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    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #7

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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:21 pm

    Alexander Mikheev the General Director at Rosoboronexport said 5 countries are interested in the Su-57 and they're southeast Asian countries, maybe China ? Vietnam most likely but i don't know about the rest and if they can withstand US blackmail.
    https://topwar.ru/185131-v-rosoboronjeksporte-zajavili-o-pjati-stranah-zainteresovannyh-v-pokupke-rossijskogo-istrebitelja-su-57.html?utm_source=website&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=group

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:23 pm

    Algeria is first in mind, there was a mural revealed in one of its airbases with Su-57 painted on it.
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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:32 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Algeria is first in mind, there was a mural revealed in one of its airbases with Su-57 painted on it.

    Yes Algeria signed a contract for 14 or more although they're talking about Asian countries so it's 6 now but god knows how many will actually get past talking phase, gotta say they love showing Su-57 pictures on their military events sometimes, i guess they really like the fighter jet Smile
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    Post  x_54_u43 Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:02 pm

    Rasisuki Nebia wrote:Alexander Mikheev the General Director at Rosoboronexport said 5 countries are interested in the Su-57 and they're southeast Asian countries, maybe China ? Vietnam most likely but i don't know about the rest and if they can withstand US blackmail.
    https://topwar.ru/185131-v-rosoboronjeksporte-zajavili-o-pjati-stranah-zainteresovannyh-v-pokupke-rossijskogo-istrebitelja-su-57.html?utm_source=website&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=group

    If China bought the Su-57, you could power all of Russia with the salt from Sinodefence forums. Not saying it's impossible, especially with the patent information coming out from China's patent office on the Su-57, but still, it would be an insane thing to imagine.

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    Post  owais.usmani Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:16 pm

    Gravity.exe has encountered a fatal error! lol!

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:59 pm

    For Christ's sake, what TO distance is that... without flaps!! Shocked

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:17 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:Gravity.exe has encountered a fatal error! lol!

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:14 pm

    wow... that was a SERIOUSLY short take off run.... It virtually leapt into the air.

    Any future navalised S-57 will hardly need a catapult.

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    Post  Hole Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:18 pm

    Will be even shorter with the new engine.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:58 am

    I would expect Egypt, Algeria, Vietnam. Maybe Iran, Turkey (who is also building a turkey lol) and India.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:20 am

    I have told you Twisted Evil
    I saw that in that interview, his eyes were telling everything.
    I really think that it can start from a carrier unassisted.

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    Post  Cheetah Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:05 am

    LMFS wrote:For Christ's sake, what TO distance is that... without flaps!!

    Assuming a take off speed of between 250km/h and 300km/h, and starting the clock when you hear the AB kick in, here's what I got.

    Average Speed : (250 + 0) / 2 = 125km/h (34.7222 m/s), OR (300 + 0) / 2 = 150km/h (41.6667 m/s)
    Time: 11 seconds

    T/O distance is between 34.7222 * 11 = 381 metres and 41.6667 * 11 = 458 metres.

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    Distances would be a little longer, since it was already rolling when the AB started. It's still not carrier distances, but with a ramp, flaps, and some chocks to hold it in place, I see it performing quite well off something like the Kuznetsov. Also note, it's a complete guess that this thing is taking off between those speeds. It just seemed about right based on other aircraft. I'd also like to point out that this is an airshow, so it is likely that the Su-57 is loaded up with a minimal amount of fuel and no payload.
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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:41 am

    It also depends on the head wind. More wind gives it an effectively faster air speed and so it can take off earlier.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:33 am

    mnztr wrote:I would expect Egypt, Algeria, Vietnam. Maybe Iran, Turkey (who is also building a turkey lol) and India.

    Algeria featured it on their mural, while Erdogan ate an icecream with Putin 2 summers ago while examining it

    India I believe was also mentioned as an interested party sometime around the last year or two

    So that leaves 2 other countries

    Vietnam is penned more as a customer for the Sukhoi LTS

    Iran and Egypt are as good guesses as any
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:11 am

    flamming_python wrote:Vietnam is penned more as a customer for the Sukhoi LTS

    We have a significant area of sea and some islands to defend, so I think, for now, I am dreaming of Su-35 or Su-30+++.

    In my wildest dream I do think of a fleet of Su-57. Embarassed Embarassed Razz

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:29 am

    The Su-57 pilot surrender  Laughing
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    Post  LMFS Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:48 pm

    Cheetah wrote:
    LMFS wrote:For Christ's sake, what TO distance is that... without flaps!!

    Assuming a take off speed of between 250km/h and 300km/h, and starting the clock when you hear the AB kick in, here's what I got.

    Average Speed : (250 + 0) / 2 = 125km/h (34.7222 m/s), OR (300 + 0) / 2 = 150km/h (41.6667 m/s)
    Time: 11 seconds

    T/O distance is between 34.7222 * 11 = 381 metres and 41.6667 * 11 = 458 metres.

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    Distances would be a little longer, since it was already rolling when the AB started. It's still not carrier distances, but with a ramp, flaps, and some chocks to hold it in place, I see it performing quite well off something like the Kuznetsov. Also note, it's a complete guess that this thing is taking off between those speeds. It just seemed about right based on other aircraft. I'd also like to point out that this is an airshow, so it is likely that the Su-57 is loaded up with a minimal amount of fuel and no payload.

    It is difficult to know when the AB is in full power, but other than that the acceleration until take off can be considered linear and we can see that even these values in far from optimal conditions are already pretty short. The aircraft spent almost 15 minutes with AB in the exhibition afterwards, so the fuel tank was definitely not empty, BTW.

    In terms of actual TO performance from a carrier, I am rather certain that this thing would blow anything else I have seen out of the water... even before the second stage engine is deployed, which will probably mean a thrust increase of 20% (!!) and an acceleration increased by that same measure. The plane seems weightless, I don't know if this is because of the sheer lifting surface or because it is more effectively designed and used, but it is simply outstanding for a plane designed to cruise at high supersonic speeds. And all this, without deploying flaps, which is simply mandatory for most aircraft to take off and from which Su-57 regularly prescinds, as if nothing. I have little doubt that a Su-57K with second stage engines could be used from the short runs on a STOBAR carrier with full internal weapons and fuel with no problem.
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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:41 am

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    Post  LMFS Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:23 pm

    Izdeliye 30 is an AL41. Which is really a modified AL31F which is an evolution of the Lyulka/Saturn AL-21F-3A.

    Just a tiny fragment of a really stellar post by one of our favourite experts at a certain board clown censored respekt Embarassed pale

    I just wonder what will happen when the safety bubble where these babies live finally bursts and leaves them exposed to the hard cold reality Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Hole Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:27 pm

    And all engines go back to the diesel engine of the T-34. Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:21 pm

    All goes back to the glowing branch, that an ape took in hands after thunder, silly Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:39 am

    ALAMO wrote:All goes back to the glowing branch, that an ape took in hands after thunder, silly Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Some people just don't give Ugh much credit these days.

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    Post  franco Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:21 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:All goes back to the glowing branch, that an ape took in hands after thunder, silly Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Some people just don't give Ugh much credit these days.

    Yeah good old uncle Ugh! He sure had a way with the women too Cool

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