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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:39 pm

    Since America loves its aboriginals so much will it restore all the treaties it tore up during the 1960s?
    That is a litmus test and some phony fort is pathetic effort at revisionism.

    I know something about Canadian and US history and there were never any aboriginal forts. This is the
    first time I hear of something like this and 1804 is way too early for the aboriginals to have even tried
    to building these European constructs. This is likely a Russian fort that could have been taken over
    by hostile local aboriginals. But then the French and English both had plenty of hostile encounters
    with aboriginals.

    Unlike Russia, they managed to sick aboriginals against each other. For example, the French-British
    rivalry lead to the genocide of the Hurons by the Iroquois. Russia never sent in military detachments
    to suppress aboriginals unlike the USA that "won" most of its territory by ethnically cleansing and slaughtering
    aboriginals. There was always some pretext to send punitive army units to "teach them injuns a lesson".

    Before listening to any US fake stream media drivel, people should get the viewpoint of the surviving
    aboriginals in North America. But be careful to not to listen to the compradors whose livelihoods
    depend on toeing the party line.

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    Post  Backman Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:48 pm

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/iran-china-caught-red-handed-illicit-oil-transfer-indonesia

    American dirtbags and their "laws".   Your f*cking sanctions are not international law you twats.   There is nothing
    illicit about China and Iran engaging in any trade.   Even if it is related to nuclear weapons technology.  


    The sanctions themselves that are illegal as far as the UN goes.
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    Post  Backman Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:06 pm

    I lifted a couple sentences out of a news clip posted in the India/Russia thread. I think its translated Russian. See the bolded.

    So there are actual media campaigns against Russian fighters in the press ? It sure looks like it. At least one is confirmed in India. This must be where all of that utter hogwash about the alleged deficiencies of the Pak Fa came from when the FGFA was cancelled. A media disinfo campaign. Nothing more.

    For urgent replenishment of the ranks of their own Air Force, which had noticeably thinned after the write-off of very old MiGs and Mirages, they chose Russian technology. This happened after having pretty much tormented with Rafals and having organized, at the suggestion of the Americans, a whole campaign against Russian fighters in the press, at some point the Indians suddenly realized that an old friend is always better than new ones, especially when a freshly baked "strategic partner" immediately starts "friendship" with blackmail and hysterics.

    Russia is asleep at the switch. The su 57 is an international product. Russia should be filing libel lawsuits and fighting back.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:49 pm

    When it comes to this, it's up to the companies. The companies lack a pr group and won't bother with lawsuits.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:41 am

    But will Indian courts even properly handle any Russian business related lawsuit?   America is great because all the rotten lickspittles
    around the world grovel before it.   Russia is too weak to play by any rules, it will be ignored or humiliated.   For example, the police
    officer fingered by Browder as corrupt and "setting up Magnitsky and Browder" tried to sue Browder for libel and slander in a UK
    court.   The judge simply dismissed the case.   At the same time we have kangaroo "retrials" of the Yukos case by some Dutch
    arbitration tribunal when it has no such authority and jurisdiction.   Using MSM fakes as evidence we get these clown-ass judges
    awarding $50 billion US to the foreign shareholders of Yukos.   I'd like to see this Dutch kangaroo court ever hear any case for and
    award victims of US capricious business and legislative action.    

    So it is too easy to say that Russia is doing too little to save its image.   It never gets a chance.   If faces the rotten NATzO alliance
    pack with its utter hypocrisy and a collection of weak states that can be cowed into submission with threats of sanctions and bribes
    by NATzO.   That is why Russia's allies are its army, air force and navy.

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    Post  Backman Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:13 am

    I am not sure about India. But a Russian company can file a civil lawsuit against say Business Insider in the US, for libel and defamation. If such material exists and it does.

    I don't know much about legal but I've just heard of this happening in other sectors. It's a bit far fetched I guess. But it's just true that Sukhois product has been harmed.
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    Post  kvs Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:53 am

    Just as in the UK, a US judge can dismiss any case that has the potential to make the US and its pals look bad. There
    are no absolutes in this business. When people talk about rights, they have no idea what they are going on about.
    At the end of the day your rights can be removed on the whim of people making all the decisions. And such people
    actually exist and have real power.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:08 pm

    It is OK, most serious customers do more than just look through yellow rags to learn about potential new products, and have contacts to directly ask about any myths or pretend problems that might be doing the rounds.

    The penalty for the stupid countries who fall for such bullshit is that they get to spent 10 times more on stuff that is not as good, but not just 10 times more on vehicles, but also 10 times more on weapons and support... just don't think all that money buys you support because it does not... they will drop you like a hot potato if they don't think it is in their interests to get burned hands... which is most of the time.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:30 am

    Bell-End Cat exposed:
    Bellingcat was somewhat discredited, both by spreading disinformation itself, and by being willing to produce reports for anyone willing to pay." -Leaked UK Foreign Office document.

    https://www.pdf-archive.com/2019/03/22/untitled-pdf-document-1/?

    https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1355233041514459136

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:33 am

    LMFS wrote:A candid admission by Michael Kofman of Russia Military Analysis, credit to him for speaking the truth  thumbsup

    Western propaganda - Page 21 Es0rxwPXAAIKoij?format=png&name=large

    https://twitter.com/KofmanMichael/status/1354787377143808005/photo/1
    For those of us who have started studying military technology without an engineering background.

    (Limited to the air domain for practical reasons)
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    https://twitter.com/Mauro_Gilli/status/1355105798016397315
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:39 pm

    Anything to do with policy attracts all sorts of hacks. For example areas of physics such as mercury in the environment (transport,
    chemistry, microphysics, surface physics) attracts half-assed morons who dilute the quality of the research. Other areas that
    are not as directly linked to policy have higher merit levels.

    But of course, there is another limit and that is cosmology, astrophysics and GR which are mostly speculative hot air posing as
    revealed truth. So scientists are not all squeaky clean even if they engage in ivory tower research.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:40 pm

    At least the idea is dawning on some of the defence policy guys, that they don't know shit and that they better keep quiet a bit. That is already a step in the right direction and the kind of mentality that is needed in the West...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:29 pm

    "Quickly and Suddenly": The USA has developed a scenario of a NATO preemptive strike on the Kaliningrad region
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    The US Naval Analytical Center (Center for Naval Analyzes) has developed a scenario of a "preemptive strike" on the Kaliningrad region, involving the elimination of four main components of the enclave's defense. Writes about this Over Defense.


    According to this scenario, the main task of destroying military targets and seizing territory rests with NATO forces, represented mainly by the Polish army, which must act "quickly and suddenly".

    For the operation to succeed, NATO units will need to destroy the four defenses of the Russian enclave. First of all, the Iskander-M launchers should be destroyed in order to prevent Russia from launching a "tactical nuclear war." To destroy them, it is proposed to use the experience of the destruction of the Iraqi Scuds.

    The second target is the ships and infrastructure of the Baltic fleet, which must be struck with anti-ship missiles and long-range howitzers. This is a "long-term" task, so you first need to lock the fleet at the bases and then take action to destroy it.

    The third target is the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems, capable of controlling the airspace over half of Poland's territory. For the destruction of anti-aircraft systems, it is proposed to strike with MLRS.

    The elimination of the Russian zone of restriction and denial of access and maneuver opens the skies for air strikes against forces trapped in the Kaliningrad boiler, eliminating heavy equipment and causing irreparable damage to the defensive capabilities of mobile motorized units.

    - experts plan.

    And the fourth task is to destroy the remaining forces in the region "to ensure security in the Baltic states and the Suwalki corridor."

    At the same time, it is emphasized that the best Polish military units numbering 30 thousand soldiers must participate in the rapid offensive. However, they may face difficulties in overcoming the terrain and come under fire from Russian artillery.

    Any action that weakened the Russian military in the early days of any conflict could be critical to the future of the war in Central Europe.

    - experts say, while noting that full-scale military operations in the Kaliningrad region are "unlikely" today.

    https://en.topwar.ru/179534-bystro-i-vnezapno-v-ssha-razrabotali-scenarij-preventivnogo-udara-nato-po-kaliningradskoj-oblasti.html

    The Polish military as the main backbone for this preemptive strike operation lmao?!?! lol1 Rolling Eyes Embarassed clown pwnd

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:47 pm

    Funny how NATzO denies the 64% ethnic Russian majority in Crimea a voice and pretends Khruschev's 1954 illegal transfer
    to Ukraine of this part of Russia is legit, bitches about the 2014 "annexation" while officially recognizing the 1991 annexation
    by Ukraine, while at the same time openly saber rattling about taking over Kaliningrad.    On what basis does NATzO claim
    a right to this land?   For sure it does not belong to Pooland and never did not even for brief periods of occupation.   And
    Germany even though it is part of NATzO has not officially claimed that it wants it back.   In which case it would have
    to change borders with France and Pooland as well.  

    I guess this is how the deciders in NATzO think they will win Russian hearts and minds.   If they think that NATzO has a
    military chance, they need brain transplants ASAP.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:14 pm

    "Quickly and Suddenly": The USA has developed a scenario of a NATO preemptive strike on the Kaliningrad region

    WTF... are these chimps actually talking about attacking Russian territory and Scud-hunting tactics from DS + Polish puddles being the solution for the nuclear rain they would get in response... I run out of words to describe this level of retardation clown clown clown clown
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:39 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    "Quickly and Suddenly": The USA has developed a scenario of a NATO preemptive strike on the Kaliningrad region

    WTF... are these chimps actually talking about attacking Russian territory and Scud-hunting tactics from DS + Polish puddles being the solution for the nuclear rain they would get in response... I run out of words to describe this level of retardation clown clown clown clown

    Their nothing more than meat-shields to bare the main brunt of assault Rolling Eyes, but ssshhhhhh....don't tell the Polecats. Wink

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:28 pm

    For the operation to succeed, NATO units will need to destroy the four defenses of the Russian enclave. First of all, the Iskander-M launchers should be destroyed in order to prevent Russia from launching a "tactical nuclear war." To destroy them, it is proposed to use the experience of the destruction of the Iraqi Scuds.

    Classy, but the Iraqi Scuds were not protected by a modern integrated air defence system... plus analysis suggests they didn't destroy a single scud launcher before it launched its missile, despite dozens of scud launches a day being recorded for months at a time...

    They have to justify all the money being spent on them.

    Of course the Russians can look at this plan and say.... OK... we need one Coalition vehicle that could be located anywhere in Kaliningrad and can be used to fire nuclear shells at HATO MLRS units in Poland.

    Anything that opens fire on any target can be quickly destroyed using tactical nuclear weapons, but as soon as the attack starts the S-400s and other air defence systems can start destroying all HATO aircraft in the air.... civil aircraft would be fair game too, but not their first priority.

    Interesting that the normally aircraft centric HATO who lead any invasion or attack in the last 100 years with air power have decided that that is not the best way to approach Russian defences in Kaliningrad.

    An obvious admission of defeat isn't it?

    Surely their F-35s and super Rafales would lead the charge destroying everything, to be followed by troops marching in to occupy the now empty enemy positions... mission accomplished....
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    Post  Backman Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:59 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    "Quickly and Suddenly": The USA has developed a scenario of a NATO preemptive strike on the Kaliningrad region

    WTF... are these chimps actually talking about attacking Russian territory and Scud-hunting tactics from DS + Polish puddles being the solution for the nuclear rain they would get in response... I run out of words to describe this level of retardation clown clown clown clown

    But they always say that Nato will never attack Russia "Do you think Nato will ever attack Russia common..."

    Then they write up plans for preemptive strikes on Kaliningrad No

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    Post  elconquistador Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:53 pm

    Kaliningrad was offered to the Germans in 1990. They declined and the issue was not brought up after that

    https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-70569479.html

    I am sure similar secret negotiations were held when sell out Yeltsin was in power. I found this article from the WaPo (1994) harping on the return of Kaliningrad to Germany. They even mentioned the plan to resettle the German-Russian migrants in this area

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1994/12/10/restore-koenigsberg-to-germany/23feba38-41b1-49d8-a26f-0b93ce0404b4/


    Also, who are these 'experts' that advocate attacking the world second military and reason as if a striking a certain region wouldn't result in the Russian military striking NATO targets around the globe?

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    Post  kvs Sun Jan 31, 2021 1:09 am

    So Yeltsin the comprador maggot not only let Ukraine annex Crimea, and in particular Sevastopol which Khruschev never
    transferred to Ukraine in 1954 and remained part of the Russian SSR, but was trying to give away Kaliningrad as well.

    The black slaves who went to the New World and Europe were sold down the river by other blacks. Yeltsin was
    this sort of scum.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:13 am

    LMFS wrote:At least the idea is dawning on some of the defence policy guys, that they don't know shit and that they better keep quiet a bit. That is already a step in the right direction and the kind of mentality that is needed in the West...

    But the lack of basic military understanding permeates high in to the political sphere. There seems to be major disconnect between politicians and generals:

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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:33 pm

    Only politicians talk about barrel bombs.

    A bomb is an explosive device design to kill and injure... whether it is a barrel filled with HE and nuts and bolts and other metallic debris or it is a custom designed precision weapon made in the most sophisticated and expensive factory in the US of A... they both kill and maim.

    The fact that a so called barrel bomb is cheaper and most of the time just as effective makes me wonder why they talk about them like they are some sort of war crime.

    Anti personnel land mines are much more insidious but the US is the primary country holding back the banning of such weapons... irony much?

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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:47 pm

    It's kinda funny article. It acts as though the Kaliningrad region conflict would be secluded from any other direction of attack.

    In other words, Russia's main land would be striking Poland and others from within central Russia at attacking targets. So not only would Poolands soldiers be getting hit from the west, they would also be hit hard from the east (leadership and tactical facilities hit first), then the Russians would be moving units west while Kaliningrad would bunker down.

    It wouldn't be a week operation if they attacked Kaliningrad. It would be a month and within that month, Russian leadership would have already started their advances towards making a land corridor for Kaliningrad.

    I don't know if they thought that one to be honest. And I wouldn't be surprised either. I'm not military but I'm not an idiot either.

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    Post  kvs Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:34 pm

    It is a provocation designed to trigger Russia to make some move that they will screech about.
    I think Russia has done enough to secure Kaliningrad. There is no point of localizing military assets
    there and turning into some sort of fort. Only idiot western deciders think that would be a
    policy that Russia would pursue since they are all anti-Russian racist turds who project mental
    inferiority onto Russians.

    Russia will be able to counter any move by NATzO on Kaliningrad brutally fast and effectively.
    NATzO would have to start WWIII to have a chance of seizing this exclave. But Russia is
    not going to give these lunatics any pretexts.

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    Post  franco Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:29 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:It's kinda funny article.  It acts as though the Kaliningrad region conflict would be secluded from any other direction of attack.

    In other words, Russia's main land would be striking Poland and others from within central Russia at attacking targets. So not only would Poolands soldiers be getting hit from the west, they would also be hit hard from the east (leadership and tactical facilities hit first), then the Russians would be moving units west while Kaliningrad would bunker down.

    It wouldn't be a week operation if they attacked Kaliningrad.  It would be a month and within that month, Russian leadership would have already started their advances towards making a land corridor for Kaliningrad.

    I don't know if they thought that one to be honest. And I wouldn't be surprised either. I'm not military but I'm not an idiot either.

    Stupid is, stupid does... waste of money on some think tank flunkies. Trouble is too many take it seriously.

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