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    Post  GarryB Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:41 am

    There is no specific thread for Russian politics, so I have moved this thread here as it is certainly political and has international implications...
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    Post  Kyo Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:16 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:Hi guys, I have heard that Putin is not going to go for presidency in 2018, correct me if im wrong but so I've heard. If he doesn't then who could potentially be one?

    Good question i hope Glazjev is going in or Lawrow, so far no other guy i would trust besides Starikow, but he isn't that well known and is rather fresh in politics even tho the purest of all in his political education a very well read and intelligent man. He is in the PVO party and one of his parties maxims is to federalize the Central Bank of Russia not like most other parties that have no plans whatsoever about federalization of what should be long ago under state control.
    How about Sergey Shoygu?

    Do not think he is up to the task nor to have a good ideology for russia.
    What will VVP do after he leaves office somewhere around 2018, IF he ever does? He'll be still young and healthy enough to remain active. And there are currently so many Russian prospective plans for up to 2020, even till 2022, that he'll be interested in keeping control over them. He'll have to face Obama's sucessor too in the US, which will be a challenge for Russia's future President, given the utter Russophobic speeches of present day main US Presidential candidates (i.e. Hitlery).
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:35 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:I'm thinking the mods should relocate this thread in the Russian politics thread.

    Done
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    Post  andrewlya Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:03 pm

    Kyo wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:Hi guys, I have heard that Putin is not going to go for presidency in 2018, correct me if im wrong but so I've heard. If he doesn't then who could potentially be one?

    Good question i hope Glazjev is going in or Lawrow, so far no other guy i would trust besides Starikow, but he isn't that well known and is rather fresh in politics even tho the purest of all in his political education a very well read and intelligent man. He is in the PVO party and one of his parties maxims is to federalize the Central Bank of Russia not like most other parties that have no plans whatsoever about federalization of what should be long ago under state control.
    How about Sergey Shoygu?

    Do not think he is up to the task nor to have a good ideology for russia.
    What will VVP do after he leaves office somewhere around 2018, IF he ever does? He'll be still young and healthy enough to remain active. And there are currently so many Russian prospective plans for up to 2020, even  till 2022, that he'll be interested in keeping control over them. He'll have to face Obama's sucessor too in the US, which will be a challenge for Russia's future President, given the utter Russophobic speeches of present day main US Presidential candidates (i.e. Hitlery).
    I think Trump seems to be Russia friendly, I hope he does wel in the elections, are there any other US friendly politicians?
    I know two more Ron Paul and John Buchanan, but they have no chance in running the country.
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    Post  George1 Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:10 pm

    Republican candidates are a joke. Democrats will win either with Hillary or Sanders
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:44 pm

    andrewlya wrote:
    Kyo wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:Hi guys, I have heard that Putin is not going to go for presidency in 2018, correct me if im wrong but so I've heard. If he doesn't then who could potentially be one?

    Good question i hope Glazjev is going in or Lawrow, so far no other guy i would trust besides Starikow, but he isn't that well known and is rather fresh in politics even tho the purest of all in his political education a very well read and intelligent man. He is in the PVO party and one of his parties maxims is to federalize the Central Bank of Russia not like most other parties that have no plans whatsoever about federalization of what should be long ago under state control.
    How about Sergey Shoygu?

    Do not think he is up to the task nor to have a good ideology for russia.
    What will VVP do after he leaves office somewhere around 2018, IF he ever does? He'll be still young and healthy enough to remain active. And there are currently so many Russian prospective plans for up to 2020, even  till 2022, that he'll be interested in keeping control over them. He'll have to face Obama's sucessor too in the US, which will be a challenge for Russia's future President, given the utter Russophobic speeches of present day main US Presidential candidates (i.e. Hitlery).
    I think Trump seems to be Russia friendly, I hope he does wel in the elections, are there any other US friendly politicians?
    I know two more Ron Paul and John Buchanan, but they have no chance in running the country.

    Lol...

    All those side "candidates" next to Hitlery are just a show. They do their election speeches in a way that they will not be elected. Trump said stupid shit and out of sudden wants to side with Russians. In a country where Russophobia is a maxim, embedded into the DNA of USA and its foreign policy that due this very russophobic propaganda he will never have a chance. The demonization of Obama by FOX News that he is weak and "we the mighty USA are losing to the russians in Syria" this all mumbling is created so Obama does not have a single shred of chance to get re-elected at the same time this propaganda aims at a candidate that is Anti-russian, because like one american which with i had a discussion about US politicians said the truth about US policy.

    I quote him "We as americans would not feel strong and proud if Ron Paul gets elected." That was his reply when i asked him about Ron Pauls policy of keeping US troops in the US and stopping to attack all nations. That is the basic mindset of majority of americans, War, War and more War. They need war and they deserve a war of their own kind on their own territory so the population gets decimated in big numbers so they see what War actually is. That is not evil that is just education of a population that has brought more deaths then necessary and such a lesson would teach them for eternity that war isn't something good. That is plain and simple rationality.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:38 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    andrewlya wrote:Hi guys, I have heard that Putin is not going to go for presidency in 2018, correct me if im wrong but so I've heard. If he doesn't then who could potentially be one?

    Good question i hope Glazjev is going in or Lawrow, so far no other guy i would trust besides Starikow, but he isn't that well known and is rather fresh in politics even tho the purest of all in his political education a very well read and intelligent man. He is in the PVO party and one of his parties maxims is to federalize the Central Bank of Russia not like most other parties that have no plans whatsoever about federalization of what should be long ago under state control.

    Honestly there's two tiers of who is likely to be the next Russian president: Tier 1(most likely) has Sergey Lavrov, and Sergei Ivanov. Then there's tier 2 (less likely) Segey Shoigu, and Sergey Glazyev. Pick your Sergey's lol.

    What's your thoughts about Sergei Ivanov, strong evidence suggests he'll be VVP's successor of his legacy. He's basically VVP's brother from another mother:

    Putin's Chief of Staff Is a Man to Watch
    Triumphant success organising Victory Day celebrations points to growing influence of Sergei Ivanov

    Kremlinology has never been our thing. However, for those for whom it is, they might care to note that the organiser of the tremendously successful Victory Day celebrations throughout Russia was Sergei Ivanov.

    Sergei Ivanov is one of the most powerful men in Russia.  

    Like Putin he was born in Leningrad and has an intelligence background. He served for a time in the KGB before the USSR broke up. Like Putin his work was in foreign intelligence, not police work.

    Ivanov and Putin are almost the same age (Putin is 3 months older) and are known to be close friends. Putin appointed Ivanov his deputy in 1998 when Yeltsin made Putin head of the FSB – Russia’s counterintelligence and antiterrorism agency.

    A year later Yeltsin made Ivanov secretary of Russia’s Security Council when he appointed Putin Prime Minister.

    When Putin became President in 2000, he appointed Ivanov Defence Minister, which post Ivanov kept until 2007. Putin then appointed Ivanov Deputy Prime Minister with overall responsibility for the defence industries.

    Ivanov then appeared to suffer a setback when Putin chose Medvedev to succeed him as President in 2008. Many had expected he would choose Ivanov instead.

    During Medvedev’s Presidency Ivanov’s career marked time, but in December 2011, after Putin declared his intention to stand for the Presidency again, Ivanov was appointed chief of staff of the Presidential Administration. He has served in that post ever since, in effect as Putin’s chief of staff.

    Ivanov speaks English fluently, as well as Swedish, and understands other Scandinavian languages, such as Danish and Norwegian. He is also said to speak some French.

    He is reputed to be a brilliant analyst.  

    There have been some questions about his skills as a manager. His stint as Defence Minister is sometimes seen as a failure and during his period as Deputy Prime Minister in charge of the defence ministries Russian military procurement appeared to be at a standstill.

    This is unfair.

    As Defence Minister it fell to Ivanov to bring the difficult war against the jihadist insurgency in the Caucasus to a successful conclusion. So far this remains the only case of a non-Islamic power winning a clearcut military victory against an armed jihadist movement.  

    In August 2008 the Russian military won in just five days a decisive victory over Georgia, following Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia.

    There has been much criticism of the Russian military’s performance during that war, some of it reasonable, but most of it unfair. An objective observer would note that the Russian military carried out an exceptionally complicated military operation in sometimes difficult terrain against an enemy who on the battlefield equalled them in numbers at whirlwind speed and with total success.

    The contrast with the chaotic handling of the Chechen war 10 years before is striking.

    Whilst Ivanov was no longer Defence Minister when the war against Georgia took place, the Russian victory in that war is testament to the significant revival of the Russian military during his watch.

    As for the procurement problems, these would appear to have been due more to a lack of resources than to any managerial failures on Ivanov’s part.  


    Moreover, as might be expected from someone whose background is in analysis and intelligence, Ivanov appears to have focused the limited resources he was given on upgrading Russia’s command and control systems, rather than on new hardware. These are essential to a modern military but by definition are less visible to outsiders.

    On close study it emerges that much of the criticism that is made of Ivanov’s time as Defence Minister and as head of the country’s military industries comes from Russian liberals and from the West.

    It would be an understatement to say that the West does not like him.  Ivanov makes little secret of his mistrust of the West and is never hesitant to say so to Western officials in forthright terms and in faultless English.

    I witnessed an example of this in January 2008, at the time of the so- called reset, when Ivanov gave an interview to RT in which he made no attempt to conceal his cynicism and mistrust of it.

    For Russian liberals Ivanov is an arch typical silovik — a politician or official with a background in the defence and security establishment — and is therefore by definition someone to be opposed and feared. The fact that he is known to be suspicious of the West for some Russian liberals is further cause to dislike him.

    Ivanov’s current position as Putin’s chief of staff and head of the Presidential Administration puts him right at the centre of the Russian political and administrative machine.

    The Presidential Administration is the Russian government’s key coordinating and policy making body. It has inherited many of the functions (and allegedly some of the personnel) of the former Secretariat of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, whose former offices in Moscow’s Staraya Ploshchad (“Old Square”) it now occupies.

    As it head Ivanov’s influence reaches into every branch of the Russian administration, while as Putin’s chief of staff he acts as Putin’s principal political adviser and as Putin’s contact point with the state bureaucracy and with the government.

    Whatever doubts there may have been about Ivanov’s management skills have now been laid to rest by his brilliant organisation of the Victory Day celebrations.

    To say that the Victory Day celebrations were high profile would be an understatement. Their overwhelming success cannot but reflect well on Ivanov, their organiser.

    If it was Ivanov who came up with or backed the idea for the march of the Immortal Regiment, it shows he is acquiring the common touch, something he has previously appeared to lack.

    Moreover Putin’s website, very unusually, is carrying a transcript of an interview Ivanov has given RT, in which he discusses the Victory Day celebrations and their meaning for Russia.

    It is unusual, to say the least, for Putin’s website to carry someone else’s interview, and off the top of my head I do not remember seeing it happen before. The fact that Ivanov is being given space on Putin’s website is to say the least interesting.

    It’s too early to talk of Ivanov as Putin’s likely successor, but he is obviously on the up and is someone to watch.

    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/putins-chief-staff-man-watch/ri7057
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:18 am

    Well i don't know about Ivanov, not really much informations about him that i could gather, but maybe it will be the better thing when a new guy arrives, however even in russia he is the least known and popular among the Sergey's and there are also other parties which have a very good politics towards russia like PVO with Starikow and that guy i have no doubt is honest, but he lacks political experience, but maybe that makes him so trustful.
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:37 pm

    Good. Russia should use an iron fist if her rights are violated by foreign powers.

    https://www.rt.com/politics/320741-putin-property-sequestration-abroad/

    Russia’s president has signed legislation enabling countermeasures in the case of the wrongful arrest of Russian state property abroad. The law, based on reciprocity, curtails the jurisdictional immunity of the country in question if not agreed otherwise.

    The document was published on Russia’s official legal information website and therefore has come into effect.

    According to the new law, the jurisdictional immunities of a foreign state and its property could be limited on the territory of Russia on the principle of mutuality, in the case that the jurisdictional immunity of Russia has been found to be suffering limitations on the sovereign territory of that country.

    The provisions of the law would not be applied if Russia and the other country have reached an agreement to act differently.

    The judicial immunity of a foreign entity that has filed a legal action, entered legal argument or has taken any other substantive action in a Russian court will be considered revoked.

    The revoking of a foreign country’s judicial immunity in any given legal argument is irrevocable and will be applied to all stages of judicial examinations.
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    Post  Project Canada Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:16 am

    Khodorkovsky says Putin is leading Russia towards stagnation, collapse

    isn't it that one of the conditions for freeing this scum is for him to avoid sticking his nose again into Russian politics? His sentence should have been extended for 25,000 years
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    Post  Project Canada Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:52 pm

    Revolution in Russia 'inevitable' says Kremlin critic Khodorkovsky

    didn't Berezovsky planned to orchestrate the same thing several years ago? a violent revolution in Russia? look how that worked out for him, I really hope this idiot ends up just like him, committing suicide and all his riches obliterated
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:59 pm

    I guess he missed the known popularity of Putin. And now will have even more trouble trying to topple Putin because all these NGO's are being black listed/banned.
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:46 am

    sepheronx wrote:I guess he missed the known popularity of Putin.  And now will have even more trouble trying to topple Putin because all these NGO's are being black listed/banned.

    5th columinists tend to have "predictions" which are similar to William Miller's.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:55 am

    higurashihougi wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:I guess he missed the known popularity of Putin.  And now will have even more trouble trying to topple Putin because all these NGO's are being black listed/banned.

    5th columinists tend to have "predictions" which are similar to William Miller's.

    They kept saying the same stuff for years. They just adjust their predictions to the next couple of years to state "It will take this time till the economy goes bad" and "People will be upset with Putin by this time because of X or Y reason". The reason why they keep doing this is because when you look at things in the current situations, you will see that not only is Russian economy doing much better than it did in 2008 (when people like him had a lot of influence still in the economy, like Kudrin) when it had no sanctions or anything, just low oil. Now? Much lower decrease in economic activity with growth in many other sectors, and Russia has sanctions up the ying yang and low oil prices on top of that.

    So people like this guy that just keeps on talking, is that he hopes to still gain some popularity, and not be forgotten on the political stage regardless what he says. As well, he blatantly ignores Putin's popularity because he knows the guy is popular and he himself is not. Hence why they use the later years to try to make their claims, as 1) if it doesn't come true, people will conveniently forget about it so he can come up with a new prediction or (2) he can say "I told ya so, so many years ago" when it has more to do with other stuff than what this moron claims the ousting would be.

    The guy is a crook and comes from an era where him and his buddies pillaged Russia's resources and industries to make a quick buck. And people like him got hurt afterwards. Too bad I say. He is lucky that he isn't in jail where he should be.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:05 am

    So apparently Navalny on his so called anti corruption group is filing a lawsuit against the prosecutor general of Russia Chaika because they claimed that the movie they released talks about how his sons own shares in Russian railways and a Greek hotel.

    This is what the Kremlin spokesperson had to say:
    http://tass.ru/en/politics/841987

    Essentially, it boils down to that the sons are adults and they obtained it their own way and they have rights to do so.  All of the politicians documents on ownership of land, their incomes and what their family owns are all submitted to be investigated by a secondary anti corruption agency.  The Kremlin was fully aware of the details and states that this is between the Sons and Navalny's usual BS.  As well, apparently Browler is also involved and he is in trouble since a long time over tax evasion in Russia.

    So it seems the fifth column is at it again, this time trying to smear the image of the prosecution general and his family.  The issue at hand is though, is if he had a dealing as to his sons obtaining such stuff, and or if it is even true at all.

    And his BFF group Yabloko tried to hold unsanctioned protests in Moscow again:
    https://www.rt.com/politics/325753-moscow-protesters-constitution-day/

    Failure too. A couple dozen people is all they could muster.
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:21 am

    And response from the man himself:

    http://tass.ru/en/politics/843760

    Russian Prosecutor General Yury Chaika said he is convinced the movie by the Anti-Corruption Foundation (ACF) about his family had been ordered by British national William Browder and special services behind him.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:03 pm

    Just because Navalny's a foreign agent, doesn't mean that Chaika isn't a corrupt PoS.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:15 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Just because Navalny's a foreign agent, doesn't mean that Chaika isn't a corrupt PoS.

    Is anywhere situation where majority governing persons works without "fringe benefits" ? Utopia? If Chaika´s benefits for Russia is bigger then corruption then defend Chaika and treas Navalny scum as traitor he is.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:07 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Just because Navalny's a foreign agent, doesn't mean that Chaika isn't a corrupt PoS.

    Is anywhere situation where majority governing persons works without "fringe benefits" ? Utopia?  If Chaika´s benefits for Russia is bigger then corruption then defend Chaika and treas Navalny scum as traitor he is.

    How exactly does Chaika benefits Russia in this situation?
    A corrupt Prosecutor General undermines the whole anti-corruption struggle.
    Such a person is worse than the Navalny foundation.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:25 pm

    It all depends if the allegations are true. If his sons do own such property/stocks, then it doesn't mean anything other than his sons being business men. The father being the prosecutor general is something else entirely as the sons have the rights as citizens to do such business. If he used his position to obtain such things for his sons, then that is a different case. The question at hand is if that part of it is true or not. From what is told, there isn't actually any evidence but claims.

    If guilty, then yes, the man should go to jail and his sons stripped of these assets. But if not, then what? Because he sons are wealthy wont mean much. Look at Joe Biden's son compared to Joe Biden. And at least that is out in the open as to how his son obtained his wealth. This case is something else entirely.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:18 pm

    http://tass.ru/en/politics/843858

    Accirding to Ria yesterday, the anti corruption agency in Russia will be looking over this as requested by Medvedev.  Outside of that, the Duma washed its hands over this with stating that they are well aware of what is happening and this is between Chaika, anti corruption agency and Navalny.  The court where Navalny's gang tried to file lawsuite will not accept this ad it does not fall under their jurisdiction and needs to be elsewhere/higher. Possibly hence why Medvedev stated the anti corruption agency will look into this.

    If his sons are in shady business, that is their own fault.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:26 pm

    There is only 1 real problem here: navalny was charged for corruption and other illicite activity and was placed under house arrest (why not jail?).  He has broken his house arrest rules multiple of times and still freely moves around.  There is a real lach of enforcement of law in Russia.

    As well, anything out of Navalny and his crew are to be taken with a grain of salt, especially all the crap that came to light in sept elections with him meeting US ambassador and such in a bar.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:12 pm

    sepheronx wrote:It all depends if the allegations are true.  If his sons do own such property/stocks, then it doesn't mean anything other than his sons being business men.  The father being the prosecutor general is something else entirely as the sons have the rights as citizens to do such business.  If he used his position to obtain such things for his sons, then that is a different case.  The question at hand is if that part of it is true or not.  From what is told, there isn't actually any evidence but claims.

    If guilty, then yes, the man should go to jail and his sons stripped of these assets.  But if not, then what?  Because he sons are wealthy wont mean much.  Look at Joe Biden's son compared to Joe Biden.  And at least that is out in the open as to how his son obtained his wealth.  This case is something else entirely.

    At best, it does still smell of nepotism.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:15 pm

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:It all depends if the allegations are true.  If his sons do own such property/stocks, then it doesn't mean anything other than his sons being business men.  The father being the prosecutor general is something else entirely as the sons have the rights as citizens to do such business.  If he used his position to obtain such things for his sons, then that is a different case.  The question at hand is if that part of it is true or not.  From what is told, there isn't actually any evidence but claims.

    If guilty, then yes, the man should go to jail and his sons stripped of these assets.  But if not, then what?  Because he sons are wealthy wont mean much.  Look at Joe Biden's son compared to Joe Biden.  And at least that is out in the open as to how his son obtained his wealth.  This case is something else entirely.

    At best, it does still smell of nepotism.
    In a first world nation, it is innocent till proven guilty.  These are allegations and the anti corruption agency on per request is looking into this.  If something found, then we will see. For all we know, it can all be total bullshit too.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:23 pm

    sepheronx wrote: In a first world nation, it is innocent till proven guilty.  These are allegations and the anti corruption agency on per request is looking into this.  If something found, then we will see. For all we know, it can all be total bullshit too.

    that´s the way " Western smearing with sh#t" works trow thousands of lies

    "Wenn man eine große Lüge erzählt und sie oft genug wiederholt, dann werden die Leute sie am Ende glauben."

    When one lies and repeat lies enough often thn people will believe in the end.

    Neither Binden, dept of state nor NYT said this but their roel model dr Goebbels. This is exactly how Navalny scum works.

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