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    Post  nero Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:06 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Russia was not involved in any way in the NK fiasco.  Pashinyan had his mouth stuffed full of Natostani cock and refused to ask Russia for help.

    NK is a great example of what happens when US/EU-backed colour revolutions succeed in putting Soros-trainees into power.

    Regular formations of the Armenian military were also not involved in the war. The war on NK's side was fought by NK's militia formations and some volunteers (most of whom were told to leave by Pashinyan). Armenia did not even recognize NK as a state. Nor did they have any official territorial claims.

    It is beyond me why Russia should have involved itself into the conflict. They had similar relations with both Azerbaijan and Armenia. It was Armenia and specifically the government of Pashinyan that was trying to destroy bilateral relations between Russia and Armenia.

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    Post  Vann7 Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:58 pm

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    Big_Gazza wrote:Russia was not involved in any way in the NK fiasco.  Pashinyan had his mouth stuffed full of Natostani cock and refused to ask Russia for help.

    It is beyond me why Russia should have involved itself into the conflict. They had similar relations with both Azerbaijan and Armenia. It was Armenia and specifically the government of Pashinyan that was trying to destroy bilateral relations between Russia and Armenia.


    that's complete utter non sense.. just a pure lie. Armenia is a nation Russia defend with its own army and have a base there ,  to stop turkey and azerbaijan from expanding.  it was azerbaijan who shutdown the russian helicopter , not armenian..  Russia and armenia have a defense pact.. there is no defense pact between Russia and Azerbaijan.  there are no military bases of russia in azerbaijan.  
    and before pasha was prime minister of armenia , the previous one , was very pro russia as puppet as any politician can be, and Azerbaijan attacked armenia and killed armenian soldiers and putin did not blinked an eye.  Nagornos karabahs see themselves as armenians , they both sare same religion and similar culture and traditions.. Azerbaijan in the other hand is a muslim state under the influence of turkey.  Armenia and russia shares common goals ,  azerbaijan and russia not , turkey wants to restore the ottoman empire to counter Russia , and azerbaijan shares that same goal.

    To think that Russia just allowed Turkey + Israel + Azerbaijant to attack armenia and they don't come to their help is non sense. those TOR defenses that were utterly destroyed with russians officers inside , where not doing tourism , they were there aiding armenia fight azerbaijan..  
    i repeat again, it was Azerbaijan who shot down the russian attack helicopter and they did it
    in armenian airspace.. so with friends like this who needs enemies?  

    Azerbaikan and Russia are NOT friends , anyone who believe that have to be suffering from a brain disfunction.. Russia and azerbaijan are only regional neighbors that choose to cooperate in some issues ,but thats it .. russia relations with azerbaijan are similar to russia relations with turkey.
    they only work in the things they have interest and thats it. this is where their relationship ends.
    turkey and azerbaijan likes weapons and russia sell them..  Azerbaijan is not a friend of Russia , and armenia is much bigger than just 1 person , even if he is a soros puppet or not.. is irrelevant . Russia will not develop a foreign policy ,only based on 1 person alone, armenians gets russian citizenship , have same orthodox religion and they all teach russian in their schools ,this is how close they are , and they are part of russia security zone , while there is no security deals at all with turkey or azerbaijan. .  Azerbaijan is merely a light version of turkey ,with a persian twist.  And russia military now knows ,that azerbaijan and turkey are allies , very close allies and that they both at the same time high potential enemies of Russia and that they russian army will likely need to fight them in case of a major war with NATO start.

    So Russia was involved in the NK -Russian disaster , and if you think that azerbaijan shut down the Russian attack helicopter and destroyed Russia s-300s , TORS and even their iskanderns inside armenia territory for nothing ,then you are in total delusion.   Russia was facing war in the nagorno karabah conflict ,for helping armenia to hold nagorno karabah , is as simple as that ,and they got humiliated big time there , because their soldiers were unable to defend armenia over armenia territorial issues , that see nagorno karabah as their land ,but for lipservice reasons ,don't openly say is their land. But in their hearts nagorno karabah is armenian land.

    Without Russia support ,armenia will have been destroyed completely ,and over run ,and it was this help of Russia to armenia ,this involvement of russia in the conflict ,the reason azerbaijan attacked
    russia air defenses and killed russian pilots.. So stop spreading bs , Russia was involved in the conflict of NK and helping armenia to hold , by giving them all air defenses they asked ,logistics ,intelligence ,electronic warfare ,to give them a chance to hold the attack and FAILED to help armenia to hold ,they were forced to retreat .  So in other words Russia was put under submission in that conflict , Russia had to negotiate the end of the conflict ,from a position of weakness.. and it was this failure of russian hardware to push back azerbaijan and turkey expansion in armenian historical lands, was encouraged erdogan ,to know seek another conflict with russia ,this time in ukraine .
    even erdogan is saying will help ukraine recover crimea.. lol1   So don't lie , azerbaijan is not a friend of russia , aliyev is only an erdogan puppet , another opportunistic backstabber , with ambitions of restarting the ottoman empire.

    facts for you.
    -Russia army was hand to hand aiding armenia to hold their historical lands.
    they used their private contractors ,but they were all of them under communications with russia minister of defenses.. so russia was aiding armenia and failed to hold ,those attack drones and suicide drones were too effective against russia air defenses , once they destroy most armenian defenses , aiding nagorno ,armenian-nk lines collapsed.
    -azerbaijan directly attacked the russian base in armenia ,a few times , there are videos of that too.
    it was only a warning limited attacks , and russia air defenses shot down their ballistic missiles.
    -turkey spy planes ,given by NATO and israel ,where jamming russia radars and hardware in the russian base another fact. in a clear act of war . this is all documented in russian websites and russia did not shot it down .
    -armenia main and official territory  was bombed with ballistic missiles and attack drones , armenian civilians died too, and this was an act of war and russia was under obligation of a security pact to come in defense of armenia ,and join the war officially versus the agressor ,but putin pretended that nothing happened.  

    So trying to downplay it all ,as a "nagorno failure" when 100% of their hardware was russian one,
    very modern hardware ,and russia was fully helping armenia to hold versus azerbaijan attacks over nagorno is not only dishonest , but ridiculous. Russian army don't need to be physically present in nagorno to help them ,they could help from distance ,shooting down turkey and israel drones , but they were. and the proof is that russian media RT was also present there in nagorno, right in the front line ,so special forces spetnas from russia had to be providing protections to their media staff and also providing intelligence to armenia of azeri positions. Russia military was fully aiding armenia to hold, the attacks of azerbaijan on what they consider their land too , and they failed in this ,and the best putin could do ,is negotiate territory for peace from a position of weakness. Even the Russian navy was involved in aiding armenia , with intelligence and guiding their missiles on azerbaijan les ,of every plane that take off from baku. Russia was a major big loser in that war  , because now the credibility of russian army as unbeatable force in question. all russian enemies nows how russia can be defeated and will use the nk conflict as reference for future wars.

    Had Russia did not had nukes , turkey and nato will have over run armenia and syria already.
    Those russian airdefenses can be neutralized by coordinated drones attacks , but to stop a nuke is a more complicated thing. so russia will have to return to the drawing board and design something else , to prevent any other defeat to nato and israeli drones ,which is what azerbaijan was really using , turkey only assembly the hardware but is NATO and israeli hardware what defeated russia air defenses. so russia will need to modernize their air defenses for more modern wars , drone wars ,using mobile laser defenses , and automatic radars guided anti air artillery and far more effective electronic warfare than the one russia have ,since even russia EW was destroyed at times.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:43 pm

    I partially agree with Vann7

    The crock about Pashinyan being an agent of Soros was just an excuse. Yes he was, but he never had the capability to undertake real anti-Russian decisions, and never did; his arms were tied.
    In any case you don't base your whole policy towards a friendly country, not to mention a military ally - just on the basis of a leader who will come and go.

    The real reason was that Moscow invested a lot into its relations with Azerbaijan, and vice-versa, they are not as they were in 1991 or whenever it was that the Azeri ultra-nationalists seized power and their leader was meeting with Dudayev, and Moscow responded with its motor-rifle division by breaking the cordon around NKR for the Armenian volunteers to stream in

    Moscow was not afraid of confronting Turkey, but it valued its relations with Baku more than to get involved in this conflict, at least in any sort of visible way (there were Russian supplies coming through to Armenia through Iran).
    Iran had a similar approach for different reasons, in fact publicly it never said anything against Azerbaijan and took a neutral position; it was afraid of inflaming irredentist sentiment in its own Azeri-populated north. The outcome of the war clearly alarmed Iran though, now they're racing to sign deals with China and Russia as they see Turkish expansionism and potential support for separatism in their country as a key threat.

    I suspect the reason that Armenia never employed its air-force or regular military was simply - that it could not count on Moscow's support for doing so. If Russia had backed it fully, Yerevan would have done so.

    I'm not here to deliberate about what was right or wrong. One can understand Russia's position. But simply putting all the blame on Pashinyan is disingenuous.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:06 am

    flamming_python wrote:.... But simply putting all the blame on Pashinyan is disingenuous.

    Pashinyan completely ignored the fact that his country is militarily outnumbered, outclassed, in the middle of the war and completely dependent on Russia for it's safety

    He didn't become ruler of Malta, he became ruler of Armenia, there are inherent realities attached to that which he fully and willingly ignored

    Blame definitely goes to him on this one

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:17 am

    Fact is, Russia did not recognize NK, no one did. Not even the Armenians.

    CSTO only applies if the country is attacked, Armenia wasn't attacked.

    What happened does fall on Armenia, its not Russias job to enforce their land claims if Armenia wanted the land they should have said "hey this land is formally part of our country" and work to also get Russia to recognize it.

    Instead, they considered it a separate entity, had its own government. Did nothing when Azeri attacked despite knowing, Azeri was coming for it and never tried to get the rest of CSTO to back their claims.

    So yes it is entirely their fault.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:55 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Fact is, Russia did not recognize NK, no one did. Not even the Armenians.

    CSTO only applies if the country is attacked, Armenia wasn't attacked.

    What happened does fall on Armenia, its not Russias job to enforce their land claims if Armenia wanted the land they should have said "hey this land is formally part of our country" and work to also get Russia to recognize it.

    Instead, they considered it a separate entity, had its own government. Did nothing when Azeri attacked despite knowing, Azeri was coming for it and never tried to get the rest of CSTO to back their claims.

    So yes it is entirely their fault.

    Fact is there's nothing holding Armenia in the CSTO and Eurasian Union other than its reliance on Moscow for keeping Artsakh

    If they lost that they'd go the Georgian route pretty quick, and turn to the EU for handouts in exchange as serving as a pressure point on Turkey and Iran

    Russia and Iran want to avoid that. The end result of the war provides Russian protection for what's left of NKR, hence Moscow has at least 5 years of Armenia's unflinching loyalty.

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    flamming_python wrote:.... But simply putting all the blame on Pashinyan is disingenuous.

    Pashinyan completely ignored the fact that his country is militarily outnumbered, outclassed, in the middle of the war and completely dependent on Russia for it's safety

    He didn't become ruler of Malta, he became ruler of Armenia, there are inherent realities attached to that which he fully and willingly ignored

    Blame definitely goes to him on this one

    And would you remind me what was this great betrayal of Russia by Pashinyan that he carried out precisely?
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:10 am

    what lame excuses.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:38 am

    Putin's stagnation. Why “stability” won't last long
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    Post  Backman Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:26 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Putin's stagnation. Why “stability” won't last long

    Radio Free Europe video. I translated some of the writing. It looks like a cry about the new Russian sanctions against Turkey.

    Quote : "How many Russians are losing because of the closure of Turkey?"

    Im a fan of the EU economy compared to the US. The EU still makes things instead of just selling coffees to each other. But how has GDP looked since 2008 for the EU ? -3%. Stagnation much ?

    The world economy has stagnated since 2008 because of the 0% rate and QE policies after it. Russia has consistent improved the state finances through it while almost every other state has done the opposite. 

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:44 am

    flamming_python wrote:...And would you remind me what was this great betrayal of Russia by Pashinyan that he carried out precisely?

    Who said he betrayed Russia?

    He betrayed his own country (or fucked it over, whatever you want to call it)

    Russia is what keeps Armenia in the realm of physical existence so whenever he plays cute with Russia he is playing cute with Armenia's aforementioned physical existence

    So until Turkey and Azerbaijan get teleported into different dimension it would be prudent for Armenia not to go full retard again

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    Post  Backman Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:08 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Fact is, Russia did not recognize NK, no one did. Not even the Armenians.

    CSTO only applies if the country is attacked, Armenia wasn't attacked.

    What happened does fall on Armenia, its not Russias job to enforce their land claims if Armenia wanted the land they should have said "hey this land is formally part of our country" and work to also get Russia to recognize it.

    Instead, they considered it a separate entity, had its own government. Did nothing when Azeri attacked despite knowing, Azeri was coming for it and never tried to get the rest of CSTO to back their claims.

    So yes it is entirely their fault.

    Fact is there's nothing holding Armenia in the CSTO and Eurasian Union other than its reliance on Moscow for keeping Artsakh

    If they lost that they'd go the Georgian route pretty quick, and turn to the EU for handouts in exchange as serving as a pressure point on Turkey and Iran

    Russia and Iran want to avoid that. The end result of the war provides Russian protection for what's left of NKR, hence Moscow has at least 5 years of Armenia's unflinching loyalty.

    PapaDragon wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:.... But simply putting all the blame on Pashinyan is disingenuous.

    Pashinyan completely ignored the fact that his country is militarily outnumbered, outclassed, in the middle of the war and completely dependent on Russia for it's safety

    He didn't become ruler of Malta, he became ruler of Armenia, there are inherent realities attached to that which he fully and willingly ignored

    Blame definitely goes to him on this one

    And would you remind me what was this great betrayal of Russia by Pashinyan that he carried out precisely?
    There was the usual deRussification talk after the color devolution.
    It wasn't just him though. Whoever let the US build that embassy couldn't have had Russia's concerns in mind.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:17 am

    Backman wrote:
    And would you remind me what was this great betrayal of Russia by Pashinyan that he carried out precisely?
    There was the usual deRussification talk after the color devolution.
    It wasn't just him though. Whoever let the US build that embassy couldn't have had Russia's concerns in mind.[/quote]

    You guys really think Russia's policy changed because of a new US embassy in Yerevan?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:40 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Putin's stagnation. Why “stability” won't last long

    Radio Free Europe? Why not just cite Joseph Goebbels while your at it? Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:02 am

    A variety of opinions being presented is healthy- I hope this forum is independent & isn't suppose to be a propaganda piece for any 1!
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:00 am

    lol.. the latest packages of sanctions from biden administration ,will make their sanctions on China huawei kindergarden in comparison.

    The way the new sanctions on russia are wrote , open the door for absolutely any business of any russian citizen ,big or small to be stopped , like the italian mafia used to in chicago , that send
    criminals well dressed ,with baseball bats and guns and ask money for "protection" ,from who?
    from them , and then if they disagree they start breaking things in the shop and hit the owners too and then repeat the same thing in the next shop not under their control.

    The biden admin next sanctions is a declaration of full war on Russia economy , and the only thing left in terms of economy war ,is  disconnecting russia from swift payment system ,that  might not matter at all if everyone agree or at least europe , agree to obey US sanctions. This sanctions also allows US to justify the closure of any russian business in america and europe and in any part of the world they influence . So a russian restaurant in new york city could be closed for example and their owners even arrested if their business helps in any way the russian economy.  So creating jobs in russia for russian citizens or anywhere in the world,that helps russia economy in form of taxes ,is now a crime according to Biden administrations new sanctions. lol1


    Didn't i told ,that as Putin develops Russia as a saudi arabia of euro-asia , that most of their income comes from oil and gas and food , depending on  the anglo western system ,anglo west banking world ,anglo west internet , anglo west created united nations , that Russia will never ever develop
    and grow for real their country ,outside of its borders ?

    All this 20 years of putin in power ,have been a waste of time , the economy is in complete stagnation ,and the west can bring it down , to the venezuelan way , you will see and without firing
    a bullet . all they need is to get the right people to rule germany and france and continue creating
    ukraine and syrian like conflicts in russian borders and you will see how the population will start protesting in the millions across all Russia and without mentioning the mass exodus of people ,from the nation which is already happening.

    stagnation =  the state of not flowing or moving , lack of activity, growth, or development.

    this is completely true , and i have been saying this . Russia suffers from 20 years of economic development stagnation. growth yes ,but without development . when the russian economy is exactly
    the same as it was 20 years ago ,depending lazy economic models ,like commodities ,energy ,food and mining and weapons sales , this is an example of a country that have experienced next to zero development of their economy because is exactly the same commodities focused business model ,when putin came to power and the only new thing , that putin did ,was to privatize the energy and modernize the military ,but the economic model is exactly the same thing.. a stagnated economic development  .  

    the only hope , in all this is that the polite president of russia realize that it will be IMPOSSIBLE
    for him or anyone in the future to ever reach an agreement with the west on anything ,as long
    russia don't give away their nukes and their sovereignty to the west.. which is what they want.
    to break russia in a million pieces without having to fire a bullet . this is the strategy and have always been. they already did it to the soviet union ,but did not break in enough parts for them.

    The only way out of this open declared war ,on russia economy ,is to dramatically change the government of Russia for a much more younger one ,with experience in western business and western culture. and that they reinvent russia in a completely new way , and fight back the US hegemony with  superior civilian popular business than the ones the west have. And more easier will be if russia start fighting back in a business alliance with BRICS nations to literary create an strong alternative to every global popular business that america have and use as a weapon of influence with the world , to disband the anglozionist system and put an end to their hegemony ,including a new internet too . and space domination can also significantly create the momentum to motivate many new world scientific talent to migrate to Russia. BRICS alliance also could put an end to the western semiconductor absolute domination with no competition anywhere. Putin is the only one to blame for the extreme weakness Russia face today to confront their enemies . putin have been completely abandoning the idea of any competition with western most popular business and he simply wrongly believed ,that russia will be allowed to continue building pipelines in peace ,to increase their economy. none of those putin nukes , or hypersonic missiles will help putin in any way to fight back the west , because the west never intended to fight a missile war with russia , they know they don't need a pfysical war to destroy russia , all they need is to continue dominating in the most popular and prestigious business that society like , as high tech industry and space are , and observe how russia influence with the world significantly decrease when shows to be totally hopeless to fight back the west.

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    Post  Backman Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:25 am

    lol.. the latest packages of sanctions from biden administration ,will make their sanctions on China huawei kindergarden in comparison.

    That is pure hogwash. China ate those sanctions like a bitch and had to reform the whole company because of it. https://www.patreon.com/posts/open-to-all-with-47482074

    the west can bring it down , to the venezuelan way , you will see and without firing

    That is just a pathetic statement. You don't know why economies like Venezuela or Turkey go the way they do.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:25 pm

    A variety of opinions being presented is healthy- I hope this forum is independent & isn't suppose to be a propaganda piece for any 1!

    Very true, but if you are linking information from a propaganda centre like radio free anything perhaps mentioning it is from a foreign agent propaganda source funded by the US government might need to be a thing... they started it...

    @Lancelot and KVS, were those posts supposed to go somewhere else?

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:41 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    A variety of opinions being presented is healthy- I hope this forum is independent & isn't suppose to be a propaganda piece for any 1!
    Very true, but if you are linking information from a propaganda centre like radio free anything perhaps mentioning it is from a foreign agent propaganda source funded by the US government might need to be a thing...
    the site mentions it, right below the video screen: Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty is funded in whole or in part by the American government.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:09 pm

    the site mentions it, right below the video screen: Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty is funded in whole or in part by the American government .

    Which is too late to prevent that site from getting a visitor... I would rather not feed their propaganda machine about how many visitors they get.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:22 pm

    I'm sure if u lived in Russia, u would quickly get tired of the official propaganda there too.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:34 am

    flamming_python wrote:You guys really think Russia's policy changed because of a new US embassy in Yerevan?

    No, but Armenias certainly did Suspect

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    Post  kvs Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:17 pm



    Russia has banned effectively the operation of PWC, KPMG and other NATzO auditing firms on its soil. As of April 18, 2021 it is no longer
    legal for Russian companies (banks, crediting organizations, various deposit service providers, insurance companies, private pension fund
    and management, clearing houses and trade networking) to use the services of these foreign auditors. They are agents of a malign
    anti-Russian military bloc that uses every trick to try to destroy Russia. These new restrictions deny NATzO access to important financial
    data on the Russian Federation.

    Looks like things are moving faster on the security front these days. Good.

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    Post  Hole Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:03 pm

    Add to this that more then half of Russias exports are not in Dollars anymore. thumbsup

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:15 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:I'm sure if u lived in Russia, u would quickly get tired of the official propaganda there too.

    I'm not a Russian language speaker, but from where I'm sitting, Russian propaganda is defensive in nature, intended to defend the state from propaganda attacks by the Hegemony/Global Sedition and its assorted minions. Russians don't appear to embark on the propaganda offensives that the West does - such as the (non-existent) state-sponsored doping allegations and Olympic bans, allegations of bombing schools and hospitals in Syria and CW usage, accusations over Crimean "invasion" and shootdown of MH17, the Skripal & Navalny "poisoning" fiascos, puppet NGOs and sponsoring anti-state political agitation, attempts to sabotage NS2, endless sanctions etc etc.

    These are price tag attacks, intended to punish Russia for not obeying Western (US) globalist diktat, with the intention to invoke fatigue in Russias ruling class so that they tire of the abuse and decide to meekly concede so that the Western boot is lifted from the Russian neck. Well such antics have backfired tremendously, and the NATOstani idiots have simply suceeded in goading the Russian bear to finally awaken from his slumber. Even liberal Russians now understand that the West is an avowed enemy that cannot be trusted (though the likes of Yavlinksys Yabloko and similar bands of Yeltsin-era compradors will never admit such a truth). To compound their astonishing idiocy, these cretins repeated the act with China as well!

    The Rising Dragon and the Awakened Bear Vs the Bedraggled Eagle and its sickly chicks.

    I know which side I will place my wager on.... Cool

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon May 03, 2021 7:16 pm

    Made in Russia April 2021



    Ozone opens largest logistics hub in Siberia

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/141129/

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