S-400, PAK-FA, Iskander
Last edited by George1 on Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:30 am; edited 2 times in total
Arrow wrote:Turkey receives the S-400. NATO will know Russian S-400 systems very well, which are the basis of their anti-aircraft defense. Russia is acting irrationally.
Arrow wrote:Slovakian S-300 is old system. S 400 is most modern.
hoom wrote:I still say its a terrible idea to provide S-400 to a Nato country.
Until & unless Turkey leaves Nato they can't be trusted to keep any secrets of that system.
Even then I wouldn't trust them until at least several years after they made a big purge of any Nato-friendly officers.
dino00 wrote:What secrets? The stage of Russian long range air defense systems in the late 90's? This is not the S-400 the Russian mod have, 48N6E3 is not the same as the 48N6MD, etc...
Some Russian official said they would even sell to the USA if they wanted.
I hate Erdogant but today was a historic victory for Russian diplomacy, technology and military.
That money will be well used by Almaz Antey.
Even if they gave right now the S-400 export secrets, how many years will the Americans need to have an Patriot-400E?
Russia in 2020 will have S-500.
Isos wrote:The goal is to make money with weapons they produce. Nato won't attack any russian S-400 for its entire lifetime. So they don't really care about the secrets of the export version.
On the other side Turkey is more likely to be attacked by nato. They have 0 reason to give details of a system that is supposed to protect Ankara and that was never supposed to be integrated into nato network.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:It is a terrible idea yes, Even if Ero doesn't plan to give away any details the guy who replaces him may.
Not to mention Ero cannot keep everyone from handing details out.
This has always been a weakness of Putin to try and use weapons to get good relations.
If relations come at the cost of your weaponry more then likely being studied in a way you wouldn't like or want by someone you don't like Say like the US.
Then better off without those relations, sure these are exports versions but even export versions will provide very good know-how into the system.
But hey the deal is done, imo Putin screwed the Pooch here.
The entire process of metallurgy and manufacturing these devices is a secret. You won't be able to gain much from having one as an example, asides from some operational knowledge of how they work (~ish. The code isn't open-source either, you know).SeigSoloyvov wrote:Putin may very well soon be selling Russian Stealth technology to a NATO ally. Which I hope his defense minister will tell him "No, that's a terrible idea we may has well just give Washington the data at that point".
nero wrote:The entire process of metallurgy and manufacturing these devices is a secret. You won't be able to gain much from having one as an example, asides from some operational knowledge of how they work (~ish. The code isn't open-source either, you know).SeigSoloyvov wrote:Putin may very well soon be selling Russian Stealth technology to a NATO ally. Which I hope his defense minister will tell him "No, that's a terrible idea we may has well just give Washington the data at that point".
I agree strongly, Turkey is still a NATO country and an enemy of Russia. You never sell excellent weapons to an enemy even an export model.
That is looking at it in an extremely limited view.
The Turks could easily hand over data and specs that would severely compromise the aircraft and their stealth tech. They are ways to get more than enough from one sample, sure you can't get EVERY single thing but you can get close to 90 percent of the details.
But hey if you think that's a good idea, then Let Russia sell their stealth fighter to a NATO ally, when we get our hands on all the information and we will just makes the airplanes worthless