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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #29

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    Post  medo Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:18 pm

    https://cont.ws/@alex07150/1954174

    В Киеве объявили Китай стратегическим врагом Украины 30 Марта 2021

    Поскольку Китай является стратегическим врагом Украины, Киев должен объявить ему войну – отозвать из Пекина своих послов и поддержать Тайвань. Об этом в эфире своего YouTube-канала заявил украинский политолог Олег Соскин, передаёт "Политнавигатор".

    "Коммунистический Китай не может быть партнёром Украины. Мы это видели на "Мотор сич", я это видел, когда Кучма отдал практически за бесплатно мощнейшую разработку в виде нашего авианосца. Мы должны понимать, что это системный враг Украины. Вся цель коммунистического Китая – это агрессия, экспансия, оккупация и диктат", – сказал он.

    China declared a strategic enemy of Ukraine in Kiev 30 March 2021

    Since China is a strategic enemy of Ukraine, Kiev must declare war on it - recall its ambassadors from Beijing and support Taiwan. Ukrainian political scientist Oleg Soskin stated this on the air of his YouTube channel, Politnavigator reports.

    “Communist China cannot be a partner of Ukraine. We saw this on Motor Sich, I saw it when Kuchma gave almost for free the most powerful development in the form of our aircraft carrier. We must understand that this is a systemic enemy of Ukraine. The whole goal of communist China is it is aggression, expansion, occupation and diktat, "he said.

    Ukraine declare China an enemy. President Xi already takes insults of Ukraine around Motor Sich personaly and order punishing Ukraine. Now they are practicaly in war. China already start economical cooperation with Crimea and now China could bring their hand to LDNR. China is the largest drone producer in the World and they could bring to LDNR large numbers of kamikaze drones for swarm strikes on Ukrainian positions. We will see, what orders Xi Jinping will make.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:01 pm

    medo wrote:https://cont.ws/@alex07150/1954174

    В Киеве объявили Китай стратегическим врагом Украины 30 Марта 2021

    Поскольку Китай является стратегическим врагом Украины, Киев должен объявить ему войну – отозвать из Пекина своих послов и поддержать Тайвань. Об этом в эфире своего YouTube-канала заявил украинский политолог Олег Соскин, передаёт "Политнавигатор".

    "Коммунистический Китай не может быть партнёром Украины. Мы это видели на "Мотор сич", я это видел, когда Кучма отдал практически за бесплатно мощнейшую разработку в виде нашего авианосца. Мы должны понимать, что это системный враг Украины. Вся цель коммунистического Китая – это агрессия, экспансия, оккупация и диктат", – сказал он.

    China declared a strategic enemy of Ukraine in Kiev 30 March 2021

    Since China is a strategic enemy of Ukraine, Kiev must declare war on it - recall its ambassadors from Beijing and support Taiwan. Ukrainian political scientist Oleg Soskin stated this on the air of his YouTube channel, Politnavigator reports.

    “Communist China cannot be a partner of Ukraine. We saw this on Motor Sich, I saw it when Kuchma gave almost for free the most powerful development in the form of our aircraft carrier. We must understand that this is a systemic enemy of Ukraine. The whole goal of communist China is it is aggression, expansion, occupation and diktat, "he said.

    Ukraine declare China an enemy. President Xi already takes insults of Ukraine around Motor Sich personaly and order punishing Ukraine. Now they are practicaly in war. China already start economical cooperation with Crimea and now China could bring their hand to LDNR. China is the largest drone producer in the World and they could bring to LDNR large numbers of kamikaze drones for swarm strikes on Ukrainian positions. We will see, what orders  Xi Jinping will make.

    Let's puts some cold water on this, it probably wouldn't be so obvious as introducing their drones, more like they'll get the foreign assets of Ukronie leaders frozen. Reality is this, China has their ace card in their sleeve, they can basically threaten the banks that manage Ukronie assets with severe fines, asset freezing, expulsion and perhaps even asset seizure. They could even go further by threatening their branch banks, banks and financial institutions that they cooperate with and engage in financial transactions with, as well as companies that do business and or borrow money from them. Barring and expulsion from the immense Chinese market means the losses for those doing business with Ukronie leaders would easily escalate to tens of billions of USD losses immediately, and over a span of several years perhaps even several hundred billion USD losses eventually down the line. They could even be barred from the financial hub of Hong Kong, from closely aligned nations (from Thailand to Russia), barred from emerging markets that are dependent on China, etc. The sky's the limit, and the financial loses could be piled on quickly.  

    The financiers that manage the money of Colonmoisky, Moronshenko, Felonsky will have to make a serious choice: lose a few hundred million USD discarding/jettisoning Ukronie assets (much of it is probably not liquid), or lose perhaps hundreds of BILLIONS of USD (liquid) being expelled from the Chinese market.

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 03, 2021 9:47 pm

    "Our aircraft carrier" Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:32 pm

    Time for a couple of smiles.

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    Ukrainian Lieutenant General Mikhail Zabrodsky:

    "The help of Western partners is crucial for us, but today no one is sending a single soldier in a possible attempt at a Russian attack. So we need to increase our defense capability and rely solely on our own forces.

    10h
    Russia is waging a "hybrid war" to disrupt Ukraine's power grid by selling electricity to Kiev at low prices, crowding out local mines and power plants.

    This was announced by Mikhail Volynets, a deputy from Kiev and chairman of the miners' trade union.

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    Post  LMFS Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:30 am

    par far wrote:Ukraine Edges Towards Ceasefire As Lavrov Warns "War Would Destroy Ukraine"

    Mercouris normally makes very good analysis, in this case I am not fully convinced though about his predictions:

    > Ukrainian leadership and specially military are fully aware of what can happen if they attack Donbass again;
    > US has no problem in having Ukraine destroyed, that will only mean more headline material for their propaganda against Russia. Improving Ukrainian statehood was not the goal when they decided to support the Maidan nazi putschists...
    > The West's goal is not a military victory over Russia, but rather a further reason to isolate Europe from them.
    > The same situation was present in Georgia in 2008, in Ukraine in 2014 and still the military option was chosen

    So it is not that US is trying to persuade Ukraine against the military option, quite the contrary, they are egging them, supporting their view of the issues (Russian aggression), cancelling the reporting of the Ukrainian deployment and political developments and promising "unwavering" support, whatever that should mean. So they are creating the situation in which the Ukraine military is "forced" to intervene, and when it happens and Russia crushes them, the focus of course will not be to blame themselves for being such fake, treacherous allies, but to shout their outrage because of the Russian barbaric behaviour. The view of the US russophobic establishment is that creating problems for Russia, as many as possible and no matter the costs is the goal, this was, is and will remain their strategy until they are removed from power. So Russia is this time using their increased assertivity and military clout to very explicitly warn the clown and his entourage that they will pay a personal price for what happens in Donbass, this may have the intended effect either by convincing them that US wrath is not much worse than the Russian one, and on the other, provoke further tensions and division on the Ukrainian front, using the Western crackdown on the oligarchs and as evidenced by the recent, shocking statements by none other than Avakov (!) that Russian language should be promoted in Ukraine.

    So last developments and discussions about ceasefire indicate that Ukrainians are fully aware they are being set up by the US, and that Russia will wipe the floor with them and hand them such a comprehensive defeat that they will not even have the means of the state to protect themselves if they unleash a war, but US keeps pressing on with the same old demands (corruption, reforms, democracy etc) which means in plain text them reminding the Ukrainians that they still have them by the balls and they need to do as ordered. US "soft" power is not as powerful as it was, and Russia's deterring capabilities are way more convincing than in 2014, so it needs to be seen what happens, but fight at the LOC continues and many are still convinced that after the soil dries, an offensive will be unleashed.

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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:46 am

    US propaganda is now in the boy who cried wolf regime. No matter what Russia does it will be demonized and covered with lies.
    So Russia has nothing to lose. The hubris filled, insanely delusional deciders in Washington clearly have no clue about the state
    of Russia's economy and keep braying about sanctions and cancellation of NS 2. Neither matters for Russia. The former will
    only serve to increase its real (not debt Ponzi) GDP and the latter will be a disaster for the EU. Russia will not be forced to
    transit gas through Banderastan no matter what Washington wishes. Russia should use the brazen sabotage of the Minsk Accords
    and the war instigation by Washington's stooges in Kiev as a force majeur declaration to break all contracts for gas to the EU.
    The EU is not even trying to stop Pukeraine from attempting its ethnic cleansing operation in the Donbass. Enough coddling of
    these bloody hypocrite swine.

    The Power of Siberia I pipeline has over 60 bcm/year capacity. It can replace more than all the gas being transited through
    Kiev's toilet. Time for the retards in Bruxelles to smell the coffee.

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    Post  Backman Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:25 am

    medo wrote:https://cont.ws/@alex07150/1954174


    “Communist China cannot be a partner of Ukraine. We saw this on Motor Sich, I saw it when Kuchma gave almost for free the most powerful development in the form of our aircraft carrier. We must understand that this is a systemic enemy of Ukraine. The whole goal of communist China is it is aggression, expansion, occupation and diktat, "he said.

    Ukraine declare China an enemy. President Xi already takes insults of Ukraine around Motor Sich personaly and order punishing Ukraine. Now they are practicaly in war. China already start economical cooperation with Crimea and now China could bring their hand to LDNR. China is the largest drone producer in the World and they could bring to LDNR large numbers of kamikaze drones for swarm strikes on Ukrainian positions. We will see, what orders  Xi Jinping will make.

    The Nazi f*ck faces went to the Hong Kong protests too. This is good though. Ukraine will be starved of Chinese money.

    Ukraine will have 10-20 years to think about it. How they chose to be a failed state on the edge of Europe. When they could have been a Eurasian Union member and recipient of Chinese Belt and Road infrastructure money. They could have had the Sputnik V vaccine 2 months ago or the Chinese vaccine. They are just now getting some sketchy vaccine from India. The opportunities lost are too many to name.



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    Post  auslander Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:33 am

    LMFS wrote:
    par far wrote:Ukraine Edges Towards Ceasefire As Lavrov Warns "War Would Destroy Ukraine"

    Mercouris normally makes very good analysis, in this case I am not fully convinced though about his predictions:

    > Ukrainian leadership and specially military are fully aware of what can happen if they attack Donbass again;
    > US has no problem in having Ukraine destroyed, that will only mean more headline material for their propaganda against Russia. Improving Ukrainian statehood was not the goal when they decided to support the Maidan nazi putschists...
    > The West's goal is not a military victory over Russia, but rather a further reason to isolate Europe from them.
    > The same situation was present in Georgia in 2008, in Ukraine in 2014 and still the military option was chosen

    So it is not that US is trying to persuade Ukraine against the military option, quite the contrary, they are egging them, supporting their view of the issues (Russian aggression), cancelling the reporting of the Ukrainian deployment and political developments and promising "unwavering" support, whatever that should mean. So they are creating the situation in which the Ukraine military is "forced" to intervene, and when it happens and Russia crushes them, the focus of course will not be to blame themselves for being such fake, treacherous allies, but to shout their outrage because of the Russian barbaric behaviour. The view of the US russophobic establishment is that creating problems for Russia, as many as possible and no matter the costs is the goal, this was, is and will remain their strategy until they are removed from power. So Russia is this time using their increased assertivity and military clout to very explicitly warn the clown and his entourage that they will pay a personal price for what happens in Donbass, this may have the intended effect either by convincing them that US wrath is not much worse than the Russian one, and on the other, provoke further tensions and division on the Ukrainian front, using the Western crackdown on the oligarchs and as evidenced by the recent, shocking statements by none other than Avakov (!) that Russian language should be promoted in Ukraine.

    So last developments and discussions about ceasefire indicate that Ukrainians are fully aware they are being set up by the US, and that Russia will wipe the floor with them and hand them such a comprehensive defeat that they will not even have the means of the state to protect themselves if they unleash a war, but US keeps pressing on with the same old demands (corruption, reforms, democracy etc) which means in plain text them reminding the Ukrainians that they still have them by the balls and they need to do as ordered. US "soft" power is not as powerful as it was, and Russia's deterring capabilities are way more convincing than in 2014, so it needs to be seen what happens, but fight at the LOC continues and many are still convinced that after the soil dries, an offensive will be unleashed.

    Having finally listened to him twice over the last three days, my opinion is the guy is a flaming pompous asshole on a good day, and he hasn't had one of those in years.
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    Post  lancelot Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:50 am

    kvs wrote:US propaganda is now in the boy who cried wolf regime.   No matter what Russia does it will be demonized and covered with lies.
    So Russia has nothing to lose.  The hubris filled, insanely delusional deciders in Washington clearly have no clue about the state
    of Russia's economy and keep braying about sanctions and cancellation of NS 2.   Neither matters for Russia.   The former will
    only serve to increase its real (not debt Ponzi) GDP and the latter will be a disaster for the EU.   Russia will not be forced to
    transit gas through Banderastan no matter what Washington wishes.   Russia should use the brazen sabotage of the Minsk Accords
    and the war instigation by Washington's stooges in Kiev as a force majeur declaration to break all contracts for gas to the EU.
    The EU is not even trying to stop Pukeraine from attempting its ethnic cleansing operation in the Donbass.   Enough coddling of
    these bloody hypocrite swine.

    The Power of Siberia I pipeline has over 60 bcm/year capacity.   It can replace more than all the gas being transited through
    Kiev's toilet.  Time for the retards in Bruxelles to smell the coffee.

    The gas that is sold to Europe mostly comes from Yamal. Power of Siberia gas comes from Eastern Siberia gas fields which are being slowly ramped up. While the capacity of Power of Siberia is 60 bcm it will take a couple years to ramp it up.

    The real kicker would be the Power of Siberia 2 pipeline which is supposed to go from Yamal to China through Mongolia.

    If for whatever reason Nord Stream 2 was cancelled what would most likely happen would be Yamal LNG would end up being sold to Europe at a higher price instead of piped gas. Even if they sanction Russia for whatever reason it is quite likely they would smuggle Yamal LNG to Europe via Norway by passing it off as "Norwegian" LNG via tanker to tanker transfers at sea. It would not be the first time.

    So the gas would still end up being sold, but gas prices in Europe would increase massively rendering their industry non competitive. Then in a decade once Power of Siberia 2 comes online all gas would be either rerouted to China via that pipeline or to Eastern Asian markets as LNG via the Arctic route.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:17 am

    auslander wrote:
    Having finally listened to him twice over the last three days, my opinion is the guy is a flaming pompous asshole on a good day, and he hasn't had one of those in years.

    I see you have mellowed over the years. Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:24 pm

    Emergency supplies.


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    Post  auslander Sun Apr 04, 2021 2:47 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Having finally listened to him twice over the last three days, my opinion is the guy is a flaming pompous asshole on a good day, and he hasn't had one of those in years.

    I see you have mellowed over the years. Laughing

    I'm old, and at my age I can legally call 'em as I see 'em. He has a pretty good gig going, though, so my hat's off to him for fleecing a lot of folks.
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    Post  nero Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:06 pm

    The weather in the Donbas oblast is starting to clear up. Predictions are some light rain, mostly cloudy, the temperature is going to be >12 C for the next few weeks (day) and > 5 C (night). I am not sure how long it takes for the wet rich blacksoil to start drying up from the winter months; I assume we are still a few weeks off.

    I wonder if the C-17 arrived to Ukraine to resupply the Ukrainians or their own forces there. I do believe that Biden is senile enough to provide the Ukrainians with some degree of on the ground support - in similar fashion as Obama did.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:06 pm

    It isn't his decision. At best they supply advisors and intelligence equipment, mixed with small arms and retired junk

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Apr 04, 2021 5:14 pm

    The Ukrainians are using legacy Soviet gear that were designed for far more serious terrain and climate induced obstacles than what can be currently observed. Its not a matter of waiting until the ambient conditions becomes more suitable for conducting operations but of waiting until the Ukrainian balls drop. The US would have to do more massaging with arms and promises of support until the Ukrainian leadership is sufficiently deluded enough and goes yolo.

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    Post  Finty Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:31 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Emergency supplies.


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    Reminds me, I was watching a VICE vid about Humvees being shipped to Ukraine in 2015, turns out another batch was delivered as recently ad January 2021.

    https://defence-blog.com/news/army/ukraine-receives-new-batch-of-humvee-armoured-vehicles.html


    On Friday, the U.S. Embassy Kyiv Ukraine announced that the Ukrainian Armed Forces has received a new batch of 20 HMMWV M1151 armoured vehicles along with 84 boats.

    “Nothing could stop the delivery of 20 humvees to Ukrainian Land Forces and Special Operations Forces along with 84 boats for the Ukrainian Navy as part of the Ukrainian Security Assistance Initiative,” the Embassy said in a Facebook post Friday.

    The HMMWV, better known as Humvee, is a lightweight, highly mobile, high-performance, diesel-powered four-wheel drive, air-transportable and air-droppable family of tactical vehicles. The HMMWV supports combat and combat service support units with a versatile, mission-configurable, tactical wheeled vehicle.

    It is manufactured by AM General LLC. More than 50 countries and military organisations operate these vehicles.

    The United States and other Western countries have expanded support of Ukraine’s military since Moscow seized control of the Crimean Peninsula in March 2014 after sending in troops and staging a referendum dismissed as illegal by at least 100 countries. Moscow is also backing separatists in a war in eastern Ukraine that has killed more than 13,000 people since April 2014.

    The Pentagon statement says the United States continues to urge all allies and partners to enhance their support for Ukraine’s security and defense.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 04, 2021 7:06 pm

    A big US logistic support vessel called in a couple of weeks ago and dumped all that stuff in Odessa. Pretty sure it got flagged up thread.

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    Post  Backman Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:33 pm

    Finty wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Emergency supplies.




    along with 84 boats.


    affraid

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    Post  LMFS Sun Apr 04, 2021 8:42 pm

    US can fly one plane of gringo junk to the ukies as a big show of support, while Russia can dump trainloads of modern armament and ammo of one after another in Donbass and send thousands of volunteers, advisers and intelligence, what side do you thing is going to get fucked in case of a war?

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:04 pm

    LMFS wrote:US can fly one plane of gringo junk to the ukies as a big show of support, while Russia can dump trainloads of modern armament and ammo of one after another in Donbass and send thousands of volunteers, advisers and intelligence, what side do you thing is going to get fucked in case of a war?

    Ah, but that C-17 was loaded with 1000 cans of hopium and 15 pallets of deludium. Whilst the Little Shop on the Border has been supplying usefullum. Laughing

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    Post  LMFS Sun Apr 04, 2021 9:29 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Ah, but that C-17 was loaded with 1000 cans of hopium and 15 pallets of deludium. Whilst the Little Shop on the Border has been supplying usefullum. Laughing

    Indeed what they need the most are serious amounts of drugs, judging by videos like that of the guy emptying his Kalashnikov in his head, they will be put to good use...

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    Post  auslander Mon Apr 05, 2021 6:52 am

    lyle6 wrote:The Ukrainians are using legacy Soviet gear that were designed for far more serious terrain and climate induced obstacles than what can be currently observed. Its not a matter of waiting until the ambient conditions becomes more suitable for conducting operations but of waiting until the Ukrainian balls drop. The US would have to do more massaging with arms and promises of support until the Ukrainian leadership is sufficiently deluded enough and goes yolo.

    This. Soviet/Russian field and armored vehicles are designed to work in conditions that 'western' equipment can not move in. Spring mud is a fact of life for eons and is not a real factor as to when the orcs will or will not attack.

    There is a reason the Germans designed special 'Ost ketten' and 'Winter Ketten' for the Pzkw 3 and Pzkw 4. Panther D, A and G, Tiger E and Tiger B had no problems, they were designed in light of experience with a lower weight per square centimeter. Even the transport tracks for Tiger E and Tiger B had no problems with the rich black mud of the East Front.

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    Post  mavaff Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:42 am

    Monitoring activity by US intensifying around Ukraine (and Syria).

    https://www.itamilradar.com/2021/04/04/new-usn-missions/

    Double surveillance mission this morning for US Navy Poseidons.

    A first Boeing P-8A is departed NAS Sigonella around 8:30 CEST and now is making a ISR mission over eastern Mediterranean sea between Cyprus and Syria (where are reported different Russian military installations).
    The second one left Sigonella around 09:30 CEST to make a new mission over Black Sea .

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    Post  mavaff Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:46 am

    LMFS wrote:US can fly one plane of gringo junk to the ukies as a big show of support, while Russia can dump trainloads of modern armament and ammo of one after another in Donbass and send thousands of volunteers, advisers and intelligence, what side do you thing is going to get fucked in case of a war?


    I think the goal is not really winning a war and everybody knows it.
    The goal is to start that war to further isolate and demonize the Russian bear, how war ends is irrilevant (better said: the longer the war, the better: more sanctions, more international pressure, etc)

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