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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:54 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bunch-black-men-have-been-attacking-asians-says-cnn-director-during-undercover-tinder

    Twatter censors the Project Veritas founder for spreading the truth.

    Sorry, westerners, but the west is no longer any sort of free world. You are quickly sliding into a totalitarian toilet. There are still
    some informed voices, but they will be whittled down and in 20 years you will be living it up as 1984 style TVs (including cell phones and
    computers) feed you the right narratives and gauge your reaction. The technology is already here to do this.

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    Post  andalusia Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:01 pm

    I want to know what really happened in Chile with Allende.  They say he was a communist that was trying to convert Chile into a Marxist economy.  I don't like the idea of an Democratic government being overthrown but would like opinions.


    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/chile/2020-11-06/allende-inauguration-50th-anniversary




    https://wsimag.com/economy-and-politics/63839-salvador-allende-and-the-chilean-way-to-socialism
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:57 am

    Don't know the details in this case, but politicans worried about real human rights and better wages, and foreign companies causing damage and pollution with their factories or mines were often branded communist and made to disappear... most obviously wanted the foreigners to be more humane and give a crap about the people they were exploiting for money.... wasting their time appealing to the colonials, and signing their own death warrants meeting politicians offering to help them who wanted to meet in some disused factory or abandoned area at night...
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    Post  mavaff Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:09 pm

    Best thread ever.  lol!

    Today the “Russian bounties” story - where Russia was supposedly paying to have US soldiers killed - quietly imploded.

    For the last year, Dems, the media & others have pushed this conspiracy theory endlessly.

    If you think that’s exaggerative, have a look


    https://nitter.fdn.fr/DrewHolden360/status/1382838921961308161#m

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:42 pm

    Only a genuine retard would come up with the story in the first place. The Taliban would have no need of a bounty to encourage their fighters to bring home American scalps, when practically everyone in the country is raring to do so in the first opportunity they could get. This is butthurt projection by the retarded neocon and liberal ghouls who could not cope with the fact that they got their asses handed to them by an enemy that didn't have even a superpower backing them to the hilt and so they must invent one in Russia just to get a scrap of dignity they wouldn't have if word comes out that they lost to a bunch of catamites in caves.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:59 pm

    mavaff wrote:Best thread ever.  lol!

    Today the “Russian bounties” story - where Russia was supposedly paying to have US soldiers killed - quietly imploded.

    For the last year, Dems, the media & others have pushed this conspiracy theory endlessly.

    If you think that’s exaggerative, have a look


    https://nitter.fdn.fr/DrewHolden360/status/1382838921961308161#m

    Roughly seven months after that, on April 15, 2021, a senior administration official told reporters on a conference call that the U.S. now assessed with “low to moderate confidence that Russian intelligence officers sought to encourage Taliban attacks against U.S. coalition personnel in Afghanistan in 2019.”

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    Post  andalusia Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:25 am

    kvs wrote:After WWII there were real liberation movements around the world against western colonial regimes.   This includes Cuba, Vietnam, and
    many others.   These were not Soviet "regime change" operations.   The reason they were pro-USSR is because they were anti-west.
    That the road to Hell is paved with good intentions is not a conspiracy.  

    Cambodia was messed up by the Americans and Pol Pot's regime was removed from power by communist Vietnam.   So the idea that the worst
    cases were part of some utopian agenda is pure tinfoil hat drivel.  

    This is a quote from a libertarian on another forum and I want to know do you believe this to be true?

    "Capitalism is not overtly hostile to religion and sprituality; communism is. The reason is not that communists merely deny God, but that they are endeavoring to position themselves as superior to God. God, or Nature, screwed up, and it is their job to set everything right."

    "Socialism in all its phases looks on the evils of our civilization as springing from the inadequacy or inharmony of natural relations, which must be artificially organized or improved. In its idea there devolves on the state the necessity of intelligently organizing the industrial relations of men; the construction, as it were, of a great machine whose complicated parts shall properly work together under the direction of human intelligence. This is the reason why socialism tends toward atheism. Failing to see the order and symmetry of natural law, it fails to recognize God."

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:03 am

    Wait what.... does that mean one Russian diplomat gets to stay?

    This is a quote from a libertarian on another forum and I want to know do you believe this to be true?

    "Capitalism is not overtly hostile to religion and sprituality; communism is. The reason is not that communists merely deny God, but that they are endeavoring to position themselves as superior to God. God, or Nature, screwed up, and it is their job to set everything right."

    Communism is not overtly hostile to religion at all... they just didn't give it tax breaks.

    As an athiest I think Communism makes more sense that Capitalism, but as we see with Communist China Communism and Capitalism are not opposites.

    Many of the things the Soviets fought WWII with came from production licences bought in the west.


    "Socialism in all its phases looks on the evils of our civilization as springing from the inadequacy or inharmony of natural relations, which must be artificially organized or improved. In its idea there devolves on the state the necessity of intelligently organizing the industrial relations of men; the construction, as it were, of a great machine whose complicated parts shall properly work together under the direction of human intelligence. This is the reason why socialism tends toward atheism. Failing to see the order and symmetry of natural law, it fails to recognize God."

    If religion was the priority we would be stuck in the dark ages burning smart women because obviously they must be witches.

    Socialism is not about votes, most western countries are socialist in that case... with welfare programmes to help the homeless and the people who need help.

    Private industry is not really interested in helping old people if they can't afford to pay for it.

    The real irony is that big companies under communism cared about their workers... paid for their workers families education... even if they didn't end up working for the company...

    It sounds like it was a bit like that in America in the 1950s when wages were so good a man could go to work and the wife could have children or plan where they would go for a holiday this year.

    But profits don't go to the wages for the people who earn you all your money and make your business work... profits go to faceless nameless shareholders and the top level CEOs and Managers who get way more than they deserve... don't worry man working hard on the shop floor... when you climb the ladder you will be earning the bigger bucks too... except there are thousands of the floor and only one ladder to the next floor up and there is only room on the next floor up for 20 people. What happens when 10 people on the floor have parents on the next floor up... well they wont get pushed and shoved to get on that ladder now will they...
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    Post  mavaff Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:04 am

    Get ready for another Navalny bullshit blow, someone needs to rise up attention again as nobody is anymore talking about him.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:45 am

    US won biggly after half million Americans died. Take that! China!!!
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    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1383977576901734413

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:51 pm

    I say, having the milfy Margarita Simonyan conduct the interview was a mistake. The two dudes were supposed to look innocent and victimized - not whatever that is. I mean, can't blame them but holy shit.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:30 am

    Only a genuine retard would come up with the story in the first place. The Taliban would have no need of a bounty to encourage their fighters to bring home American scalps, when practically everyone in the country is raring to do so in the first opportunity they could get.

    Just the normal projection... the CIA and Saudi Arabia have been offering rewards and bounties for all sorts of things over the decades from Cechnya to 1980s Afghanistan, as well as various conflicts in central and south america.

    I remember in the 1980s they ran open adverts in Soldier of Fortune magazine where they would pay $300K to any Hind pilot that surrendered with an aircraft... don't know whether that would have worked or not but the Hinds in that country were grounded, which was a significant result because they were being quite effective in that conflict.

    I say, having the milfy Margarita Simonyan conduct the interview was a mistake. The two dudes were supposed to look innocent and victimized - not whatever that is. I mean, can't blame them but holy shit.

    Agree with what you are saying but that was a weird interview... I think the real problem with it was that it wasn't properly scripted and acted out... it looked more like two people being interviewed.

    I have spent time on a jury a couple of times and what I noticed first is that there is structure and order and procedure, but it is all badly written and would not make a good play or TV show or movie... isn't it strange I would expect it to be like TV and all sorted out in half an hour to an hour and end with a confession.

    Peoples concept if a trial has been totally warped by television and movies...

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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:43 pm

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    Post  PhSt Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:27 pm

    I was browsing Wikipedia today and saw this:

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    I tried checking similar pages for Western propaganda apparatus like CNN, BBC, VOA, Radio Freak Europe etc, and non of the pages mention Propaganda, even the page for Chinese CGTN only mentions that its a "state media". So Wikipedia has obviously been taken over by NATzO propaganda creeps. The question now is, where is the Russian counterpart to Wikipedia that has been promised to be set up a couple of years ago?

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    Post  GarryB Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:18 am

    Love to edit that page and next to the word Propaganda.... put the word Antidote...
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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:38 pm

    People who need Wikicrapia to decide on which media to consume are retards to begin with.

    The root of all evil is human idiocy.

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:17 pm

    Editing wikipedia articles is the pinnacle of impotent soy rage. Yeah, go ahead, label RT a a propaganda outfit, meanwhile its only growing by leaps and bounds in its audience Razz

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:48 pm

    PhSt wrote:I was browsing Wikipedia today and saw this:

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    I tried checking similar pages for Western propaganda apparatus like CNN, BBC, VOA, Radio Freak Europe etc, and non of the pages mention Propaganda, even the page for Chinese CGTN only mentions that its a "state media". So Wikipedia has obviously been taken over by NATzO propaganda creeps. The question now is, where is the Russian counterpart to Wikipedia that has been promised to be set up a couple of years ago?

    I doubt it's Poles or Balts. They're too sensible to invest time into petty things like that.

    My bet is Ukros
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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:57 pm

    It can be NATO members also. YouCrap labels Russian state funded media using different language than the CBC and BBC. The BBC
    hides behind a mandatory license but the CBC is an outright state run media outlet.

    And the whole private run and state run is BS. CNN is a foaming at the mouth propaganda outfit which makes the BBC and CBC look good.
    Fox News is a vanity project of oligarch Rupert Murdoch. State run media can actually be more objective because there is a built in
    skepticism on the part of the audience. Private run media can get away with fake news easier because people around the world have
    been trained like Pavlov's dogs to drool when they hear the word "independent".


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    Post  kvs Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:05 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/how-russia-could-kickstart-another-oil-price-war

    Oilprice.com is a POS fake stream media source.

    A nice post in the thread below this "article":

    What a crap article. No serious analyst would affix his or her name to it (see below).

    Putin is feeling no "heat" from new sanctions and Washington is not putting "some additional bite" in its confrontation. The sanctions are like gnats, which are annoying but are not hot and do not bite.

    the unilateral decision to block the Black Sea for international shipping and naval forces, in breach with the Montreux Convention,

    ...is a total fiction, but not surprising to hear from oilprice.com, considering their disregard for accuracy.

    The reality is that the Kerch Strait, not the Black Sea, was closed to military and state vessels, not international shipping. The Montreux Convention has not bearing on the Kerch Strait.

    BTW, Navalny wasn't mentioned in Putin's 21 April speech because, aside from the fact that a lot of Russians have never heard of Navalny, the jailing of an embezzler is not an issue of national concern.

    Out of curiosity, I did a quick search for Cyril Widdershoven, the author of this article. Apparently the guy has a PhD in War Studies from Kings College London and, "holds several advisory positions with international think tanks in the Middle East and energy sectors in the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and the United States."

    Just another example of the "quality expert analysis" churned out by Western stink tanks.

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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:17 pm

    flamming_python wrote:I doubt it's Poles or Balts. They're too sensible to invest time into petty things like that.

    My bet is Ukros

    kvs wrote:It can be NATO members also.   YouCrap labels Russian state funded media using different language than the CBC and BBC.   The BBC
    hides behind a mandatory license but the CBC is an outright state run media outlet.

    A brief look at the sources cited ranged from prominent Western media outlets (NYT, Guardian...) to some "scholars", "researchers" from certain "institutes" and "universities".

    Which means the whole system together is making this mess, rather than some specific Poles or Ukrs. The "sources" has long been already there from all kinds of Western organizations and it only wait for anyone to put it on Wikipedia.

    And state-run or private-run, to me, is the same thing. Is there any difference between Western governments and Western private capitalists in issues like their stance towards Russia ?
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    Post  LMFS Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:26 pm

    flamming_python wrote:I doubt it's Poles or Balts. They're too sensible to invest time into petty things like that.

    My bet is Ukros

    UK has people on payroll to edit Wikipedia, one alias in particular was caught editing like 24 h a day 7 days in a week.

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    Post  elconquistador Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:56 pm

    I wouldn't focus as much on the editors but on the platform itself

    Wikipedia went woke years ago.It had moved from a slightly left-of-center site run by secular humanists who at least attempted to allow their critics' viewpoints some semblance of fair coverage (even if it was relegated to a small "criticism" section at the bottom of an article), into a much more blatantly and unapologetically SJW-dominated platform that stifles dissent and parrots approved party lines.

    These articles reflect policy, and not some 'Baltic or Polish' (LOL) rogue editor.

    https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/

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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 27, 2021 6:59 am

    They are just creating their own reputation.

    When I see a BBC article condemning Russia or Putin for something I instinctively don't believe it and suspect it is something the UK is already doing or plans to do...

    Projection is such a big part of their propaganda so if they say this or that sources is Putin propaganda then I will look.

    Obviously it is not a perfect system... the west was screaming that Trump was Putins man and after being elected spent the next four years trying to prove it, but you could see how easily he was manipulated by his political enemies and the bloody idiots he surrounded himself with that also made him look bad and do stupid things to realise that no, he wasn't Putins puppet... he was more of a Democrat muppet, they could direct him with accusations he was soft on Russia and he went to work proving them wrong, which is exactly what they wanted...

    When looking for stuff on Wiki I expect them to be wrong about everything to do with Russia, so this would not surprise me or influence my actions or thoughts.

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