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    Post  Mindstorm Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:21 am


    According to Industrial Director of cluster group " Ростех" ,Бекхан Оздоев, the new structure of the polymer fiber armor of " Сотник" ,the composition of which is unique propietary technology of the Company, will be capable to block 12,7 mm rounds from a Browning machine gun !



    https://24gadget.ru/1161071727-v-rossii-pristupili-k-razrabotke-boevoj-jekipirovki-4-go-pokolenija.html

    https://vpk.name/news/483500_popular_mechanics_ssha_rossiya_govorit_chto_ee_novyi_bronekomplekt_ostanovit_pulyu_kalibra_127_mm.html


    The Director has added that the company is developing also new generation of shock absorber structures for "Сотник" capable (very likely with the aid of the in-built exoskeleton) to disperse the energy that the body the protected soldiers will receive from those high caliber rounds and explosions.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:20 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    According to Industrial Director of cluster group " Ростех" ,Бекхан Оздоев, the new structure of the polymer fiber armor of " Сотник" ,the composition of which is unique propietary technology of the Company, will be capable to block 12,7 mm rounds from a Browning machine gun !



    https://24gadget.ru/1161071727-v-rossii-pristupili-k-razrabotke-boevoj-jekipirovki-4-go-pokolenija.html

    https://vpk.name/news/483500_popular_mechanics_ssha_rossiya_govorit_chto_ee_novyi_bronekomplekt_ostanovit_pulyu_kalibra_127_mm.html


    The Director has added that the company is developing also new generation of shock absorber structures for "Сотник" capable (very likely with the aid of the in-built exoskeleton) to disperse the energy that the body the protected soldiers will receive from those high caliber rounds and explosions.  

    I also heard on Twitter people claiming it could survive APHE rounds from .50 caliber and 14.5x114mm rounds but I couldn't confirm it. At least the 12.7mm/.50 protection claim has been confirmed.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:59 pm

    New combat gear can get the function of electric heating
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    Russian military personnel can get combat equipment with the function of electric heating. A demonstration of the innovative equipment SLEV-1 took place at the gathering of senior officers of the Central military district in the Sverdlovsk region.

    According to the press service of the Central military DISTRICT, the set of an Autonomous local electric heating system is put on underwear under standard equipment and does not restrict the movement of a serviceman.

    "The duration of continuous Autonomous heating on a single battery is at least 12 hours at maximum power," the report says.

    In total, the Central military DISTRICT received about 1,000 sets of SLEV-1s, which will be distributed to special forces units.

    According to TASS, the new equipment can be included in the set of protective equipment "Sotnik", which should replace the "warrior" in 2025.

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    Certainly could find use with Arctic units. thumbsup

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    Post  Hole Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:22 pm

    Texans would love this gear, too. Very Happy

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    Post  GarryB Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:06 am

    This would be amazing for those on guard duty who have to stand in place for long periods without being able to move about much, and I suspect the average soldier would appreciate it too... obviously if you have to stand or sit still for a period of time you can get quite cold even when wearing the best insulating gear... thick winter gear can keep you warm but if you get cold it can just keep you cold too.

    Being able to heat up the body under good insulating clothes means you could then turn it right down or even off as your body, once warmed up can maintain the warmth under lots of insulation.

    This sort of thing would be good in old folks homes too as many of them lose the ability to regulate their body temperature and need extra layers and heaters to get warm.

    Will make useful gear that can be sold on the civilian market for snow skiiers and people who live in colder climates...

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    Post  mnztr Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:42 am

    I have an electrically heated vest I bought from ebay. Its awesome!!!
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    Post  mnztr Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:34 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    I also heard on Twitter people claiming it could survive APHE rounds from .50 caliber and 14.5x114mm rounds but I couldn't confirm it. At least the 12.7mm/.50 protection claim has been confirmed.

    If it can make a 12.7 survivable its already an incredible breakthrough. 14.5 is just a whole new level energy over a 12.7. Like a 12.7 can cut you in half vs a 14.5 will vaporise 1/3 of your body where it cuts you in half.
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    Post  Isos Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:26 am

    Does it protect from the shoke wave ? Even 9mm on your chest while wearing body armor hurts. I don't imagine a 12.7mm hit. It can easily kill you witjout penetrating.
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    Post  Mindstorm Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:06 pm


    Isos wrote:Does it protect from the shoke wave ? Even 9mm on your chest while wearing body armor hurts. I don't imagine a 12.7mm hit. It can easily kill you witjout penetrating.


    This is true Isos : the level of energy transfered by a 12,7 mm round is simply enormous and could easily cause lethal internal concussion damages without any penetration (for 9 mm rounds i do not agree ,the level of energy is very low and often soldiers in modern domestic protective suits in Syria do not even realized to being hit even by enemy 5,56 mm rounds shot at relatively short range).

    This kind of effective protection against those very heavy ammunitions will require not only the new anti-shock fabric elements ,that are practically ready ,but above all a working passive/active exo-skeleton capable to allow the transfer of the energy on the reinforced supporting structure of the exo-skeleton.

    If successful the level of survivability of Federation soldiers, against explosion fragments and concussion and against authomatic fire will increase enormously ; from prelimenary valuations: more than 7 times against lethal damages and 12 times against middle and serious wounds.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:06 pm

    Isos wrote:Does it protect from the shoke wave ? Even 9mm on your chest while wearing body armor hurts. I don't imagine a 12.7mm hit. It can easily kill you witjout penetrating.

    That is the big debate, preventing penetration is not enough with 12.7, so somehow this armour has plastics in it that take the bullet and convert the kenetic energy to heat. I did some rough math and a 12.7 has enough energy to heat up 1l of water by about 3.5C so if it can stop the bullet and have some sort of meterial that converts KE to heat very efficiently with high specific heat capacity it can do it. You may have some slight burns or it may turn into a gas and dissipate.
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    Post  Isos Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:13 pm

    1l of water is 1kg to carry. If it ends up being 50kg it will be useless.
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    Post  mnztr Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:40 pm

    Isos wrote:1l of water is 1kg to carry. If it ends up being 50kg it will be useless.

    Well yes it is, I just used it as an example of how much energy has to be dissipated. If the armour has a higher specific heat capacity and gets heated to even 500C with a small forward blast of super heated gas (like a quick burst of flame) that would be just fine and cause very minor injury, like a scald.
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    Post  Lurk83 Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:25 am

    Call me a pessimist but Id be extremely surprised if they can make something that is still relatively light and usable and yet can stop 50cal. Proposed advances in material sciences etc considered, I still think anything that can stop a 50cal would be bulky and heavy af. Maybe this presupposes an exoskeleton but there seems to be a lot of work to still be done in that arena.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:14 am

    Lurk83 wrote:Call me a pessimist but Id be extremely surprised if they can make something that is still relatively light and usable and yet can stop 50cal. Proposed advances in material sciences etc considered, I still think anything that can stop a 50cal would be bulky and heavy af.  Maybe this presupposes an exoskeleton but there seems to be a lot of work to still be done in that arena.

    Why the skepticism? Existing armor plates rated up to 5.45mm/5.56mm is already capable of preventing penetration from 'elephant rifle' rounds, but the problem is they're horrible at stopping the resulting internal organ rupturing shockwave following it. As demonstrated here:

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    Post  Lurk83 Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:21 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:

    Why the skepticism? Existing armor plates rated up to 5.45mm/5.56mm is already capable of preventing penetration from 'elephant rifle' rounds, but the problem is they're horrible at stopping the resulting internal organ rupturing shockwave following it. As demonstrated here:


    I don't dispute that but first they need to develop armour plates that can withstand 50cal, then they need to make sure they don't weigh a proverbial ton, and make sure they aren't so thick as to make movement too difficult etc, then they also need to ensure that any other materials that are used for shock absorption etc also prevent internal injury and aren't so heavy and bulky as to be unweildly or counter productive. I think they've set themselves a very hard task on a material sciences and engineering level, and while I hope they're successful at this point it seems to be somewhat unrealistic. That said I'm no expert so that's just my 2c/initial thoughts. Watch this space, I guess?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:21 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    New combat gear can get the function of electric heating
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    Russian military personnel can get combat equipment with the function of electric heating. A demonstration of the innovative equipment SLEV-1 took place at the gathering of senior officers of the Central military district in the Sverdlovsk region.

    According to the press service of the Central military DISTRICT, the set of an Autonomous local electric heating system is put on underwear under standard equipment and does not restrict the movement of a serviceman.

    "The duration of continuous Autonomous heating on a single battery is at least 12 hours at maximum power," the report says.

    In total, the Central military DISTRICT received about 1,000 sets of SLEV-1s, which will be distributed to special forces units.

    According to TASS, the new equipment can be included in the set of protective equipment "Sotnik", which should replace the "warrior" in 2025.

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    Certainly could find use with Arctic units. thumbsup

    The Ministry of Defense showed tests of new army equipment with electric heating
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    The Ministry of Defense demonstrated tests of the latest domestic army equipment with autonomous electric heating. The tests, as noted, were carried out in the Central Military District (Central Military District).

    On the footage, which was presented by the country's main defense department, one can see that heating elements pass through the fabric of the outfit. Heating is carried out by converting electrical energy into heat. The system is "powered" by a rechargeable battery, which can also be seen in the footage at the moment when a soldier puts on the latest equipment. A small battery is attached to the suit with a special Velcro strap. In addition to the underwear, the fighter's outfit also includes peculiar socks.

    Heating can be turned on while directly in the cold. For this, a heating control system with three buttons is provided, which can be easily pressed even in severe frost.

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    As noted, parts of the suit can be independently heated. The maximum heating temperature corresponds to the human body temperature - about 36 degrees. If you switch the mode to a minimum, then the system will provide heating to temperatures of about 32 degrees Celsius. At the same time, the system warms up to the desired temperature in a matter of minutes (up to 3 minutes). It can provide a soldier with heat on a double battery charge for several hours, including in conditions when the air temperature is below minus 30 degrees. The specific time of use depends on the air temperature and the mode of operation.

    It is reported that the next stage of testing is in arctic conditions.




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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:32 am

    The huge revolutionary thing about the Sotnik and Ratnik programmes before is that it treats all the soldiers gear as one system instead of a collection of separate items that can be used together.

    They can develop an outer armoured shell on which they have active camouflage material making the soldier difficult to see or identify, but they also need a heating system as shown above but also they need battery power for their electronic equipment so imagine combining the issues and developing a gel type battery with heating elements inside that can be used for heating or cooling the soldier on station, with the layer of gel being the battery able to store electricity but also absorb impacts to the outer layer.... perhaps a layer inside the battery is not for storing electricity but is a special material that is soft and fluid in normal conditions that goes hard when impacted as an extra hard layer between two gel layers that provide electrical storage for the soldier to operate away from vehicles, but also as a soft trauma layer for use beneath the actual protective layer that stops heavy fast moving bullets and also fragments.

    Of course the idea of making soldiers resistant to heavy machine guns will just result in new machine gun rounds likely using flechettes and perhaps more exotic materials like plasma forming HE rounds. Peer enemy troops will likely just start hosing down enemy infantry with 57mm cannon shells or poison gas.

    The liquid could include pezio electric crystals that generate a small electric current when crushed or force is applied. So a layer in the sole of the boot or in the leggings could generate a small electric current every step you take... it might not power a radio but it might be enough to power a pair of electrically heated socks to keep your toes from freezing.

    Often when you get cold and your core body temperature starts to drop your body struggles to keep your whole body warm... it normally alters your blood circulation to keep your brain and vital organs warm meaning your fingers and toes get reduced warmth, so while a heated vest is a good thing, heated gloves and socks are also important.... most important for soldiers not doing anything... a soldier standing guard will have trouble keeping warm, so a 10 minute burst of these heaters can get their bodies warm and could then be turned down or off while their bodies use the insulation of their clothes to stay warm... wind proof outer layers are essential for this... as is keeping dry.

    Obviously critical for battery components to be close to the skin so they don't lose charge in the cold... which would be why a gel battery might be a good idea too as it will be more comfortable as well as shock absorbing.

    Any speculation about the meaning of the three buttons on the heating suit. F, B and N seem to be the labels used?
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:45 pm

    Russia has created a combat exoskeleton equipped with engines. 

    The first prototype of a combat exoskeleton equipped with electric motors, which can be part of the equipment of a soldier of the future, was created in Russia, the Rostec state Corporation told RIA Novosti at the Army-2021 forum.

    The latest exoskeleton works in two modes. In active mode, the physical capabilities of a person are enhanced by servos — gearless electric motors powered by batteries. This mode is activated when the soldier moves over rough terrain or mountains. In passive mode, the exoskeleton is designed to move on a horizontal surface with a load.

    "An exoskeleton that we are creating together with our colleagues from the MSU Mechanics Research Institute. It reduces the load on the musculoskeletal system by 50%, energy costs when running and walking — by 15 percent, allows you to carry up to 60 kilograms of cargo and shoot automatic weapons 20 percent more accurately" – Bekhan Ozdoev, industrial Director of the Rostec cluster of weapons, ammunition and special chemicals said. 

    The exoskeleton servos are equipped with positional sensors, as well as pressure sensors in the feet, due to which the exoskeleton adapts to human characteristics, does not restrict movement and allows you to move intuitively.

    The development was presented to the general public at the Rostec demo center at the Army-2021 forum. The system is being developed jointly by Tsniitochmash (part of Rostec) and the Research Institute of Mechanics.
    According to Vladimir Budanov, Head of the General Mechanics Laboratory at the Lomonosov Moscow State University Research Institute of Mechanics, the use of gearless motors allows the exoskeleton to be used both in active and passive mode.
    "We also intend to introduce composite elements into the design of the exoskeleton, focus on improving the batteries and control system" – the specialist added.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:05 am

    I would add that the claim that a 9mm pistol bullet can hurt and a 223 round might go unnoticed are both true despite the 223 being the more potent round.

    If you are wearing body armour to stop pistol bullets it most likely will be soft armour which is light and flexible (compared to other body armours... quite heavy compared with a t shirt... but because it is just soft woven layers of fabric a hit from a bullet can be traumatic and painful.

    To stop rifle calibre rounds like 223 you need trauma plates as well as fabric layers... the old plates were metal normally, but the new ones tend to be ceramic, and because the impact of the projectile moves the entire plate in effect the energy of the round is spread across the plate and you might not even notice it.

    The chest plates they use are probably 5-10 times a larger area than a rifle stock and when you fire a rifle bullet its "energy" is spread across the rifle stock as well as reduced by the force applied by your hand on the pistol grip and the front of the rifle... spreading the energy and making it comfortable.

    In theory a 50 cal round could also be stopped but as the energy increases then obviously the technology and area that receives that energy needs to increase too.

    The Kord HMG can be fired from a bipod, or from a standing position... not easy, but possible.

    The Machine gun itself weighs 25kgs so that will help absorb the energy too.

    The secret is to spread the impact energy over time and over area.... it is concentration of all its energy on the tip of the bullet which allows it to pass through most normal natural unprotected targets... including elephants.

    Material to stop penetration plus solid material to spread the weight that the outer material stops from penetrating, and then a thick soft layer that will allow the front two layers from moving a few cms without crushing the body of the person behind should suffice... the problem has always been that outer layer that stops the penetration in the first place, which they seem to have cracked.

    This is stuff they could put in several layers on an armoured vehicle structure... imagine a layer under the ERA plate that a kinetic APFSDS round could not penetrate... a few inner spaced armour gaps and it would be excellent protection... with a few solid layers to stop spall and other crap.

    These exoskeletons are probably going to be very useful... I would think the extra power everything is using that some form of gel battery could be developed both to keep everything running but also as a potential heating system... get the gel to a comfortable temperature and use that to keep the soldier warm and comfortable. It would be a nice even heat because all the gel would be roughly the same temperature and spread that temperature evenly over the body... and the enormous potential for storing an enormous amount of electrical charge with a battery of that size and volume.

    Some sort of electricity manager would be needed to distribute electrical current to the various devices... perhaps mine sensor coils in the soles of the boots and maybe a trip wire detector in the boot buckles... backpack mounted ammo stores with weapons that feed directly from the backpack... or perhaps a chest satchel of belted ammo with some sort of closed linkless feed for a bullpup rifle that feeds near the stock which hangs from your shoulder when not in use but can be raised up and fired quickly... always loaded... no wasting time changing mags... just a total rounds fired electronic counter on the back of the rifle with perhaps a full load 600 rounds per satchel.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:19 pm

    This is essentially Ratnik III and is supposed to be deployed in 2025...

    It will include firearms using new principles.... whatever that means, but also included visors that projected views of where their rifles are aimed... which I took to mean cameras in their scopes used to project the target image into a visor display so you can shoot round corners etc etc...

    Will be interesting.

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