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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:59 pm

    The following is a post from ZH. It does really fit into any current threads but deserves an airing. Not in italics to ease reading.

    What do you guys think? Does it affect your country too? Is this now going to be the way of the World?

    "Throughout the West, controlled explanations have replaced evidence.

    You can tell that the US presidential election was stolen the same way that you can tell that Covid is being hyped to serve an agenda. The way you know is that no explanation is permitted other than the official explanation.

    Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, and the presstitute print, TV, and NPR media censor all information that indicates a stolen election. Not even neutral election experts heavily armed with facts, and witnesses who have signed sworn affidavits under penalty of perjury, are interviewed by the presstitute media or permitted to post documentation of electoral fraud on social media. It is simply out of the question to give any hearing to evidence. Some Democrats and presstitutes have even called for the arrest of anyone who says Biden did not win or might not have won if the evidence could be weighed. They want to make challenging the official explanation a crime subject to imprisonment, just as in some Western countries any stated opinion or evidence contrary to the official Holocaust story results in a prison sentence.

    The same for Covid. As far as I can tell there are more virologists, immunologists, and epidemiologists who question the seriousness of Covid than there are who see Covid as a threat that justifies lockdowns, mask mandates, and punishment for noncompliance. Yet, the dissenting experts are not permitted to present their evidence to the public. Keep in mind that Fauci and Redfield are not great scientists; they are merely administrators of public health organizations. They are not on the same level as their critics.

    Think about it for a minute. In neither of the two most important issues currently affecting the United States—indeed, one could say the Western world—the validity of the US presidential election and the reality of the Covid threat—is there any public debate.

    Doesn’t it strike you as odd that only one opinion—the official opinion—is permitted. The two most important issues of our time only have official explanations. The public is not permitted the expert dissenting opinion. This doesn’t bother you?

    You would think that there would be a variety of views about such important subjects and that evidence would be presented and carefully evaluated. Instead, all debate is foreclosed. Only the official explanation is permitted.

    This suggests that the evidence for Biden’s win and for a Covid threat that justifies an economic holocaust is suspect and cannot stand the light of day. Therefore, no debate is permitted in order to protect the lie.

    An uninformed reader might say that the courts have examined the evidence and have rejected the evidence of electoral fraud as insubstantial. And, indeed, the reader would have to be uninformed or misled by the lies of the presstitute media.

    The fact is this: No court has examined the evidence. No state court and not the US Supreme Court. The reason that the courts have not accepted the cases is that they do not want to have to examine the evidence, because the evidence clearly establishes that the election was stolen and that the theft was carefully planned in advance. The state courts in the swing states where the election was stolen are protecting the Democrats. The US Supreme Court refused to accept the case on the grounds that Texas did not have standing to bring a case. Clearly, there has been no judicial ruling on the evidence that the election was legitimate. The US Supreme Court will protect the Establishment and the Establishment’s reputation before it will protect electoral integrity.

    The evidence has been refused examination by the state and federal judiciary.

    So much for “American democracy.” So much for the “American Rule of Law.” No such rule exists. Law exists only for the purposes of the ruling Establishment. Power, not law, rules in America.

    The US Supreme Court is an Establishment institution. It makes controversial rulings only when it has the media on its side.

    Note that Hunter Biden’s laptop, which we know for a fact indicates both his and his father’s corruption in the sale of protection, is in the hands of the FBI and nothing is done about the Bidens’ criminal activity. The presstitutes claim that no such criminal activity exists. Apparently, the FBI agrees.

    The protection of Hunter Biden is necessary to protect the “president elect.” Hunter will get away with his ill-gained millions of dollars, and his father will get way with his share.

    Justice in America no longer exists. “Justice” is the retribution reserved for truth-tellers like Manning and Julian Assange, and “justice” means persecution and frame-up of those inconvenient for the Establishment even if the framed-up person is the President of the United States. Coverup for the Establishment and you will be rich. Criticize their growing power over American citizens and you will be made an example of what happens to those who are non-compliant."
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:38 am

    Thought crimes have arrived...

    It is us and them... their view and their reasons are their propaganda and are to be fought tooth and nail.

    Letting them have their say is opening vulnerable people on your side to them blinding them from the truth with their propaganda lies.

    When you listen to Democrats, Trump supporters are a racist minority... yet seem to represent about half the population...

    Covid 19 has created talk of bubbles... social bubbles in terms of isolating each other to minimise transmission of the disease, but I think it also shows the information bubbles that people live in, depending on where they get their information from that isolates them from others too... they think everyone agrees with them and what they think is normal public opinion.

    I often have discussions with people I know who think Putin is evil and he has billions of stolen dollars in western bank accounts... because that is what the news sources they rely on tell them. I ask... if Putin has billions in the west then why doesn't the west simply freeze those assets or just seize them like London did with Venezuelan national gold reserves. They can't answer so we change the subject... isn't Trump terrible, to which I comment wasn't Hillary worse... and how fucked up is the US election system that takes so long and is so ridden with potential for corruption and fraud, and how very political things in the US has become... subject gets changed again...

    Nobody likes having their world view turned upside down... most of the time I think they think I am an idiot and forget what I said and turn back to their comforting view that the west is good and america is great and a wonderful force for good in the world trying to make things better for everyone... almost certainly they sleep better at night than I do, because I refuse to believe such lies.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:55 am

    There is really no excuse for such "thinking".   We now have the rotten crook Biden talked up as if he was the second coming of Obama
    and how the US is going to ascend to a higher plane.   The Canadian state propaganda orifice, the CBC, is showing images of Biden
    in all sorts of stage managed poses to make him look like a great statesman.   They love to present images of leaders that are
    not approved by Canada's US bootlick regime in various less appealing poses.   Biden shows evidence of senility and they edit
    any of it out.  

    How many election cycles does it take for these credulous sheeple to wake up to the nature of their system.   Are they really
    forgetting like what it was under Obummer  and W. Bush and Clinton?   They are coasting on neutral and pretending that there
    are no problems that matter.   Listening to CNN just affirms this desire to stick their head into the sand.

    I personally could care less about their choices as to how they want to live their lives, but they are enabling military aggression
    around the world and their regime which they think is the bestest democracy ever, is planning a nuclear war against Russia.
    Thus their idiocy matters.
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    Post  Kiko on Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:26 am

    US & Ukraine vote AGAINST anti-Nazi resolution proposed by Russia at UN General Assembly, eyebrows raised as Germany abstains

    A Russian resolution condemning the “glorification of Nazism” was passed by the UN General Assembly, on Wednesday, with overwhelming support, though, remarkably. both the US and Ukraine made a point of voting against the motion
    Equally noteworthy was the fact that all delegations from European Union member states, including Germany, abstained from the vote, with the United Kingdom following suit.

    https://www.rt.com/news/509899-us-opposes-nazi-vote/

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    Post  franco on Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:38 pm

    I believe this may answer some of your question. I may have paraphrased somewhat as unable to locate that speech with a search.

    Obama made a speech before leaving office, two points which have stuck with me and this speech was to the "West" not just the US:
    - " we need to educate our citizens to be able to trust mainstream media again"
    - " we need to exert some control over social media to ensure that our version of the truth is reaching the people"

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:28 pm

    Yeah, so in other words, make sure that operation mockingbird continues.
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:42 pm

    If they were not infallible and righteous beyond any shadow of doubt, I would say that is the definition of pro-regime propaganda Laughing

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    Post  nomadski on Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:33 pm


    The way you could guess at the truth of any event in the world , is to give a weight to any news source and then add up the results. Here is an example :


    Truth value ( of news event ) = 25% Russian outlets + 25 % Chinese outlets + 10% European
    + 10% American + 30% Rest of the world + 0% Israeli outlets.

    The weight you give ( percentage points) to news is based on your own previous experience of any news outlet.

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    Post  kvs on Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:02 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    The way you could guess at the truth of any event  in the world , is to give  a weight  to any news source  and then add up the results. Here is an example :


    Truth value ( of news event ) =  25%  Russian outlets + 25 % Chinese outlets +  10% European
    + 10% American + 30% Rest of the world + 0% Israeli outlets.

    The weight you give ( percentage points) to news is based on your own previous experience of any news outlet.


    No formula like this will work. Most of the world MSM is a sycophant or direct lap dog of NATzO MSM. And Isreali outlets may actually
    give out real information.

    Every incident needs to be evaluated using one's educated and informed (through research) brain. The vast majority of this planet
    are neither educated, nor informed by their own initiative. People are indeed sheep, being herded by the world elites through
    the MSM, academia and governments. Autonomous thinkers are heretics or real dissidents (not phonies like the ones in the USSR)
    that are ignored or jailed.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:07 am

    The formula it seems to me is more like any information you get from Sputnik or RT is generally the opposite of what you get from CNN and Fox and BBC, and the only way to make the news from CNN and Fox and the BBC represent anything nearly true is to reverse it.

    Putins lies become Putin telling it like it is.

    Russian aggression on its borders with EU countries is HATO moving troops into EU countries on Russian borders and staging provocative exercises and claiming Russian aggression when Russia moves forces within its own borders to counter the shift, and of course naturally trains on exercises those forces...

    Most of the bad things Russia does is what the west actually does and Russia reacts to... the west projects its own worst features on Russia... and claims moral victory because Russia does not come up to their high moral standards of what is right.

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