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    Post  nomadski on Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:58 pm

    Looks like Boris the Brexitier and Co,  after diving into their new world of... I hate those Continentals, they are stealing our fish and taking our jobs on the farm, that we will never do ourselves, when Romanian surfs will do it for us . And then abandoning Northern Ireland  into a happy marriage with Brussels. And Scotland soon to join. Dreamt of a world where, the English reformed the Empire and the common wealth into a new union, where the Indians and Chinese would offer them new exotic dishes. In return for political posts, in the UK government, as token blacks, for the new subjects of the Empire to see and envy.

    But alas, the road to this exotic restaurant was closed by the Yanks, who wanted to feed them chlorinated Chicken and MacDonalds topped with limp and warm  Gurkins. Now salivating and sad, coronivirused and desperate. With empty coffers. They have no choice but to go west. Into the world, of the ever shrinking man. Singing the Yanks drinking song. Of they interfered ( in something) or they took our something . And we hate Huawei. Their new chart topper .

    BTW, as soon as any vaccine is found, it will be duplicated by everyone.


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    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:55 am

    It turns out that the charges against Safronov are based on years of evidence collected that he was working for Czech intelligence
    services (and hence NATzO). So the Egypt thing was part of his task to undermine Russia. It's going to be hard for any serious
    analysis to tie the whole case to the sale of jets to Egypt. The tome of evidence dating back to years before this leaking of state
    secrets under the guise of "journalism" is hard to deny.

    I am not surprised that the Czechs are running intelligence operations in Russia. They are pathetic NATzO bootlicks who want to
    prove their worth to their masters. They also have an inferiority complex associated with their Salvic heritage. Being assimilated
    by the anti-Slav Catholic realm means endlessly hating oneself and trying to prove one's worth.

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    Post  Hole on Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:56 am

    For decades now the western media tells their audience that all russian politicians/businessmen and so on are criminals and/or corrupt. Which is BS for maybe 90% of them (except "minor" crimes like tax avoidance scemes which is also some sort of sport in the west). As soon as one is detained because there is real evidence, somethin magical happens: he (or she) turns innocent in the eyes of the western media.

    For years now I ask myself how far the western MSM would go in this propaganda. Would they defend a paedophile because he claims he hates Putin?
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    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:49 pm

    Hole wrote:For decades now the western media tells their audience that all russian politicians/businessmen and so on are criminals and/or corrupt. Which is BS for maybe 90% of them (except "minor" crimes like tax avoidance scemes which is also some sort of sport in the west). As soon as one is detained because there is real evidence, somethin magical happens: he (or she) turns innocent in the eyes of the western media.

    For years now I ask myself how far the western MSM would go in this propaganda. Would they defend a paedophile because he claims he hates Putin?

    Yes they would.   In fact, pedophelia is being promoted as a viable belief system by the NATzO MSM and self-anointed SJWs.   This is no joke.   The
    BBC used a pedo-queer advocate, Peter Thatchel, as the authority on gay rights in Russia during the time of the Sochi Olympics
    since that is when the anti-queer propagandizing of minors (recruitment) was made illegal in Russia.
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:33 pm

    At least that guy is a critic of illegal western wars.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:22 am



    DW the German yanqui bootlick propaganda orifice is forecasting that global warming will expand Russia's wheat growing real estate
    and this will enable "the Kremlin" to leverage wheat as a weapon.  

    This is the rabid, degenerate hate spew that the western MSM is routinely aiming at Russia and its own consumer sheeple.  
    Anyone can produce such childish BS.   If you have a clue and pay attention, the yanquis and their minions leverage their
    crop output for political gain.   So the fear mongering accusations about Russia are total bloody hypocrisy.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:12 pm

    VVP living rent-free in Benighted Dingdumb/Great Shitstain's head! Cool Razz  
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    They chop their own dick and balls with a cleaver.....and blame someone else for it lol! Rolling Eyes

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    Post  kvs on Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:39 pm

    It really is just a pathetic attempt to douse the flames that are burning down the house.    Herding the sheeple together with
    the "great enemy".   This is similar to the 1930s Nazi Germany (Godwin can go fuck himself, his brain fart means that Germany
    can never be compared to any other country undergoing similar processes, which is pure BS).  

    But any new drang nach osten from the west is going to result in the west being glassed this time around.   These mass murdering
    cunts will not be able to hide behind some ocean moat and reap profits like the USA did during WWII.   There will be no GDP increase
    from a war on Russia, there will be oblivion.
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    Post  Cyberspec on Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:55 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:VVP living rent-free in Benighted Dingdumb/Great Shitstain's head! Cool Razz  

    They chop their own dick and balls with a cleaver.....and blame someone else for it lol! Rolling Eyes

    Part of this anti Russia campaign is because they have suffered "losses" in the information war...a sizeable proportion of their own population doesn't believe their own MSM, so they have to constantly larp on about Russian disinformation, malign influence and so on

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:11 am

    The hilarious thing is that if you replace their country with the word Russia and their leadership with Putins name then it is actually probably accurate what they want to do and what they try to do... and for many westerners it therefore makes these stories highly likely because it is something we would do and it is what we think...
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    Post  LMFS on Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:37 pm

    GarryB wrote:The hilarious thing is that if you replace their country with the word Russia and their leadership with Putins name then it is actually probably accurate what they want to do and what they try to do... and for many westerners it therefore makes these stories highly likely because it is something we would do and it is what we think...

    It is a good old rule of propaganda, to accuse the others of what you are doing pirat

    Have been following the evolution of Western propaganda for a number of years and I think we have already reached full war-time propaganda mode, which just makes it very clear what comes next. Distressing as the situation may be, I feel it even more concerning the fact that most Westerners remain completely oblivious to it, as if it was not their lives that are being carelessly put on the line...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:45 am

    The Japanese regime has been in full bore aggression mode recently. Various ministers have been threatening to shoot down Russian
    aircraft trying to land on the "occupied" "norther territories". This has prompted Russian defense ministry officials to threaten to
    attack both Japanese and American military assets in Japan in retaliation and to demand an apology for the bellicose rhetoric from
    the Japanese.

    The Japanese are acting like the clowns in Yugoslavia, who thought they were invincible with US backing. The Baltic chihuahua statelets
    are the same thing. Acting all tough and threatening to Russia since they think that "invincible" Uncle Scumbag has their back.
    The only think in their back is yanqui schlong.

    Japan is one of the most absurd countries on the planet. They really believe their revisionist WWII "we were victims" fairy tale
    and think that they have some sort of legal rights to lost territories. This is on top of Japan being a US protectorate that acts
    like a yanqui sock puppet.


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    Post  andalusia on Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:49 pm

    I was watching a documentary about George Bush on PBS last night and Dick Cheney said that when Gorbachev singed a document on German reunification that he agreed to NATO expansion. This was in response to Putin complaining about NATO expanding to Russia's border. Is that true?

    I get the impression he was just a gullible fool who was taken for a complete ride. Not to get a proper treaty preventing NATO expansion was inexcusable. It could have gone a long way to preventing the situation we face today. Georgia and the Ukraine would probably never have happened. Everything he touched went to rat s**t. All you can say in his favour is that the shambling drunk of a western puppet who succeeded him, Yeltsin, was even worse.

    ‘My word is your bondage’ should be Diplomacy 101 for all Russian would-be diplomats.

    I am sure Russia sees little difference in there being one day, one year or five years between Poland leaving the Soviet Bloc and joining NATO. The semantics of language do not hide geopolitical intent.

    The universal US-UK-NATO attitude is that the word of Westerners is NOT their bond and the sole aim of diplomacy is to screw the Russians.

    We see 30 years on that US bases sit everywhere in old Soviet Socialist Republics surrounding Russia. No American cares that their word is worth nothing, will not be seen as worth anything in the 21st century either.

    The ICC is worth nothing because Americans are extra-judicial nowadays. So are Israelis. Russia should use that as leverage…

    USAID is a classic NGO front to implement US meddling and mischief. Russia should spy on it unceasingly, exposing the dark underbelly of activities carried out under its cover.

    Nordstream II is a classic ‘Trade is only allowed according to US rules’ gambit. All US oil and gas interests should be vigorously opposed even when win-win deals can be struck. Israel should be required to back Nordstream II or face diplomatic sanctions….or worse.

    Why on earth should Russia trust anything the West says or does when history proves only that the West will neither conclude nor uphold treaties with integrity where geopolitical relations with Russia are concerned?

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
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    Post  LMFS on Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:09 pm

    For anyone who understands Western supremacism it is simply obvious that they will not respect any norm or any deal, since serving their own interests leads to a greater good for mankind (!!) That is the remarkable way their deranged brains work... Obama is on record saying as much BTW Embarassed

    Russians understand this well, as they understand that destroying Russia is a geopolitical imperative for the West, so I think we should not be concerned about their level of awareness or about them taking necessary precautions, as the progressive strengthening of their position relative to the West proves.

    As to Gorbachev, he was a looser and a scumbag and only cared about being accepted by the West. He sold Russia in ways foolishness alone cannot even come close to explain or justify...
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:36 pm

    As an example with Flaming Python - Russians hearts are in the right place, but their brains are not.

    Russians are aware of the west wanting to destroy them. But there are two major issues in Russia:
    1) There are far too many opportunists who want their own benefits on the behest of the nation - meaning they dont give a shit if their country is destroyed. So long as they can get their BMW or whatever.
    2) Too many so called patriots who want to bring into power the very people who destroyed them in the first place - wannabe communists.

    Patriotism is what is needed in Russia to prevent the nonsense propaganda of the west. Generally I see Russians are aware and much more smart on average. But there are still a ton of them that truly believe Putin is the devil. And that he is whats wrong with Russia. I laugh at them of course. These same people know fuck all about economics.

    The biggest change is the constitutional change in Russia. This move is what will cement Russia further and make it more of a fortress. But much has to be changed.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:23 pm

    The Daily-Yeast Infection claims Russia bombed the port in Beirut, Lebanon. Didn't realize mental hospital patients wrote for them! lol1

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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:45 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The Daily-Yeast Infection claims Russia bombed the port in Beirut, Lebanon. Didn't realize mental hospital patients wrote for them! lol1

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    From the colour of the plume you can tell it was not any high explosive bomb. So Russians need to use ammonium nitrate
    to bomb countries? Everyone in Lebanon knows that this stored ammonium nitrate that exploded. Attempts to
    pin this on Russia are an insult to the intelligence.

    But this POS article actually supports my view that the ammonium nitrate was detonated by some NATzO-Israeli operation
    to destabilize Lebanon. The usual accuse your "enemies" of your own crimes is at play here.

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    Post  Hole on Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:50 pm

    There was a german expert analysing the whole explosion for the media. You can see flashes of fireworks in the first explosion, then the ammonium nitrate exploded and afterwards oil caught fire and resulted in the black smoke.

    One remark to andalusia about the eastward expansion of NATO. Russia accepted the expansion of some NATO elements into eastern germany, nothing more.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:31 pm

    Hole wrote:There was a german expert analysing the whole explosion for the media. You can see flashes of fireworks in the first explosion, then the ammonium nitrate exploded and afterwards oil caught fire and resulted in the black smoke.

    One remark to andalusia about the eastward expansion of NATO. Russia accepted the expansion of some NATO elements into eastern germany, nothing more.

    Not to nit pick, but this expert is not an expert.   The colour was not black it was clearly red-brown.   That is the NO2 released in vast quantities
    from the detonation of NH4NO3.   It is not an option or a speculation, it is physics fact.   NO2 is what gives jet exhaust its brownish colour.  

    Also, oil would not produce a red-brown mushroom cloud since it does not detonate, but burns.   Any oil burning had no impact in this case.
    It was all due to NH4NO3 detonating.  

    As for the warehouse security, we won't know if the guard(s) were murdered since there is likely no body left to do an autopsy on.   And
    the NH4NO3 would not spontaneously detonate or even catch fire.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:19 am

    I was watching a documentary about George Bush on PBS last night and Dick Cheney said that when Gorbachev singed a document on German reunification that he agreed to NATO expansion. This was in response to Putin complaining about NATO expanding to Russia's border. Is that true?

    Gorbachev has said in interviews that it was his expectation that when Soviet forces were withdrawn from eastern europe that US and UK and French forces in Germany would be withdrawn and essentially europe would be demilitarised of foreign forces in countries... so each country would only have its own forces based there.

    He wouldn't think that if he had signed such a document now would he?

    At the end of the cold war the Bush administration was all about... Russia hasn't lost the cold war.... by getting rid of communism they actually won and it should not be about winners and losers... we just need to look at how we are all going to move forward.... and BTW HATO will not expand.

    I get the impression he was just a gullible fool who was taken for a complete ride.

    He believed the US government and what the officials of the time were saying... but of course the next election time comes and there is no way the Bush administraiton is not going to use the fact that America single handedly won the cold war and Russia lost to try to win another term in office.... politicians would never do that... NOT.

    Gorby was naive... but the western politicians were lying scumbags too.

    Not to get a proper treaty preventing NATO expansion was inexcusable. It could have gone a long way to preventing the situation we face today. Georgia and the Ukraine would probably never have happened. Everything he touched went to rat s**t. All you can say in his favour is that the shambling drunk of a western puppet who succeeded him, Yeltsin, was even worse.

    Gorby was always more popular overseas than at home... Yeltsen ended up the same... and for the same reasons... western propaganda is powerful.

    The universal US-UK-NATO attitude is that the word of Westerners is NOT their bond and the sole aim of diplomacy is to screw the Russians.

    Deny deny deny... I did not have sexual relations with that woman... even though he did.

    But there were no consequences... that is democracy for you.

    We see 30 years on that US bases sit everywhere in old Soviet Socialist Republics surrounding Russia. No American cares that their word is worth nothing, will not be seen as worth anything in the 21st century either.

    Well another way of looking at it was that Eastern Europe was a buffer zone for Russia so any future major war would not be fought out on her soil, but realistically a nuclear war is not going to involve enemy armour... the US could put its entire army in Poland reading to roll in to Russia... the solution for Russia is not to put every tank they have on their borders ready to meet them... it is to launch tactical nuclear weapons and vapourise them while they are in Poland.

    Russia doesn't need buffer states any more... they are too high maintenance these days anyway... Russian subsidies to Ukraine and Belarus are enormous.... it would make more sense to use Russian ports and trade with countries further away that want to work in a more balanced and honest way...

    The ICC is worth nothing because Americans are extra-judicial nowadays. So are Israelis. Russia should use that as leverage…

    Russia cannot expect fair rulings from european or international organisations.

    They should start by stopping funding such organisations, and seek to make alternatives to existing broken institutions...

    USAID is a classic NGO front to implement US meddling and mischief. Russia should spy on it unceasingly, exposing the dark underbelly of activities carried out under its cover.

    Russia doesn't need to fight the US, just remove its potential to do harm to Russia... so banning USAID and other corrupt politicised NGOs from Russia is already being done. Just a quick check of where an org gets its funding should be sufficient to decide on its own.


    Nordstream II is a classic ‘Trade is only allowed according to US rules’ gambit. All US oil and gas interests should be vigorously opposed even when win-win deals can be struck. Israel should be required to back Nordstream II or face diplomatic sanctions….or worse.

    US opposition to NSII is just further evidence if any was needed to show that the US does not like fair competition, and prefers to stack the deck in its own favour... they can't compete fairly with piped gas... too cheap and always available.

    Ironically I don't think Russia should be supplying Germany and the EU with cheap energy... well via south stream to allies like Serbia and not so hostile countries like Greece and Italy is good... but most of the rest can pay five times more for freedom gas...

    Personally I think they should complete North Stream II by making it go to Kaliningrad where it can be used as cheap energy for the locals, and processed into LNG there as well and then shipped to Germany and they can pay the higher price LNG costs for processing and shipping... if they want cheap gas build a factory in Kaliningrad or Russia and use piped gas.

    Why on earth should Russia trust anything the West says or does when history proves only that the West will neither conclude nor uphold treaties with integrity where geopolitical relations with Russia are concerned?

    Just as importantly anything they do sign they can do what they have been doing... claim Russia is breaking the deal with no proof or evidence and then withdrawing from the deals and then revealing their own systems that broke the deal they were working on but clearly wanted out of the deal so they could openly test... but everyone says it was Russia that was breaking the deal.

    The INF treaty is case in point.... AEGIS Ashore is a land based MK-41 vertical missile launch system designed to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles... which directly violates the INF treaty.... whether they load it with missiles or not.

    As an example with Flaming Python - Russians hearts are in the right place, but their brains are not.

    The thing is that there are just as many in the west who are the same... they believe that the west is not perfect but it is basically a force for good so even when they screw up and lots of people die that things are now better than they were... it is like... all the reasons to invade Iraq were wrong and made up and it was all about control of their oil production... but killing Saddam made it all worth it right?

    It seems they are told that Saddam and Gaddafi and Assad is like living in Guantanimo Bay and getting rid of them is better for the people... when the people who replace them are normally hand picked by the west and almost always much much worse... but because the western media does not give a shit... they cheer lead to start wars.... they don't care about the mess that is created by them.

    Ask any person from the west if their politicians lie if their media lie and many will say they do, but when their media and politicians claim Putin is to blame then they believe it without any evidence... because no one is giving them an alternative view.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:01 pm



    A case of pro-western propaganda in Russia.   Some idiot yanqui "student" of 28 years got into a fight with a couple
    of women when the cops showed up he got violent with them.   So he was arrested and then attacked the driver
    of the cop car (don't they have plexiglass separators?) and nearly caused a crash.   For his patently criminal behaviour
    he got a 9 year prison term.  

    Now the liberasts are baying that he is a poor oppressed student who is persecuted by totalitarian Russia.    The
    fact that he was a US marine is conveniently ignored.   At his age it implies that he washed out of the US Marines
    so likely has issues.

    The grotesque thing about this is that such behaviour would have resulted in US cops shooting him dead.  And nobody
    would be bitching about his "persecution".   But in Russia even violent crime is OK as long as the approved people do
    it.   This what liberasts are, they are the Russian version of woke SJW drones.

    Also, they love handing out long prison terms in the USA. So 9 years is perfectly OK. It is some sort of European
    fetish to give short terms even for murder (e.g. 15 years).

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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:31 pm

    they can bitch and moan all they want. In the end, it just shows how stupid they are and how much they are hated in Russia, and since they arent above the law, well, this dope is behind bars!

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    Post  Hole on Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:11 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Hole wrote:There was a german expert analysing the whole explosion for the media. You can see flashes of fireworks in the first explosion, then the ammonium nitrate exploded and afterwards oil caught fire and resulted in the black smoke.

    One remark to andalusia about the eastward expansion of NATO. Russia accepted the expansion of some NATO elements into eastern germany, nothing more.

    Not to nit pick, but this expert is not an expert.   The colour was not black it was clearly red-brown.   That is the NO2 released in vast quantities
    from the detonation of NH4NO3.   It is not an option or a speculation, it is physics fact.   NO2 is what gives jet exhaust its brownish colour.  

    Also, oil would not produce a red-brown mushroom cloud since it does not detonate, but burns.   Any oil burning had no impact in this case.
    It was all due to NH4NO3 detonating.  

    As for the warehouse security, we won't know if the guard(s) were murdered since there is likely no body left to do an autopsy on.   And
    the NH4NO3 would not spontaneously detonate or even catch fire.

    The guy was explaining exakty this, he just emphasized the black smoke after the huge explosion and explained that it came from the burning of organic material, likely oil, because some media dudes were claiming that this was proof of some bomb being used.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 07, 2020 5:52 am

    I suspect what is happening is that such incidents (ie westerners getting arrested and locked up in Russia and being given prison terms) is possibly a ploy to try and get some of the Russians in US prisons swapped.

    If this is the case then to be fair they need to arrest people on silly nothing charges and then give them stiff sentences... otherwise they will be trading innocent Russians kept as political play toys in the US prison system for real western criminals that should be behind bars anyway.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:39 pm

    https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/flirtingwithstalin

    Check out the above revisionist anti-Russian drivel. Clearly cultural Trotskyism has taken over the precious west.

    While 1917 saw a cultural flowering in Russia, the post-Soviet intelligentsia has failed to articulate a liberal vision and produced only shallow art.

    The only thing that flowered after 1917 was the civil war that claimed the lives of over 10 million people and the appearance
    of all sorts of degeneracy posing as art, architecture and philosophical "thought". Trotsky and his merry band of Russia haters
    invested fully breaking up Russia. That included giving away vast tracts of Russia including millions of Russians to faked up
    "republics" such as Ukraine. Nobody asked the Russians living on their ancestral land if they wanted to be Ukrainians or Estonians, etc.
    The 1954 gift of Crimea to Ukraine was part of this criminal social engineering.

    The whole postwar period in Russian history is viewed through the prism of the cold war “initiated by the United States of America.” The textbook does not deny Stalin’s repressions; it justifies them. The concentration of power in Stalin’s hands suited the country; indeed, conditions of the time “demanded” it. “The domestic politics of the Soviet Union after the war fulfilled the tasks of mobilisation which the government set. In the circumstances of the cold war… democratisation was not an option for Stalin.”

    Hilarious nonsense. The power was concentrated at the top by the Bolshies. Stalin functioned within the system they created.
    You just don't like the fact that your favourite Bolshies got displaced from the social engineering anti-Russian power. Thanks
    to Stalin, the USSR was able to defeat the Nazis. With Trotsky in charge and his spend every last gram of Soviet resources on
    world revolution BS, the USSR would not have been able to even defend Moscow. I guess Trotsky would have surrendered Soviet
    (Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian) land to the Nazis to appease them. But they would have taken the lot.

    Now we have seen this ambition realised in the recent war against Georgia. For the first time since the end of the Soviet Union, Russia has asserted itself militarily in the post-Soviet space and played out its imperial ambitions with tanks and grenade launchers. Russia’s invasion was intended to send an unequivocal message to other former Soviet republics: “we can and will stop Nato’s eastward advance.” In the first few days of the war, Russia bombed Gori, Stalin’s home town. The cluster bombs it dropped on the city killed between five and 30 people, but the statue of Stalin on the main Stalin Square remained standing. As Russian tanks rolled past the statue on Putin’s orders, one can even imagine the Soviet dictator winking and waving.

    1) The cluster bombs used in Georgia were identified as Israeli made so they were 100% used by Suck-ass-shvili's forces and not those of
    Russia.

    2) How about the 2000 civilians murdered by the pro-NATzO Georgian regime in the middle of the night by the sneak attack on Tskhinvali
    which was not a military target but part of the regime's attempt to grab South Ossetia.

    3) And supposedly NATzO is not engaged in imperialism. Welcome to 1984 newthink and newspeak. Not surprising for a Trotskyist bootlick.


    It is easy enough to condemn Russia’s manipulation of history for ideological ends, or Putin’s restoration of the Soviet anthem in 2000. But the truth is that a large majority of Russians—77 per cent according to one poll—welcomed the restoration of the anthem, and at least half the country view Stalin’s role in history as positive. This connects to another uncomfortable truth: the version of history portrayed in the new textbook is as much a defeat for Russian liberalism and liberal intellectuals—the journalists, historians and artists who were supposed to counter the Soviet ideology—as it is a triumph for Putin. There was more opposition from Russian liberals to the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, than there is now to the war in Georgia.

    1) You are a lying cunt who distorts modern day facts to serve the agenda of your screed. So what is exactly your legitimacy to pass
    judgement on Russians for their view of WWII.

    2) Clearly the Russian view of WWII sticks in the craw of Trotskyist maggots. Stalin really did help Russia survive. That is a cold, hard fact
    and no amount of your "cluster bombs in Gori" crap will change it.

    3) If Russian liberalism is all about sycophancy to NATzO and guilt tripping Russians who were, bar none, the greatest victims of WWII aside from
    the singular Holocaust, then they deserve to be sidelined and ignored. Their BS is designed to lubricate the imperialism of NATzO.

    4) The 1968 Czechoslovakia incident is small potatoes. Nothing like yanqui meddling in Panama, Grenada, and pretty much around the world.
    The US helped Sukharto butcher a million people in Indonesia. Those victims were civilians who wanted what the writer of this screed purports
    to believe in, leftist ideals.

    I skimmed the rest of this screed and some fixation on the Russian national anthem and Soviet jingles. Really? This is the "weighty"
    evidence against modern Russia?

    Here is another shitball from the same toilet:

    https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/how-can-nations-atone-for-their-sins-germany-russia-nazism-soviet-union

    Today the majority of Russians—including younger Russians who we might have expected to demand answers to the thorniest historical questions—assess Stalin in a positive light. As we witness toppled statues in Europe and the US, in Russia the state has sanctioned the erection of busts of Stalin in various cities including the country’s third largest, Novosibirsk.

    In 2019 the most respected pollster in Russia, the Levada Center, found that these efforts are working, with 70 per cent of Russians believing that Stalin’s rule had been good for the Soviet Union. In fact, the number who admired Stalin was greater than at any point since Levada started polling on the question in 2001. Lev Gudkov, the head of the Levada Centre, stated that “there’s been a quiet rehabilitation of Stalin on the part of the government.”

    What a crime! How despicable of this "ebil Roshians".

    This "article" is using the routine propaganda tricks of setting up a false inference. Since Germans of the 1950s did not accept their guilt,
    that is the same as Russians after 1990 not accepting their "guilt". WTF do Germans after 1945 have to do with Russians? Assume
    a false premise and proceed to "conclude" that Russians are in the wrong. The revisionist cunts who write this agit-prop pretend that
    Hitler was equal to Stalin and that the Nazis were equal to the Soviets? How?

    1) Did the USSR start WWII? Obviously not since the war started in 1939 and only in 1941 on the eastern front. That is not a gap one
    can fob off. But NATzO revisionists also invoke "partition of Poland" between the USSR and the Nazis as part of some sort of natural alliance.
    The much touted Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is used to support this revisionism. Unlike the USA, the USSR did not help the Nazis set up
    military production lines during the 1930s. The so called partition was the legal return of Soviet lands annexed by Poland in 1920 which
    had little to do with Poland since any Polish population on those lands was nowhere close to a majority. Those were Ukrainian and
    Belorussian lands. The much yapped about non-aggression pact was not unique to the USSR, Poland had signed the same earlier.
    And this pact resulted in the shipment of food grain to Germany in exchange for a period when the USSR increased its war potential
    by 40%. This was a brilliant move by Stalin. Naturally the revisionists pretend that Stalin was "surprised" by the German attack in
    1941. Really? After preparing to fight them, right?

    2) The authors want Russians to feel guilt for some sort of wrongdoing associated with WWII just like the Germans. Did the Soviets
    (Russians) set up death camps for Jews? I know about the Chechens, but that is a problem between Chechnya and Russia and not
    some sort of stick in NATzO's hand to beat Russia on the head with. The UK, USA, Belgium, etc., have committed vastly greater crimes
    against ethnic groups around the planet compared to the wartime treatment of Chechens. Chechens were not peacfully minding their
    own business but decided to ally themselves with the genocidal Nazis.

    3) The USSR had no platform of genocide in the name of racial purity. The Nazis did and planned to exterminate Russians and
    other Soviet untermenschen. So why should Russians feel guilt for WWII? Because they were the victims of attempted genocide.
    Actually, 18 million Soviet civilians died so there was a de facto genocide.

    Germany’s post-war economic achievements eventually allowed its citizens to face their collective guilt in a more confident, rather than a defensive spirit, with contemporary success encouraging hope that society could continue to recover and prosper into the future after drawing a line under past crimes.

    The rocky and, for a time, ruinous road of the Russian economy after the Soviet collapse stands in stark contrast. Yet there is something more fundamental in Russia’s failed replication of the German model in the post-Cold War world. The historian Carlo Ginzburg was on to something when he suggested that “the country one belongs to is not, as the usual rhetoric goes, the one you love but the one you are ashamed of.” We rarely experience our national belonging as powerfully as in those moments when we feel “ashamed for somebody different from us for something we are not involved in,” but for someone whom we nonetheless feel a sense of responsibility.

    Inane name-dropping drivel. Germany did not change economic systems and was subsidized by the Marshall Plan. By contrast
    1990-91 Russia transitioned to capitalism. That is like rebuilding a house at the brick level. It is a miracle that the country did not
    completely dissolve. Nobody was subsidizing Russia's transition. But instead, NATzO sent its Harvard Boyz of economic witchdoctors
    who prescribed shock-therapy voodoo. This resulted in the collapse of Russian industry (and jobs) and a flood of imports (lucrative
    for NATzO) that keep Russia's economy down until after 1998. Yeltsin's compardor regime, which is basically being extolled by the
    writers of this article, maintained an artificially high ruble forex rate (enabling the import flood) through the GKO ponzi. This racket
    collapsed in 1998. Thanks to this collapse the forex dropped almost four times and Russia's manufacturing capacity started to be
    used again. Yeltsin failed to physically destroy Russian factories and thus his whole scam fell apart. But Russians are to be credited
    for rescuing their economy. Like workers in Argentina in 2000, they secured their places of work and even kept working without pay
    particularly in the military sector.

    I won't bother to dissect the rest of this crap. It appeals to non-arguments and things that do not matter to push blood libel.



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