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    Su-57 Stealth Fighter: News #7

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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:17 am

    Yeah good one, I am also not an aircraft mechanic and maybe they are fasteners and not screws. But in any case you can find hundreds of those Philips heads in many pictures of the Su-57 and many other planes.

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    Post  Backman Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:19 am

    LMFS wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:I believe they cover it with a film then paint.  The pain acts like an adhesive to whatever film they use over it.  I'm not sure how often though one has to reapply film and paint.  I'm assuming quite often thus the Russians and Americans do not repaint and apply the film as often as we may think.  Waste of money.

    The actual problem is protruding rivets or screw heads, all planes have such recessed ones as seen in the Su-57. The F-22 is covered with them and nobody said it is "fake" stealth. It is just Western retarded trolls doing the only thing they know.
    It's a prototype.

    I seen this bullshit being hyped on Twitter 2 weeks ago. There are a lot of pathetic people out there.

    Russia should realize that there's a whole industry out there dedicated to trashing the su 57. So they should avoid shit like this.
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    Post  LMFS Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:36 am

    Backman wrote:It's a prototype.

    I seen this bullshit being hyped on Twitter 2 weeks ago. There are a lot of pathetic people out there.

    Russia should realize that there's a whole industry out there dedicated to trashing the su 57. So they should avoid shit like this.

    Then that "trashing industry" (I liked the concept) would have succeeded in gaining leverage to influence the development project. Russia just needs to raise their middle finger to all these retards and keep doing things as they know.

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    Post  Backman Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:38 am

    From Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/6un4jm/a_single_phillips_head_screw_holds_together_an/

    A single phillips head screw holds together an entire F-15. Not really, but still unexpected to see here.

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    I'm just surprised it's a lowly Phillips, and not a torx, hex, square drive, dodecagon drive, or proprietary secret drive type.


    That's usually all it takes. Just one Google search to debunk their bullshit.

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    Post  Gomig-21 Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:22 am

    Backman wrote:From Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/6un4jm/a_single_phillips_head_screw_holds_together_an/

    A single phillips head screw holds together an entire F-15. Not really, but still unexpected to see here.

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    I'm just surprised it's a lowly Phillips, and not a torx, hex, square drive, dodecagon drive, or proprietary secret drive type.


    That's usually all it takes. Just one Google search to debunk their bullshit.

    lol, when I saw this post of yours, it reminded me of exactly the same thing I saw at one of the many airshows I go to every year. This time was back in 2017, I believe, and it was on the tip of a legacy F-18 Hornet's radome with that exact cap and Phillips head screw holding it in! lol. I was surprised and took the picture of it and have been showing it off ever since. This is the F-18 and I also took a pic of the F-15's just like the one in your post.

    The great thing about this airshow in Rhode Island is they let you walk right up to the jets and touch them and work the H-stabs and stick your head in the intakes and all kinds of fun stuff like that looool.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:06 pm

    I find it amusing that people think planes might be wielded shut or something, like body panels on a car... but the problem is that most of the body of an aircraft contains stuff, and most of it is stuff that occasionally needs to be accessed, so rather than having lots of catches and hinges all over the place they often have screw on panels.

    The ones I have seen for flat head screws normally have a line drawn on the aircraft to show where to tighten the screw to so they are not underscrewed (loose) or over tightened.

    Those images posted of the F-22 are from operational aircraft BTW.

    One of the reasons the F-35 is so damn expensive is as I have mentioned many times if you need to check something under the hood you have to sand off the RAM and peel off the tape that covers all the screw heads and then undo all those screws and lift off the panel, check what needs to be checked and replace anything that needs to be replaced and then put the panel back on and screw on all those screws and then put tape over them and then put a nice even coat of RAM and let it cure and then another coat of RAM and let it cure and however many other layers that area requires with curing times that might be hours at a time at a specific temperature.

    Pretty obvious why it is so expensive, and why diagnostic systems with redundancy make sense too.

    The Russians were smart because just the same as lowering the top speed requirements of the F-16 and F-18 made them cheaper and lighter and simpler, reducing the stealth requirements of the Su-57 means it is simpler and easier to operate and maintain without being super expensive.

    During the late 1980s when the MiG-29 was presented in the west there were lots of comments by ignorant western experts about how there were enormous gaps in the pieces that made up the outer skin of the MiG-29, but the fact was that the MiG had internal fuel tanks which made it heavier but the gaps in the sheets of metal skin didn't have any effect on flight performance, but it could be made faster and cheaper.

    Current MiG-29M/35s have no gaps because they are wielded shut and sections are sealed so empty sections can be used as fuel tanks without a physical fuel tank being necessary... it makes them lighter and massively increases the internal volume available for carrying fuel... it also means no skin gaps.

    The Russians are getting stealth fighters for less than 50 million a pop and it seems to be one of the best performing available anywhere... if this is all they can complain about then great... Sukhoi have clearly done a very good job.


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    Post  limb Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:48 am

    Dont phillips screw cause parasitic drag. I lack itelligence to be an aerospace engineer, but I imagine the + dimples on the crews cause some interference.

    Also i read on keypublishing when it was still alive that the Su-57 is rated only at Mach 2-2.1 max speed because its RAM coating would be damaged from higher speeds. I imagine the F-35 is rated only at 1.6 for the same reason. How true do you think this is? If true, the F-15 and MiG-31 hold substantial speed advantages over 5th gen in BVR combat given 2.5 and 2.8 mach max speeds.
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    Post  Isos Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:00 am

    Only mig-31 can take advantage of high speeds.

    Other fighters don't have the fuel to reach mach 2.5 in actual engagement unless they intercept something 200km away from their base.

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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:15 am

    limb wrote:

    Also i read on keypublishing when it was still alive that the Su-57 is rated only at Mach 2-2.1 max speed because its RAM coating would be damaged from higher speeds..

    I've never heard this anywhere. I suspect its bullshit.



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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:07 pm

    Dont phillips screw cause parasitic drag.

    It would have to stick out several centimetres to actually have any effect. Having regular small bumps on the surface of something aerodynamic actually helps the surface flow attach properly and actually makes it more aerodynamic rather than more draggy... much the same way the dimples on a golf ball reduce drag and improve flight distance.

    You can see during aerodynamic testing when they attach a whole lot of strings to an area of wing or fuselage to see which way the air is flowing over the surface.

    Things like wing fences are used to prevent span wise flow where air flows along a wing instead of over it.

    I lack itelligence to be an aerospace engineer, but I imagine the + dimples on the crews cause some interference.

    Actually a perfectly flat smooth surface has chaotic flow characteristics and more drag than a surface with bumps on it like a golf ball.

    Also i read on keypublishing when it was still alive that the Su-57 is rated only at Mach 2-2.1 max speed because its RAM coating would be damaged from higher speeds.

    Hahahahaha... did they name the specific RAM coating materials at all?

    I rather suspect they looked at all the problems the US has with RAM coatings and decided the Russians would have the same issues.

    If true, the F-15 and MiG-31 hold substantial speed advantages over 5th gen in BVR combat given 2.5 and 2.8 mach max speeds.

    The range performance given for the F-15 would need to be massively reduced if it intends to spend any time above mach 2.

    The 1,500km flight range of the MiG-31 which is an enormous aircraft is mainly because most of the time it operates at mach 2.4 or more... flying very fast burns a lot of fuel very quickly and takes time to accelerate to.... and once you get there you don't turn very much.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:52 pm

    The head of the UAC: the newest domestic fighter Su-57 will be ordered in hundreds

    Yuri Slyusar noted that development of several versions of this machine is expected to begin this year.

    MOSCOW, July 15. / TASS /. The order for the latest fifth-generation fighters, the Su-57, may be measured in hundreds of units. This was announced by the General Director of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar during a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    "We hope that, of course, since this machine has been chosen as the platform, the main machine for solving a wide range of tasks, the order for these machines will be measured in hundreds," he said.

    According to him, development of several versions of this machine is expected to begin this year. “This year we will deliver four cars already. And then our task is to reach the level of 12 cars a year together with cooperation,” Slyusar noted.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11910321

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:19 pm

    LMFS wrote:The head of the UAC: the newest domestic fighter Su-57 will be ordered in hundreds

    Yuri Slyusar noted that development of several versions of this machine is expected to begin this year.

    MOSCOW, July 15. / TASS /. The order for the latest fifth-generation fighters, the Su-57, may be measured in hundreds of units. This was announced by the General Director of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Yuri Slyusar during a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    "We hope that, of course, since this machine has been chosen as the platform, the main machine for solving a wide range of tasks, the order for these machines will be measured in hundreds," he said.

    According to him, development of several versions of this machine is expected to begin this year. “This year we will deliver four cars already. And then our task is to reach the level of 12 cars a year together with cooperation,” Slyusar noted.

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    hundreds of Su-57s!!!!! awwww shit What a Face

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    Post  Isos Fri Jul 16, 2021 1:33 am

    As times goes they will replace su-30/35 so it's bormal they will order hundreds of them.

    That's certainly not hundreds in the next decade. They will stick with the 76 first until 2027-2028. Then another batch will be ordered.
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    Post  Gomig-21 Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:21 am

    During MAKS-2021 airshow rehearsal flights.

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    Post  Finty Fri Jul 16, 2021 6:34 am

    limb wrote:

    Also i read on keypublishing when it was still alive that the Su-57 is rated only at Mach 2-2.1 max speed because its RAM coating would be damaged from higher speeds. I imagine the F-35 is rated only at 1.6 for the same reason. How true do you think this is?  If true, the F-15 and MiG-31 hold substantial speed advantages over 5th gen in BVR combat given 2.5 and 2.8 mach max speeds.

    Not sure you mean by 'when it was still alive'.

    If you mean the British company key publishing, they did a mag on Sukhoi which I picked up last year; It does give the top speed as Mach 2 but doesn't state anything regarding it being due to stealth coating.
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    Post  Atmosphere Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:01 am

    There's no way the su-57 would be rated at M2 Because of RAM heating.
    There is literally no proof of this، it is just some stupid speculation that uses the limits of the F-22 as it's fulcrum

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    Post  Atmosphere Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:28 am

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    limb wrote:

    Also i read on keypublishing when it was still alive that the Su-57 is rated only at Mach 2-2.1 max speed because its RAM coating would be damaged from higher speeds. I imagine the F-35 is rated only at 1.6 for the same reason. How true do you think this is?  If true, the F-15 and MiG-31 hold substantial speed advantages over 5th gen in BVR combat given 2.5 and 2.8 mach max speeds.

    Not sure you mean by 'when it was still alive'.

    If you mean the British company key publishing, they did a mag on Sukhoi which I picked up last year; It does give the top speed as Mach 2 but doesn't state anything regarding it being due to stealth coating.

    It would be extremely funny seeing this platforms get a new glow in the age of high performance sensors and networking.

    For instance, a Mig-31 in it's natural habitat, which is home turf, has access to all the situation awareness in the world due to the amount of radars layered across the country, all sorts of wavelengths, so with a clear picture of the situation negating the stealth advantage, it becomes a very high speed, very high altitude missile carrier with absolute kinematic superiority for both it and its Missile.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:21 pm

    There's no way the su-57 would be rated at M2 Because of RAM heating.
    There is literally no proof of this، it is just some stupid speculation that uses the limits of the F-22 as it's fulcrum

    There is little to no information about the RAM material the Russians use on their aircraft... in many ways RAM is simply a specially formulated paint designed to do more than just cover surfaces with a colour, we honestly really don't know what limitations such things put on the aircraft, but seem to be assuming the Russians will be having all the same problems the US have with their RAM coatings.

    Such a rational is flawed however in that the problems of the F-22 and F-35 to a lessor extent were known when development was underway for the Russian aircraft so we have no reason to think they hadn't taken these problems into account very early on in the programme and dedicated some very smart people to the problems of very high speed flight with RAM coatings.

    A more important factor would be that most of the leading edge areas subject to air friction are most likely to be the angled areas that redirect incoming radar signals in directions other than those the initial signal came from so would be the least in need of RAM to reduce the signal strength.

    If you mean the British company key publishing, they did a mag on Sukhoi which I picked up last year; It does give the top speed as Mach 2 but doesn't state anything regarding it being due to stealth coating.

    Could be a case of the usual projection... the US had problems with this so the Russians probably wont be able to solve it either...
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    Post  Gomig-21 Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:52 am

    Some more rehearsing for MAKS 2021.  The single engine jet seems to have taken center stage for this upcoming show, but this one still has a schedule to keep up with and she's looking really tight.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:29 pm

    Communication and navigation systems for the Su-57 fighter will be presented at MAKS-2021

    Also, visitors to the air show will be able to get acquainted with the S-108 communication and data exchange complex from the Su-35 multipurpose super-maneuverable fighter, with an on-board communication complex based on integrated modular avionics technology

    MOSCOW, July 19. / TASS /. The Ruselectronics holding of the Rostec state corporation will show at the MAKS-2021 airshow communication, navigation and identification systems for the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57. This was reported to journalists in the press service of Ruselectronics.

    In particular, NPP Polet (part of Ruselectronics) will demonstrate at MAKS-2021 the S-111 communications system from the Su-57 fifth-generation multipurpose fighter. "The equipment provides telephone radio communication and aircraft data exchange with other aircraft for various purposes, as well as with ground, air and surface control points. The equipment uses the latest high-speed information transfer technology and uses advanced network solutions," the holding said.

    In addition, the newest development of NPP "Polet" will be presented - the unified system of communication, data exchange, navigation and identification (OSNOD). "Currently, the OSNOD system terminals are installed on the Su-57, Su-30SM aircraft, the modernized Su-27, Su-34, Su-35S and on the export version of the Su-35, on the Il-76 of various modifications, the Il-112V, and also on modernized long-range aircraft - Tu-95, Tu-160. In addition, ground control points and communication centers are equipped with the OSNOD system, "Ruselectronics said.

    Also, visitors to the air show will be able to familiarize themselves with the S-108 communication and data exchange complex from the Su-35 multipurpose super-maneuverable fighter. The complex provides noise-immune closed data and voice information exchange over the air-to-air and air-to-ground lines.

    In addition, an onboard communications complex based on integrated modular avionics technology will be demonstrated. Due to the open architecture, modular construction principle and the use of standardized data exchange protocols, the functionality of the complex can be supplemented and modernized without significant costs. In addition, the equipment can be installed on a variety of media.

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    Post  zepia Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:29 pm

    Part 3 of the Su-57 series by Millennium 7



    Typical opinion you would expect from western kinda "expert".
    Any technologies/approach the west haven't implemented are "in doubt" or "double edged sword".
    And anything the west implemented is "already on the F-35".

    I would say the Combat Approve episodes on T-50 are quite more informative (those are really worth a watch, or even re-watch).

    Don't get me wrong, I do respect this guy for his knowledge in this field.
    He is still contain the same bias as other western analysts when it come to anything Russian, just to lesser degree.

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    Post  marcellogo Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:31 am

    zepia wrote:Part 3 of the Su-57 series by Millennium 7



    Typical opinion you would expect from western kinda "expert".
    Any technologies/approach the west haven't implemented are "in doubt" or "double edged sword".
    And anything the west implemented is "already on the F-35".

    I would say the Combat Approve episodes on T-50 are quite more informative (those are really worth a watch, or even re-watch).

    Don't get me wrong, I do respect this guy for his knowledge in this field.
    He is still contain the same bias as other western analysts when it come to anything Russian, just to lesser degree.

    WTF are you saying there?
    The only thing he said the Su-57 has akin the F-35 is the possibility of project the image of its own IIR camera on the helmet visor i.e. something the Flying Brick fans have tried to sell for almost a decade as a capability unique of the F-35 and DECISIVE for its own superiority to anything other around (this last being decisely denied by USAF pilots and even the producer themselves).
    So, if it is western bias we would need a whole lotta load of it around.
    And he also advice his wievers to give a look at "combat approved" series for better imagines of the ones he can provide...
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    Post  Backman Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:34 am

    Who pulls the chute before you hit the ground ? Crazy Russian nonsense eh 

    For the Falklands we flew a 22.5 unit approach (approx. 20kts slower than normal), the chute was deployed prior to touchdown so that it was fully deployed at impact. The ac was flown onto the runway on the numbers. As soon as the throttles were at idle the brakes were applied. By the time one could focus after landing the speed was already below 100kts. We regularly stopped in less than 2000ft and with 20kts on the nose could manage a 1500ft rollout. Not too bad for a jet that normally needed 8000ft or more!.

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    Post  zepia Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:38 am

    marcellogo wrote:
    zepia wrote:Part 3 of the Su-57 series by Millennium 7



    Typical opinion you would expect from western kinda "expert".
    Any technologies/approach the west haven't implemented are "in doubt" or "double edged sword".
    And anything the west implemented is "already on the F-35".

    I would say the Combat Approve episodes on T-50 are quite more informative (those are really worth a watch, or even re-watch).

    Don't get me wrong, I do respect this guy for his knowledge in this field.
    He is still contain the same bias as other western analysts when it come to anything Russian, just to lesser degree.

    WTF are you saying there?
    The only thing he said the Su-57 has akin the F-35 is the possibility of project the image of its own IIR camera on the helmet visor i.e. something the Flying Brick fans have tried to sell for almost a decade as a capability unique of the F-35 and DECISIVE for its own superiority to anything other around (this last being decisely denied by USAF pilots and even the producer themselves).
    So, if it is western bias we would need a whole lotta load of it around.
    And he also advice his wievers to give a look at "combat approved" series for better imagines of the ones he can provide...

    Well. I'm the one who's biased then. Wink

    After watching that I feel like, it's so hard for these western analysts to admire anything coming from Russia.
    Anything that they would call a great achievement if it came from the west.

    To his credit, many of his videos are educational and I have learned a lot.
    This one just does not. Especially after seeing the combat approved some time ago.

    Looking forward to see what he'd say about the sensor fusion in the next video, though.

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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:21 pm

    Alexander Mikheev the General Director at Rosoboronexport said 5 countries are interested in the Su-57 and they're southeast Asian countries, maybe China ? Vietnam most likely but i don't know about the rest and if they can withstand US blackmail.
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