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    Post  The_Observer Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:20 pm

    Armenia's President refuses to sign Pash decree to remove the chief of general staff of Armenia.
    Interesting times ahead.

    Armenian President refuses to sign PM Pashinyan’s decree to sack the Chief of the General Staff calling the move unconstitutional. A major blow to Pashinyan. He is sitting on a two legged barstool. Unprecedented stuff

    https://twitter.com/ArtyomTonoyan/status/1365663975749390336

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    Post  George1 Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:01 pm

    Protesters break into Yerevan’s central district administration building

    https://tass.com/world/1261415
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:04 pm

    I don't agree with the demands because no one should decide in protests. Protests tend to make things worst.

    Instead, a vote of no confidence and hold early elections.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:01 am

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    #Armenia's PM Pashinyan says he was badly informed on Iskander missiles, they have not been used by the Armenian army during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh.
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    Pashinyan said that he was misinformed about the "Iskanders".

    https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1366456935130742800

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:16 pm

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    Post  Isos Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:30 pm

    There was two explosion in the last night before ceasefire around Baku. But I doubt it was Iskander, they don't have enough range from Armenia (and they wouldn't have sent them in NK full of drones looking for them).

    I wonder what they intercepted.


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    Hmm, a senior official tells the Middle East Eye that Armenia fired an Iskander at Baku right before the ceasefire, but it was intercepted by an Israeli-made Barak-8. There was a large explosion in Baku right after the ceasefire, but I'm skeptical. 3014


    #Armenia's PM Pashinyan says he was badly informed on Iskander missiles, they have not been used by the Armenian army during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh.

    They may have been used. But who knows if this is from the conflict.

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    Post  Mindstorm Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:05 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:clown lol1 clown lol1 clown lol1 clown lol1

    #Armenia's PM Pashinyan says he was badly informed on Iskander missiles, they have not been used by the Armenian army during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh.
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    Pashinyan said that he was misinformed about the "Iskanders".

    https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1366456935130742800



    Those kind of lies do not last enough when just in your territory there is a military detachement of the nation maker of those systems and any launch toward or outside your border is recorded by hundreds of different sensors (always from the previous maker nation) in the interests of the ОДКБ rules of mutual responsibility.


    Pashinyan is merely attempting to show ,in any way, a level of support provided by Armenian armed forces to the self-proclaimed Artsakh Republic in the conflict, that is totally irreconcileable with the reality (where the support amounted to no more than some logistical supply lines and remote command orders).


    The public opinion's backlash for a kind of "shared defeat" is, in facts, obviously infinitely less dangerous under a political point of view than to reveal the simple reality:

    - Armenian divisions do not moved a single meter from Armenian border , and any serious military analyst know that even a partial ground intervention by part of those divisions particularly in the Southern sector would have split the attacking forces in three or four segments that would have been easily encircled and overruned.
    - Defensive systems of Armenian armed forces, in particular air defense and EW systems, acted only when Azerbaijani systems was very near to Armenian borders with very clear results.

    https://arsenal-otechestva.ru/article/1385-nebo-karabakha

    The clumsy lies of Pashinyan about Искандер-Э (all of which are instead still in the launchers and depots in Armenia) and the EW systems ,that never moved in the area of conflict limiting instead themselves at prevent, with noticeable success, enemy UAV/UCAVs to operate near Armenian borders are nothing more than an attempt to say to its internal public opinion that it had attempted to support the Armenian people in the territory of self-proclaimed Artsakh Republic but without success.

    It would be much more serious ,by its part ,try to explain to Armenians that a direct intervention in the conflict ,lacking any legal basis under any international and even internal law point of view, after the initial overturning of the events in Artsakh favour (and probably an enormous increase of the losses on ground fro the attacking Azerbaijami forces) would have quickly opened the road for Turkey to intervene in the conflict to the side of Azerbaijan and also with international legal basis (Armenia would have been considered to any extent an open invader and Azerbaijan could request the aid of Turkey against it).

    Armenia would ,at this point lost any of the coverage provided by ОДКБ ,that has purely defensive purposes, and the Federation would have tied hands against the Azerbaijani and Turkey counter Attacks against Armenian territory.

    It would have been an apocalyptic disaster for Armenia ,under a military and economical and geo-political point of view.

    This sort of serious ,complex explanation deserve the Armenian people…..not self-embarrassing lies over lies.


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    Post  Arrow Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:03 pm

    And now information that the Israeli system shot down Iskander missile.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:14 am

    And if that happened surely that is something they would be crowing about... hypersonic manouvering ground to ground missile defeated by Israeli missile...

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    Post  elconquistador Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:55 pm

    Chain of tweets from twitter user 301_AD. NATO on Russia's southern border?

    Looks like it's over. They were working towards this 'solution' all along. Ditch Artsakh as it's dead weight and hinders rapprochement towards NATO, take out domestic opponents in the turmoil that follows and establish (informal) relations with Azerbaijan and Turkey. Yes, Erdo and Aliyev are now both siding with Pasinyan against the Army (and by extension Russia?)

    I value Putin a lot but at times I'd wish he'd be a little bit more proactive in his policies.

    BREAKING: CHIEF OF THE GENERAL STAFF TO BE DISMISSED. PRESIDENT ARMEN SARKISYAN STATED THAT HE WILL NOT SIGN THE DECREE, WHICH MEANS IT WILL COME INTO FORCE AUTOMATICALLY.

    The decision to dismiss the Chief of the General Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces will come into force on March 4.

    Looks like Major General Arakel Martikyan with replace Colonel General Onik Gasparyan in the coming days when he is dismissed. The Armenia MoD met with him today. (The person sitting closest to the MoD in the photo to the right)

    Armenia is literally against crossroads.
    1. Turkey, Azerbaijan, NATO.
    2. Russia
    What is happening right now is pro-axis 1 forces having control of the government eliminated the biggest obstacle in the way of dragging Armenia towards that axis i.e. Artsakh.
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    That obstacle is now out of the way and Armenia is set to walk in the path of Georgia, Ukraine, etc..
    The way it was done in Armenia was not through anti-Russian slogans like the other 2, since that wouldn't be popular. It was done through a custom-tailored program...
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    ...which focused on stuff like corruption and oligarchy, which was there for sure, but not at the scale magnified by these forces.
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    The Army and the forces loyal to Russia now stand in the way of what is about to come.
    In the coming days expect the army to either take decisive steps or to get purged of personnel loyal to Russia.

    If the army is purged, Pashinyan will have unlimited power much more than he has had in the past 3 years.
    Switching to a semi-presidential system with him being the president this fall is not ruled out in case that happens.
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    Make mo mistakes. Turkey is NATO's workhorse in the Caucasus through which they project power in this region.
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    The people: the people are kept busy with details such as "naxkin," etc..
    This drowns them in details, keeps them from seeing the bigger picture. Years of work has been put by NGOs to achieve this, and they successfully did
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:23 pm

    Eventually he will go as the hate for him is mounting.

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    Post  Isos Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:57 pm

    Russians have a base on both sides of Armenia. I would be carefull if I was him...

    Few days ago a video appeared wvere a russian Mig-29 was flying above Yerevan. A clear message.
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Mar 03, 2021 4:41 pm

    Isos wrote:Russians have a base on both sides of Armenia. I would be carefull if I was him...

    Few days ago a video appeared wvere a russian Mig-29 was flying above Yerevan. A clear message.

    He didn't get the message. He was too busy busing in people from all over Armenia to show their support in him, and too busy blaming others for his fuckup.

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    Post  Mindstorm Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:26 am

    Armenian authorities should find the courage to say to Armenian people  :

    "Yes, what all of you have suspected is true: we have effectively abandoned Arkhsath brothers alone in theirs fight against Azerbaijani forces ,our divisions have never crossed our borders and all our most important offensive and defensive military systems has been never employed in the area of conflict, but if all of us can still debate of the subject is just the achiemevement of this terribly difficult choice"

    At this point should follow a detailed and serious description of the geo-political situation included the International Law's implications of the status of Nagorno-Karabath region and of a potential unlawful intervention by part of Armenian in the area of conflict and the existential threat that would have represented the contemporary combination of the almost certain intervention of Turkey on the side of the "invaded" Azerbaijan and the loss of the shield against external aggression aaginst Armenian territory represented by the ОДКБ.


    At this point all the lies that has been uttered to maintain the ridiculous masquerade about the Armenian support for Artsakh's Forces would become useless and a serious ,conscious debate would instead open in Armenian society about those old and unresolved questions.

    This is the only way out.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:38 am

    Problem is, if they admit to it, it would spell the end of Soros sock puppet in power thus he won't do that. No one will. If he admits it, he is done. If the military admits it, then people will question why did they lie?

    Everyone's ass is on the fire over this and no one will admit the truth.

    Russia is blamed all the time, but they came in and saved the day in Karabakh. If it wasn't for Russia, all of the people would be wiped out.

    Armenia isn't lost to Russia as all sides are demanding for increased Russian presence. Issue is what will Pashinyan do now? He knows he is in hot water hence why he is created these parades like Navalny does, to give the impression people give a shit about him. But it's the opposite.

    It would be better to vote no confidence in the asshole and hold early elections.
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    Post  elconquistador Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:03 am


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    UPDATE: after the opposition met with the President, Artur Vanetsyan, one of the opposition leaders stated that Pashinyan's proposal to dismiss Onik Gasparyan will be sent to the Constitutional Court. In case that happens, Gasparyan will remain in office until the CC decides.

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    Reports: the security of the government residence, where the Prime Minister stays is being strengthened.



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    Post  elconquistador Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:08 am

    Armenia isn't lost to Russia as all sides are demanding for increased Russian presence.

    This is a cope. Any Sorosite puppet is by default bad news for Russia. If the globalists get their way and the Army gets purged of any old school type ex-Soviet at-least-neutral-to Russia cadres than it's game over for Putin.

    Erdo and Aliyev are on board in this little play
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    Post  Backman Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:26 am

    elconquistador wrote:Chain of tweets from twitter user 301_AD. NATO on Russia's southern border?

    Looks like it's over. They were working towards this 'solution' all along. Ditch Artsakh as it's dead weight and hinders rapprochement towards NATO, take out domestic opponents in the turmoil that follows and establish (informal) relations with Azerbaijan and Turkey. Yes, Erdo and Aliyev are now both siding with Pasinyan against the Army (and by extension Russia?)


    That obstacle is now out of the way and Armenia is set to walk in the path of Georgia, Ukraine, etc..
    The way it was done in Armenia was not through anti-Russian slogans like the other 2, since that wouldn't be popular. It was done through a custom-tailored program...

    This strategy for them might look half assed doable on paper. But how will it ever work in reality ? Are Armenians and Azeri people going to become friends overnight on the Artsakh border because Pashinyan is selling out to Erdo and Aliyev ? They really think that they can tell the Russian troops to leave because Armenians and Azeri are friends now ?

    That's not going to happen.

    Its amazing how brazen and looney these ideas are. Its annoying that it hasn't blown up in their face yet. Pashinyan better have a good security detail.

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    Post  Backman Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:29 am

    elconquistador wrote:
    Armenia isn't lost to Russia as all sides are demanding for increased Russian presence.

    This is a cope. Any Sorosite puppet is by default bad news for Russia. If the globalists get their way and the Army gets purged of any old school type ex-Soviet at-least-neutral-to Russia cadres than it's game over for Putin.

    Erdo and Aliyev are on board in this little play

    So Christian Armenians and Muslim Azeri and going to be friends after this bloodbath ? Yeah right.

    These retards are playing with fire.

    Opposition leader says "prepare for an uprising and be ready to seize power at lightning speed" (I cant stand watching that shifty little rat Pashinyan. You can see that this Turkish program is totally on Pashinyans side)

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    Post  elconquistador Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:58 am

    I didn't say they were going to be friends, but in these Sorosite tier oligarchies-dressed-up-like-democracies, does it matter anyway?

    Tye user quoted above (301_AD) had a proper lay down on how Pasinyan now runs Armenia a couple of days ago, and how grassroots demands are currently either blocked or led to certain co-opted gatekeepers. The media, education and local politics are all in the process of being subverted. The globalists work through foreign NGOs, mega corporations and faceless multilateral organisations.

    They + the local oligarchs matter more than the opinion of a million Armenians

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:18 pm

    ...which focused on stuff like corruption and oligarchy, which was there for sure, but not at the scale magnified by these forces.

    Which is what the west is trying to do in Russia with the sock puppet Navalny...

    The obvious problem is that if Armenia wants to be friends with HATO and Turkey and Azerbaijan then this is all about nothing... NK and Armenia and Azerbaijan and Turkey can all become one country and there need not be any more fighting...

    Except I can't see complaints about rich people will get the Armenian people to suddenly become best buddies with Azerbaijan or Turkey and seeing their leader being defended by the leaders of those two countries is probably the biggest sign that he is not on Armenias side.

    The Armenian people need to decide.

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    Post  elconquistador Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:27 pm

    Backman wrote:
    elconquistador wrote:
    Armenia isn't lost to Russia as all sides are demanding for increased Russian presence.

    This is a cope. Any Sorosite puppet is by default bad news for Russia. If the globalists get their way and the Army gets purged of any old school type ex-Soviet at-least-neutral-to Russia cadres than it's game over for Putin.

    Erdo and Aliyev are on board in this little play

    So Christian Armenians and Muslim Azeri and going to be friends after this bloodbath ? Yeah right.

    These retards are playing with fire.

    Opposition leader says "prepare for an uprising and be ready to seize power at lightning speed" (I cant stand watching that shifty little rat Pashinyan. You can see that this Turkish program is totally on Pashinyans side)


    I'd like to see this happen but I am not expecting anything. Any 'coup' by the military will be met with heavy sanctions and a possible 'counter coup' (like Myanmar). Globalists don't like losing and they usually have no qualms throwing a couple of hundreds of human lives away in the process.
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    Post  kvs Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:10 pm

    It is by now clear that the ex-USSR limitrophes have serious mental issues. They were basically leeches in the USSR and it shows
    now in the form of deep resentment against Russia for the end of the gravy train. So they are desperately trying to crawl up
    NATzO ass to get back to their perverse normal. The people in these limitrophe statelets are a big disappointment and a write
    off. Like the Ukrs they swallow all the anti-Russia shit that is fed to them and that they look for themselves. Russia does not
    need these clowns. Let NATzO feed them.

    A key detail is that the bases around Russia is a concept from ancient history. These bases have no value militarily. They
    are only token flags showing NATzO occupation. The soft-power infiltration of Russia is not predicated on proximity to Russia's
    border. So wasting resources trying to secure these statelets is all loss and no gain. In fact, it would promote more resentment
    and more toxic neighbour crap. Putin's policy on Ukraine has totally snookered big NATzO plans to place it as a yoke on Russia's
    neck. Instead, NATzO has to feed their pets all by itself and it will utterly fail to force Russia to feed them via gas transit. That
    is really a pathetic effort since there is nowhere near enough money involved to keep a country the size of Ukraine afloat.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:31 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:Armenian authorities should find the courage to say to Armenian people  :

    "Yes, what all of you have suspected is true: we have effectively abandoned Arkhsath brothers alone in theirs fight against Azerbaijani forces ,our divisions have never crossed our borders and all our most important offensive and defensive military systems has been never employed in the area of conflict, but if all of us can still debate of the subject is just the achiemevement of this terribly difficult choice"

    Once in a while I don't agree with you and this is one of them. NK had not been attacked until the traitor Pashinyan arrived in power, despite that condition you mention not having changed vs that in the past, they knew the bastard would not do anything because they know what his role for the West is, to create problems for Russia at the Caucasus by all means possible, even if it means the end of his own country, so Russia was prevented from being a valid deterrent once the country was run by a NATO stooge. That is the first and most critical issue, but even then a sovereign Armenia could have recognised Artsakh and run to their help while creating political action at UNSC level, Russia in turn would have not allowed them to be overrun by Turkey. The evil clown did nothing, just threw this countrymen under the bus and run to NATO's arms for cover. Now he is siding with the worst enemies of his country and executioners of his people to counter his domestic rivals, he is shouting out loud to be hanged from the tallest tree in Armenia and I seriously doubt all NGOs in this world can keep him in power for much longer...

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:42 pm

    elconquistador wrote:
    Backman wrote:
    elconquistador wrote:
    Armenia isn't lost to Russia as all sides are demanding for increased Russian presence.

    This is a cope. Any Sorosite puppet is by default bad news for Russia. If the globalists get their way and the Army gets purged of any old school type ex-Soviet at-least-neutral-to Russia cadres than it's game over for Putin.

    Erdo and Aliyev are on board in this little play

    So Christian Armenians and Muslim Azeri and going to be friends after this bloodbath ? Yeah right.

    These retards are playing with fire.

    Opposition leader says "prepare for an uprising and be ready to seize power at lightning speed" (I cant stand watching that shifty little rat Pashinyan. You can see that this Turkish program is totally on Pashinyans side)


    I'd like to see this happen but I am not expecting anything. Any 'coup' by the military will be met with heavy sanctions and a possible 'counter coup' (like Myanmar). Globalists don't like losing and they usually have no qualms throwing a couple of hundreds of human lives away in the process.

    Military still runs Myanmar.

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