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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:17 am

    Backman wrote:Now over all the su 57 thread , someone questioned the smoke on a newly posted pic. It's like every freaking picture of the su 57 we have to answer for. Yet the F-22 can be posted like the above , and they have to answer for nothing.

    And no word for the potential hundreds (perhaps even thousands including all versions of the F-35) cases of hypoxia in F-22A/35B's in the last 6 years alone.

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    Post  Backman on Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:37 am


    The western defense media has outdone itself. I assumed that some articles would come out about the first su 57 being officially delivered to the Russian air force. But their cowardice and butthurt can never be under estimated. They know this happened. But they chose just not to not report it at all.

    A new J-20 puff piece came out in the meantime though. And here is what it says

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38655/ten-years-ago-today-chinas-j-20-stealth-fighter-first-flew-a-two-seater-could-be-next

    While the J-20 prototypes and early production batches were powered by Russian-supplied AL-31 turbofans, more recent J-20A aircraft use the indigenous WS-10.

    Really ? Has there been any official statement to this effect ?

    Today, Western sources estimate the number of J-20s built by the end of 2019 as around 50,

    Western sources estimate ? Unlike Russia, there is no official numbers on this from China. None. Zilch. Nada.

    Unconfirmed Chinese reports suggest that a production capacity of 48 aircraft annually, but there is no evidence that that figure has been attained

    Its 2021 now. So they are sorta kinda implying that there could be 80 to 100 of them now. All with the WS-10 engine. Rolling Eyes

    Equally importantly, the J-20 has been incrementally improved while production continued. In a paper released last October, the Royal United Services Institute, or RUSI, think tank claimed that “subsequent developments are likely to increase its LO [low-observable] characteristics and sensor capabilities.”

    Looks like the think tank racket is also in the business of hyping up the J-20. Even to the point where they are over estimating the whisper numbers that come out of China.

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    s for a two-seat version of the J-20, this would further set the aircraft apart from its closest counterparts, the American F-22 and F-35, and from the Russian Su-57 Felon, the latter of which is not yet in frontline service.

    "Frontline" service now. So they know that the first su 57 has been officially and verifiably delivered to the Russian airforce. But its not doing sorties in Syria so I guess they will pretend that its not in service until then. Pathetic.

    The achievements so far in China’s first stealth fighter program are impressive by any measure, but especially when one recalls that, when it first appeared, there was much Western skepticism that the J-20 was a credible design

    Yeah. Especially when you believe everything the Chinese say, which isn't much. And also go out of your way to over estimate give topspin to the little that is actually known about the jet. Its all just hype to bury the su 57. Because there is something about the su 57 that they really gets them flustered.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:47 am

    Backman wrote:Now over all the su 57 thread , someone questioned the smoke on a newly posted pic. It's like every freaking picture of the su 57 we have to answer for. Yet the F-22 can be posted like the above , and they have to answer for nothing.

    Yeah, smoke does not come out of the F-22 engines because they work on different physics. Exceptional yanqui physics.

    https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/59227/why-western-fighters-afterburner-glow-is-reddish-orange-while-eastern-bloc-figh

    Someone noticing a difference and not getting any serious answers. Russian jet engines are more efficient and operate at higher
    temperatures. The blue flame is not some chemical bond feature as if Russian kerosene is not the same as western kerosene. It
    is directly related to the exhaust temperature. We are seeing full combustion colours in the blue hues. And all sorts of claims that
    the colour difference is due to geometry or injection is patent BS. Combustion is combustion.

    https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/1585-why-does-a-gas-flame-burn-blue-lpg-gas-natural-propane-methane

    Recall that the USA did not know about oxygen rich staged combustion in rocket engines until 1991 because it failed to develop the alloys
    needed to survive such a regime. The USSR did the impossible as far as the real ability of the USA was concerned. You can bet your
    last penny that Soviet and now Russian applied materials science is being leveraged to optimize combustion in military jet engines. The
    exhaust colour reflects this technological capacity. There is no BS smoke "issue".



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    Post  LMFS on Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:49 pm

    US trying to bullshit everyone with their new "F1-style" engineering by which they can design a new wonderfighter in one year Laughing Laughing Laughing

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a35193710/air-force-secret-new-fighter-jet-digital-engineering/

    I have not read it and would not encourage anyone to do it unless for laughs...

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    Post  Hole on Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:13 pm

    And it will just take 20 years to eliminate all the failures. Laughing

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