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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:07 am

    But, but, but, they are not supposed to fire back and kill us!

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    Ukrainian president is holding an emergency meeting with the leaders of the "Normandy four" after the escalation in eastern #Ukraine which killed 4 Ukrainian soldiers today

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    Post  franco Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:00 pm

    Volunteers from Russia are preparing for the war in Donbass

    The Union of Volunteers of Donbass (UDV) is preparing for an escalation of the military conflict in the South-East of Ukraine. This was announced to URA.RU by the chairman of the board of the organization, the first prime minister of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR) Alexander Borodai.

    Earlier, representatives of the DPR reported a rapid deterioration in the situation in Donbass over the past two months. It is also known that Ukraine is pulling troops to the positions of the militia.

    “In the event of a serious conflict in Donbass, in the event of an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russian volunteers will definitely come. We are preparing for this, ”Boroday told the agency. He stressed that all combat-ready people who are part of the UDV will move to Donbass as soon as Ukraine launches an attack on the self-proclaimed republics. At the same time, he refused to specify exactly how the organization prepares for such a scenario, citing the fact that it is a secret. For the same reason, the head of the UDV did not answer how many Russian volunteers would come to Donbass.

    Boroday noted that with a direct entry of Russia into the conflict in Donbass, Ukraine may cease to exist as a state. The former prime minister of the DPR also expressed the opinion that the hostilities will definitely not begin earlier than April, since the earth has not yet dried out after the melted snow.

    In early February 2021, in an interview with URA.RU, the head of the Ural branch of the UDV Maxim Khlopin noted that Russian volunteers can return to Donbass if necessary. Special Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Andriy Kozinchuk said that the Ukrainian wars will kill all Russians who come to fight on the side of the DPR and LPR.

    https://viysq5tyczhy54va65gm2d6ogq--k-politika-ru.translate.goog/dobrovolcy-iz-rossii-gotovyatsya-k-vojne-na-donbasse/?utm_source=warfiles.ru

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:10 pm

    Donbass home made suicide UAVs
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29 - Page 2 ExekCN7WQAADTcv?format=jpg&name=medium
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29 - Page 2 ExekCNwW8AE6mpR?format=jpg&name=medium

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1375748674018480142

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:52 pm

    They ought to pull a Houthi and bomb Ukraine's gaz pipelines. I'm sure Russia wouldn't mind, in fact they might just lend them some Kh-101s for the job Twisted Evil

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:02 am

    lyle6 wrote:They ought to pull a Houthi and bomb Ukraine's gaz pipelines. I'm sure Russia wouldn't mind, in fact they might just lend them some Kh-101s for the job Twisted Evil

    I think they may play a huge impact in the next escalation because the Ukronies have very little means of detecting, tracking and or engaging in a cost efficient manner. I think they should be used to engage the Ukronie artillery batteries to push back the lines of demarcation.
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    Post  Backman Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:54 am

    lyle6 wrote:They ought to pull a Houthi and bomb Ukraine's gaz pipelines. I'm sure Russia wouldn't mind, in fact they might just lend them some Kh-101s for the job Twisted Evil

    Russia just doesn't do things like that on order of Putin ( I asked Mark Sleboda on Twitter about this and that's what he said)

    I think they should. Why hasn't there been a high Ukrainian official assassinated for the assassination of Motorola ? Fight fire with fire. Car bomb the NATO office in Ukraine
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    Post  medo Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:53 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Donbass home made suicide UAVs
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29 - Page 2 ExekCN7WQAADTcv?format=jpg&name=medium
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29 - Page 2 ExekCNwW8AE6mpR?format=jpg&name=medium

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1375748674018480142

    I hope LDNR produce them in significant number for strikes on Ukrainian army.
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    Post  franco Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:10 pm

    Little reason for a big war

    Official Kiev cannot take and just give the APU an order ordering to go on the offensive and crush the defense of the People's Republics of Donbass. No, from a technical point of view, this is elementary, but there are certain difficulties associated with a number of formalities. Ukraine has consistently declared its commitment to the Minsk agreements. It declares loudly, as a rule, in the context of accusations against Russia, which, according to the official Kiev, violates these agreements almost every day.

    An important role is played by the fact that Ukraine has been “going to Europe” for several years already, which means that it at least formally honors and respects international law. In general, open aggression requires a fairly compelling reason for the attack to look, at least, as a "reflection of aggression", or, in extreme cases, as a "compulsion to peace."

    The problem of Zelensky and members of his inner circle is that having made the decision to start a “small victorious war” in Donbass, Ukrainian politicians have not yet figured out how to justify the need for this criminal bloodshed. You need a good reason. Although no, any reason, but how to make it valid, they know very well in Kiev.

    The first publications in the press about the death of the Ukrainian military in the area of ​​the village of Shumy, Donetsk region on March 26 were of an exclusively "heroic" nature. The journalists, referring to the statements of eyewitnesses of this event, pointed out that the "Russian mercenaries" had been fiercely rebuffed. However, by the evening, the angle of information presentation began to change dramatically. Already completely different "eyewitnesses" appeared, who told that the "peace-loving" fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, being under fire from the "separatists", while losing their comrades in arms, fired signal flares, beat drums and sent requests to stop fire through the OSCE. And, of course, not a single shot in response. The Ukrainian politicians who picked up this situation immediately announced that the battle was fought directly with the "Russian military"who are trying to create conditions for "seizing the advanced Ukrainian positions."

    Given the "complexity of the situation," Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who, by the way, did not react in any way to the recent deaths of civilians in the DPR, immediately requested negotiations with the leaders of the Normandy Four countries. Leonid Kravchuk rather hastily began giving interviews, emphasizing that "Ukraine must be ready to repulse Russia at any moment," adding that "the Russian Federation has not changed its philosophy, its main goal is to destroy Ukraine." And the head of the President's Office, Andrei Yermak, began to publicly declare that one can speak with Russia only from a position of strength.

    From a position of strength, it is more convenient to speak under any combination of circumstances. But such an approach presupposes the presence of a certain force, a real force, which Ukraine does not have and has never had. And waving your hands with an unfit for combat army and allies who are ready to fight with Russia to the last Ukrainian is an absolutely futile idea.

    Zelensky is trying to provoke a conflict in Donbass, while not forgetting to create an "alibi" for himself in the eyes of "progressive humanity." A juicy picture is created, the "treachery" of Moscow is discussed, which is in no hurry to recognize itself as a party to the conflict, while continually checking the strength of the Armed Forces of Ukraine's position, and stories about the "fallen heroes" and details of their biography are broadcast.

    Everything that is happening looks quite impressive, but surely every sane person has a simple and logical question. What's next? Of course, such combinations are twisted not at all in order to get Europe and the United States to impose new sanctions against Russia. This could have been achieved without pulling shock army groups into the area of ​​contact. Hence, the plan is completely different. Apparently, Kiev really decided to add red spots to the geopolitical map of the world, dragging Russia into a full-fledged confrontation.

    It is difficult to make any predictions, realizing that you are thinking about the possible actions and decisions of dependent people who are the conductors of someone else's will. Back in 2014, Ukraine was assigned the role of some kind of irritant, whose main task is to create political and military tensions on the border with Russia. And no matter how much Zelenskiy talks about peace, while talking about the European future of Ukraine, this will not change anything. At any moment, whether official Kiev wants it or not, an order “to attack” may sound, which will become fatal both for Ukraine and for a certain part of its population.

    I wonder if the Ukrainian leadership understands that having unleashed a full-scale military conflict, the country will be left alone with Russia, as happened with Georgia in 2008, when the allies from the NATO bloc simply forgot to come to war? Although, what does Ukrainian politicians care about such trifles? In any case, neither they nor their children will die on the battlefield.

    https://viysq5tyczhy54va65gm2d6ogq--k-politika-ru.translate.goog/malenkij-povod-dlya-bolshoj-vojny/?utm_source=warfiles.ru

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:46 pm

    medo wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Donbass home made suicide UAVs
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29 - Page 2 ExekCN7WQAADTcv?format=jpg&name=medium
    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29 - Page 2 ExekCNwW8AE6mpR?format=jpg&name=medium

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1375748674018480142

    I hope LDNR produce them in significant number for strikes on Ukrainian army.

    They look like they've been 3D printed, so probably cheap enough that it could be made in large quantities. Apparently they're accurate with a significant explosive charge as shown at 29:48.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPIaf5PUOxk&ab_channel=%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F24

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    Post  franco Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:40 pm

    LDNR have been using drone attacks (primitive at first) almost from the start. Really effective with strikes on fuel and ammo depots with drones dropping grenades and flares.
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    Post  kvs Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:29 pm

    The models in the video are not functional.   At 30:33 and later you see the propellers not having contact free positioning.  Maybe they are
    damaged test models where the engine shafts got bent or shifted after ground impact.    Looks to me like we do not really have all the
    information about what the NR forces have.   That is a good thing.   The less that Ukr retards know, the better.

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    Post  Finty Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:27 pm

    I haven't heard much about Wagner since what happened in Libya, I wonder if they'll get involved in this if not already?
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:11 am

    quote " Zelensky is trying to provoke a conflict in Donbass, "

    i don't think so , Zelensky wants to end the war ,but he is alone , versus his pro NATO
    heads in the military and parliament. He even in public warned americans and europe that
    if they don't get vaccines ,that they will have to get it in other places , regardless of who they
    are . a clear hint that will ask Russia or china help if the west don't help them. This is very
    different president that pig-goshenko and much more practical ,and he doesn't hate Russia
    at all . He actually have given interviews to pro putin journalist media , and have been more than
    courteous with them , at the shock of his handlers pushing him to not give any interview to
    russian media.  What happens to zelensky is similar to what happened to trump. they don't war
    with russia ,but his entire government do wants to increase hostilities against them.

    Democrats liberals ,and pentagon are the real force behind this new scalation of ukraine versus
    donbass. during trump 4 years , no major war began between ukraine and dontnesk. Kiev have from
    1 to 100 , 0%  chance to hold for long , any advances if ever happens ,that kiev do against lugansk will be lost within days of few weeks later and the pentagon knows this . So don't wait for NATO to join anytime soon to directly support ukraine because will provoke russia to hit directly at them if NATO is caught bombing donetsk or lugansk. What US rusophobic administration wants is not a military victory there ,they are not stupid . What they want is political and economical victory instead, to bleed the Russian economy as much as possible in many conflicts and wars and damage Putin's public opinion later by the worsening of the quality of life in Russia. The more money ,the outdated President have to spend in sending its military in bodyguarding allies ,the less money Russia government will have to invest in the things that more worry NATO ,that is in military modernization and in development of Russia space program too.

    US and UK would not mind to sacrifice as many ukraine soldiers as possible ,document fully their deaths show it in the kiev media and EU to promote rusophobia in ukraine and all europe too, look what putin did , they will say ,combine that with false flag , the bombing of kiev forces of civilians ,women and children in their own side ,  ,the more the better ,and provoke Russian army to invade ,and later use the incident to justify sanctions from the EU on russia energy business .

    Means the anglozionist terrorist powers wants to re-start this war before the nord stream 2pipeline is finished and connected to germany. as a last attempt to block putin's  gas station business to europe and as a bonus ,block sputnik v vaccine too.

    US might even want to do something big there ,a false flag ,with ukraine nuclear reactors , and
    accuse the russian military of striking them. there is one in the western part of donetsk ,under control of kiev.  

    US plans are simple and highly predictable, to over extend the Russian military in as many military
    conflicts as possible , for a long long time , and give them a vietnam like war , that will bleed their army ,their economy and provoke civil unrest in Russia ,for the worsening of the Russian economy
    for being in so many conflicts at the same time. The "moderate" anglo west will not mind a
    new Chernobyl false flag disaster happening in ukraine ,because Russia will have to come with their money and help later in contain any radiation disaster there. but before they can do that ,they need
    the russian military to invade ukraine ,deep inside , or at least all donestk and with help of propaganda media accuse russia of any disaster ,just like they did with the malasyan plane false flag, but now instead of a plane , use a nuclear reactor ,and blame russia for bombing it.

    This is why i don't see Russia quality of life ,to get any better any time soon , the military conflicts
    will only increase ,and not decrease..

    already conflicts US provoked ,Russia Federation to interfere since putin came to power?

    1) Georgia
    2) Syria
    3) Ukraine
    4) Nagorno Karabah, i knew of this latest plans since a decade ago.
    5)Serbia

    new conflicts that anglo zionist west can very easily create?

    6) Transnistria -moldova war , forcing russia to defend its soldiers there.
    7) Venezuela
    Cool tajikistan vs isis
    9) Nicaragua

    New big conflicts they will hope to create?

    10) a repetition of euromaidan in Belarus and transform it in a new ukraine.
    11) a major war against kazakistan.
    12) war against turkey.

    This are steps the west only needs to do ,to completely destroy Russia ,by crushing its economy
    and draining its military and discrediting the image of russian army.

    So the options Anglo west have to hurt Russia are endless and plenty. The options putin's have
    to fight back are ZERO ,because he is not countering the anglo west system in any way ,shape or form other than dodging their bullets as best they can.  Means putin's Russia don't fight back those who are seeking to destroy Russia and provoking wars on russia interest ,  Neither fight with the military anglo west , neither fight with business ,because putin , so is pretty lame ,the future of Russia under putin. The only hopes for Putin of Russia existence is that the anglo west collapse on their own , before Russia is broken in pieces ,in a revolution that will never happen . No

    The only thing that distract the anglo powers from breaking Russia ,is super ambitious china and their alternative created system ,that grows stronger by the time ,that directly challenge the anglo western business.this is the only thing that could save Russia from its total collapse and total isolation of the world.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:21 am

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Can-Oil-And-Gas-Save-Europes-Poorest-Country.html

    Ukraine is now Europe’s poorest country (per capita), having overtaken the long-time leader Moldova in 2018. A country whose abundant coal reserves have spurred its transformation into the Soviet Union’s leading industrial and agricultural powerhouse has, over the course of the last 30 years, become Europe’s chronically underachieving appendage. The state of things in Ukraine’s energy sector reflects that of the economy at large – outdated infrastructure, lack of long-term investment and an unwavering penchant for poor management have created a triple whammy that Kyiv has so far been unable to resolve...

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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:28 am

    lancelot wrote:https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Can-Oil-And-Gas-Save-Europes-Poorest-Country.html

    Ukraine is now Europe’s poorest country (per capita), having overtaken the long-time leader Moldova in 2018. A country whose abundant coal reserves have spurred its transformation into the Soviet Union’s leading industrial and agricultural powerhouse has, over the course of the last 30 years, become Europe’s chronically underachieving appendage. The state of things in Ukraine’s energy sector reflects that of the economy at large – outdated infrastructure, lack of long-term investment and an unwavering penchant for poor management have created a triple whammy that Kyiv has so far been unable to resolve...

    There is no chance of Banderastan being saved by any fossil fuel.   The coal reserves are in the Donbass.   The potential gas reserves are in offshore Crimea.
    What fcuking oil are they talking about.   There are no new oil discoveries of note.   As in the rest of the world, the conventional reservoirs have been discovered
    long ago.   They must be pimping the moronic "shale oil".   Hate to break it to them, those worthless deposits are also in the Donbass.   Poland was supposed be
    some sort of "shale oil" powerhouse but that has been an epic flop.   They are confusing kerogen deposits with non-conventional regular oil deposits such as the
    Bakken.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:42 am

    Finty wrote:I haven't heard much about Wagner since what happened in Libya, I wonder if they'll get involved in this if not already?

    Maybe but they are active in the CAR now. Those units probably just moved south.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:08 pm

    kvs wrote:
    lancelot wrote:https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Can-Oil-And-Gas-Save-Europes-Poorest-Country.html

    Ukraine is now Europe’s poorest country (per capita), having overtaken the long-time leader Moldova in 2018. A country whose abundant coal reserves have spurred its transformation into the Soviet Union’s leading industrial and agricultural powerhouse has, over the course of the last 30 years, become Europe’s chronically underachieving appendage. The state of things in Ukraine’s energy sector reflects that of the economy at large – outdated infrastructure, lack of long-term investment and an unwavering penchant for poor management have created a triple whammy that Kyiv has so far been unable to resolve...

    There is no chance of Banderastan being saved by any fossil fuel.   The coal reserves are in the Donbass.   The potential gas reserves are in offshore Crimea.
    What fcuking oil are they talking about.   There are no new oil discoveries of note.   As in the rest of the world, the conventional reservoirs have been discovered
    long ago.   They must be pimping the moronic "shale oil".   Hate to break it to them, those worthless deposits are also in the Donbass.   Poland was supposed be
    some sort of "shale oil" powerhouse but that has been an epic flop.   They are confusing kerogen deposits with non-conventional regular oil deposits such as the
    Bakken.

    On top of that they have the nerve to imply that their 'industrialization' was indigenous when in reality it was a long term surgically grafted and astro-turfed political, economic, and industrial liquidity injection from Russia. Once Russia left the Ukronie troglodytes and luddites showed that they can't even weld steel plates together on their mobile-outhouses called BTR-4's.

    Seriously, how do you go from building strategic airlift planes to struggling with welding metal plates within the 7 years of Russia's absence?!?! Because Russia has been astro-turfing and socket-puppeting the Ukra-ingrates entire industrial base since the beginning.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:19 am

    Doesn't sound good. See if we get confirmation of it from others.

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    Post  franco Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:21 am

    Serbian sniper who returned to fight in the DPR spoke about the collection of volunteers

    Serbian sniper Dejan Beric (known by his callsign Deki) returned to fight on the side of the self-proclaimed DPR. In an interview with Russian military reporter Aleksandr Sladkov, available on the journalist's YouTube channel Sladkov Plus, he admitted that due to the aggravation of the situation on the front line, many volunteers are going to Donetsk.

    According to Berich, he is currently drawing up all the necessary documents for enrollment in the People's Militia Corps of the Donetsk People's Republic. “I have a passport of a citizen of the DPR - this is not just a piece of paper, it is an obligation. This is my republic - I have to defend it, ”he shared the details.

    The Serb assumed that in the event of an offensive, the number of casualties would be huge, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) became stronger, but, as he stressed, the soldiers of the DPR army are ready to fight back.

    On March 27, the first prime minister of the DPR and ex-adviser to the head of the self-proclaimed republic, Alexander Zakharchenko, Alexander Borodai, announced that the Union of Donbass Volunteers was preparing to escalate the conflict in eastern Ukraine. According to him, in the event of the start of large-scale hostilities in the Donbass and the offensive of the Ukrainian army, "Russian volunteers will come."

    Russian-Ukrainian relations deteriorated sharply after the entry of Crimea into the Russian Federation in March 2014 and the outbreak of conflict in southeastern Ukraine in April of the same year. The self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics (DPR and LPR) declared their independence. The Ukrainian leadership tried to return them by force, but to no avail. Kiev accuses Moscow of armed aggression and occupation of Crimea and certain regions of Donbass. The Russian side does not consider itself a party to the conflict and rejects claims against it.

    https://viysq5tyczhy54va65gm2d6ogq--k-politika-ru.translate.goog/vernuvshijsya-voevat-v-dnr-serbskij-snajper-rasskazal-o-sbore-dobrovolcev/?utm_source=warfiles.ru

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    Post  kvs Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:27 am

    No context again by another journalist hack. Kosovo, northern Syria, and many other regions are subjected to different standards by
    the "recognition pack" and its sycophants. What these bloody imperial hypocrites recognize means nothing. Their "recognition"
    does not create history or legal weight.
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    Post  Finty Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:17 am

    I wonder if it'll get to the point where an Su 27 shoots down an Su 27 and not in friendly fire, don't think that has ever happened?
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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:19 am

    I doubt Russian aircraft will stray into Ukrainian airspace and Ukrainian Su-27s being shot down by MANPADS is probably most likely assuming they even send any at all.

    If they cared about their ground forces they would have detailed air superiority plans for the region, but I suspect they really don't care about the pleebs they send in the first or second or third wave attacks... nobody with political power or money will have children anywhere near the front lines.

    If a conflict actually starts I would think the anti Kiev forces would have to consider action in the rest of the Ukraine... sabotaging oil or gas reserves, power plants, HQs and comms centres and even government officials might be the best way to get Kiev to rethink their strategy, because if it is shell and march forward as was tried and rinsed and repeated an enormous number of times during WWI on the western front, then it is clear they are not expecting to win, just to drag Russia into a conflict they hope they can't win either... literally cutting off their own noses to spite their own faces...

    I would expect there are an enormous number of strategic targets in the Ukraine that are vulnerable to attack... especially with the focus to the east...

    I don't mean taking hostages like the Chechen terrorists did like hospitals and schools, I mean damaging critical infrastructure in the Ukraine... lots of bridges and power stations and dams...
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    Post  LMFS Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:14 pm

    ^ The problem is that the demented ukies would be capable of sabotaging their own NPP to blackmail Russia, you can count on that...

    But of course if provoked, Russia can deprive Ukraine of their soviet infrastructure in few days and turn them officially in what they are de facto, a third world country. There are many Russia stand-off weapons systems needing to be tested in combat for best international sales prospects, if ukies want to help Rosoboronexport they know just what to do Laughing

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:02 pm

    It already is a third world country. Poorest in Europe and poorer than Ghana.

    They can further turn them into mudhut dwellers. But that's about as low as they can go now.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:13 pm

    LMFS wrote:^ The problem is that the demented ukies would be capable of sabotaging their own NPP to blackmail Russia, you can count on that...

    NPPs are near Belarus not Russia

    Also winds blow West

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