Just like you can give me a book from some US-based experts who make claims in books that aren't true.
Playing stupid no, show me a record of a full load aircraft ever taking off from the Kuz then we can talk about facts.
Playing stupid no, show me a record of a full load aircraft ever taking off from the Kuz then we can talk about facts.
Rodion_Romanovic wrote:ok, let's say that the enemy submarine detects that the ship launched one or more missiles...Isos wrote:NATO tracking with radar perhaps, but then any radar signals become targets too, so I doubt they would be operating them as openly in a situation where a Russian carrier will be launching torpedoes at submarines...
Sound doesn't stop at water level. It goes through. A submarine will detect the launch of a torpedo but also the launch of a rocket from a ship just like it will detect a helicopter in the air.
Best sonars can even detect the noise made by humans in the ship.
so if the sub is 50 km away they will maybe know that the ship has launched something (they cannot know if it is an antisub calibr, an antiship missile, a cruise.missile to kill some terrorists 2000 km away or a redut air defence missile.
If it was an antisub calibr, they have one or two minutes more to pray and send decoys before one or more torpedoes enter the water very close to that sub.
andalusia wrote:Is the su-33 available for export and what makes it different from su-27 and su-30?
Is the su-33 available for export and what makes it different from su-27 and su-30?
they have 1 carrier ….
that seems a bit small for heavy fighters like the Su-33 ?
Mig-29 probably better suited ? but lacks range …
meanwhile ….. land-based squadrons - they seem to be replacing Su-24s with Su-30s …. makes sense to me
but does that mean that Crimea and Kaliningrad are like "aircraft carriers" ?
I think so …. ??
meanwhile the Su-57 is a bit smaller than an Su-27 …. perfect for a future carrier ?
seems …. just wear out the current Mig-29s and Su-33s …. get rid of everything else for shore based work
and just use Su-30s ….
and get carrier based Su-57 variants later
and make an AWACs aircraft for the new carrier ?
Il-112 variant ? … seems a reasonable choice to me ? quite compact ...
The Russian Ministry of Defense has formulated tactical and technical requirements for the creation of an Arctic version of the Ka-65 Minoga combat helicopter, Izvestia reports.
they could also drop sonobuoys instead....an anti sub helo that was amphibious that could land in the water and lower a dipping sonar would be more efficient than hovering for long periods with the same dipping sonar...
the Arctic version will operate from new Arctic OPVs & other versions from UDKs & TAKR/CV/Ns, so they can be somewhat bigger. They could be parked with their tails over water, so space won't be an issue.The fact that this new aircraft needs to operate from existing ships and helipads suggests it can't be much bigger than the Helix design..
andalusia wrote:Is the su-33 available for export and what makes it different from su-27 and su-30?
they could also drop sonobuoys instead..
the Arctic version will operate from new Arctic OPVs & other versions from UDKs & TAKR/CV/Ns, so they can be somewhat bigger. They could be parked with their tails over water, so space won't be an issue.
For smaller ships, smaller versions or folding tails could be developed.
With new engines Su-33 will for sure serve another two or three decades, but not on carrier, where MiG-29K/KUB will serve.
IMO, the Minoga will be little longer than the Ka-27 to accommodate a bigger cabin/tail engine with props; they may also develop an AWACS/COD versions with bigger radar/fuel tanks to replace the Ka-31, just in case the fixed wings won't be there/enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamov_Ka-27#Specifications_(Ka-27)GarryB wrote:Even the new design ships are optimised to carry the Helix design helicopters rather than bigger ones like the Mi-14 or Mi-8 family. ..I suspect with this new Minoga type helo apart from an amphibious hull it is going to be very very similar to the current Helix...
GarryB wrote:The MiG-29 might not carry 10 AAMs like the Su-33 but its sensors and datalink means it is better able to track targets and pass that target data to ships, and the newer missiles it carries are lighter and rather better performance weapons.
Isos wrote:Su-33 is still a huge target, specially if it is facing 5th generation fighters, that all russia's neighbours are buying in huge quantities, which drastically reduce the range of its radar against them while with its 20 m2 rcs it wil will be detected at max range.
Its time to move on su-57K+r-77M as the su-57 is ready.
Even with 15 su-57, Kuznetsov will be 10x better than it is actually. With kh-59mk2 it can also act as a nuclear deterrence and they would not have a nuclear triade but 4 means of striking as kuznetsov range + su-57 range+kh-59mk2 range means they can hit any country while being out of danger.
They already have N-tipped SLCMs. HS Zircons can destroy targets w/o being N-tipped.With kh-59mk2 it can also act as a nuclear deterrence and they would not have a nuclear triade but 4 means of striking as kuznetsov range + su-57 range+kh-59mk2 range means they can hit any country while being out of danger.
Isos wrote:Su-33 is still a huge target, specially if it is facing 5th generation fighters, that all russia's neighbours are buying in huge quantities, which drastically reduce the range of its radar against them while with its 20 m2 rcs it wil will be detected at max range.
Esp. after writing that the VMF will be tasked with SLOCs & friendly regimes' protection, which may include power projection ashore overseas, in the Southern & Western Hemispheres.SeigSoloyvov wrote:I don't know why you keep saying this myth that they are designing their carriers according to a long-dead Soviet naval doctrine.
Tsavo Lion wrote:Esp. after writing that the VMF will be tasked with SLOCs & friendly regimes' protection, which may include power projection ashore overseas, in the Southern & Western Hemispheres.SeigSoloyvov wrote:I don't know why you keep saying this myth that they are designing their carriers according to a long-dead Soviet naval doctrine.
There's a reason they spend a lot of $ sending Adm. K to Syria so their VMF could gain training & combat experience in that.
But according to him, that may not be enough to ensure Russia's overseas trade.It would be cheaper at that point to build an airbase and stick some fighters there
Again this is not the Soviet Navy, Russians have shown they want US styled carriers.
I don't know why you keep saying this myth that they are designing their carriers according to a long-dead Soviet naval doctrine.
It would be cheaper at that point to build an airbase and stick some fighters there
Fleet air defense doesn't exclude the need to be able to conduct air strikes deep into enemy territory.
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