Project 885: Yasen class #2

Comparing the Yasen-M with the American Virginia SSN-774 class, it is noticeable that the Russian submarine wins in the price-quality ratio. The cost of one Yasen-M is about 50 billion rubles, while the Virginia costs about 2.8 billion dollars. The Yasen also surpasses its American counterparts in terms of diving depth and weapons capabilities.

So for those claiming Russian submarines are even more expensive for Russia than US submarines are for the US taxpayer, 50 000 000 000 rubles works out at about 490 million US dollars....

https://cash.rbc.ru/converter.html?from=RUR&to=USD&sum=50000000000&date=&rate=cbrf

What happened? Did reality finally start to sink in?

Perfectly normal... Russia has always been simultaneously the most dangerous and aggressive country on the planet and also the weakest country on the brink of collapse.

It depends on whether they want funding or have to justify their current and projected levels of spending they deem necessary for the future.

This is perfectly normal.
Talking heads need attention, and nothing sells better than fear.
And the best way to have it is to feed the public with stories vectored by 180deg.

Objectively, since the introduction of the 671RTM Russkie led the race. While with the earlier models, they have experimented heavily. Every single western success story is based on claims we can't objectively confirm. Nor deny. Still, Soviets were winning in every category that was objective and could be described by solid numbers. Funny, isn't it?

It should be added that Yasen M and Borey A probably have a completely new KTP-6 reactor. The new design is characterized by the fact that the reactor itself and its first circuit are mounted in one housing. The steam generator is integrated with the reactor pressure vessel itself. Thanks to this, the reactor can achieve 100% power on natural coolant circulation without the participation of pumps forcing the coolant flow. Previously, natural circulation was only possible at low reactor power of about 30%. The French supposedly have a similar solution.

... and the pumps are one of the major sources of noise, along with noises generated by a laminar flow of the coolant, pipe resonation etc. Encapsulating coolant flow in the reactor mount itself allows very efficient silencing.
This sub is unmatched by anything at the moment.
We need more Marvel! Aquaman must sink at least two of those, with his oversized fork!

The US had to chase the perfection of the 971. At that time they had nothing on the level of the 971. The OK-650 reactor already provided natural circulation at 30% power. The 688 units did not have such capabilities. In addition, the 971 had much better hydroacoustic characteristics of the hull, a smaller crew, better diving depth of up to 600m, more armament and so on and so forth.
Lest I forget, it was packed with non-acoustic methods of detecting submarines and surface ships

688 is a cheap piece of pipe constructed to match the Soviet numerical superiority.
It still sucked at the very core objectives, being 2-3 times more expensive than Soviet subs that outmatched it at any parameter.
And this is how it goes.
If your sub is slower, can't dive as deep, must be operated by double the crew, and carries less ordnance on board - you can always make a video game where 688 will be better than anything.
And fill the Google and Wikipedia with tons of crap, falsifying the real numbers. You wrote "speed around 30kts" where the real one is 25, or "weapon load about 30" where the real number is 28. This is how you fight with the fact, that the Soviet sub speed is 32kts, and the weapon load is 32 pcs—suggesting that you are in the same range.
Murican propaganda has not started a decade or two ago, it has worked with the same method for decades.

I read about the catastrophic lack of manpower in the Navy years ago, and the situation was only deteriorating after.
Considering the American average, they need two people to read and write.

. and the pumps are one of the major sources of noise, along with noises generated by a laminar flow of the coolant, pipe resonation etc. Encapsulating coolant flow in the reactor mount itself allows very efficient silencing. wrote:

The Russians have used another interesting patent when it comes to eliminating or reducing the use of pumps. They have used special seawater scoops in their ships to cool the reactor, etc. The scoops draw water to cool the reactor while the ship is moving, without the need for loud pumps. Thanks to this, the system is silent. The British use a similar patent. The US used something similar on the Narwahl, but only there, explaining that their strict regulations do not allow the use of this type of scoop for cooling water. In photos of Russian ships in dock, etc., this characteristic scoop can be seen very often.

Sevmash confirmed Bratsk construction is to start.

Excellent!

I like how nuke sub construction pace is coming along

If they hit planned 12 Yasens and 14 Boreis they will finally plug the post Soviet hole and be set up for the future

I fact 13th and 14th Boreis would already be first steps in the future

They don't need so many of those.
Anteys are being regularly modernized, and Orel will be back on duty this year.
The same applies to 971.

It should be remembered that at least two Poseidon drone carriers are under construction, which will be an additional force to the SSBN, and the 667BDRM will also sail a little more. The Russian SSBN fleet is in very good condition and no one can compare to them in the world.

ALAMO wrote:They don't need so many of those.
Anteys are being regularly modernized, and Orel will be back on duty this year.
The same applies to 971

Need them or not it's the number they are officially targeting and one which they are on their way of hitting

A good call if you ask me, better to have them and not need them then need them and not have them like they already did in 90s and later

It's always good to stockpile for rainy day

Submarines aren't AKs or ATVs, you can't just slap them together in the middle of a war, you need to already have them

You already have a 10 pcs on duty and building, with 2 more in the pipeline.
It is 12x16 missiles, 6-10 warheads each if needed.
That is more than enough, they will have a whole fukin nuclear deterrence fleet brand new in a matter of few years.

Add to that a dozen 885, 6-8 Antey missile trucks, 6-8 971/945 with upgrades, and two + dozens of conventional subs, each carrying Calibrs.

Those numbers are no other than impressive, from every single perspective.

If that comforts you, Losharik is back

Sevmash.

About to to start these days or about to start this year?

I can't dig anything out, my Russian is barebones

So it will start construction in 2025. They have a whole year. The keel will be either mid-year or late 2025.

I guess they will do that on some occasion, maybe Navy Day 27th July.
But anyway it means that the production is already ongoing - steel is being cut, orders for subcontractors are already lined up and signed etc.
Only wonder if they will continue - a year ago it was announced that the number will be 12 pcs. Which means two more after Bratsk are needed.