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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 09, 2019 10:13 am


    But Nikolayev is very deep in the territory of Ukraine and i don`t see any chance of annexing it by Russia, unless there will be a major war between two countrys, which i find rather impossible! Nikolayev was never part of Russia - if you don`t mean part of Russian empire. Also, Nikolayev shipyard is in the state of disrepair, they don`t work, as everything worth there is robbed and sold out out as scrap metal!

    Even if you spent billions fixing that place it would still be a Soviet era large shipyard complex... you would have to spend even more to get it in a condition where it can make new CVNs... and that is not going to happen quite frankly.

    The Ukraine doesn't need and cannot use aircraft carriers... they had two incomplete models in the 1990s and sold them to China and that was a good deal for both parties.

    Why would Russia invest that sort of time and money on a shipyard in a different country from them... if they wanted it made in a foreign country it would be much cheaper and much quicker to get China to do it or South Korea... but they wont... simply because there is no point in getting two CVNs in 5 years time because they wouldn't even have anywhere to base them let alone support their operations or perform upgrades and overhauls on them.

    That sort of infrastructure Russia needs to build for itself and it can do that over the next decade of so while it is finalising the plans for the CVN and also building large ships that will operate with the carrier as well as support vessels.

    Anyway, i was not speaking about the current ukrainian government. I mean that I cannot see the ukrainian state in.this form surviving another 10 years, and maybe even less.

    Actually it is a shame Poroshenko lost the election.... a few more years of his stealing from his own people and provocations against Russia like the good little poodle that he is and the Ukrainian people probably would have strung him up on the nearest lamppost... but the ensuing civil war would have been awful with nobody in the region possibly happy about that sort of result... but Washington and London and Brussels no doubt loving it immensely...

    From what I have heard of the new guy he is no friend of Russia but he is not an idiot and knows most of the economic trade that meant anything for the Ukraine came across the Russian border and not the EU borders... the guy kicked out of office made the same conclusion, which is why he rejected the EU offer and was going with the Russian offer even though he was certainly not by any stretch of the imagination pro Russian... he just was not a zealot who would screw his own people for the American dream.

    In Crimea the shipyards have been modernised and rebuilt and or are in a process of modernisation.
    They are still slower and less.efficient than other shipyards, but they will get there given another few years and enough orders

    Now that they are Russian territory again they are worth investing in... for Russians...

    The United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) told TASS that they “haven’t received any design specifications for the given ship from the Russian Defense Ministry yet.”

    But basic requirements are not a secret... it will be a nuke powered vessel and will be able to carry more aircraft than the K... hopefully they can make it based on that super wide multihull design that is 45K tons, but a more conventional design will be slightly heavier than the K.... in other words about 70K tons.

    If they can get that capacity in a more unorthodox design that only weighs 45K tons then that would be excellent as lighter ships are cheaper to build and to operate...
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    Post  Isos on Thu May 30, 2019 3:43 am


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    At the Army-2019 defense expo next month, the Krylov State Research Center will display models of a non-nuclear aircraft carrier with a 70k ton displacement, an amphibious landing ship with a displacement of 25-27k tons, and the Lider-class destroyer.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6483509
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu May 30, 2019 8:50 am

    Isos wrote:
    Rob Lee
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    At the Army-2019 defense expo next month, the Krylov State Research Center will display models of a non-nuclear aircraft carrier with a 70k ton displacement, an amphibious landing ship with a displacement of 25-27k tons, and the Lider-class destroyer.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6483509

    Models of nothing, no designs that have been approved. It's meaningless news.

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