year. A similar but less generous scheme would help Slovakia and the Czech Republic adjust down the size of their own gas transit infrastructure.

    The second pillar of the strategy would give all importers of Russian gas in the EU the contractual option of having their gas delivered at the Russo-Ukrainian border. The closer Gazprom’s clients are to Ukraine, the more likely they are to opt for this solution, especially as the Ukrainian pipeline system becomes more efficient. Mandating that all customers have a choice of delivery point would generate transit business for Ukraine and support east-west flows in Central Europe.

    The third pillar would promote the use of Ukraine’s substantial underground storage facilities by European gas traders. EU regulation on gas supply security might help. Market players relying on the Nord Stream system—which will have a combined capacity of 110 billion cubic meters per year—could be forced to insure against the risk of disruptions, including by increasing stored gas reserves. Ukraine would be well placed to meet the new demand.

    Kyiv must renounce its strategy of maximum tension and relying on Washington to coerce Berlin, as if Germany were supporting Russia against Ukraine. Because Nord Stream 2 makes sense for Europe and has no adverse strategic implications, Europe must simply help Ukraine adapt to the new situation economically. By holding firm against U.S. pressure, Germany has shown it is serious about Europe’s strategic autonomy. Now it must put it to good use and work with Ukraine on a post-Nord Stream 2 strategy. With such a strategy, the pipeline’s European supporters can facilitate a change in U.S. policy on Nord Stream 2, help Ukraine and other European transit countries, and defuse an unwelcome source of trans-Atlantic tensions.

    Pierre Noël is a research scholar at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy.

    Chi Kong Chyong is a research associate at the University of Cambridge’s Energy Policy Research Group.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:52 pm

    The Poles are against NS2 because a) they wanted Yamal-II to be built instead b) they fear Russia will cut them out of the transit fees teat next with a NS3.
    It is not due to solidarity.

    If Russia wants to they could completely bypass Ukraine once NS2 is complete. Of the countries supplied with TurkStream only Hungary hasn't built their connection to it yet. Turkey has increased their capacity of transit further with the completion of the Trans-Anatolian Pipeline and the Trans Adriatic Pipeline was finished just last year. The little amount of gas that needs to transit Ukraine could be moved via LNG from the Yamal field. The only countries in southern europe which have no alternatives are Romania and Moldova. The Ukraine pipelines will in fact only serve Ukraine, Moldavia, and Romania once Hungary connects via the Balkan Stream pipeline to TurkStream.

    But the Russians, unlike other people, do honor contracts. So Ukraine will have at least 5 more years guaranteed transit fees. After that, they will have learn how to live without billions in gas transit fees like everyone else and actually have to work for a living.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:35 am

    Lots of people keep saying the Russians would cut off Ukraine after their current contract ends but I don't think they will... they actually earn money pumping gas through the pipes, so why would they care if gas goes through Ukraine or not... Russia does not pay transit fees out of its own pocket, it is the countries whose gas passes through the Ukraine that pay the transit fees.

    For Russia piping gas through the Ukraine is only a problem if it gets stolen or blocked, which does cost them money... money in the extra gas they have to send to meet their contracts, and of course penalties for not delivering gas that was contracted to be sent.

    South stream and north stream allows the gas to get through no matter what, but they still make money on gas going through Ukraine so why not pump it through there?
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:20 pm

    https://www.rt.com/news/522578-facebook-redfish-rt-ban/

    RT editor-in-chief says she will seek Facebook ban if RT’s Redfish page, removed after anti-fascist post, is not restored

    Margarita Simonyan has lashed out at Facebook for suspending the page of Redfish, RT’s Berlin-based digital content producer. She said she will try to have the social network itself banned if the decision is not reversed.
    Redfish Media's account was suspended on Friday, after its recent post marking the death of Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini got flagged for allegedly violating Facebook’s community standards. The US social media giant previously flagged historic images of Holocaust survivors posted by Redfish as breaching standards on “nudity and sexual activity.”

    “It’s not quite clear what this ‘community’ found so insulting. Was it the Mussolini photo, the reference to Holocaust, or the very existence of the Redfish project, which the Western establishment has long been irritated about,” RT editor-in-chief Simonyan said in a social media post.

    "If the page is not back, I promise I will personally be seeking Facebook’s suspension."

    The strike for the upside-down Mussolini photo, which led to the suspension, isn't the only one that the platform issued to Redfish this year. In January, Facebook took down a post that showed historic images of inmates of the Auschwitz death camp taken after its liberation. Redfish posted them to commemorate International Holocaust Day.

    Redfish is an award-winning company producing videos on contemporary issues like social injustice, police brutality and oppression of third-world countries. Its Facebook page had over 830,000 followers at the time of its suspension.

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:02 pm

    FaceCrap is a woke-tard toilet. It is a safe space for IQ 75 range imbeciles to not be offended by facts. Using their standards
    every historical image is a violation. Because some retarded may get shocked by seeing a dead body or so-called nudity of
    death camp inmates.

    I am proud to say that I have never used social media (Twatter, FaceCrap, and similar) and never plan to. These outlets attract
    total garbage humans. That the west is pandering to this freak show proves that there is a social engineering agenda. Even
    if Twatter has millions of accounts, that does not outweigh the rest of society. This retard echo chamber is only being used to
    set corporate, academic and government policy because it is a pretext. An engineered pretext.

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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:37 pm

    kvs wrote:FaceCrap is a woke-tard toilet.   It is a safe space for IQ 75 range imbeciles to not be offended by facts.    Using their standards
    every historical image is a violation.    Because some retarded may get shocked by seeing a dead body or so-called nudity of
    death camp inmates.

    Nudity or whatever is just a convenient excuse. The real reason is that Facebook do not want people to spread the truth that could shake the power and interest of the people behind it.

    If you dig the situation deep enough you will see many Facebook account have been disabled using very rubbish and irrelevant excuses, because these people are trying to tell the truth that Facebook and the ones behind it feel threatened.

    The game is rigged from the beginning.

    The problem here is that it is not the game you could refuse to play, if you want to shatter the disinformation and lies that the West have been actively propagating.
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    Post  kvs Sat May 01, 2021 1:00 pm



    An American senator has accused Russia of using UFOs against the USA.

    Recall the UFO mania in the 1950s?   The yanquis are back at it will all sorts of official BS about UFOs.    The same
    cold war propaganda tools to lead the sheeple around by the nose.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/15/politics/unidentified-aerial-phenomena-defense-department/index.html

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    Post  GarryB Sun May 02, 2021 5:18 am

    Yes yes because the Russians don't produce their own propaganda, everyone does it.

    Russia does not produce any propaganda... they have no immediate ideological problem with the west... they didn't want to destroy the west... they wanted to join the world community... they wanted to be part of the west... it is the west that has rejected Russia and essentially said we will accept you as a loser of the cold war... you do as we say or you can't join the club.

    Russia has said no thanks on those terms but still has no interest in destroying the west... it seems hell bent on destroying itself anyway.

    RT was supposed to provide an alternative view of Russia so the west could learn a bit about Russia... if it wanted to... without seeing it through the CNN or BBC or ABC or Fox News or whatever filter that distorted everything in a Cold War Sepia.

    Russia does not need to pretend to be the best country in the world or the richest or the nicest... it doesn't make these claims... so all it does is points out when the west makes claims about Russia and itself when they are self evidently wrong.

    Invading Iraq was to save the Iraqi people from a despot... so why did you bypass the cities and secure the oilfields first... they let Iraqis bleed for a very long time, and ignored the wholesale theft and destruction of their history as museums were looted...

    An American senator has accused Russia of using UFOs against the USA.

    Likely the crew of the ship he arrived on were speaking and he thought it sounded like Russian...

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    Post  kvs Today at 12:31 pm



    The Swedish defense think tank called SIPRI claims Russian military spending has increased over the last two years and is one of the
    highest in terms of percentage of the GDP, i.e over 4%. But as usual we have games with BS statistics. SIPRI uses the nominal
    exchange rate determined GDP. This creates nonsense such as the shrinking of the Russian GDP measured in rubles relative to the
    income from military hardware sales which remain in "hard currencies" such as dollars. If the PPP GDP is used, then Russia's military
    spending is 1.7% of its GDP and lower than that of the USA and UK and most of NATzO.

    Even if PPP is not used, when measured in terms of dollars spent per capita, Russia accounts for $423, Canada accounts for $603,
    Sweden accounts for $639, and the USA accounts for $2351. Using percentage of nominal GDP is a misleading metric since it
    does not account for the physical needs of the country to defend itself. If Russia was much poorer, then the faggots at SIPRI
    would require it to have a proportionally weaker military. Those would be the wet dreams of the fear mongers at SIPRI and not
    objective analysis.

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    Post  franco Today at 1:09 pm

    I have not read the article however they (SIPRI / West) usually also like to include the Security budget in with the Military budget to get their Russian totals.

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